Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!)
Awesome! Thank you!!! - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice,Sharyl Natalie!!) Bonnie, I add 1/4 tsp to each qt. of water. For the ferals I add 1/4 tsp for each 5.5 oz of canned food I put out for them. Here is the link again for the L-Lysine powder http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Lysine-Powder-1-lb-454-g/653?at=0 Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 11:06 PM Sharyl I perked up reading your message about L-Lysine and herpes. I have my mother's dear cat, Lucky, who recently got a positive FeLV and has, since we've had him (12 years?) had an occasionally runny eye that one vet diagnosed as herpes. So, how do you get the L-lysine in them? Just put in water? Can you put in canned food? I'm currently putting Pet Rescue Remedy in the water as Lucky is still in quarantine until gets retested and/or my 3 healthy house cats get vaccinated. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice,Sharyl Natalie!!) Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!)
After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!)
Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!)
Thanks, Sheryl. Powder definitely sounds easier to dose than capsules. I will also talk to the vet about l-Lysine because Avis does have herpes. It damaged his 3rd eyelid which was why we were at the vet ophthalmologist and got the fateful blood test. TWO feral cat colonies?! Wow. That is sad to think about. So many throwaway cats. Or are most of them born feral? From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:24:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!)
Sharyl I perked up reading your message about L-Lysine and herpes. I have my mother's dear cat, Lucky, who recently got a positive FeLV and has, since we've had him (12 years?) had an occasionally runny eye that one vet diagnosed as herpes. So, how do you get the L-lysine in them? Just put in water? Can you put in canned food? I'm currently putting Pet Rescue Remedy in the water as Lucky is still in quarantine until gets retested and/or my 3 healthy house cats get vaccinated. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice,Sharyl Natalie!!) Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!)
Most of them were born in the colonies. I have TNR's most of these cats so there will be few additions. Seems like a new one shows up every few months. They get fresh food and water every night and seem quite happy. Some I have been feeding for almost 5 yrs now. I get my L-Lysine powder from this web site. http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Lysine-Powder-1-lb-454-g/653?at=0 I add 1/4 tsp to each qt. of water I put out for them. Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 9:24 PM Thanks, Sheryl. Powder definitely sounds easier to dose than capsules. I will also talk to the vet about l-Lysine because Avis does have herpes. It damaged his 3rd eyelid which was why we were at the vet ophthalmologist and got the fateful blood test. TWO feral cat colonies?! Wow. That is sad to think about. So many throwaway cats. Or are most of them born feral? From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:24:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!)
Bonnie, I add 1/4 tsp to each qt. of water. For the ferals I add 1/4 tsp for each 5.5 oz of canned food I put out for them. Here is the link again for the L-Lysine powder http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Lysine-Powder-1-lb-454-g/653?at=0 Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 11:06 PM Sharyl I perked up reading your message about L-Lysine and herpes. I have my mother's dear cat, Lucky, who recently got a positive FeLV and has, since we've had him (12 years?) had an occasionally runny eye that one vet diagnosed as herpes. So, how do you get the L-lysine in them? Just put in water? Can you put in canned food? I'm currently putting Pet Rescue Remedy in the water as Lucky is still in quarantine until gets retested and/or my 3 healthy house cats get vaccinated. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice,Sharyl Natalie!!) Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!)
My Fuji absolutely refuses to take pills. However, the last few days I've added lysine to her wet food and she has been eating it pretty well! On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Sharyl I perked up reading your message about L-Lysine and herpes. I have my mother's dear cat, Lucky, who recently got a positive FeLV and has, since we've had him (12 years?) had an occasionally runny eye that one vet diagnosed as herpes. So, how do you get the L-lysine in them? Just put in water? Can you put in canned food? I'm currently putting Pet Rescue Remedy in the water as Lucky is still in quarantine until gets retested and/or my 3 healthy house cats get vaccinated. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice,Sharyl Natalie!!) Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Alice
Beth, I am sorry to hear about sweet Alice. What a wonderful month she must have had with you! She probably thought she was already in Heaven! Bless you for doing that for her and be comforted by your recent memories of her. :) Wendy --- Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am the newbie from a few weeks back that had a litter of five, with one FeLV positive. I was trying to find a home for her so that she could live out her life unsequestered, but didn't realize how terribly difficult that is. Nina, you wrote then that perhaps she had found her way to me for a reason, and that her home was meant to be with me. I believe you were right. I never did find anyone else to love her, thank goodness, because she worked her way right into my heart. For the past month I have spent all my free time with her, taking her outside on a leash every evening and playing with her, snuggling with her, and just enjoying her company, knowing that her time may be short. Unfortunately, it was very short. She came down with a high fever, antibiotics helped for a few days, but she began to swell with abdominal fluid and spiked a 106 degree temperature. FIP is likely, but not confirmed. An aspiration of the fluid showed it to be yellow, but not as dark a yellow as is normally seen with FIP, so it was inconclusive. She was suffering, struggling for each breath, I am missing her terribly, but I couldn't let her keep on like that. She crossed over at 10:30 this morning. I have read with sorrow of the recent struggles and losses on this list (dear Ceasar!), how you folks in rescue have the strength to go through this over and over, I don't know. Bless you all, and thank you for all the advice and encouragement. Peace, Beth Peace, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Alice
Alice had the best possible life here. She was totally loved and wonderfully cared for. She has opened your heart in ways you can not even begin to understand right now but will in the months and even years to come. Treasure her. She treasures you and will always be close. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Gary Murphy To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Alice Hello everyone, I amthe newbie from a few weeks back that had a litter of five, with oneFeLV positive. I was trying to find a home for her so that she could live out her life unsequestered,but didn't realize how terribly difficult that is. Nina, you wrote then that perhaps she had found her way to me for a reason, and that her home was meant to be with me. I believe you were right. I never did find anyone else to love her, thank goodness, becauseshe worked her way right into my heart.For the past monthI have spentall my free time with her, taking her outside on a leashevery evening and playing with her, snuggling with her, and justenjoying her company, knowing that her time may be short. Unfortunately, it was very short.Shecame down with a high fever, antibiotics helped for a few days, butshe began toswell withabdominal fluid and spikeda 106 degree temperature. FIP is likely, but no confirmed. An aspiration of the fluid showed it to be yellow, but notas dark a yellow as is normally seen with FIP, so it was inconclusive. She was suffering,struggling for each breath, I ammissing her terribly, but I couldn't let her keepon like that. She crossed over at 10:30 this morning.I have read with sorrow of the recent struggles and losses on this list (dear Ceasar!), how you folks in rescuehave the strength to go through thisover andover, I don't know. Bless you all, and thank you for all the advice and encouragement. Peace, Beth Peace, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006
Re: Alice
Beth, Alice was a lucky girl to have such a loving person to give her the love she needed and deserved in her short time here.Bless you.It is very hard working in rescue when they leave us,but the reward of knowing we loved them when no one else would helps the healing process. SherryGary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello everyone, I amthe newbie from a few weeks back that had a litter of five, with oneFeLV positive. I was trying to find a home for her so that she could live out her life unsequestered,but didn't realize how terribly difficult that is. Nina, you wrote then that perhaps she had found her way to me for a reason, and that her home was meant to be with me. I believe you were right. I never did find anyone else to love her, thank goodness, becauseshe worked her way right into my heart.For the past monthI have spentall my free time with her, taking her outside on a leashevery evening and playing with her, snuggling with her, and justenjoying her company, knowing that her time may be short. Unfortunately, it was very short.Shecame down with a high fever, antibiotics helped for a few days, butshe began toswell withabdominal fluid and spikeda 106 degree temperature. FIP is likely, but not confirmed. An aspiration of the fluid showed it to be yellow, but notas dark a yellow as is normally seen with FIP, so it was inconclusive. She was suffering,struggling for each breath, I ammissing her terribly, but I couldn't let her keepon like that. She crossed over at 10:30 this morning.I have read with sorrow of the recent struggles and losses on this list (dear Ceasar!), how you folks in rescuehave the strength to go through thisover andover, I don't know. Bless you all, and thank you for all the advice and encouragement.Peace, BethPeace, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Alice
Beth, I am very sorry. It does sound like FIP. Michelle
Alice
Hello everyone, I amthe newbie from a few weeks back that had a litter of five, with oneFeLV positive. I was trying to find a home for her so that she could live out her life unsequestered,but didn't realize how terribly difficult that is. Nina, you wrote then that perhaps she had found her way to me for a reason, and that her home was meant to be with me. I believe you were right. I never did find anyone else to love her, thank goodness, becauseshe worked her way right into my heart.For the past monthI have spentall my free time with her, taking her outside on a leashevery evening and playing with her, snuggling with her, and justenjoying her company, knowing that her time may be short. Unfortunately, it was very short.Shecame down with a high fever, antibiotics helped for a few days, butshe began toswell withabdominal fluid and spikeda 106 degree temperature. FIP is likely, but not confirmed. An aspiration of the fluid showed it to be yellow, but notas dark a yellow as is normally seen with FIP, so it was inconclusive. She was suffering,struggling for each breath, I ammissing her terribly, but I couldn't let her keepon like that. She crossed over at 10:30 this morning.I have read with sorrow of the recent struggles and losses on this list (dear Ceasar!), how you folks in rescuehave the strength to go through thisover andover, I don't know. Bless you all, and thank you for all the advice and encouragement. Peace, Beth Peace, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alice - A short but meaningful life
Oh Beth, I can't tell you how saddened I am to hear of your loss of sweet Alice. Such a special girl! Please try and take some comfort in the wonderful loving home you gave her and how happy you made each other in your brief time together. You have a little Angel watching over you and yours, and she'll always be with you in spirit. Nothing I can say will ease your pain right now, I realize that, but please know that we do understand the depth of emotion that these tiny little souls stir. Sweet little Alice is chasing butterflies in Heaven, telling everyone how special her Mom is and how big a heart you have. The unconditional love you showered on Alice knows no time frame, it will last forever. Isn't it amazing how such a tender little innocent can alter your life in ways you'd never have imagined? That's how and why we who rescue are able to continue to do what we do, heartbreak after heartbreak. Because those that touch our lives with grief also touch our lives with equal amounts of joy and gratitude. Blessings to you in your grief, may you soon be smiling through your tears at your memories of your darling little girl, Much love, Nina Gary Murphy wrote: Hello everyone, I amthe newbie from a few weeks back that had a litter of five, with oneFeLV positive. I was trying to find a home for her so that she could live out her life unsequestered,but didn't realize how terribly difficult that is. Nina, you wrote then that perhaps she had found her way to me for a reason, and that her home was meant to be with me. I believe you were right. I never did find anyone else to love her, thank goodness, becauseshe worked her way right into my heart.For the past monthI have spentall my free time with her, taking her outside on a leashevery evening and playing with her, snuggling with her, and justenjoying her company, knowing that her time may be short. Unfortunately, it was very short.Shecame down with a high fever, antibiotics helped for a few days, butshe began toswell withabdominal fluid and spikeda 106 degree temperature. FIP is likely, but not confirmed. An aspiration of the fluid showed it to be yellow, but notas dark a yellow as is normally seen with FIP, so it was inconclusive. She was suffering,struggling for each breath, I ammissing her terribly, but I couldn't let her keepon like that. She crossed over at 10:30 this morning.I have read with sorrow of the recent struggles and losses on this list (dear Ceasar!), how you folks in rescuehave the strength to go through thisover andover, I don't know. Bless you all, and thank you for all the advice and encouragement. Peace, Beth Peace, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
