Re: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA
From what I've found light pos is either an error on the part of the tech or a bad test. The IFA is a much more conclusive test. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Thank you so much - this is a great group, as always, and I really appreciate the replies. This is my take, re your comment Natalie. With FIV, the snap test is for antibodies in the blood. Kittens of an FIV mom, when they are nursing, can take in the mothers FIV antibodies. It's different for FELV, the test is for Antigens, and apparently the transmission of the virus is not the same. Kittens of an FIV mom are very likely to get the antigens but not the virus, depending on when mom was infected. Our rescue has seen this happen many times - kittens of an FIV mom invariably go negative before they're a year old - yeaa! With FELV, as I recall its different, I think (but not sure) that some of the kittens can actually get the virus from mom, but can throw it off as their immune systems develop. This is just on memory, so if somebody knows, please correct me. So I'm gather that perhaps the antigens hadn't cleared yet at the time of the snap, and Linda seemed to agree with that. Anyhow, this is a 1.5 yr old cat, so the question is, with a light pos on Elisa snap test, and a negative on the followup IFA test, what does it mean? MC responded and said it could also be a bad snap test. Or bad procedures for testing. Also asked at what interval were the tests done? So I'm going to check out exactly when the tests were done and what brand were the tests and who did them. But what I'm also hearing, is if neg on the followup IFA, then kitty is neg regardless of the snap. Yes? I've been asked to take this kitty, so am exploring my options. I know if he's FELV it's unlikely he'll get adopted so he'll be a permanent resident. I already have several FELV cats, and have no fear of the virus, even mixed with healthy cats, vaccinated or not, but just have to be prepared for adding another cat. My FELV's are healthy too, I haven't lost one in a while, and I'm amazed at that. But I know, if he's not FELV, he'll get adopted in a month cause he's so gorgeous! So trying to make sense of the data to tell if he's actually FELV or not. Again thanks I appreciate your help and support. This is a wonderful group, always has been, a great resource. I'll check more into the tests that were used on Bicford and let you know. Gloria On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Natalie wrote: Whenever this happened to me with kittens that were tested for FIV, I was told that they had most likely been born to FIV+ mothers and as their immune systems developed, they would shed the faint positives.and they ALWAYS did! I don't know if that's the case with FeLV. I have two young adult cats that are FeLV+, but absolutely no symptoms and healthy as a horse! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:30 PM To: Feline Leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA I've been asked about a cat here in Arkansas - a Persian named Bicford, that is about 1.5 yrs old, and tested faint positive on the snap test (Elisa), but negative on the IFA. I gather that means that Bicford has been exposed, so has antigens, but doesn't have the virus in his blood? I'm confused. Can someone help me with interpreting what that means? Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA
Got it - thanks Kelley! Gloria On Sep 2, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: From what I've found light pos is either an error on the part of the tech or a bad test. The IFA is a much more conclusive test. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Thank you so much - this is a great group, as always, and I really appreciate the replies. This is my take, re your comment Natalie. With FIV, the snap test is for antibodies in the blood. Kittens of an FIV mom, when they are nursing, can take in the mothers FIV antibodies. It's different for FELV, the test is for Antigens, and apparently the transmission of the virus is not the same. Kittens of an FIV mom are very likely to get the antigens but not the virus, depending on when mom was infected. Our rescue has seen this happen many times - kittens of an FIV mom invariably go negative before they're a year old - yeaa! With FELV, as I recall its different, I think (but not sure) that some of the kittens can actually get the virus from mom, but can throw it off as their immune systems develop. This is just on memory, so if somebody knows, please correct me. So I'm gather that perhaps the antigens hadn't cleared yet at the time of the snap, and Linda seemed to agree with that. Anyhow, this is a 1.5 yr old cat, so the question is, with a light pos on Elisa snap test, and a negative on the followup IFA test, what does it mean? MC responded and said it could also be a bad snap test. Or bad procedures for testing. Also asked at what interval were the tests done? So I'm going to check out exactly when the tests were done and what brand were the tests and who did them. But what I'm also hearing, is if neg on the followup IFA, then kitty is neg regardless of the snap. Yes? I've been asked to take this kitty, so am exploring my options. I know if he's FELV it's unlikely he'll get adopted so he'll be a permanent resident. I already have several FELV cats, and have no fear of the virus, even mixed with healthy cats, vaccinated or not, but just have to be prepared for adding another cat. My FELV's are healthy too, I haven't lost one in a while, and I'm amazed at that. But I know, if he's not FELV, he'll get adopted in a month cause he's so gorgeous! So trying to make sense of the data to tell if he's actually FELV or not. Again thanks I appreciate your help and support. This is a wonderful group, always has been, a great resource. I'll check more into the tests that were used on Bicford and let you know. Gloria On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Natalie wrote: Whenever this happened to me with kittens that were tested for FIV, I was told that they had most likely been born to FIV+ mothers and as their immune systems developed, they would shed the faint positives.and they ALWAYS did! I don't know if that's the case with FeLV. I have two young adult cats that are FeLV+, but absolutely no symptoms and healthy as a horse! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:30 PM To: Feline Leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA I've been asked about a cat here in Arkansas - a Persian named Bicford, that is about 1.5 yrs old, and tested faint positive on the snap test (Elisa), but negative on the IFA. I gather that means that Bicford has been exposed, so has antigens, but doesn't have the virus in his blood? I'm confused. Can someone help me with interpreting what that means? Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] two IAMS recall notices; small, but?.
here's the first one, dated august 29, 2010: http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm224352.htm and here's the second one, dated august 31, 2010 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm224675.htm MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS
Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He was thirteen. I'd had him for three years. He was always a gentleman a loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong; he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed, we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess was drained again he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with me. I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling well. If I had, he might still be alive today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS
Oh Laura.I'm so sorry you've lost this precious boy. Please don't blame yourself. He's known such love and he loved you enough to eat and purr and purr when you were with him. We will light a candle in Tiger's honor tonightand in yours. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He was thirteen. I'd had him for three years. He was always a gentleman a loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong; he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed, we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess was drained again he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with me. I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling well. If I had, he might still be alive today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 5419 (20100902) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS
A candle will burn in Richmond, VA for Tiger. Tiger didn't blame you, you cant blame yourself. They are so good at hiding their sickness. It is hard to notice when they don't have physical symptoms. He knows he was loved! On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:57 PM, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He was thirteen. I'd had him for three years. He was always a gentleman a loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong; he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed, we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess was drained again he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with me. I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling well. If I had, he might still be alive today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS
GLOW to light his path and ease your heart. Don't beat yourself up; our little loves hide weakness and sickness incredibly well. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 3:57:14 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He was thirteen. I'd had him for three years. He was always a gentleman a loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong; he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed, we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess was drained again he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with me. I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling well. If I had, he might still be alive today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS
I was saddened to read about Tiger. It is hard to know when they are sick. We do what we can. He knows he was loved and that is what is important. He will live forever in your memory. Sharyl --- On Thu, 9/2/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 4:57 PM Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He was thirteen. I'd had him for three years. He was always a gentleman a loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong; he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed, we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess was drained again he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with me. I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling well. If I had, he might still be alive today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS
So sorry Laura. Please don't blame yourself. We've all had times when in hindsight we think there were things we should have seen. If they would only just sit up let us know, it would be so much easier. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 9/2/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 4:57 PM Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He was thirteen. I'd had him for three years. He was always a gentleman a loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong; he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed, we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess was drained again he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with me. I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling well. If I had, he might still be alive today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS
Laura, hugs to you and sweet Bridge vibes to Tiger. It's very sad, but as others are saying oftimes we don't realize things are wrong until they can't be fixed. It's too bad that cats aren't whiny like, you know, men. ;) We could help so many more of them if they'd let us. Tiger sounds like a wonderful boy and you've been a wonderful mom for those 3 years. Once I happened to call a friend just after she had gotten one of those dreaded vet calls. It was horrible. We cried on the phone together. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He was thirteen. I'd had him for three years. He was always a gentleman a loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong; he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed, we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess was drained again he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with me. I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling well. If I had, he might still be alive today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS
Laura, Sorry to hear about Tiger. I can relate to what you are feeling. I lost a cat quickly about a year ago. He showed no signs of illness for the longest time. By the time he was sick enough for me to notice, it was too late to save him. I'll never know why he crashed so hard or so quickly. I think he had hemobart and was anemic and I had just switched to yearly blood work as opposed to every 6 months so I missed it. I beat myself up over losing him and wish I had seen the signs. Sorry for the long story. Just wanted to say that now that time has passed, I realize that I loved him and I did the best I could. He wouldn't have expected anything more than that. Tiger was so lucky to have you. He was loved and cared for and that is what matters. Sorry he left you too soon. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
