Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Amani Oakley]

 are normal or abnormal.) Without the neutrophil counts 
and the percentages, I can also not tell for sure what the ratios are of the 
different types of cells. Normally for cats, I think that the numbers are 
something like 60 to 40, neutrophils to lymphocytes (I have to check this as I 
am speaking off the top of my head). Too many lymphocytes versus neutrophils 
says to me that the infection is still a significant issue and that's why I 
strongly suggest the Doxycycline to try to see if you can get a handle on this.

Platelets are still low and of concern, though again, they seem to be moving in 
the right direction.

Overall, I think there is a positive move in most of the blood work parameters 
from first sample to second sample, Sherri.

However, as you can tell, this is the reason I insisted on weekly bloodwork 
when I was dealing with my Zander. I adjusted medication according to what I 
was seeing, week to week. For me, I would want the Winstrol doubled until you 
see a more definitive budging in the red cell count and the platelets and I 
would add the Doxycycline and keep an eye on the neutrophil/lymphocyte absolute 
numbers and ratio. I would also ask for a manual assessment of the blood smear 
to describe the morphology of the lymphocytes, and to determine if there is 
platelet clumping to explain those low numbers.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: August-27-16 8:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Good morning all.
I replied last night to this but too many characters I guess. I talk too 
much...not the first time I have heard that. I will ask my vet about putting 
Bogey on that  antibiotic Amani. Thanks for telling me about it.
So these results are from 8/1/16
Original Test 8/1/16
WBC 9.33.5-16
RBC  2.15.92-9.93
HCT  13 29-48
HGB 4.0 9.3-15.9
MCV 6137-61
MCH 19.3 11-21
NRBC 7   0-1 /100 WBC
LYM5301  1200-8000
MONO5580-600
EOS 4650-1000
BASO  0.00   0.01-.26
PLT 41   200-600

>From 8/23/2016
WBC13.46   2.87-17.02
RBC  2.43 M/ul   6.65-12.2LOW
HCT15.3 % 30.3-52.3  LOW
HGB 5.3 g/dL   9.8-16.2  LOW
MCV   62.6 fl35.9-53.1 HIGH
MCH  21.8 pg  11.8-17.3  HIGH
RETIC 61.5 K/ul 3.0-50.0  HIGH
LYM7.75 K/uL0.92-6.88HIGH
MONO   1.58 K/uL0.05-0.67HIGH
EOS 0.10 K/uL   0.17-1.57 LOW
BASO  0.00 K/uL   0.01-.26   LOW
PLT 50 K/uL   151-600   LOW

If I am reading these right and I am sure I am not...her RBC is actually down  
because of the scale at the different labs.
She does have good days...and today is one. She is currently hiding behind a 
box and jumping out to scare my dogs when they walk by. I love this little 
kitten so. I hope we get many more evening like tonight.
Have a great day everyone and thanks for all the well wishes for me and  for 
Bogey.

Sherri
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Ardy Robertson]

I had forgotten about the Doxycycline also.which was part of Tigger's
treatment.

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

 

Sherri

 

I also should have mentioned the very important requirement that the vet
should put Bogie on Doxycycline as well. I always forget this. I forget
because my Zander was originally on Doxycycline and it was not helping, and
I don't think it can on its own, so I always forget the vital role it played
in Zander's recovery. While the Winstrol/prednisone is building up the body
and increasing red cell production, Doxycycline acts to inhibit RNA
replication, which is how the virus reproduces. Doxycycline is an
antibiotic, and everyone will tell you that it can't kill a virus, and it
doesn't. However, it prevents the numbers of the virus from continuing to
climb, while the body is repairing itself.

 

This is a key part of the treatment in my opinion. Otherwise, as you're
fighting to increase the red cell count and the other cell lines with the
Winstrol, the virus just keeps killing other cells. (That's how viruses
replicate - they infiltrate a cell, and commandeer it's cellular machinery,
and "force" the cell to produce millions more viruses. The cell then
explodes, or dies, releasing all these new viruses into the system. The
Doxycycline helps to interfere with this process.)

 

Sorry - I should have mentioned this before (and I have in dozens of my
posts), but, of course, the stumbling block usually is getting the Winstrol.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-26-16 5:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

 

Amani,

Thanks for all the valuable information. It actually calms me.

He has a lab in house and these were the results from this week. (I don't
have any from the prior visits to the other vet, but the new vet does)

RBC  2.43 M/ul   6.65-12.2LOW

HCT15.3 % 30.3-52.3  LOW

HGB 5.3 g/dL   9.8-16.2  LOW

MCV   62.6 fl35.9-53.1 HIGH

MCH  21.8 pg  11.8-17.3  HIGH

RETIC 61.5 K/ul 3.0-50.0  HIGH

LYM7.75 K/uL0.92-6.88HIGH

MONO   1.58 K/uL0.05-0.67HIGH

EOS 0.10 K/uL   0.17-1.57 LOW

BASO  0.00 K/uL   0.01-.26   LOW

PLT 50 K/uL   151-600   LOW

I haven't got the chance to research what all of this means. There were
several other levels on this sheet that were all within range.  Do you see
ANYTHING positive in these results? The first 6 look very bad to me.

Thanks again for writing.

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > on behalf of Amani Oakley
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> >
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 at 3:29 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> "
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

 

Sherri

 

Don't be disappointed. The key is that the haematocrit is starting to rise
and is not going down any further. Remember how few days the drug has had to
work. It is literally having to go into bone marrow and turn back on
progenitor cells in the bone marrow that have been infiltrated by the FeLV
virus, and are therefore destroyed or inactive. Also, did he do a
reticulocyte count? That should hopefully also start going up because those
are one of the immature forms of the red cells. Another is nucleated red
blood cells. At maturity, the red cells lose the nucleus (except in birds
and maybe reptiles). However, the instrument used to count the red cells
cannot differentiate a nucleated red cell from a white cell (which will have
a nucleus) so unless there is a manual count done, the automated instrument
results may count any nucleated red cells as white cells. This isn't too
critical, but it will not show you whether any of these immature red cell
forms are developing.

 

Also, while the haematocrit is important, you should also look at the
platelet count (which, I remember correctly, was low for Bogie) and the
white cell counts. I found that the Winstrol started improving all the
different cell lines, though admittedly, it appeared that the improvement
started with the red cells.

 

I am not sure I agree with your vet taking Bogie off the Winstrol though,
because it is an anabolic steroid and is literally rebuilding bone, muscle,
etc. With a debilitated cat, I think you've got to keep them o

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Good morning all.
I replied last night to this but too many characters I guess. I talk too
muchŠnot the first time I have heard that. I will ask my vet about putting
Bogey on that  antibiotic Amani. Thanks for telling me about it.
So these results are from 8/1/16
Original Test 8/1/16
WBC 9.33.5-16
RBC  2.15.92-9.93

HCT  13 29-48

HGB 4.0 9.3-15.9

MCV 6137-61

MCH 19.3 11-21

NRBC 7   0-1 /100 WBC

LYM5301  1200-8000

MONO5580-600

EOS 4650-1000

BASO  0.00   0.01-.26

PLT 41   200-600


>From 8/23/2016
WBC13.46   2.87-17.02
RBC  2.43 M/ul   6.65-12.2LOW

HCT15.3 % 30.3-52.3  LOW

HGB 5.3 g/dL   9.8-16.2  LOW

MCV   62.6 fl35.9-53.1 HIGH

MCH  21.8 pg  11.8-17.3  HIGH

RETIC 61.5 K/ul 3.0-50.0  HIGH

LYM7.75 K/uL0.92-6.88HIGH

MONO   1.58 K/uL0.05-0.67HIGH

EOS 0.10 K/uL   0.17-1.57 LOW

BASO  0.00 K/uL   0.01-.26   LOW

PLT 50 K/uL   151-600   LOW


If I am reading these right and I am sure I am notŠher RBC is actually down
because of the scale at the different labs.
She does have good daysŠand today is one. She is currently hiding behind a
box and jumping out to scare my dogs when they walk by. I love this little
kitten so. I hope we get many more evening like tonight.
Have a great day everyone and thanks for all the well wishes for me and  for
Bogey.


Sherri


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Amani Oakley]

Sherri

I also should have mentioned the very important requirement that the vet should 
put Bogie on Doxycycline as well. I always forget this. I forget because my 
Zander was originally on Doxycycline and it was not helping, and I don't think 
it can on its own, so I always forget the vital role it played in Zander's 
recovery. While the Winstrol/prednisone is building up the body and increasing 
red cell production, Doxycycline acts to inhibit RNA replication, which is how 
the virus reproduces. Doxycycline is an antibiotic, and everyone will tell you 
that it can't kill a virus, and it doesn't. However, it prevents the numbers of 
the virus from continuing to climb, while the body is repairing itself.

This is a key part of the treatment in my opinion. Otherwise, as you're 
fighting to increase the red cell count and the other cell lines with the 
Winstrol, the virus just keeps killing other cells. (That's how viruses 
replicate - they infiltrate a cell, and commandeer it's cellular machinery, and 
"force" the cell to produce millions more viruses. The cell then explodes, or 
dies, releasing all these new viruses into the system. The Doxycycline helps to 
interfere with this process.)

Sorry - I should have mentioned this before (and I have in dozens of my posts), 
but, of course, the stumbling block usually is getting the Winstrol.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: August-26-16 5:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Amani,
Thanks for all the valuable information. It actually calms me.
He has a lab in house and these were the results from this week. (I don't have 
any from the prior visits to the other vet, but the new vet does)
RBC  2.43 M/ul   6.65-12.2LOW
HCT15.3 % 30.3-52.3  LOW
HGB 5.3 g/dL   9.8-16.2  LOW
MCV   62.6 fl35.9-53.1 HIGH
MCH  21.8 pg  11.8-17.3  HIGH
RETIC 61.5 K/ul 3.0-50.0  HIGH
LYM7.75 K/uL0.92-6.88HIGH
MONO   1.58 K/uL0.05-0.67HIGH
EOS 0.10 K/uL   0.17-1.57 LOW
BASO  0.00 K/uL   0.01-.26   LOW
PLT 50 K/uL   151-600   LOW
I haven't got the chance to research what all of this means. There were several 
other levels on this sheet that were all within range.  Do you see ANYTHING 
positive in these results? The first 6 look very bad to me.
Thanks again for writing.

From: Felvtalk 
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 on behalf of Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 at 3:29 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" 
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Sherri

Don't be disappointed. The key is that the haematocrit is starting to rise and 
is not going down any further. Remember how few days the drug has had to work. 
It is literally having to go into bone marrow and turn back on progenitor cells 
in the bone marrow that have been infiltrated by the FeLV virus, and are 
therefore destroyed or inactive. Also, did he do a reticulocyte count? That 
should hopefully also start going up because those are one of the immature 
forms of the red cells. Another is nucleated red blood cells. At maturity, the 
red cells lose the nucleus (except in birds and maybe reptiles). However, the 
instrument used to count the red cells cannot differentiate a nucleated red 
cell from a white cell (which will have a nucleus) so unless there is a manual 
count done, the automated instrument results may count any nucleated red cells 
as white cells. This isn't too critical, but it will not show you whether any 
of these immature red cell forms are developing.

Also, while the haematocrit is important, you should also look at the platelet 
count (which, I remember correctly, was low for Bogie) and the white cell 
counts. I found that the Winstrol started improving all the different cell 
lines, though admittedly, it appeared that the improvement started with the red 
cells.

I am not sure I agree with your vet taking Bogie off the Winstrol though, 
because it is an anabolic steroid and is literally rebuilding bone, muscle, 
etc. With a debilitated cat, I think you've got to keep them on for a long 
while. However, your vet has been helpful and more progressive than most, so . 
. .

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: August-26-16 7:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Thanks Ardy.
We had 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[dlgegg]

Here is hope for continued good results.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Hi Sherri
> 
> Yes, I do see something positive. As I mentioned in my previous email, the 
> reticulocyte count ("retic") is a count showing immature red cells. Normally, 
> red cells are not pushed out of the bone marrow into the general circulation 
> of the blood, until they are mature, though a small percentage may be in the 
> bloodstream at all times. The presence of an elevated number of reticulocytes 
> says to me that the bone marrow is starting to create new red cells and 
> because the body is short of red cells (anemic), the bone marrow is pushing 
> out more of the red cells in their immature form, into the circulation. This 
> is the body trying to correct the anemia.
> 
> You definitely need the previous results though, to identify if you are 
> moving in the right direction on the other parameters.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: August-26-16 5:34 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
> 
> Amani,
> Thanks for all the valuable information. It actually calms me.
> He has a lab in house and these were the results from this week. (I don't 
> have any from the prior visits to the other vet, but the new vet does)
> RBC  2.43 M/ul   6.65-12.2LOW
> HCT15.3 % 30.3-52.3  LOW
> HGB 5.3 g/dL   9.8-16.2  LOW
> MCV   62.6 fl35.9-53.1 HIGH
> MCH  21.8 pg  11.8-17.3  HIGH
> RETIC 61.5 K/ul 3.0-50.0  HIGH
> LYM7.75 K/uL0.92-6.88HIGH
> MONO   1.58 K/uL0.05-0.67HIGH
> EOS 0.10 K/uL   0.17-1.57 LOW
> BASO  0.00 K/uL   0.01-.26   LOW
> PLT 50 K/uL   151-600   LOW
> I haven't got the chance to research what all of this means. There were 
> several other levels on this sheet that were all within range.  Do you see 
> ANYTHING positive in these results? The first 6 look very bad to me.
> Thanks again for writing.
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  on behalf of Amani Oakley 
> <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
> Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
> Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 at 3:29 PM
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" 
> <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
> 
> Sherri
> 
> Don't be disappointed. The key is that the haematocrit is starting to rise 
> and is not going down any further. Remember how few days the drug has had to 
> work. It is literally having to go into bone marrow and turn back on 
> progenitor cells in the bone marrow that have been infiltrated by the FeLV 
> virus, and are therefore destroyed or inactive. Also, did he do a 
> reticulocyte count? That should hopefully also start going up because those 
> are one of the immature forms of the red cells. Another is nucleated red 
> blood cells. At maturity, the red cells lose the nucleus (except in birds and 
> maybe reptiles). However, the instrument used to count the red cells cannot 
> differentiate a nucleated red cell from a white cell (which will have a 
> nucleus) so unless there is a manual count done, the automated instrument 
> results may count any nucleated red cells as white cells. This isn't too 
> critical, but it will not show you whether any of these immature red cell 
> forms are developing.
> 
> Also, while the haematocrit is important, you should also look at the 
> platelet count (which, I remember correctly, was low for Bogie) and the white 
> cell counts. I found that the Winstrol started improving all the different 
> cell lines, though admittedly, it appeared that the improvement started with 
> the red cells.
> 
> I am not sure I agree with your vet taking Bogie off the Winstrol though, 
> because it is an anabolic steroid and is literally rebuilding bone, muscle, 
> etc. With a debilitated cat, I think you've got to keep them on for a long 
> while. However, your vet has been helpful and more progressive than most, so 
> . . .
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: August-26-16 7:03 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
> 
> Thanks Ardy.
> We had Bogey

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Sherri

Yes, I do see something positive. As I mentioned in my previous email, the 
reticulocyte count ("retic") is a count showing immature red cells. Normally, 
red cells are not pushed out of the bone marrow into the general circulation of 
the blood, until they are mature, though a small percentage may be in the 
bloodstream at all times. The presence of an elevated number of reticulocytes 
says to me that the bone marrow is starting to create new red cells and because 
the body is short of red cells (anemic), the bone marrow is pushing out more of 
the red cells in their immature form, into the circulation. This is the body 
trying to correct the anemia.

You definitely need the previous results though, to identify if you are moving 
in the right direction on the other parameters.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: August-26-16 5:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Amani,
Thanks for all the valuable information. It actually calms me.
He has a lab in house and these were the results from this week. (I don't have 
any from the prior visits to the other vet, but the new vet does)
RBC  2.43 M/ul   6.65-12.2LOW
HCT15.3 % 30.3-52.3  LOW
HGB 5.3 g/dL   9.8-16.2  LOW
MCV   62.6 fl35.9-53.1 HIGH
MCH  21.8 pg  11.8-17.3  HIGH
RETIC 61.5 K/ul 3.0-50.0  HIGH
LYM7.75 K/uL0.92-6.88HIGH
MONO   1.58 K/uL0.05-0.67HIGH
EOS 0.10 K/uL   0.17-1.57 LOW
BASO  0.00 K/uL   0.01-.26   LOW
PLT 50 K/uL   151-600   LOW
I haven't got the chance to research what all of this means. There were several 
other levels on this sheet that were all within range.  Do you see ANYTHING 
positive in these results? The first 6 look very bad to me.
Thanks again for writing.

From: Felvtalk 
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 on behalf of Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 at 3:29 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" 
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Sherri

Don't be disappointed. The key is that the haematocrit is starting to rise and 
is not going down any further. Remember how few days the drug has had to work. 
It is literally having to go into bone marrow and turn back on progenitor cells 
in the bone marrow that have been infiltrated by the FeLV virus, and are 
therefore destroyed or inactive. Also, did he do a reticulocyte count? That 
should hopefully also start going up because those are one of the immature 
forms of the red cells. Another is nucleated red blood cells. At maturity, the 
red cells lose the nucleus (except in birds and maybe reptiles). However, the 
instrument used to count the red cells cannot differentiate a nucleated red 
cell from a white cell (which will have a nucleus) so unless there is a manual 
count done, the automated instrument results may count any nucleated red cells 
as white cells. This isn't too critical, but it will not show you whether any 
of these immature red cell forms are developing.

Also, while the haematocrit is important, you should also look at the platelet 
count (which, I remember correctly, was low for Bogie) and the white cell 
counts. I found that the Winstrol started improving all the different cell 
lines, though admittedly, it appeared that the improvement started with the red 
cells.

I am not sure I agree with your vet taking Bogie off the Winstrol though, 
because it is an anabolic steroid and is literally rebuilding bone, muscle, 
etc. With a debilitated cat, I think you've got to keep them on for a long 
while. However, your vet has been helpful and more progressive than most, so . 
. .

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: August-26-16 7:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Thanks Ardy.
We had Bogeys first blood test after 7 days and her HCT was only still at 15.4. 
Slight increase. She is pretty functional at this level. Still sleeping a lot. 
But eats, goes up and down stairs, bats at the dogs. The vet didn't seem 
surprised that it hadn't gone up more. It hadn't gone down. Considers her 
"stable". He doesn't want to see her for a month to test again. He wants her to 
be off of the Stanozolol for one week starting next Wed and then put her back 
on it the following week for two more.

I was a bit disappointed that her blood results were

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Amani,
Thanks for all the valuable information. It actually calms me.
He has a lab in house and these were the results from this week. (I don¹t
have any from the prior visits to the other vet, but the new vet does)
RBC  2.43 M/ul   6.65-12.2LOW
HCT15.3 % 30.3-52.3  LOW
HGB 5.3 g/dL   9.8-16.2  LOW
MCV   62.6 fl35.9-53.1 HIGH
MCH  21.8 pg  11.8-17.3  HIGH
RETIC 61.5 K/ul 3.0-50.0  HIGH
LYM7.75 K/uL0.92-6.88HIGH
MONO   1.58 K/uL0.05-0.67HIGH
EOS 0.10 K/uL   0.17-1.57 LOW
BASO  0.00 K/uL   0.01-.26   LOW
PLT 50 K/uL   151-600   LOW
I haven¹t got the chance to research what all of this means. There were
several other levels on this sheet that were all within range.  Do you see
ANYTHING positive in these results? The first 6 look very bad to me.
Thanks again for writing.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Friday, August 26, 2016 at 3:29 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Sherri
 
Don¹t be disappointed. The key is that the haematocrit is starting to rise
and is not going down any further. Remember how few days the drug has had to
work. It is literally having to go into bone marrow and turn back on
progenitor cells in the bone marrow that have been infiltrated by the FeLV
virus, and are therefore destroyed or inactive. Also, did he do a
reticulocyte count? That should hopefully also start going up because those
are one of the immature forms of the red cells. Another is nucleated red
blood cells. At maturity, the red cells lose the nucleus (except in birds
and maybe reptiles). However, the instrument used to count the red cells
cannot differentiate a nucleated red cell from a white cell (which will have
a nucleus) so unless there is a manual count done, the automated instrument
results may count any nucleated red cells as white cells. This isn¹t too
critical, but it will not show you whether any of these immature red cell
forms are developing.
 
Also, while the haematocrit is important, you should also look at the
platelet count (which, I remember correctly, was low for Bogie) and the
white cell counts. I found that the Winstrol started improving all the
different cell lines, though admittedly, it appeared that the improvement
started with the red cells.
 
I am not sure I agree with your vet taking Bogie off the Winstrol though,
because it is an anabolic steroid and is literally rebuilding bone, muscle,
etc. With a debilitated cat, I think you¹ve got to keep them on for a long
while. However, your vet has been helpful and more progressive than most, so
. . . 
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-26-16 7:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
 

Thanks Ardy.

We had Bogeys first blood test after 7 days and her HCT was only still at
15.4. Slight increase. She is pretty functional at this level. Still
sleeping a lot. But eats, goes up and down stairs, bats at the dogs. The vet
didn¹t seem surprised that it hadn¹t gone up more. It hadn¹t gone down.
Considers her ³stable². He doesn¹t want to see her for a month to test
again. He wants her to be off of the Stanozolol for one week starting next
Wed and then put her back on it the following week for two more.

 

I was a bit disappointed that her blood results weren¹t better although I
could tell just with her energy level that she hadn¹t improved much.
Hopefully she just needs more time on it for it to take hold. I wish there
was something more that I could do. I feel so helpless.

 

Thanks for writing,

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Ardy
Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:07 AM
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

 

Best wishes to you Sherri and to Bogie!! I do believe this drug combo
(Stanozolol and Prednisone) helped my Tigger also, it¹s just that I started
him on it too late. Tigger¹s bloodwork showed amazing improvement but I
believe his diagnosis was very late since he had tested negative as a
kitten, and at age 5 years they told me he had it since kittenhood but must
have been shedding the virus when tested. I sincerely hope Bogie can benefit
from this treatment since she is younger at her diagnosis. Also very happy
that you have a cooperating vet!
 

Ardy
 
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's F

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Amani Oakley]

Sherri

Don't be disappointed. The key is that the haematocrit is starting to rise and 
is not going down any further. Remember how few days the drug has had to work. 
It is literally having to go into bone marrow and turn back on progenitor cells 
in the bone marrow that have been infiltrated by the FeLV virus, and are 
therefore destroyed or inactive. Also, did he do a reticulocyte count? That 
should hopefully also start going up because those are one of the immature 
forms of the red cells. Another is nucleated red blood cells. At maturity, the 
red cells lose the nucleus (except in birds and maybe reptiles). However, the 
instrument used to count the red cells cannot differentiate a nucleated red 
cell from a white cell (which will have a nucleus) so unless there is a manual 
count done, the automated instrument results may count any nucleated red cells 
as white cells. This isn't too critical, but it will not show you whether any 
of these immature red cell forms are developing.

Also, while the haematocrit is important, you should also look at the platelet 
count (which, I remember correctly, was low for Bogie) and the white cell 
counts. I found that the Winstrol started improving all the different cell 
lines, though admittedly, it appeared that the improvement started with the red 
cells.

I am not sure I agree with your vet taking Bogie off the Winstrol though, 
because it is an anabolic steroid and is literally rebuilding bone, muscle, 
etc. With a debilitated cat, I think you've got to keep them on for a long 
while. However, your vet has been helpful and more progressive than most, so . 
. .

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: August-26-16 7:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Thanks Ardy.
We had Bogeys first blood test after 7 days and her HCT was only still at 15.4. 
Slight increase. She is pretty functional at this level. Still sleeping a lot. 
But eats, goes up and down stairs, bats at the dogs. The vet didn't seem 
surprised that it hadn't gone up more. It hadn't gone down. Considers her 
"stable". He doesn't want to see her for a month to test again. He wants her to 
be off of the Stanozolol for one week starting next Wed and then put her back 
on it the following week for two more.

I was a bit disappointed that her blood results weren't better although I could 
tell just with her energy level that she hadn't improved much. Hopefully she 
just needs more time on it for it to take hold. I wish there was something more 
that I could do. I feel so helpless.

Thanks for writing,

From: Felvtalk 
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 on behalf of Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net<mailto:ar...@centurytel.net>>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:07 AM
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Best wishes to you Sherri and to Bogie!! I do believe this drug combo 
(Stanozolol and Prednisone) helped my Tigger also, it's just that I started him 
on it too late. Tigger's bloodwork showed amazing improvement but I believe his 
diagnosis was very late since he had tested negative as a kitten, and at age 5 
years they told me he had it since kittenhood but must have been shedding the 
virus when tested. I sincerely hope Bogie can benefit from this treatment since 
she is younger at her diagnosis. Also very happy that you have a cooperating 
vet!

Ardy


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Hi Sherri

I am happy to hear of your experience so far, but like you, I held my breath 
for a very long time with Zander.

Please keep us all updated.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: August-21-16 10:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

I wanted to update everyone here about how this medication is affecting the 
health of my FELV positive 1 year old kitten.

Bogie got her diagnosis just under 3 weeks ago. The first vet I saw tried 
Prednisone and an antibiotic for 2 weeks and it did nothing for here severe 
anemia. (Her only symptom) I was told at that time that there was nothing that 
could help her and to just keep her comfortable as she dies.

Changed vets.

New vet...Was prescribed 2mg of Stanozolol once a day along with the Pred once 
a day. This morning, Bogie got her 5th dose of Stanozolol. She appears to be 
less

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[dlgegg]

Keeping this info for Annie, just in case.  

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> Best wishes to you Sherri and to Bogie!! I do believe this drug combo
> (Stanozolol and Prednisone) helped my Tigger also, it's just that I started
> him on it too late. Tigger's bloodwork showed amazing improvement but I
> believe his diagnosis was very late since he had tested negative as a
> kitten, and at age 5 years they told me he had it since kittenhood but must
> have been shedding the virus when tested. I sincerely hope Bogie can benefit
> from this treatment since she is younger at her diagnosis. Also very happy
> that you have a cooperating vet!
> 
>  
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Amani Oakley
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:30 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Sherri
> 
>  
> 
> I am happy to hear of your experience so far, but like you, I held my breath
> for a very long time with Zander.
> 
>  
> 
> Please keep us all updated.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: August-21-16 10:36 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
> 
>  
> 
> I wanted to update everyone here about how this medication is affecting the
> health of my FELV positive 1 year old kitten.
> 
>  
> 
> Bogie got her diagnosis just under 3 weeks ago. The first vet I saw tried
> Prednisone and an antibiotic for 2 weeks and it did nothing for here severe
> anemia. (Her only symptom) I was told at that time that there was nothing
> that could help her and to just keep her comfortable as she dies. 
> 
>  
> 
> Changed vets.
> 
>  
> 
> New vet.Was prescribed 2mg of Stanozolol once a day along with the Pred once
> a day. This morning, Bogie got her 5th dose of Stanozolol. She appears to be
> less anemic. Has more energy, sleeping less and more interested in playing
> and is eating and drinking well enough on her own. Her gums are slightly
> more pink as well. There hasn't been any side effects that I have seen with
> this combination. Except I have to pill her twice a day but she is getting
> used to that a little bit. 
> 
>  
> 
> I don't want to speak to soon, but I believe just from how she is acting,
> that this drug is helping my kitten make some red blood cells. She goes in
> this week for a blood test so I will know if it is actually doing that .
> Today is the happiest day we have had in the house in over a month. 
> 
>  
> 
> I will reply to this thread to keep the group posted. 
> 
>  
> 
> Wish us luck!
> 
>  
> 
> Best.
> 
> Sherri
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks Ardy.
We had Bogeys first blood test after 7 days and her HCT was only still at
15.4. Slight increase. She is pretty functional at this level. Still
sleeping a lot. But eats, goes up and down stairs, bats at the dogs. The vet
didn¹t seem surprised that it hadn¹t gone up more. It hadn¹t gone down.
Considers her ³stable². He doesn¹t want to see her for a month to test
again. He wants her to be off of the Stanozolol for one week starting next
Wed and then put her back on it the following week for two more.

I was a bit disappointed that her blood results weren¹t better although I
could tell just with her energy level that she hadn¹t improved much.
Hopefully she just needs more time on it for it to take hold. I wish there
was something more that I could do. I feel so helpless.

Thanks for writing,

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Ardy
Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:07 AM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Best wishes to you Sherri and to Bogie!! I do believe this drug combo
(Stanozolol and Prednisone) helped my Tigger also, it¹s just that I started
him on it too late. Tigger¹s bloodwork showed amazing improvement but I
believe his diagnosis was very late since he had tested negative as a
kitten, and at age 5 years they told me he had it since kittenhood but must
have been shedding the virus when tested. I sincerely hope Bogie can benefit
from this treatment since she is younger at her diagnosis. Also very happy
that you have a cooperating vet!
 

Ardy
 
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
 
Hi Sherri
 
I am happy to hear of your experience so far, but like you, I held my breath
for a very long time with Zander.
 
Please keep us all updated.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-21-16 10:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
 

I wanted to update everyone here about how this medication is affecting the
health of my FELV positive 1 year old kitten.

 

Bogie got her diagnosis just under 3 weeks ago. The first vet I saw tried
Prednisone and an antibiotic for 2 weeks and it did nothing for here severe
anemia. (Her only symptom) I was told at that time that there was nothing
that could help her and to just keep her comfortable as she dies.

 

Changed vets.

 

New vetŠWas prescribed 2mg of Stanozolol once a day along with the Pred once
a day. This morning, Bogie got her 5th dose of Stanozolol. She appears to be
less anemic. Has more energy, sleeping less and more interested in playing
and is eating and drinking well enough on her own. Her gums are slightly
more pink as well. There hasn¹t been any side effects that I have seen with
this combination. Except I have to pill her twice a day but she is getting
used to that a little bit.

 

I don¹t want to speak to soon, but I believe just from how she is acting,
that this drug is helping my kitten make some red blood cells. She goes in
this week for a blood test so I will know if it is actually doing that .
Today is the happiest day we have had in the house in over a month.

 

I will reply to this thread to keep the group posted.

 

Wish us luck!

 

Best.

Sherri
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Ardy Robertson]

Best wishes to you Sherri and to Bogie!! I do believe this drug combo
(Stanozolol and Prednisone) helped my Tigger also, it's just that I started
him on it too late. Tigger's bloodwork showed amazing improvement but I
believe his diagnosis was very late since he had tested negative as a
kitten, and at age 5 years they told me he had it since kittenhood but must
have been shedding the virus when tested. I sincerely hope Bogie can benefit
from this treatment since she is younger at her diagnosis. Also very happy
that you have a cooperating vet!

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

 

Hi Sherri

 

I am happy to hear of your experience so far, but like you, I held my breath
for a very long time with Zander.

 

Please keep us all updated.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-21-16 10:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

 

I wanted to update everyone here about how this medication is affecting the
health of my FELV positive 1 year old kitten.

 

Bogie got her diagnosis just under 3 weeks ago. The first vet I saw tried
Prednisone and an antibiotic for 2 weeks and it did nothing for here severe
anemia. (Her only symptom) I was told at that time that there was nothing
that could help her and to just keep her comfortable as she dies. 

 

Changed vets.

 

New vet.Was prescribed 2mg of Stanozolol once a day along with the Pred once
a day. This morning, Bogie got her 5th dose of Stanozolol. She appears to be
less anemic. Has more energy, sleeping less and more interested in playing
and is eating and drinking well enough on her own. Her gums are slightly
more pink as well. There hasn't been any side effects that I have seen with
this combination. Except I have to pill her twice a day but she is getting
used to that a little bit. 

 

I don't want to speak to soon, but I believe just from how she is acting,
that this drug is helping my kitten make some red blood cells. She goes in
this week for a blood test so I will know if it is actually doing that .
Today is the happiest day we have had in the house in over a month. 

 

I will reply to this thread to keep the group posted. 

 

Wish us luck!

 

Best.

Sherri

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[dlgegg]

PRAYERS FOR YOU AND BOGIE
 Margo  wrote: 
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[Margo]

Hi Sherri,    I'm sure that everyone here is hoping for wonderful results for Bogie!     At this point, if he's just FEELING better, it's all good Margo-Original Message-
From: Sherri Godschalk <skgodschal...@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 21, 2016 10:35 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

I wanted to update everyone here about how this medication is affecting the health of my FELV positive 1 year old kitten.Bogie got her diagnosis just under 3 weeks ago. The first vet I saw tried Prednisone and an antibiotic for 2 weeks and it did nothing for here severe anemia. (Her only symptom) I was told at that time that there was nothing that could help her and to just keep her comfortable as she dies. Changed vets.New vet…Was prescribed 2mg of Stanozolol once a day along with the Pred once a day. This morning, Bogie got her 5th dose of Stanozolol. She appears to be less anemic. Has more energy, sleeping less and more interested in playing and is eating and drinking well enough on her own. Her gums are slightly more pink as well. There hasn’t been any side effects that I have seen with this combination. Except I have to pill her twice a day but she is getting used to that a little bit. I don’t want to speak to soon, but I believe just from how she is acting, that this drug is helping my kitten make some red blood cells. She goes in this week for a blood test so I will know if it is actually doing that . Today is the happiest day we have had in the house in over a month. I will reply to this thread to keep the group posted. Wish us luck!Best.Sherri
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Sherri

I am happy to hear of your experience so far, but like you, I held my breath 
for a very long time with Zander.

Please keep us all updated.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: August-21-16 10:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

I wanted to update everyone here about how this medication is affecting the 
health of my FELV positive 1 year old kitten.

Bogie got her diagnosis just under 3 weeks ago. The first vet I saw tried 
Prednisone and an antibiotic for 2 weeks and it did nothing for here severe 
anemia. (Her only symptom) I was told at that time that there was nothing that 
could help her and to just keep her comfortable as she dies.

Changed vets.

New vet...Was prescribed 2mg of Stanozolol once a day along with the Pred once 
a day. This morning, Bogie got her 5th dose of Stanozolol. She appears to be 
less anemic. Has more energy, sleeping less and more interested in playing and 
is eating and drinking well enough on her own. Her gums are slightly more pink 
as well. There hasn't been any side effects that I have seen with this 
combination. Except I have to pill her twice a day but she is getting used to 
that a little bit.

I don't want to speak to soon, but I believe just from how she is acting, that 
this drug is helping my kitten make some red blood cells. She goes in this week 
for a blood test so I will know if it is actually doing that . Today is the 
happiest day we have had in the house in over a month.

I will reply to this thread to keep the group posted.

Wish us luck!

Best.
Sherri
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[Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

I wanted to update everyone here about how this medication is affecting the
health of my FELV positive 1 year old kitten.

Bogie got her diagnosis just under 3 weeks ago. The first vet I saw tried
Prednisone and an antibiotic for 2 weeks and it did nothing for here severe
anemia. (Her only symptom) I was told at that time that there was nothing
that could help her and to just keep her comfortable as she dies.

Changed vets.

New vetŠWas prescribed 2mg of Stanozolol once a day along with the Pred once
a day. This morning, Bogie got her 5th dose of Stanozolol. She appears to be
less anemic. Has more energy, sleeping less and more interested in playing
and is eating and drinking well enough on her own. Her gums are slightly
more pink as well. There hasn¹t been any side effects that I have seen with
this combination. Except I have to pill her twice a day but she is getting
used to that a little bit.

I don¹t want to speak to soon, but I believe just from how she is acting,
that this drug is helping my kitten make some red blood cells. She goes in
this week for a blood test so I will know if it is actually doing that .
Today is the happiest day we have had in the house in over a month.

I will reply to this thread to keep the group posted.

Wish us luck!

Best.
Sherri


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