Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
hey Joslin - glad you brought that up - I did do this, and the shelters that don't have FeLVs gave their vets my number. thanks for mentioning this. --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:35 AM Call around to your local vets and have them take your name and number, that way the ignorant people whom think death is the only way to help a FeLV cat have another option... you... From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 1:25:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... there are places for FeLV cats. you just have to look real hard for them. most, like us try and keep a low profile so we can keep numbers to a minimum. that way the cats, that others wanted to kill, get the love and attention they deserve. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
well said, Michael. that is what I found. It took some investigating to uncover them :) --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:25 AM there are places for FeLV cats. you just have to look real hard for them. most, like us try and keep a low profile so we can keep numbers to a minimum. that way the cats, that others wanted to kill, get the love and attention they deserve. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
I did check out one nearby that has raving reviews - it was awful, I wouldn't bring a cockroach there! I'm sure there are, Michael, but as you said, maybe we just don't know about them. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance Meows Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 1:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... there are places for FeLV cats. you just have to look real hard for them. most, like us try and keep a low profile so we can keep numbers to a minimum. that way the cats, that others wanted to kill, get the love and attention they deserve. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
that's so awesome, Joslin! My vet is young and open minded - the clinic onwers of the place she is at always 'suggests' that FIV and FeLV kitties be put down. Because we have both, and have gone through learning experiences with these kitties, she no longer suggests this to clients. Same with the staff there. We are in a position to change minds. When people chat with me in the waiting room and ask about our cute cat, I always work it in that he's FIV and that we have a FeLV too. I remember when I was uneducated about this and thought there were no options because that is what I had been told by 'experts', and my mind was changed. Shannon --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:20 AM Natalie, My vet is the same way, when we found out about Zoey I about had a emotional breakdown, she gave me a hug and said it was not a death sentence, just a different way of living. He has been symptom free since he got sick we found out, they are more than wonderful too as far as constant check ups and good care. ~Joz Zoey~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 10:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
Shannon, you had spoken about having 2 cats you might need help placing, get back to me and we can talk. i might be able to help Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 9:41:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... that's so awesome, Joslin! My vet is young and open minded - the clinic onwers of the place she is at always 'suggests' that FIV and FeLV kitties be put down. Because we have both, and have gone through learning experiences with these kitties, she no longer suggests this to clients. Same with the staff there. We are in a position to change minds. When people chat with me in the waiting room and ask about our cute cat, I always work it in that he's FIV and that we have a FeLV too. I remember when I was uneducated about this and thought there were no options because that is what I had been told by 'experts', and my mind was changed. Shannon --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:20 AM Natalie, My vet is the same way, when we found out about Zoey I about had a emotional breakdown, she gave me a hug and said it was not a death sentence, just a different way of living. He has been symptom free since he got sick we found out, they are more than wonderful too as far as constant check ups and good care. ~Joz Zoey~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 10:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
Sometimes it's not fair to state that Natalie. There are people who really love their Felv+ cat(s) and just want the best for them AND for their other Felv negative cats. Not everybody has the space to keep healthy and 'sick' cats separate and try to find different solutions so everybody will be happy in the end. Unfortunately that's often hard to find. It is also not fair to stick the Felv+ cat in a separate room or a cage for the rest of their lives! When I found out Oreo had Felv and still had hope for her, I tried to find somebody who already had a Felv + kitty. That would have been the best for everybody. Unfortunately the disease turned for the worse in no time and it turned out I didn't have to make a decision. It was already made for me :-( I still have to test all 6 (+ found kitten who is in bathroom isolation) cats tested for their second round, after losing Oreo. I have night mares about one or more being + this time (after being neg the first go around). My cats (and my horses and dogs) are my everything! 2011/1/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] cat testing + for feline AIDS
Hi, Czadna -- Thanks for caring for, and about, this little girl. I can't offer any direct advice about treatment of this current crisis, but it sounds like you're doing all the right things. The good news is that if you can get her past this respiratory thing, FIV positive cats are generally easier to care for than FeLV+ cats. The FIV (not Feline AIDS by the way -- the major similarity between human and feline immune-deficiency is the suppressed immune system, and FIV acts and is treated differently from AIDS -- I mention this because people do still go crazy when you say AIDS). FIV is not easily transmitted (much like FeLV) and an asymptomatic FIV kitty may live long and healthily. Obviously the respiratory problem is not to be taken lightly, it's just this sort of stuff that the immune deficiency makes so much worse. Vibes that you can get Laura Jean through it and that she can get all the way healthy again despite her FIV status. Best of luck! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:39 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] cat testing + for feline AIDS Laura Jean came to my patio on Thanksgiving Day with bulging flanks, goopy eyes and respiration issues. Rescue friends offered antibiotics. She tested positive for feline AIDS at a vet. SHE IS SWEET!!. I cannot afford imaging and lab work , . . . Like many of us my plate contains enough for 2 people with my feline leukemia family, . hey live elsewhere than my apartment.. . She was treated for tape and round worms which really helped a lot. Vet prescribed azithromycin. We had used amoxicillin and cephalexin. She has not been real responsive to antibiotics for her breathing. Quite unresponsive actually. I started her back on them today, Saturday. She had been isolated in the bedroom of my one bedroom apartment and has been pulling her hair out since she arrived. This week her bowel movements are mostly hair. Humidty helps her breathing a lot. She has a good appetite. I put her in a big cage in the other area of the apartment thinking that maybe the hair pulling was anxiety.. I tried to position so she cannot rub noses with the other cats. It has been really calm. She has been flea treated. Flea combing finds nothing. There are 2 6 month-old kittens plus an adult female in the main part of the apartment. One kitten has not been tested or vaccinated for FIV/leukemia.. P.S. Sunday a.m. she did not pull fur out all day but when I put her back in cage in bedroom for night she took a big chunk of fur into her mouth. a rough night. up taking a shower to help her breathing. a couple hours later gave her homemade chicken broth. abdomen was really tight. bowels did move well later - - this time cooked sweet potato which she had devoured in preference to her other food. breathing sounds damp - - sneezes after give antibiotic.she is not a candidate for euthanasia at this time. eyes not running. no strings of mucus when give antibiotic. thinking back to vet tomorrow. Any comments will be appreciated. Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] cat testing + for feline AIDS
I highly recommend you join the excellent yahoo group FIV health science - it's a wealth of info, and helped me with my FIV boy. It's very active, with case history, files, etc. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fiv-healthscience/ thank you for caring for this baby. Shannon --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat testing + for feline AIDS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 1:00 PM Hi, Czadna -- Thanks for caring for, and about, this little girl. I can't offer any direct advice about treatment of this current crisis, but it sounds like you're doing all the right things. The good news is that if you can get her past this respiratory thing, FIV positive cats are generally easier to care for than FeLV+ cats. The FIV (not Feline AIDS by the way -- the major similarity between human and feline immune-deficiency is the suppressed immune system, and FIV acts and is treated differently from AIDS -- I mention this because people do still go crazy when you say AIDS). FIV is not easily transmitted (much like FeLV) and an asymptomatic FIV kitty may live long and healthily. Obviously the respiratory problem is not to be taken lightly, it's just this sort of stuff that the immune deficiency makes so much worse. Vibes that you can get Laura Jean through it and that she can get all the way healthy again despite her FIV status. Best of luck! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:39 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] cat testing + for feline AIDS Laura Jean came to my patio on Thanksgiving Day with bulging flanks, goopy eyes and respiration issues. Rescue friends offered antibiotics. She tested positive for feline AIDS at a vet. SHE IS SWEET!!. I cannot afford imaging and lab work , . . . Like many of us my plate contains enough for 2 people with my feline leukemia family, . hey live elsewhere than my apartment.. . She was treated for tape and round worms which really helped a lot. Vet prescribed azithromycin. We had used amoxicillin and cephalexin. She has not been real responsive to antibiotics for her breathing. Quite unresponsive actually. I started her back on them today, Saturday. She had been isolated in the bedroom of my one bedroom apartment and has been pulling her hair out since she arrived. This week her bowel movements are mostly hair. Humidty helps her breathing a lot. She has a good appetite. I put her in a big cage in the other area of the apartment thinking that maybe the hair pulling was anxiety.. I tried to position so she cannot rub noses with the other cats. It has been really calm. She has been flea treated. Flea combing finds nothing. There are 2 6 month-old kittens plus an adult female in the main part of the apartment. One kitten has not been tested or vaccinated for FIV/leukemia.. P.S. Sunday a.m. she did not pull fur out all day but when I put her back in cage in bedroom for night she took a big chunk of fur into her mouth. a rough night. up taking a shower to help her breathing. a couple hours later gave her homemade chicken broth. abdomen was really tight. bowels did move well later - - this time cooked sweet potato which she had devoured in preference to her other food. breathing sounds damp - - sneezes after give antibiotic. she is not a candidate for euthanasia at this time. eyes not running. no strings of mucus when give antibiotic. thinking back to vet tomorrow. Any comments will be appreciated. Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
Peggy, I believe that you misunderstood what I wrote. I wasn't talking about any of us who do rescue or have multiple cat households and therefore may not have separate places for sick cats - I always had a space for FIV, but not for FeLV until three years ago, not by choice, but due to necessity because if I didn't take them, who would? I wasn't talking about people who love their FeLV+ or FIV+ cats...I'm talking about the ones who just want to be rid of them - death or abandonment! Those are the ones who call me; I don't hear from the ones who keep their sick cats (except members of this group). When I talk about people who don't want their own positive cats (almost always the ONLY cat they have in the house) - why shouldn't I expect them to take care of a FeLV+ cats, instead of either killing or giving them up to shelters for others to care for them. Our FIV+ cats have a room of their own, and the two FeLV+ cats have a large condo that we built for them - I don't keep any cats in cages except for recuperation and/or introduction purposes. Even after doing this for 18 1/2 yrs now, I still cannot get used to people who aren't' more loyal to their sick cats! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Sometimes it's not fair to state that Natalie. There are people who really love their Felv+ cat(s) and just want the best for them AND for their other Felv negative cats. Not everybody has the space to keep healthy and 'sick' cats separate and try to find different solutions so everybody will be happy in the end. Unfortunately that's often hard to find. It is also not fair to stick the Felv+ cat in a separate room or a cage for the rest of their lives! When I found out Oreo had Felv and still had hope for her, I tried to find somebody who already had a Felv + kitty. That would have been the best for everybody. Unfortunately the disease turned for the worse in no time and it turned out I didn't have to make a decision. It was already made for me :-( I still have to test all 6 (+ found kitten who is in bathroom isolation) cats tested for their second round, after losing Oreo. I have night mares about one or more being + this time (after being neg the first go around). My cats (and my horses and dogs) are my everything! 2011/1/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an
Re: [Felvtalk] cat testing + for feline AIDS
I think you're on the right track and a vet visit is definitely called for in this case - for something to ease her breathing. Our FIV+ cats have always lived a very long and healthy life; a much easier disease than FeLV, which is rather new to me. I only had a small kitten that died from it about 14 years ago and the two very healthy adults right now. If you can help it, do NOT vaccinate for FIV because should a vaccinated cat ever be lost, found, tested - it would show up as positive. My vet often suggests childrens' nasal decongestant drops like Neosynephrineif it's not in the chest. I would highly recommend giving all your positive cats CoQ10 daily in their food. GNC has a Vegetarian formula that is powder in capsules instead of the oil (not easy to use). It keep our FIV/FeLV positive cats really healthy, especially the gum and teeth. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 1:39 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] cat testing + for feline AIDS Laura Jean came to my patio on Thanksgiving Day with bulging flanks, goopy eyes and respiration issues. Rescue friends offered antibiotics. She tested positive for feline AIDS at a vet. SHE IS SWEET!!. I cannot afford imaging and lab work , . . . Like many of us my plate contains enough for 2 people with my feline leukemia family, . hey live elsewhere than my apartment.. . She was treated for tape and round worms which really helped a lot. Vet prescribed azithromycin. We had used amoxicillin and cephalexin. She has not been real responsive to antibiotics for her breathing. Quite unresponsive actually. I started her back on them today, Saturday. She had been isolated in the bedroom of my one bedroom apartment and has been pulling her hair out since she arrived. This week her bowel movements are mostly hair. Humidty helps her breathing a lot. She has a good appetite. I put her in a big cage in the other area of the apartment thinking that maybe the hair pulling was anxiety.. I tried to position so she cannot rub noses with the other cats. It has been really calm. She has been flea treated. Flea combing finds nothing. There are 2 6 month-old kittens plus an adult female in the main part of the apartment. One kitten has not been tested or vaccinated for FIV/leukemia.. P.S. Sunday a.m. she did not pull fur out all day but when I put her back in cage in bedroom for night she took a big chunk of fur into her mouth. a rough night. up taking a shower to help her breathing. a couple hours later gave her homemade chicken broth. abdomen was really tight. bowels did move well later - - this time cooked sweet potato which she had devoured in preference to her other food. breathing sounds damp - - sneezes after give antibiotic.she is not a candidate for euthanasia at this time. eyes not running. no strings of mucus when give antibiotic. thinking back to vet tomorrow. Any comments will be appreciated. Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
Shannon, I agree with you on the uneducated part in the beginning... I had always been asked if I wanted to vaccinate my cats but knowing little and never knowing anyone with a (+) I figured it would never happen to us, and even thou it has it has been a blessing... i realized just how precious he is to me, and just how much cleaner i need to keep things not only for him but the whole famly as well I know sooner or later our time will be up with him, but at least he not only taught us something but... we gave him everything we had. ~Joz Zoey~ To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:20 AM Natalie, My vet is the same way, when we found out about Zoey I about had a emotional breakdown, she gave me a hug and said it was not a death sentence, just a different way of living. He has been symptom free since he got sick we found out, they are more than wonderful too as far as constant check ups and good care. ~Joz Zoey~ Join us on Catster: http://www.catster.com/cats/1044145 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
