Re: [Felvtalk] Is this a real legit cure for feline leukemia?
Clear Day We're not participating in any official clinical trial, but we have decided to use LTCI on our Romeo. We've tried other treatments to raise his platelet and RBCs, but nothing has worked. We're going to start out with 3 doses, then run a blood test to see if any improvements can be seen. He received his first dose this past Friday. My vet has a colleague that's used LTCI and has had promising results. We're hopeful, but also know that Romeo's time with us may be very limited. Just a little background on Romeo, he's a beautiful orange and white Maine Coone that appeared at our house in the country about 8 years ago. Romeo remained a reliable fixture at our place for the first couple years with us. He was always waiting for me in the morning to bring him his breakfast and always waiting for his supper when I came home from work. About two years after his arrival, Romeo up and disppeared. We figured that he'd met his demise. About a week later, Romeo came home. He gingerly walked up to me and right away I knew something was wrong. Our vet hospital confirmed the worst. Romeo had most likely been hit by a car. His pelvis was shattered and his left hip socket was in pieces. Because of the substantial injuries, surgery was not an option for the little man. His fate was in his own hands. Our vet recommended keeping him in a very inclosed area for 6-8 weeks and see how well he healed up on his own. Then we could make a final determination as to his fate. In order to do that, we'd have to take him into our home. We tested Romeo for FeLV/FIV and found him to be negative. We believed he was safe to bring him into our home, where we already had 4 cats. Long story short, Romeo healed up beautifully! We had him neutered, gave him all his shots, and allowed him to stay in the house with us. However, due to the way his pelvis healed, Romeo would need to use a kitty laxative for the remainder of his life. Occassionally he was also have a low dose of Metacam for the arthritis he later developed in his back. Flash forward to 2010. I took Romeo in to have his teeth cleaned. Because he's at least 7 years old, our vet requires cats to have their blood tested prior to anesthia. It was a shock when I received a call from them to find Romeo was anemic. Further blood tests revealed that he was FeLV positive. We can only assume that Romeo had been positive the whole time and that the virus was hiding out somewhere within him. He still went outside occassionally for little walks, but he'd received the FeLV vaccine on a regular basis just in case he would come into contact with another stray. Living in the country, there are plenty of stray cats wandering through. Since Romeo tested postivie for the virus, we off course had to test our other fur babies. Sissy, our 16+ kitty tested positive. We were already treating her for renal failure so we're not sure if that's a result of her age or because of the FeLV. Fortunately, our other two girls, Alexandra and Jezzebelle, tested negative! We have no idea why they both came up negative but we're very, VERY thankful! We also lost another little lady March of last year. Sophie passed away after becoming very ill with AIHA (autoimmune hemolytic anemia). We don't know if there was a possibility that she would also have tested positive for FeLV. Sophie was only 6 when she passed away. Sorry to drone on about our kids, but we love them all dearly and are doing what we can to help them. Sissy and Romeo are both on Interferon, 7 days on, 7 days off. We know the LTCI may not work, but at least it's something. Having lost one of our fur babies just over a year ago, then having Sissy diagnosed with renal failure last fall, and now a double whammy with the FeLV is really taking it's toll on our emotions . . . at least mine. Romeo never gave up on us all those years ago and struggled to make his way home with a shattered pelvis. He knew we'd help him. I can't give up on now. If the LTCI truly works, then great! But if not, then I guess the final chapter has been written for Romeo. Diane Re: [Felvtalk] Is this a real legit cure for feline leukemia? Message-ID: p2i810264f51005071053g4c7b5f3ezc23b427c3d56e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LCTI has been around for quite awhile, and still hasn't produced the hoped-for results. it's imulan's marketing and testing behaviors that i object to, NOT the product. as you say, the basic mechanism SHOULD work. which makes it even more disturbing that Imulan ended the clinical trials that were ongoing when they purchased the product--if what is needed is more investigation, then do trials that will provide usable information to the entire veterinary field--don't make grandious promises, and charge a great deal of money just to raise people's hopes. and don't know if you've seen the protocol for the 4-week trials they were doing
Re: [Felvtalk] Is this a real legit cure for feline leukemia?
best of luck--it makes a lot more sense to work with symptoms than without, then claim that a continued lack of symptoms proves the product. (here, let me sell you my special shampoo: none of your asymptomatic cats will get sick if you use it! really.) i would LOVE for LCTI to work.. MC On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:37 AM, ladydi...@frontiernet.net wrote: Clear Day We're not participating in any official clinical trial, but we have decided to use LTCI on our Romeo. We've tried other treatments to raise his platelet and RBCs, but nothing has worked. We're going to start out with 3 doses, then run a blood test to see if any improvements can be seen. He received his first dose this past Friday. My vet has a colleague that's used LTCI and has had promising results. We're hopeful, but also know that Romeo's time with us may be very limited. Just a little background on Romeo, he's a beautiful orange and white Maine Coone that appeared at our house in the country about 8 years ago. Romeo remained a reliable fixture at our place for the first couple years with us. He was always waiting for me in the morning to bring him his breakfast and always waiting for his supper when I came home from work. About two years after his arrival, Romeo up and disppeared. We figured that he'd met his demise. About a week later, Romeo came home. He gingerly walked up to me and right away I knew something was wrong. Our vet hospital confirmed the worst. Romeo had most likely been hit by a car. His pelvis was shattered and his left hip socket was in pieces. Because of the substantial injuries, surgery was not an option for the little man. His fate was in his own hands. Our vet recommended keeping him in a very inclosed area for 6-8 weeks and see how well he healed up on his own. Then we could make a final determination as to his fate. In order to do that, we'd have to take him into our home. We tested Romeo for FeLV/FIV and found him to be negative. We believed he was safe to bring him into our home, where we already had 4 cats. Long story short, Romeo healed up beautifully! We had him neutered, gave him all his shots, and allowed him to stay in the house with us. However, due to the way his pelvis healed, Romeo would need to use a kitty laxative for the remainder of his life. Occassionally he was also have a low dose of Metacam for the arthritis he later developed in his back. Flash forward to 2010. I took Romeo in to have his teeth cleaned. Because he's at least 7 years old, our vet requires cats to have their blood tested prior to anesthia. It was a shock when I received a call from them to find Romeo was anemic. Further blood tests revealed that he was FeLV positive. We can only assume that Romeo had been positive the whole time and that the virus was hiding out somewhere within him. He still went outside occassionally for little walks, but he'd received the FeLV vaccine on a regular basis just in case he would come into contact with another stray. Living in the country, there are plenty of stray cats wandering through. Since Romeo tested postivie for the virus, we off course had to test our other fur babies. Sissy, our 16+ kitty tested positive. We were already treating her for renal failure so we're not sure if that's a result of her age or because of the FeLV. Fortunately, our other two girls, Alexandra and Jezzebelle, tested negative! We have no idea why they both came up negative but we're very, VERY thankful! We also lost another little lady March of last year. Sophie passed away after becoming very ill with AIHA (autoimmune hemolytic anemia). We don't know if there was a possibility that she would also have tested positive for FeLV. Sophie was only 6 when she passed away. Sorry to drone on about our kids, but we love them all dearly and are doing what we can to help them. Sissy and Romeo are both on Interferon, 7 days on, 7 days off. We know the LTCI may not work, but at least it's something. Having lost one of our fur babies just over a year ago, then having Sissy diagnosed with renal failure last fall, and now a double whammy with the FeLV is really taking it's toll on our emotions . . . at least mine. Romeo never gave up on us all those years ago and struggled to make his way home with a shattered pelvis. He knew we'd help him. I can't give up on now. If the LTCI truly works, then great! But if not, then I guess the final chapter has been written for Romeo. Diane Re: [Felvtalk] Is this a real legit cure for feline leukemia? Message-ID: p2i810264f51005071053g4c7b5f3ezc23b427c3d56e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LCTI has been around for quite awhile, and still hasn't produced the hoped-for results. it's imulan's marketing and testing behaviors that i object to, NOT the product. as you say, the basic mechanism SHOULD work. which makes it even more disturbing that Imulan ended the clinical
[Felvtalk] Is this a real legit cure for feline leukemia?
Thanks. I will definitely let everyone here know if LTCI works for Romeo. If it does work, then it may prove to be a treatment option. Claiming it works on asymptomatic cats is really a joke. We have no idea how long Romeo has been FeLV positive. We're assuming he has been since he moved into our house several years ago. It was his own immune system that kept the virus in check. No Immulan or LTCI was used. I really do hope the LTCI works for our little man, but we're also remaining realistic to the fact that it may not work. Attempting it, however, also allows our vet to know whether or not she can recommend the drug to other clients with FeLV + fur babies. Diane best of luck--it makes a lot more sense to work with symptoms than without, then claim that a continued lack of symptoms proves the product. (here, let me sell you my special shampoo: none of your asymptomatic cats will get sick if you use it! really.) i would LOVE for LCTI to work.. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Impressive and interesting. On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:53 AM, jbero tds.net wrote: Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Donate to FuRR! Help 20 cats in Heber Springs! http://teamfurr.chipin.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Am a bit confused--were the subject cats tested for FIV or FELV prior to the treatment? The symptoms described could be either condition but could also be a host of other issues. How old were the cats? If kittens, then even a pos test for FIV could just be caused by the mom cat being FIV+. And neither condition is AIDS as in human. FIV is NOT Aids just like FELV is NOT leukemia. -Original Message- From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Sent: May 10, 2010 11:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv Impressive and interesting. On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:53 AM, jbero tds.net wrote: Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Donate to FuRR! Help 20 cats in Heber Springs! http://teamfurr.chipin.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
