Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
I was confused about that because the "re" line said FeLV. It doesn’t matter though. I have used the medication combo on a cat from a feral colony where FIV ran rampant and killed most of the cats. When I took mine in, she was very very sick as well. She pulled through on the med combination. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Sent: October-17-18 10:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent Amani- FYI Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.❤️ Gloria -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sandy > > I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this > chatline. > > I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum: > > I would like to share what I think is very important information with others > who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. > > > "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by > other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a > few times today in response to a few of the posts. > > I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died > from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When > the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with > leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and > I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to > any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in > the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. > > This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we > were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After > being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb > very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't > believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods > in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, > gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our > unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting > better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called > back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us > there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my > surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" > and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible > liver damage associated wit > h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was > dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a > potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on > a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down > to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored > our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if > I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with > a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the > Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. > > The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him > to eat when he was so very sick. > > I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and > when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day > for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and > Doxycycline (50 mg) as well. > > I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a > science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory > medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using > this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other > situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that > it has come through more often than not. > > I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and > medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in > circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other > options and their kitten or cat will die. > > I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of > veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the > association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific > community as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising > drug. This saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean >
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
Amani- FYI Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.❤️ Gloria -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sandy > > I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this > chatline. > > I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum: > > I would like to share what I think is very important information with others > who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. > > > "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by > other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a > few times today in response to a few of the posts. > > I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died > from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When > the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with > leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and > I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to > any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in > the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. > > This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we > were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After > being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb > very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't > believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods > in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, > gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our > unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting > better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called > back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us > there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my > surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" > and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible > liver damage associated wit > h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was > dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a > potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on > a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down > to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored > our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if > I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with > a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the > Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. > > The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him > to eat when he was so very sick. > > I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and > when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day > for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and > Doxycycline (50 mg) as well. > > I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a > science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory > medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using > this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other > situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that > it has come through more often than not. > > I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and > medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in > circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other > options and their kitten or cat will die. > > I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of > veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the > association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific > community as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising > drug. This saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean > really - does it make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver > disease, when your animal is dying Wouldn't you give that option in those > circumstances, and let the pet owner understand the risks??? Personally, I > think that the risk of permanent liver damage is not a significant risk. The > information I have been able to find - buried so very deeply as to be almost > unable to be found on the Internet - points to any change in the liver > enzymes as being transitory and not representing any
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
Hi Sandy I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this chatline. I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum: I would like to share what I think is very important information with others who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a few times today in response to a few of the posts. I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage associated wit h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to eat when he was so very sick. I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and Doxycycline (50 mg) as well. I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that it has come through more often than not. I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other options and their kitten or cat will die. I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific community as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising drug. This saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean really - does it make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver disease, when your animal is dying Wouldn't you give that option in those circumstances, and let the pet owner understand the risks??? Personally, I think that the risk of permanent liver damage is not a significant risk. The information I have been able to find - buried so very deeply as to be almost unable to be found on the Internet - points to any change in the liver enzymes as being transitory and not representing any lasting liver damage. That was certainly our experience. Because Zander's condition was so dire, even when his liver enzymes started to go up, I decided to keep him on the Winstrol because I could see that his bone marrow had turned back on again and he was producing red cells ( with his reticulocyte level starting to go up
Re: [Felvtalk] URI and FIV
Hi Sandy, Very often what they have is the Herpes Virus which is VERY common in cats. They then have flareups every once in a while which manifest as an URI. You can add a supplement to their food called L-Lysine which will reduce the flareups and help with any current ones. I purchase this one from Amazon which is just a white powder I sprinkle on their food... https://www.amazon.com/Vetoquinol-Viralys-L-Lysine-Supplement-3-5oz/dp/B000FULBT4/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8=1539797038=8-1-fkmr0=vyralis+l-lysine Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URI and FIV Please don't get too freaked out about their URI's We have a lot of FIV cats at the shelter and they weather the URI's as well as the others...Yours may well too. I agree that they should have ABX if the infection has taken hold and particularly if there is green purulent exudate... If they are hard to pill a compounding pharmacy is a great idea ( always found liquids FAR easier to administer to uncooperative Kitties. thanks for your concern for these kitties... Bob > Subject: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent > Message-ID: <238687431.1.1539756882239@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help > minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? > > I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food > and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already > using? Sandy > gcm...@comcast.net > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 00:35:47 -0700 > From: Gloria To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Cc: gcm...@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent > Message-ID: <650b71e7-f77c-4084-97ae-1bc758001...@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and > suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I?m no vet, and > do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I > currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this > as only a layperson sharing?imho- you need a stronger solution as you > evaluate the risks. > So sorry you?re struggling with this, it?s hard, I know! > Gloria > > -g ?? > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: >> >> I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help >> minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? >> >> I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food >> and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already >> using? Sandy >> gcm...@comcast.net >> >> >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > -- > > Message: 4 > From: Sandy Millard To: , Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive > support urgent > Message-ID: <157934234.5.1539774293963@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"? > After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny > comfortable and make sure he eats good food. > I dread what is to come. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URI and FIV
Please don't get too freaked out about their URI's We have a lot of FIV cats at the shelter and they weather the URI's as well as the others...Yours may well too. I agree that they should have ABX if the infection has taken hold and particularly if there is green purulent exudate... If they are hard to pill a compounding pharmacy is a great idea ( always found liquids FAR easier to administer to uncooperative Kitties. thanks for your concern for these kitties... Bob Subject: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent Message-ID: <238687431.1.1539756882239@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? Sandy gcm...@comcast.net Sent from Xfinity Connect Application -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 00:35:47 -0700 From: Gloria To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: gcm...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent Message-ID: <650b71e7-f77c-4084-97ae-1bc758001...@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I?m no vet, and do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson sharing?imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. So sorry you?re struggling with this, it?s hard, I know! Gloria -g ?? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? Sandy gcm...@comcast.net Sent from Xfinity Connect Application ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Message: 4 From: Sandy Millard To: , Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent Message-ID: <157934234.5.1539774293963@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"? After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny comfortable and make sure he eats good food. I dread what is to come. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
Compounding pharmacy link-don’t have to join website to read info: https://www.pharmacist.com/frequently-asked-questions-about-pharmaceutical-compounding A compound pharmacy will prepare prescription in the dose that your vet (or doctor) prescribes —- whereas a regular pharmacy only gives you meds that are already prepared by a pharmaceutical company -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Sandy Millard wrote: > > Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"? > After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny comfortable and > make sure he eats good food. > I dread what is to come. > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > > -Original Message- > > From: gloriajh...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Cc: gcm...@comcast.net > Sent: 2018-10-17 3:37:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent > > I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest > a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have > medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats > in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson > sharing—imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. > So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️ > Gloria > > -g > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: >> >> I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the >> symptoms of upper respiratory infections? >> >> I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and >> water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? >> Sandy >> gcm...@comcast.net >> >> >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"? After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny comfortable and make sure he eats good food. I dread what is to come. Sent from Xfinity Connect Application -Original Message- From: gloriajh...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: gcm...@comcast.net Sent: 2018-10-17 3:37:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson sharing—imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️ Gloria -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: > > I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the > symptoms of upper respiratory infections? > > I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and > water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? > Sandy > gcm...@comcast.net > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson sharing—imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️ Gloria -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: > > I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the > symptoms of upper respiratory infections? > > I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and > water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? > Sandy > gcm...@comcast.net > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? Sandy gcm...@comcast.net Sent from Xfinity Connect Application___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
