Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
Unasked for advise: I know you know this but I have to repeat it. Be very careful when you are close to the face of a feral/barn/alley/unknown cat. I had a very small cat bite and break a finger costing me two surgeries, the possibility of losing part of the finger etc. I was at the ER and being treated within 15 minutes of the bite and seeing the wonderful surgeons at U of L's Hand Clinic in less than 24 hours so lack of attention was not an issue. No need to be afraid but be alert to sight/flight signs in the cats. You are going to be bitten and scratched. That is part of the game. And yes, I snuggle mine and still deal with ferals/strays/throw-alwaysthose little ones who need a kind word and kind hand. Again, you are doing great. Now set up a law practice dedicated to animals. : If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up What did Dr. Maier say about supplements? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up Well, I think I just never saw him drink b/c I had him only from last sat. night until monday in my bedroom with my other cats (I have two large rooms connected- so they have tons of space. All but Possum sleep in the condo- which is set up by the front window- at night). But we did keep him in a separate crate in the room until the vet visit last monday, and that vet said to isolate him, so poor kitty and his crate went to the basement. I felt horrible, but we are just currently running out of rooms. So, he was stuck down there all alone and since he wasn't with me in my room, I wasn't able to see what he does. He spent most of his time down there crying crying crying (broke my heart) and knocking over his coop cup of water and food in his desperate attempts to reach thru the crate. It was horrible, I know, but our basement doesn't have a real door- it's a folding levelor blind-like door and every cat, save for the teeny barn kittens, have made short shrift of it! Anyway, per Dr. Maier's advice- after she told me her analysis of the blood tests (she doesn't think it's FIP (she said severe dehydration will cause high protein and high globulin in the blood- also, he didn't test pos. for any corona virus, so I don't see how the conventional vet can say FIP???). She thinks it's just very very very bad malnourishment/dehydration, infection from chronic URIs setting in, stress, etc). So, I moved him into my room on Sat., per her okay and recc that it would be better for him. Since he and Possum are both special needs, slow (which incidentally makes them really good kitties b/c they don't have the energy to be bad!), both recovering from what is hopefully only malnourishment, etc., they both stay out in the room/sleep with me on the bed at night (they are both such good little boys)! So I finally saw him drink water and it's all at once, wonderful and hilarious! He drinks voraciously (as voraciously as he eats his wet food- well, he's into the crunchies too, but the wet food eating it funnier b/c he smacks him lips and gobbles and just makes all these snarfling noises while eating- and gets it all over his nose- like he never tasted anything so good!). So the water drinking is similar-- very loud, very intense, and when he looks up, he has it all over his chin and nose! So, I am no longer concerned about water drinking. I add a lot of water to his wet food too and he doesn't seem to mind. He's not dehydrated anymore either. He still looks like an old man cat to me tho- which is sad because he's only 6 months. Sigh. He looks like what my 19 yo Rambo looked like his last year of life. He really bounced back after just coming to my house, getting fluids and the shot of penicillin, but he seems to have leveled off now. We'll see...I really hope it's not dry FIP. I just can't go through that. Tackling this malnourishment and weakened state has been hard
Prayers Please
Hi everybody Unfortunately I've returned fo rno so good reasons. Xmas day my Buddy (4.5years) cams down sick. She would hardly eat and was hiding most of day. she seemed to want to lick food but was too sore to swallow so she couldn't bear it - and she was gulping like when we have a sore throat. The first day she hadn't hit me round the face and nuzzled up to me in the morning for breakfast and cuddles. Got her to the vet on Thursday as soon as they reopened after xmas and boxing day. Her temperature was 105 and vet thought it was a throat infection and gave her the antibiotic injection - I'd prefer that if possible to avoid her being stressed about getting tablets in her. By saturaday she was no better and still not eaten and hardly drank much so panic set in. Took her back and saw a different vet who thought it was a calicibirus flare up cos her gums had inflammed - so we syringe fed her 15ml of Hills AD with some metacam for cats. I syringe fed her a bit more at home and repeated this again Sunday. Meanwhile I'd been to the sanctuary where I got her from and said I need help with the vet so their vet saw her yesterday - her temp was still 105 and still not eating. Syringe feeding is stressful for her but she just about tolerates 20ml feed. He gave her synolux antibiotic so now on tablets anyway so am doing that when I feed her. SHe switched into an unhappy poorly girl and now fed up being messed about feeding and going to vets. If no better tomorrow then she'll have bloods done to see if her FIV has progressed. She seems to have lost interest in food completely now and I don't know what else to do. I'm tried so many different foods to stimulate her with smell and although syringe feeding her AD is necessary at the moment it's stressing her more and I don't want to her to get scared of food. She will come of hiding now and stay out for a while but often I have to coax her out - she looks so tiny and lethargic - desperately nedd her temperture to come back down. She's is only 4 and this was so rapid I didn't it coming - poor girl is depressed. My FeLV girl Minstrel knows too and is obviously concerned about her. Any suggestions and prayers welcome cos I'm in bits at moment. Fortunately I've been off work this last week but supposed to be back in tomorrow and don't want to go at all. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble xxx
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I'm so sorry to hear about your Buddy. Have you tried low dose oral interferon? Dont know, might help though - especially since it might be easy to give (syringe) orally and the contact with the throat tissue might be good (again don't know here, just a thought! Prayers and good wishes going out for her. Gloria On Jan 1, 2008, at 9:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody Unfortunately I've returned fo rno so good reasons. Xmas day my Buddy (4.5years) cams down sick. She would hardly eat and was hiding most of day. she seemed to want to lick food but was too sore to swallow so she couldn't bear it - and she was gulping like when we have a sore throat. The first day she hadn't hit me round the face and nuzzled up to me in the morning for breakfast and cuddles. Got her to the vet on Thursday as soon as they reopened after xmas and boxing day. Her temperature was 105 and vet thought it was a throat infection and gave her the antibiotic injection - I'd prefer that if possible to avoid her being stressed about getting tablets in her. By saturaday she was no better and still not eaten and hardly drank much so panic set in. Took her back and saw a different vet who thought it was a calicibirus flare up cos her gums had inflammed - so we syringe fed her 15ml of Hills AD with some metacam for cats. I syringe fed her a bit more at home and repeated this again Sunday. Meanwhile I'd been to the sanctuary where I got her from and said I need help with the vet so their vet saw her yesterday - her temp was still 105 and still not eating. Syringe feeding is stressful for her but she just about tolerates 20ml feed. He gave her synolux antibiotic so now on tablets anyway so am doing that when I feed her. SHe switched into an unhappy poorly girl and now fed up being messed about feeding and going to vets. If no better tomorrow then she'll have bloods done to see if her FIV has progressed. She seems to have lost interest in food completely now and I don't know what else to do. I'm tried so many different foods to stimulate her with smell and although syringe feeding her AD is necessary at the moment it's stressing her more and I don't want to her to get scared of food. She will come of hiding now and stay out for a while but often I have to coax her out - she looks so tiny and lethargic - desperately nedd her temperture to come back down. She's is only 4 and this was so rapid I didn't it coming - poor girl is depressed. My FeLV girl Minstrel knows too and is obviously concerned about her. Any suggestions and prayers welcome cos I'm in bits at moment. Fortunately I've been off work this last week but supposed to be back in tomorrow and don't want to go at all. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble xxx
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Prayers just offered. Can you get her to an internal medicine specialist? Sounds like infection? Is her throat swollen? Is she licking her lips? (nausea). So sorry to hear this. Keep looking for answers! Important to keep her eating (see yahoo group feline assisted feeding for more info about this). Kitties can go into liver failure within 48 hours of not eating normal amount of food. I think I've read that kitties with FIV are susceptible to mouth issues. Blessings, Laurie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: Prayers Please Hi everybody Unfortunately I've returned fo rno so good reasons. Xmas day my Buddy (4.5years) cams down sick. She would hardly eat and was hiding most of day. she seemed to want to lick food but was too sore to swallow so she couldn't bear it - and she was gulping like when we have a sore throat. The first day she hadn't hit me round the face and nuzzled up to me in the morning for breakfast and cuddles. Got her to the vet on Thursday as soon as they reopened after xmas and boxing day. Her temperature was 105 and vet thought it was a throat infection and gave her the antibiotic injection - I'd prefer that if possible to avoid her being stressed about getting tablets in her. By saturaday she was no better and still not eaten and hardly drank much so panic set in. Took her back and saw a different vet who thought it was a calicibirus flare up cos her gums had inflammed - so we syringe fed her 15ml of Hills AD with some metacam for cats. I syringe fed her a bit more at home and repeated this again Sunday. Meanwhile I'd been to the sanctuary where I got her from and said I need help with the vet so their vet saw her yesterday - her temp was still 105 and still not eating. Syringe feeding is stressful for her but she just about tolerates 20ml feed. He gave her synolux antibiotic so now on tablets anyway so am doing that when I feed her. SHe switched into an unhappy poorly girl and now fed up being messed about feeding and going to vets. If no better tomorrow then she'll have bloods done to see if her FIV has progressed. She seems to have lost interest in food completely now and I don't know what else to do. I'm tried so many different foods to stimulate her with smell and although syringe feeding her AD is necessary at the moment it's stressing her more and I don't want to her to get scared of food. She will come of hiding now and stay out for a while but often I have to coax her out - she looks so tiny and lethargic - desperately nedd her temperture to come back down. She's is only 4 and this was so rapid I didn't it coming - poor girl is depressed. My FeLV girl Minstrel knows too and is obviously concerned about her. Any suggestions and prayers welcome cos I'm in bits at moment. Fortunately I've been off work this last week but supposed to be back in tomorrow and don't want to go at all. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble xxx
Buddy
I have been pushing sanctuary to help fund interferon but they try to hold off it cos of the cost as the omega in UK is expensive. That's why I went to stamp my feet and demand they help cos they tell you to act fast and say they help with vets and then don't allow you to look after the animal properly by with holding drugs. Annoying but I understand the cost issue when they have so many animals to share it around. She does lick her lips sometimes so will mention that tomorrow - probably worth getting her kidney function tested anyway. Need her temperature down fast cos that would put anyone off food. I'll keep trying and update after vets tomorrow xxx Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble xxx
Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
(oh, it's been a long year already... i know what you MEANT, marylyn, but i have this image in my head of all these cats and dogs lining up at caroline's door, as CLIENTS. really, she SWORE she was spayed! well, yeah, i DID bite him, but you would have too!. and them paying her in rawhide bones and enormous bags of primo catnip) MC On Jan 1, 2008 8:12 AM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unasked for advise: I know you know this but I have to repeat it. Be very careful when you are close to the face of a feral/barn/alley/unknown cat. I had a very small cat bite and break a finger costing me two surgeries, the possibility of losing part of the finger etc. I was at the ER and being treated within 15 minutes of the bite and seeing the wonderful surgeons at U of L's Hand Clinic in less than 24 hours so lack of attention was not an issue. No need to be afraid but be alert to sight/flight signs in the cats. You are going to be bitten and scratched. That is part of the game. And yes, I snuggle mine and still deal with ferals/strays/throw-alwaysthose little ones who need a kind word and kind hand. Again, you are doing great. Now set up a law practice dedicated to animals. : If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2007 6:56 PM *Subject:* Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up What did Dr. Maier say about supplements? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2007 6:45 PM *Subject:* RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up Well, I think I just never saw him drink b/c I had him only from last sat. night until monday in my bedroom with my other cats (I have two large rooms connected- so they have tons of space. All but Possum sleep in the condo- which is set up by the front window- at night). But we did keep him in a separate crate in the room until the vet visit last monday, and that vet said to isolate him, so poor kitty and his crate went to the basement. I felt horrible, but we are just currently running out of rooms. So, he was stuck down there all alone and since he wasn't with me in my room, I wasn't able to see what he does. He spent most of his time down there crying crying crying (broke my heart) and knocking over his coop cup of water and food in his desperate attempts to reach thru the crate. It was horrible, I know, but our basement doesn't have a real door- it's a folding levelor blind-like door and every cat, save for the teeny barn kittens, have made short shrift of it! Anyway, per Dr. Maier's advice- after she told me her analysis of the blood tests (she doesn't think it's FIP (she said severe dehydration will cause high protein and high globulin in the blood- also, he didn't test pos. for any corona virus, so I don't see how the conventional vet can say FIP???). She thinks it's just very very very bad malnourishment/dehydration, infection from chronic URIs setting in, stress, etc). So, I moved him into my room on Sat., per her okay and recc that it would be better for him. Since he and Possum are both special needs, slow (which incidentally makes them really good kitties b/c they don't have the energy to be bad!), both recovering from what is hopefully only malnourishment, etc., they both stay out in the room/sleep with me on the bed at night (they are both such good little boys)! So I finally saw him drink water and it's all at once, wonderful and hilarious! He drinks voraciously (as voraciously as he eats his wet food- well, he's into the crunchies too, but the wet food eating it funnier b/c he smacks him lips and gobbles and just makes all these snarfling noises while eating- and gets it all over his nose- like he never tasted anything so good!). So the water drinking is similar-- very loud, very intense, and when he looks up, he has it all over his chin and nose! So, I am no longer concerned about water drinking. I add a lot of water to his wet food too and he doesn't seem to mind. He's not dehydrated anymore either. He still looks
Re: Prayers Please
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Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
aw, sounds like you're exactly what this little one needed to help bring him around! to answer your question about how/why a conventional vet could even consider FIP in a cat who doesn't have a positive FeCoV titre, two options: 1) the titre is useless, as has been mentioned before, as it reflects EXPOSURE to the virus--numbers vary on how long it takes the average cat to process the virus out and stop shedding, so a cat who has mutated the virus into FIP after a stressor may have exposed quite awhile before and thus be negative. while i cat with a very high titres, and no other indicators, may just have been hanging out with a lot of kitties who are shedding the virus. so if all the other symptoms of FIP are there, a titre just doesn't matter 2) the titre is useless, but too many vets just don't get that yet. and antech labs, who SWEAR that their test can differentiate between the strains of FeCoV and therefore it DOES test for FIP rather than the virus push that VERY HARD. they do not mention that no outside researchers have been able to replicate their results, and no one actually working in FIP believes there is, yet, a way to predict which strain will mutate. there is a really simple test -- and cheap -- that any vet can do in their office, with grocery-store ingredients. right now i can't remember (anything) the name of the test, which i'd never heard of before; also, the IFA, so well-known to us from dealing with FeLV, is now being used to help diagnose FIP. again, i don't remember the details--but they are in the petsmart charities program on FIP that i've mentioned before. (i'm in the middle of some major legal stuff of my own right now, and as my friends on the list know, i'm barely answering mail)--so i can't go digging for the link right now. (instead, i'm digging through 5 hard drives for old emails, IMs and chat logs from 2000 on!) MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
Or lots of mice, nice juicy mice. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up (oh, it's been a long year already... i know what you MEANT, marylyn, but i have this image in my head of all these cats and dogs lining up at caroline's door, as CLIENTS. really, she SWORE she was spayed! well, yeah, i DID bite him, but you would have too!. and them paying her in rawhide bones and enormous bags of primo catnip) MC On Jan 1, 2008 8:12 AM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unasked for advise: I know you know this but I have to repeat it. Be very careful when you are close to the face of a feral/barn/alley/unknown cat. I had a very small cat bite and break a finger costing me two surgeries, the possibility of losing part of the finger etc. I was at the ER and being treated within 15 minutes of the bite and seeing the wonderful surgeons at U of L's Hand Clinic in less than 24 hours so lack of attention was not an issue. No need to be afraid but be alert to sight/flight signs in the cats. You are going to be bitten and scratched. That is part of the game. And yes, I snuggle mine and still deal with ferals/strays/throw-alwaysthose little ones who need a kind word and kind hand. Again, you are doing great. Now set up a law practice dedicated to animals. : If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up What did Dr. Maier say about supplements? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up Well, I think I just never saw him drink b/c I had him only from last sat. night until monday in my bedroom with my other cats (I have two large rooms connected- so they have tons of space. All but Possum sleep in the condo- which is set up by the front window- at night). But we did keep him in a separate crate in the room until the vet visit last monday, and that vet said to isolate him, so poor kitty and his crate went to the basement. I felt horrible, but we are just currently running out of rooms. So, he was stuck down there all alone and since he wasn't with me in my room, I wasn't able to see what he does. He spent most of his time down there crying crying crying (broke my heart) and knocking over his coop cup of water and food in his desperate attempts to reach thru the crate. It was horrible, I know, but our basement doesn't have a real door- it's a folding levelor blind-like door and every cat, save for the teeny barn kittens, have made short shrift of it! Anyway, per Dr. Maier's advice- after she told me her analysis of the blood tests (she doesn't think it's FIP (she said severe dehydration will cause high protein and high globulin in the blood- also, he didn't test pos. for any corona virus, so I don't see how the conventional vet can say FIP???). She thinks it's just very very very bad malnourishment/dehydration, infection from chronic URIs setting in, stress, etc). So, I moved him into my room on Sat., per her okay and recc that it would be better for him. Since he and Possum are both special needs, slow (which incidentally makes them really good kitties b/c they don't have the energy to be bad!), both recovering from what is hopefully only malnourishment, etc., they both stay out in the room/sleep with me on the bed at night (they are both such good
OT Vick
On the news tonight they said half of Michael Vick's seized dogs are being transferred to Best Friends in Utah. I think that is great new for these dogs. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
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I don't know. I used to be a fan of BF, but due to some actions on their part regarding me, I'm not so much anymore. Hopefully the dogs will be taken care of though. On Jan 1, 2008 10:03 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the news tonight they said half of Michael Vick's seized dogs are being transferred to Best Friends in Utah. I think that is great new for these dogs. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
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Kelley Sorry..I did not know. I think the dogs will be ok with them. Sally On Jan 1, 2008 11:06 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know. I used to be a fan of BF, but due to some actions on their part regarding me, I'm not so much anymore. Hopefully the dogs will be taken care of though. On Jan 1, 2008 10:03 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the news tonight they said half of Michael Vick's seized dogs are being transferred to Best Friends in Utah. I think that is great new for these dogs. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
