Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
[Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer included below] I've got an FIV+ cat (Pasha) on the cocktail and can answer this. The stomatitis cocktail was developed by the late Dr. Bob Wiggs at his clinic (Dallas Animal Dental) in Dallas. The actual mix of ingredients is proprietary so nobody other than its makers actually know its components and their proportions, but it is basically a holistic mix of non-steroidal, non-controlled substances. I first heard about it from a Yahoo Group dedicated to feline stomatitis (http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Stomatitis/) where a number of people have reported positive results from its use. I am attaching a fact sheet about the cocktail, which was created by one the members of that Yahoo Group. Dr. Wiggs passed away last year and my understanding is that while his estate is sorted out, the cocktail's availability will be somewhat limited as the rights to the proprietary mix haven't been completely settled. I think that it was his wish to see the cocktail made more readily available to help cats suffering from stomatitis and so presumably it will eventually be easier to obtain and perhaps might even be produced locally rather than centrally in Dallas. Time will tell on that one. I was informed that the formulation for FIV+ cats is slightly different than for FIV-negative cats. Pasha, an 8-year old lifelong FIV+ cat with caudal stomatitis and tongue ulcers so horrendously bad that his vet looks at me knowingly while fingering the bottle of euthasol every time I bring him in, has been on it for about six weeks. I've been taking pictures of his mouth to monitor the progress. I can't really say it's had any positive impact, unfortunately. Initially, it seemed like it was helping - after about 2 weeks the inflammation had been reduced and his tongue looked better. But at 3 weeks both came back with a vengeance and he looks awful. His appetite has been a little better nonetheless, but he's not gained any weight. His most recent labs also weren't all that encouraging. I'm going to keep at it since I've exhausted pretty much all of the other treatment options. This doesn't mean it doesn't work; it just means that it doesn't work on 100% of cats. Other people with FIV+ cats on the Stomatitis group have made favorable reports. The cocktail costs around $45/month, and the clinic does require that bloodwork be periodically reported so there are other ongoing costs you could expect to incur as well. When I get around to it, I'll upload some pictures to show what I'm talking about. - Ben From: joel kehler joelkeh...@yahoo.com To: fiv-healthscie...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [fiv-healthscience] Two updates: Daphne and Scrappy I would be interested to know of what the stomatitis cocktail consists, if /when you know. Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer 1 of 1 File(s) Information on the Stomatitis Cocktail.pdf __._,_.___ On 9/7/2011 11:02 AM, Marcia wrote: Now Fletch has thick gooey looking saliva. He can't eat because his mouth now hurts. His fever is gone though. WhT to do. Calling vet today. Is there any treatment for this mouth issue? Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com mailto:molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: You can give baby aspirin like every other day or 72 hours or something like that for just a few days though. /I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn'tthe pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. -- Mark Twain/ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:44:05 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net mailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch Same here! *From:*felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Edna Taylor *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:59 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch It has always been my understanding that you should never give asprin to cats: *Aspirin Side Effects* Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: * Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers * Upset stomach http://www.vetinfo.com/best-cat-upset-stomach-remedy.html * Vomiting * Diarrhea * Blood coagulation delays * Lack of appetite http://www.vetinfo.com/causes-cat-appetite-loss.html Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo http://www.vetinfo.com/can-you-give-a-cat-aspirin.html#ixzz1XBGiC9jc
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
Joel because this product, the cocktail, is going to be patented (I am assuming) the dental vet will not disclose exactly what is in it but gives generic information. It is supposed to have vitamins, a low dose antibiotic, a probiotic, an acid reducer like a prilosec or something similar, and an immune modulator and not sure what else. I will give you the name and number of the place. The medication is given by 1cc daily by mouth and contains no steroids. Daphne has been off of steroids and his last dose was Depomedrol 20mg on 7/11/11. He was diagnosed with diabetes due to the steroids but has since returned to normal. This cocktail is ok for diabetic kitties too. The dental veterenary (sp) clinic is located at 12600 Coit Road in Dallas, Texas 75251 with a telephone number of 972-385-8400. How we came about this my vet called someone about using or trying naltrexone by mouth for the stomatitis. They recommended trying the cocktail which was made up by a doctoral student. The cost of the medication is around $50/month but the labs that must be monitored is what gets kind of expensive. Need original labs with C BC etc and for me was about $85 or so. Then after treatment begins labs are checked at 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 8 weeks, then a few months etc. FIV kitties get a lower dose. As far as I know it is just called the Dental Veterinarian clinic. Ok I just found what the stuff is called right now. It is called LPS JS-827 Syrup and it states services were by Deb Schaffer. Hope this can help someone!! On 9/7/2011 1:37 PM, Tad Burnett wrote: [Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer included below] I've got an FIV+ cat (Pasha) on the cocktail and can answer this. The stomatitis cocktail was developed by the late Dr. Bob Wiggs at his clinic (Dallas Animal Dental) in Dallas. The actual mix of ingredients is proprietary so nobody other than its makers actually know its components and their proportions, but it is basically a holistic mix of non-steroidal, non-controlled substances. I first heard about it from a Yahoo Group dedicated to feline stomatitis (http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Stomatitis/) where a number of people have reported positive results from its use. I am attaching a fact sheet about the cocktail, which was created by one the members of that Yahoo Group. Dr. Wiggs passed away last year and my understanding is that while his estate is sorted out, the cocktail's availability will be somewhat limited as the rights to the proprietary mix haven't been completely settled. I think that it was his wish to see the cocktail made more readily available to help cats suffering from stomatitis and so presumably it will eventually be easier to obtain and perhaps might even be produced locally rather than centrally in Dallas. Time will tell on that one. I was informed that the formulation for FIV+ cats is slightly different than for FIV-negative cats. Pasha, an 8-year old lifelong FIV+ cat with caudal stomatitis and tongue ulcers so horrendously bad that his vet looks at me knowingly while fingering the bottle of euthasol every time I bring him in, has been on it for about six weeks. I've been taking pictures of his mouth to monitor the progress. I can't really say it's had any positive impact, unfortunately. Initially, it seemed like it was helping - after about 2 weeks the inflammation had been reduced and his tongue looked better. But at 3 weeks both came back with a vengeance and he looks awful. His appetite has been a little better nonetheless, but he's not gained any weight. His most recent labs also weren't all that encouraging. I'm going to keep at it since I've exhausted pretty much all of the other treatment options. This doesn't mean it doesn't work; it just means that it doesn't work on 100% of cats. Other people with FIV+ cats on the Stomatitis group have made favorable reports. The cocktail costs around $45/month, and the clinic does require that bloodwork be periodically reported so there are other ongoing costs you could expect to incur as well. When I get around to it, I'll upload some pictures to show what I'm talking about. - Ben From: joel kehler joelkeh...@yahoo.com To: fiv-healthscie...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [fiv-healthscience] Two updates: Daphne and Scrappy I would be interested to know of what the stomatitis cocktail consists, if /when you know. Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer 1 of 1 File(s) Information on the Stomatitis Cocktail.pdf __._,_.___ On 9/7/2011 11:02 AM, Marcia wrote: Now Fletch has thick gooey looking saliva. He can't eat because his mouth now hurts. His fever is gone though. WhT to do. Calling vet today. Is there any treatment for this mouth issue? Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com mailto:molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: You can give baby aspirin like every
Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
The virus isn't airborne. it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but they r with my other cats. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
Same here. When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was in 2001. Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented. I've mixed mine with my others for several years, no problem. All mine are altered and sit around and eat and sleep. Some of what I've learned is1) they may live a long time, may not, 2) they're not that contagious, 3) double positives (FIV/FELV) don't live as long,4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die at 2.5-3 yrs old, 5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a try. Oh yeah, and always questions your vets advice :) Gloria On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: The virus isn't airborne. it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but they r with my other cats. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
I agree. I mixed positives and negatives since 2001 and never had a problem. Just as long as your negatives are vaccinated, they should be fine. I see no need to segregate them. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lanemailto:gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Same here. When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was in 2001. Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented. I've mixed mine with my others for several years, no problem. All mine are altered and sit around and eat and sleep. Some of what I've learned is1) they may live a long time, may not, 2) they're not that contagious, 3) double positives (FIV/FELV) don't live as long,4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die at 2.5-3 yrs old, 5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a try. Oh yeah, and always questions your vets advice :) Gloria On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: The virus isn't airborne. it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but they r with my other cats. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.commailto:venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc388.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Dot, if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see no reason why you shouldn't mix them. Like I've said before, I've mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: dot winklermailto:venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot -- From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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this is what I found off the internet. I didn't hear that about making threw the 5 phases, because there is a 6 when the disease takes over. I know she's lonely sometimes because she loved being part of the family. She was accepted by all the other cats. I'm torn between trying to find her another cat with FELV or hoping she gets used to being by herself. Spicy actually named herself. We were driving home from the shelter and I wanted to name the other cat we adopted Spicy because she's orange. Well Spicy kept answering to the name. Now Spicy is black and I never thought of naming a black cat Spicy, but she had other ideas. I like the name Chloe we had a cat for 14 years named Chloe, she had to be pts when her kidney's shutdown. The disease has a wide range of effects. The cat can fight off the infection and become totally immune, can become a healthy carrier that never gets sick itself but can infect other cats, or a mid-level case in which the cat has a compromised immune system.[citation needed] Nevertheless, the development of lymphomas is considered the final stage of the disease. Although it is thought that virus protein has to be present to induce lymphomas in cats, newer evidence shows that a high percentage of FeLV-Antigen negative lymphomas contain FeLV-DNA, indicating a hit-and-run mechanism of virus induced tumor development.[1] Once the virus has entered the cat, there are six phases to a FeLV infection: * Phase One: The virus enters the cat, usually through the pharynx where it infects the epithelial cells and infects the tonsorial B-lymphocytes and macrophages. These white blood cells then filter down to the lymph nodes and begin to replicate. * Phase Two: The virus enters the blood stream and begins to distribute throughout the body. * Phase Three: The lymphoid system (which produces antibodies to attack infected and cancerous cells) becomes infected, with further distribution throughout the body. * Phase Four: The main point in the infection- where the virus can take over the body's immune system and cause viremia. During this phase the hemolymphatic system and intestines become infected. If the cat's immune system does not fight off the virus, then it goes onto: * Phase Five: The bone marrow becomes infected. At this point, the virus will stay with the cat for the rest of its life. In this phase, the virus replicates and is released four to seven days later in infected neutrophils (white blood cells), and sometimes lymphocytes, monocytes (white blood cell formed in the bone marrow), and eosinophils (another white blood cell). * Phase Six: The cat's body is overwhelmed by infection and mucosal and glandular epithelial cells (tissue that forms a thin protective layer on exposed bodily surfaces and forms the lining of internal cavities, ducts, and organs) become infected. The virus replicates in epithelial tissues including salivary glands, oropharynx, stomach, esophagus, intestines, trachea, nasopharynx, renal tubules, bladder, pancreas, alveolar ducts, and sebaceous ducts from the muzzle. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH
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Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing the cats. But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. There is still a risk and chance the others could get it. And they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever. I wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it. The other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV). I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster. I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. They only get along in two's. In other words, Chloe and Lion get along. But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial. Vice versa. Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture. I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy. I am still trying. But I'm open to ideas and input. Dotty From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Dot, if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see no reason why you shouldn't mix them. Like I've said before, I've mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: dot winkler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat,
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Hi April - wow. Good information. O.K. So maybe what I heard is incorrect. So, you are thinking of getting your cat another one to play with? But you also have other cats without the virus? I have a small house and keeping the 3 of them separated is downright crazy! It is so hectic. My husband and i have been stressed all summer since Chloe got the virus in June. I don't know how we'd ever go away - I don't know who could deal with all this. I need to find Chloe a home. How do you manage keeping them all apart? Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT this is what I found off the internet. I didn't hear that about making threw the 5 phases, because there is a 6 when the disease takes over. I know she's lonely sometimes because she loved being part of the family. She was accepted by all the other cats. I'm torn between trying to find her another cat with FELV or hoping she gets used to being by herself. Spicy actually named herself. We were driving home from the shelter and I wanted to name the other cat we adopted Spicy because she's orange. Well Spicy kept answering to the name. Now Spicy is black and I never thought of naming a black cat Spicy, but she had other ideas. I like the name Chloe we had a cat for 14 years named Chloe, she had to be pts when her kidney's shutdown. The disease has a wide range of effects. The cat can fight off the infection and become totally immune, can become a healthy carrier that never gets sick itself but can infect other cats, or a mid-level case in which the cat has a compromised immune system.[citation needed] Nevertheless, the development of lymphomas is considered the final stage of the disease. Although it is thought that virus protein has to be present to induce lymphomas in cats, newer evidence shows that a high percentage of FeLV-Antigen negative lymphomas contain FeLV-DNA, indicating a hit-and-run mechanism of virus induced tumor development.[1] Once the virus has entered the cat, there are six phases to a FeLV infection: * Phase One: The virus enters the cat, usually through the pharynx where it infects the epithelial cells and infects the tonsorial B-lymphocytes and macrophages. These white blood cells then filter down to the lymph nodes and begin to replicate. * Phase Two: The virus enters the blood stream and begins to distribute throughout the body. * Phase Three: The lymphoid system (which produces antibodies to attack infected and cancerous cells) becomes infected, with further distribution throughout the body. * Phase Four: The main point in the infection- where the virus can take over the body's immune system and cause viremia. During this phase the hemolymphatic system and intestines become infected. If the cat's immune system does not fight off the virus, then it goes onto: * Phase Five: The bone marrow becomes infected. At this point, the virus will stay with the cat for the rest of its life. In this phase, the virus replicates and is released four to seven days later in infected neutrophils (white blood cells), and sometimes lymphocytes, monocytes (white blood cell formed in the bone marrow), and eosinophils (another white blood cell). * Phase Six: The cat's body is overwhelmed by infection and mucosal and glandular epithelial cells (tissue that forms a thin protective layer on exposed bodily surfaces and forms the lining of internal cavities, ducts, and organs) become infected. The virus replicates in epithelial tissues including salivary glands, oropharynx, stomach, esophagus, intestines, trachea, nasopharynx, renal tubules, bladder, pancreas, alveolar ducts, and sebaceous ducts from the muzzle. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to
Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV/response from dotty
Hi - I don't remember if I responded to you or not! I've had so many people to talk with. it's wonderful. I think i was telling someone else that one of my other cats has the AIDS (FIV) so I am a little hesitant to mix the two cats together, the FELV one with the FIV. Because I think he is more prone to getting it than a healthy cat. Dot From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Same here. When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was in 2001. Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented. I've mixed mine with my others for several years, no problem. All mine are altered and sit around and eat and sleep. Some of what I've learned is 1) they may live a long time, may not, 2) they're not that contagious, 3) double positives (FIV/FELV) don't live as long, 4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die at 2.5-3 yrs old, 5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a try. Oh yeah, and always questions your vets advice :) Gloria On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: The virus isn't airborne. it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but they r with my other cats. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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It's certainly personal choice, I certainly understand. Like I say, I've mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to isolate Felv cats so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among vets some more flexible than others. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing the cats. But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. There is still a risk and chance the others could get it. And they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever. I wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it. The other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV). I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster. I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. They only get along in two's. In other words, Chloe and Lion get along. But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial. Vice versa. Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture. I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy. I am still trying. But I'm open to ideas and input. Dotty From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Dot, if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see no reason why you shouldn't mix them. Like I've said before, I've mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: dot winkler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple
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It was the same with my Annie. When her owner who was in hospice learned that they had found her a good home, she passed the next day. She knew her baby was safe so she could go. If I di not have a safe haven for my babies to go to, I guess I wuld just have to NOT die. If I did not know thy would be secure and safe, I would not rest in peace. I think I would be like Annie's owner was. If you cannot find her a good home, put her to sleep. Any port in a storm is not a good port, it has to be safe and secure. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: You're wonderful... Sent from my iPad On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Just an update on that little “feral” cat I took from my dear aunt’s house…. After going to Forgotten Felines for spay (already spayed), partial tail amputation and general health check, “Hemy” lived in a pen on my deck for nearly a month. I would get my upper body in the pen and we would have a ‘love fest’ of petting, purring, head-butting and cuddling. Clearly: not a feral cat. So I left the pen door open yesterday. She sniffed all around the yard, circled several times, returned to the pen to eat and sleep in her favorite bed. I called FF about finding her a home, but I think this is her home, and I’m her person. I love this little cat. I suspect she has some health issues, but I’m delighted to give her a home and in return have her friendship. By the way, my dear aunt passed away on Aug. 24. I visited her the evening before and she said then the same thing she said every time I saw her: “I’m so GLAD you have the cats.” Then she’d ask about them and I’d tell her how each one was doing and how wonderful they are. It was obviously important to her that her animals were being cared for, and I think the fact that it was me (‘in the family’ and a known cat lover) helped. I’m happy that my taking her cats made her happy and gave her a little peace in her time of transition. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have mixed neg/pos for years now as long as neg is vaccinated AND NOT a youngster. The kittens/young cats are much more susceptible and I always keep them separate until they are older and are several months past both initial vaccination and boosters. Kat On 9/7/11, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree. I mixed positives and negatives since 2001 and never had a problem. Just as long as your negatives are vaccinated, they should be fine. I see no need to segregate them. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lanemailto:gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Same here. When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was in 2001. Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented. I've mixed mine with my others for several years, no problem. All mine are altered and sit around and eat and sleep. Some of what I've learned is1) they may live a long time, may not, 2) they're not that contagious, 3) double positives (FIV/FELV) don't live as long,4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die at 2.5-3 yrs old, 5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a try. Oh yeah, and always questions your vets advice :) Gloria On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: The virus isn't airborne. it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but they r with my other cats. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.commailto:venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April
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Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives and negatives with the following caveat: 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl: FIV and FeLV 2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a waiting period before mixing. I think it is 1 month or so but others can confirm the correct incubation for the disease. 3. After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at least 6 - 7 months old before mixing. 4. I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever they are positive for) I would suggest you get input on the above from others on this site who are FAR more knowledgeable then I am but that is what I have been doing for years now and so far have had NONE of my negatives become positive for either disease. kat On 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: this is what I found off the internet. I didn't hear that about making threw the 5 phases, because there is a 6 when the disease takes over. I know she's lonely sometimes because she loved being part of the family. She was accepted by all the other cats. I'm torn between trying to find her another cat with FELV or hoping she gets used to being by herself. Spicy actually named herself. We were driving home from the shelter and I wanted to name the other cat we adopted Spicy because she's orange. Well Spicy kept answering to the name. Now Spicy is black and I never thought of naming a black cat Spicy, but she had other ideas. I like the name Chloe we had a cat for 14 years named Chloe, she had to be pts when her kidney's shutdown. The disease has a wide range of effects. The cat can fight off the infection and become totally immune, can become a healthy carrier that never gets sick itself but can infect other cats, or a mid-level case in which the cat has a compromised immune system.[citation needed] Nevertheless, the development of lymphomas is considered the final stage of the disease. Although it is thought that virus protein has to be present to induce lymphomas in cats, newer evidence shows that a high percentage of FeLV-Antigen negative lymphomas contain FeLV-DNA, indicating a hit-and-run mechanism of virus induced tumor development.[1] Once the virus has entered the cat, there are six phases to a FeLV infection: * Phase One: The virus enters the cat, usually through the pharynx where it infects the epithelial cells and infects the tonsorial B-lymphocytes and macrophages. These white blood cells then filter down to the lymph nodes and begin to replicate. * Phase Two: The virus enters the blood stream and begins to distribute throughout the body. * Phase Three: The lymphoid system (which produces antibodies to attack infected and cancerous cells) becomes infected, with further distribution throughout the body. * Phase Four: The main point in the infection- where the virus can take over the body's immune system and cause viremia. During this phase the hemolymphatic system and intestines become infected. If the cat's immune system does not fight off the virus, then it goes onto: * Phase Five: The bone marrow becomes infected. At this point, the virus will stay with the cat for the rest of its life. In this phase, the virus replicates and is released four to seven days later in infected neutrophils (white blood cells), and sometimes lymphocytes, monocytes (white blood cell formed in the bone marrow), and eosinophils (another white blood cell). * Phase Six: The cat's body is overwhelmed by infection and mucosal and glandular epithelial cells (tissue that forms a thin protective layer on exposed bodily surfaces and forms the lining of internal cavities, ducts, and organs) become infected. The virus replicates in epithelial tissues including salivary glands, oropharynx, stomach, esophagus, intestines, trachea, nasopharynx, renal tubules, bladder, pancreas, alveolar ducts, and sebaceous ducts from the muzzle. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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As it appears you really don't want to keep this cat perhaps you can let us know where you live so we can try and help? Kat On 9/7/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet. Everyone passed their physical with flying colors this year. Agai, I think giving quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I use fountains) is the key. This way, thei immune systems are operating at peak and bette able to resist infections. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: It's certainly personal choice, I certainly understand. Like I say, I've mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to isolate Felv cats so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among vets some more flexible than others. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing the cats. But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. There is still a risk and chance the others could get it. And they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever. I wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it. The other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV). I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster. I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. They only get along in two's. In other words, Chloe and Lion get along. But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial. Vice versa. Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture. I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy. I am still trying. But I'm open to ideas and input. Dotty From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Dot, if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see no reason why you shouldn't mix them. Like I've said before, I've mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: dot winkler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated.
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I need to find mine a home. I'm in Los Angeles Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 23:35:32 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply As it appears you really don't want to keep this cat perhaps you can let us know where you live so we can try and help? Kat On 9/7/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet. Everyone passed their physical with flying colors this year. Agai, I think giving quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I use fountains) is the key. This way, thei immune systems are operating at peak and bette able to resist infections. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: It's certainly personal choice, I certainly understand. Like I say, I've mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to isolate Felv cats so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among vets some more flexible than others. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing the cats. But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. There is still a risk and chance the others could get it. And they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever. I wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it. The other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV). I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster. I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. They only get along in two's. In other words, Chloe and Lion get along. But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial. Vice versa. Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture. I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy. I am still trying. But I'm open to ideas and input. Dotty From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Dot, if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see no reason why you shouldn't mix them. Like I've said before, I've mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: dot winkler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty
Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more
WHAT IF YOU THREATEN THEM WITH INSTANT DEATH, DO YOU THINK HEY WOULD LISTEN THEN? EVERYONW WHO COMES TO MY HOUUSE KNOWS TO KNOCK BEFORE THEY COME IN. I OPEN THE DOOR, NOT THEM. THEY DON'T CALL ME THE CRAZY CAT LADY FOR NOTHING. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: People don't understand and some just plain do not care, sadly. Sent from my iPad On Sep 5, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That’s exactly what I have found – they just ignore everything. I had to be a policeman, constantly running to the door when I heard it open – I was a bundle of nerves for about 8-9 months when we had an addition done to the house. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more FYI: I have left cats behind locked doors with signs and promises as to what would happen if any one let a cat outI have had people, especially construction and cleaning people, find a way to unlock the door and totally disregard what they were toldwe had to...we were watching...we caught him. The worst offenders have been people who have been compliant for months then decide they know more than I do about my cats. The more I have trusted workers the more they have endangered my critters. On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Natalie wrote: When and why was your door left open door open? If we had to leave this house, we wouldn’t allow anyone to leave doors open, should they have to work in there! I threaten workers with a penalty worse than death, should they allow any cat to get out. If doors were left open around here, believe me, they’d run out spooked….,and I’d have to track them down, some would have to be trapped - it would be a nightmare! Don’t even want to think about that. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more last week,or the week before,the same day as the earthquake in NY.I had a gas pipe break on my street . The fireman knocked on everyones door:we had to leave our homes.I didn't want to leave my cats. He said I had to get out. He also said no cats got out when the door was open. I left my house,blessed myelf,and askedGod to let me be OK,and let the house be OK:so I could take care of my furry family. I have more than 30 cats.But, anyway, I wish I was in jamies,or a gown. If yousaw the N Y firemen you would understand.SMILE --- On Mon, 9/5/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 1:35 AM Biotin? I take it myself and get it at Walmart. Same thing? On 9/4/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: True - that was my worst worry, that windows might be smashed and cats could get out.. I slept dressed that one night, because I wanted to be ready should anything happen.can you imagine being caught in an emergency in a night gown or jammies? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more Natalie I am glad you and yours are OK! I'll bet you were extra worried just because of the little lives that are in your hands. I know that when we are in a tornado warning or anything that could affect my animals, that's all I can focus on , is keeping them safe! So glad you are OK(-: Marcia On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International. It's a great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats like it mixed into their food. http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016 http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016Sh ow=ExtInfo Sho w=ExtInfo Description/Instructions/Ingredients Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A safe, economical
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
I'm so sorry! I've been reading your thread. Sad to hear he didn't make :-( RIP Fletch On Sep 7, 2011 11:02 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was loved so very much during his short life. Thanks for all your help Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
I'm so sorry Kelley, as u know it's so hard to lose our sweet kitties. Blessings. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: When you take the time to help, never blame yourself for what you did or did not do. You tried and that is morethan others did. You gave love. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Kelley So sorry for the loss of Black Tom. Each cat is special and their life counts. It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes. I hope his helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they spent together. Peace. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
