Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV testing protocols
I had a single kitten with ringworm so bad that she even lost her whiskers and we called her PJ for Piranha Jane because all she did was bite bite bite bite ;) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 23:30:56 -0400 From: maxgoodb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV testing protocols Hi Georgetta, Yup, I understand how bitey an unsocialized singleton can be! My arms were SO scratched up from my first positive that lived in quarantine from 6-12 weeks. Others here may have better references, but I found one article that says that the time between infection and testing positive is normally 2-8 weeks. If funds allowed, perhaps one snap test when the litters are combined, and another prior to adoption? May not be practical or affordable for a real rescue, I've just done my private little rescues and kept more (10 total, 2 now deceased) than I've managed to adopt out (7). I'll see what other references I can find in the morning... Good night, Beth N. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: OdoBan
Thanks, y'all! -Original Message- From: Cougar Clan [mailto:maima...@duo-county.com] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 4:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: OdoBan I use it on oak and pine floors and have had no problem. On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:15 PM, POTT, BEVERLY wrote: Is it ok for hardwood floors? -Original Message- From: Cougar Clan [mailto:maima...@duo-county.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: OdoBan There is a milky gallon bottle at Sams that is a concentrate for about $10. There is a spray bottle (not concentrate) at some WalMarts. I am sure the other is fine but probably over priced. On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Natalie wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV testing protocols
Georgetta, Here are more links that I could find on when to test, somewhat contradictory. Since the Elisa looks for antigens, not antibodies, you can test as young as you like without worrying about maternal antibodies interfering. But, since the virus needs some time to incubate (I'm seeing anywhere from 2-9 weeks mentioned) the earlier you test, the greater a risk you run of getting a false negative. Maybe decide based on risk factors, quarantining those from colonies with a history of positives, those from hoarders, the runts, and sickies as long as possible, and quickly socializing those born to indoor only cats in small number homes (oops litters, or the I just wanted the kids to see the miracle of birth babies)? Most cats are adopted out as negative on the basis of just one test, and most adopters don't retest, so there are probably a lot of positives slipping through already anyway. Beth http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/FeLV_Web.pdf “Vaccination for FeLV does not affect test results since the tests are for viral antigens, not antibodies. Kittens can be tested at any age because maternal immunity does not interfere with testing.” http://www.cpvh.com/Articles/17.html “Diagnosis is made by clinical signs and a positive blood test. Testing is recommended for kittens at least 8-9 weeks of age, all stray cats, and ill cats. Because of the incubation period and also the cat’s ability to fight off the disease, it is recommended to perform two tests at least two months apart. A new kitten or stray cat could be incubating FeLV, and if tested too early in the disease, will receive a false negative result on the test.” http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/iyer/index.php “Viremia is usually evident 2-4 weeks after FeLV infection.” http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html Chart for testing protocols which recommends final testing be done 90 days post exposure, if possible. Also gives different protocols based on known versus unknown exposure history. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
So sorry about your sweet baby Cheshire. You did the right thing she knew you loved her. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 5:41 PM My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
It was good you were with her. Of cause she blinked at you.But, we all have a time to go. I know what you feel. Regards,Cathy --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 6:28 PM So sorry about your sweet baby Cheshire. You did the right thing she knew you loved her. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 5:41 PM My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
Claudia, I'm so sorry for your loss. You have done everything you can to restore her health and to make her as comfortable as you could. Sometimes, we just have to take comfort in that, even though your heart aches terribly from your loss. You didn't do anything to hasten her transition, and she surely is thankful for your love and devotion. Bless you for caring so much. We will light a candle in Southern California tonight in her memory...also for your healing. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Claudia Veiga Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 5484 (20100927) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
You did what you thought was the right thing for Cheshire and that is what counts. With multiple problems is is hard to get them stable enough for effective treatments. I've had cats get super stressed out going to the vet and others that don't mind at all. If you hadn't tried to help her you would always question yourself wondering if there was something else you could have done. At least now you know you did everything possible to help her. In the end we love them, care for them and let them go. She knew you were trying to help her and you were there for her. That is what really counts. Sharyl --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 5:41 PM My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
I am so sorry for your loss - I just had to euthanize one of our cats last weekit never gets easier, as some people who don't understand seem to think! I remember every cat, dog, bird, mouse we ever haddetailed circumstances, etc. - like a video going off in my mind! Natalie I Am Always With Her And God asked the feline spirit, Are you ready to come home? Oh, yes, quite so, replied the precious soul, And, as a cat, you know I am most able to decide anything for myself. Are you coming then? asked God. Soon, replied the whiskered angel, But I must come slowly, for my human friend is troubled For, you see, she needs me, quite certainly. But doesn't she understand? asked God, That you'll never leave her? That your souls are intertwined. For all eternity? That nothing is created or destroyed? It just isforever and ever and ever. Eventually she will understand, replied the glorious cat, For I will whisper into her heart that I am always with her, I just amforever and ever and ever. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Claudia Veiga Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
i think we all questions what we did or did or did not do. i keep asking myself what i missed that might have saved Bob's life. was he giving me signals that i just did not pick up on. all we can do is learn from each experience. i am sure Cheshire and Bob know and understood. they knew they were loved of that i am sure. Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote: My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV testing protocols
i did not try to bring in my ferals until they had accepted me. i have a cat house on the deck for them to sleep in andi put out food until they don't run and then i start holding food in my hand and letting them approach me. at first they snatch and run, but eventually they learn to trust and let me scratch their chin. from then on, they are mine. it usually takes about 6 - 8 months. then i bring them in and when they are at ease, we go to the vet. Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Georgetta, Yup, I understand how bitey an unsocialized singleton can be! My arms were SO scratched up from my first positive that lived in quarantine from 6-12 weeks. Others here may have better references, but I found one article that says that the time between infection and testing positive is normally 2-8 weeks. If funds allowed, perhaps one snap test when the litters are combined, and another prior to adoption? May not be practical or affordable for a real rescue, I've just done my private little rescues and kept more (10 total, 2 now deceased) than I've managed to adopt out (7). I'll see what other references I can find in the morning... Good night, Beth N. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
Tiger (non FeLV) also had an abcess on his throat. It was drained but came back so fast. And his white blood cell count dropped so dramatically in two weeks that my vet thought he had leukemia, also. They had never seen anything like it. I also kept asking myself if there was anything I could have done, or anything I should have noticed. Then I realized that his infection came on so very quickly and with such strength that there probably wasn't a thing that could be done about it. Still, I have felt guilty for a month. He died overnight at the vet. I wanted the best for him, but I wish I could have been with him so he didn't have to die alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
My heart hurts for you Claudia. God bless you for your efforts for Cheshire. Don't beat yourself up over they way things happened at the end. You loved her, and that's all that she needed to know. Nothing else matters. Prayers for you and all who knew and loved Cheshire. Mike :) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
THIS IS FOR PAOLA I THINK - SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE AT MY HOUSE ITH THE IN AND OUT, INSIDE ALWAYS AND THE COMPLAINERS WHO DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. FUN ISN'T IT. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Thank you - will look next time we go. We get the litter at WalMart and sometimes at Sam's Club if the other doesn't have it. I will Google it tomorrow. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts. I can't say enough good about it. I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning. It is safe and fairly inexpensive. Google it ... the number of uses and products it can replace is amazing. On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote: I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been hyped...doesn't work so well. I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals. I've tried spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot longer. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia It works great and so does OdoBan. On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote: hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Melinda, I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me. 2 of them if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's adopted the patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc... Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks like a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's going and if I call him back. There is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then took him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it and that was the
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
It also makes a big difference WHERE the abscess is located. If it's higher up and isn't able to drain on its own, chances of infections are much greater and more serious than if it were located on the side or underneath where it CAN drain on its own. I had one cat years ago that was bitten by another cat on top of her neck...she had to have a drain, which we had to flush out every day. I always hate it when a cat dies at the vet's overnight...I worry about how they felt, were they afraid, all alone, etc. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over Tiger (non FeLV) also had an abcess on his throat. It was drained but came back so fast. And his white blood cell count dropped so dramatically in two weeks that my vet thought he had leukemia, also. They had never seen anything like it. I also kept asking myself if there was anything I could have done, or anything I should have noticed. Then I realized that his infection came on so very quickly and with such strength that there probably wasn't a thing that could be done about it. Still, I have felt guilty for a month. He died overnight at the vet. I wanted the best for him, but I wish I could have been with him so he didn't have to die alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
Claudia How kind you were to try and save your kitty. Sometimes there really isn't anything we can do. You love for Cheshire was probably the greatest gift and most comforting thing you could give her. Deepest condolences, and prayers of love and light for Cheshire in her crossing. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:41 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
