RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-23 Thread catatonya
As far as I remember it was 'controlled'.  She was hard to pill and didn't get all her med.s very regularly as well.  She later had a stroke and possible heart attack and I lost her due to that.
 
tonyaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Hi, Tonya, do you know if her liver condition got better with milk thisle and denosal?
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:20 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
 

I'm sorry George is positive for fiv, but he's got himself a good home which is the most important thing.  I had a cat with liver problems who took milk thistle.  She also took something else that I can't recall the name of.  I'll try to find it for you.  She has since passed, but it was not from the liver disease.

 

tonyaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi, everyone – I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon – I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness – I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite – I felt like he trusted me somehow – but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldn’t do it because he was so wiggly – anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that it’s going to be a plain short one – I went ahead and gave them a permission – I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery – I was so nervous.
 
My George did very well – I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure.
 
Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by – I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys – he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny – all the blood work came back normal, except his liver – his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! 
 
My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem – I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem.  As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal – yeah!) – anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know – I would like to do everything I can do help him!!
 
PS, he even lets me pet him – I just love my little George!  

RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-23 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Thank you, Belinda, I will watch him very closely - I am hopeful (for
some reason, just have a feeling), but it can change in a heart beat
sometimes - 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

   Hi Hideyo,
  Cats that are eating can develope Fatty Liver if they are not eating 
enough and haven't been getting enough food for a while.  My concern is 
if he is yellow and jaundice, it's more than a small problem, it is 
serious.  Even Buddie with liver cancer and sepsis on top of it was 
barely yellow, so if he is noticably jaundice there must be a a pretty 
good amount of liver damage, not to say he can't overcome it, as you 
know the liver is pretty resilient.  Just keep a very close eye on him, 
you don't want it to develope into Fatty Liver, it is major work and 
effort to pull a cat out of that.  The best way to make sure a cat is 
getting enough food is get them to their optimum weight and make sure 
they are maintaining it.

Just an FYI cholangial hepititis is also very serious, that is what my 
vet thought Buddie had, but it turned out it was cancer.

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RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-23 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








Hi, Tonya, do you know if her liver
condition got better with milk thisle and denosal?

 









From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:20
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby -
George: FIV and a liver problem



 



I'm sorry George is positive for fiv, but he's got himself a good home
which is the most important thing.  I had a cat with liver problems who
took milk thistle.  She also took something else that I can't recall the
name of.  I'll try to find it for you.  She has since passed, but it
was not from the liver disease.





 





tonya

Hideyo
 Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:





Hi, everyone – I took George to the vet yesterday
afternoon – I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood
without anesthesia because of his physical weakness – I picked him up and
was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to
scratch me or bite – I felt like he trusted me somehow – but when
he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldn’t do it
because he was so wiggly – anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia,
but with the understanding that it’s going to be a plain short one
– I went ahead and gave them a permission – I was so scared while
waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from
anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery – I was so
nervous.

 

My George did very well – I was so proud of him and he
ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse
reaction from the procedure.

 

Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not
devarsted by – I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby
happy boys – he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny – all the
blood work came back normal, except his liver – his skin is all jaundice
and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! 

 

My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for
Leo when he had a liver problem – I am writing to see if anyone has any
suggestions for liver problem.  As I understand that liver is the most
important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike
Kidney (his kidney is normal – yeah!) – anyway, if you have
any suggestions, please let me know – I would like to do everything I can
do help him!!

 

PS, he even lets me pet him – I just love my little
George!  










Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread catatonya
yes, the denasyl is what I used.  it was the cholangiohepatitis.
 
tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hideyo,
  I have not been following the responses to your posts (am in the process of moving and do not have the time or energy). But my Simon had sky-high billirubin levels (25!), so here is some advice:
 
1. Denasyl (sp?) is better/stroonger than milk thistle, I think, for the liver. It comes from vets. But it is the same thing as SAMe, which you can get at the health food store. It can probably be given with milk thistle.
 
2. Liver so compromised can be from lymphoma, like with Simon, or from cholangiohepatitis, which is treatable with antibiotics, or from hepatic lipidosis, which requires a feeding tube. A biopsy is necessary to tell.  You probably already know this, and maybe already got the biopsy-- again, I didn't read the whole thread so don't know.  Lymphoma would be the worst case scenario, but Simon's bilirubin came down to almost normal with steroids and chemo (he died two months later from anemia). 
 
Michelle

Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread catatonya
I'm sorry George is positive for fiv, but he's got himself a good home which is the most important thing.  I had a cat with liver problems who took milk thistle.  She also took something else that I can't recall the name of.  I'll try to find it for you.  She has since passed, but it was not from the liver disease.
 
tonyaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Hi, everyone – I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon – I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness – I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite – I felt like he trusted me somehow – but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldn’t do it because he was so wiggly – anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that it’s going to be a plain short one – I went ahead and gave them a permission – I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery – I was so nervous.
 
My George did very well – I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure.
 
Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by – I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys – he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny – all the blood work came back normal, except his liver – his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! 
 
My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem – I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem.  As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal – yeah!) – anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know – I would like to do everything I can do help him!!
 
PS, he even lets me pet him – I just love my little George!  

Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Joan Doljan
I have been giving Denosyl and Milk Thistle to Bruce.  You do not need a prescription for it anymore.  
 
Joan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hideyo,
  I have not been following the responses to your posts (am in the process of moving and do not have the time or energy). But my Simon had sky-high billirubin levels (25!), so here is some advice:
 
1. Denasyl (sp?) is better/stroonger than milk thistle, I think, for the liver. It comes from vets. But it is the same thing as SAMe, which you can get at the health food store. It can probably be given with milk thistle.
 
2. Liver so compromised can be from lymphoma, like with Simon, or from cholangiohepatitis, which is treatable with antibiotics, or from hepatic lipidosis, which requires a feeding tube. A biopsy is necessary to tell.  You probably already know this, and maybe already got the biopsy-- again, I didn't read the whole thread so don't know.  Lymphoma would be the worst case scenario, but Simon's bilirubin came down to almost normal with steroids and chemo (he died two months later from anemia). 
 
Michelle

Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Lernermichelle



Hideyo,
  I have not been following the responses to your posts (am in the 
process of moving and do not have the time or energy). But my Simon had sky-high 
billirubin levels (25!), so here is some advice:
 
1. Denasyl (sp?) is better/stroonger than milk thistle, I think, for the 
liver. It comes from vets. But it is the same thing as SAMe, which you can get 
at the health food store. It can probably be given with milk thistle.
 
2. Liver so compromised can be from lymphoma, like with Simon, or from 
cholangiohepatitis, which is treatable with antibiotics, or from hepatic 
lipidosis, which requires a feeding tube. A biopsy is necessary to tell.  
You probably already know this, and maybe already got the biopsy-- again, I 
didn't read the whole thread so don't know.  Lymphoma would be the worst 
case scenario, but Simon's bilirubin came down to almost normal with steroids 
and chemo (he died two months later from anemia). 
 
Michelle


Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Terri Brown




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  - Original Message - 
  From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:29 
  PM
  Subject: My sweet brave baby - George: 
  FIV and a liver problem
  
  
  Hi, everyone – I took George to 
  the vet yesterday afternoon – I was hoping that we could examine him and draw 
  a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness – I picked him up 
  and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to 
  scratch me or bite – I felt like he trusted me somehow – but when he was taken 
  to the back to draw a blood, they really couldn’t do it because he was so 
  wiggly – anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the 
  understanding that it’s going to be a plain short one – I went ahead and gave 
  them a permission – I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV 
  boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from 
  spaying surgery – I was so nervous.
   
  My George did very well – I was so 
  proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will 
  not have averse reaction from the procedure.
   
  Anyway, he was tested positive for 
  FIV, which I was not devarsted by – I have already 5 FIV positive guys and 
  they are all chubby happy boys – he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny – 
  all the blood work came back normal, except his liver – his skin is all 
  jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! 
  
   
  My holistic vet had suggested 
  before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem – I am writing 
  to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem.  As I understand 
  that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great 
  recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal – yeah!) – 
  anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know – I would like to do 
  everything I can do help him!!
   
  PS, he even lets me pet him – I 
  just love my little George! 
 


RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Oh..Belinda, you are making me cry - what a sweet kitty she is - and how
committed you are - now she is in the kitty heaven, and watching you as
a guardian angel..

Hideyo

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

She was doing fine until she got the sepsis infection, then she 
wasn't eating very good and got very slightly jaundice by the time she 
beat the infection, so I decided to get a feeding tube.  She was 
fighting the cancer so hard and beat the sepsis (which my vet was pretty

sure she wasn't going to survive), I wasn't going to let her die from 
lack of food, something I could control.  She had her tube for about two

months and she loved it, we bonded like never before in that year that 
she was fighting the cancer, I was amazed at what she would put up 
with.  Buddie was not a very social cat before she got cancer but became

very social in that last year.

She would run to the couch and wait when she heard me getting her 
feeding syringes ready and lay purring the whole time I fed her.  When 
we were done she'd flop over on her side and take a snooze :)

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Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Belinda Sauro
   She was doing fine until she got the sepsis infection, then she 
wasn't eating very good and got very slightly jaundice by the time she 
beat the infection, so I decided to get a feeding tube.  She was 
fighting the cancer so hard and beat the sepsis (which my vet was pretty 
sure she wasn't going to survive), I wasn't going to let her die from 
lack of food, something I could control.  She had her tube for about two 
months and she loved it, we bonded like never before in that year that 
she was fighting the cancer, I was amazed at what she would put up 
with.  Buddie was not a very social cat before she got cancer but became 
very social in that last year.


She would run to the couch and wait when she heard me getting her 
feeding syringes ready and lay purring the whole time I fed her.  When 
we were done she'd flop over on her side and take a snooze :)


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Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Belinda Sauro
PS.  I also forgot to say that cats that lose weight too quickly can 
develope Fatty Liver also.


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RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
I am so very sorry to hear it, Belinda - was she jaundice,too?

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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:55 AM
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Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

   We did an xray because she started throwing up alot, it showed that 
her liver was enlarged.  We then did an ultrasound to try and get a 
biopsy which they did get and it had cancer cells.  My vet was thinking 
she had cholangial hepititis, but the biopsy showed cancer.  She lived 
just over a year after we diagnosed it.

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Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Belinda Sauro
  We did an xray because she started throwing up alot, it showed that 
her liver was enlarged.  We then did an ultrasound to try and get a 
biopsy which they did get and it had cancer cells.  My vet was thinking 
she had cholangial hepititis, but the biopsy showed cancer.  She lived 
just over a year after we diagnosed it.


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Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Belinda Sauro

  Hi Hideyo,
 Cats that are eating can develope Fatty Liver if they are not eating 
enough and haven't been getting enough food for a while.  My concern is 
if he is yellow and jaundice, it's more than a small problem, it is 
serious.  Even Buddie with liver cancer and sepsis on top of it was 
barely yellow, so if he is noticably jaundice there must be a a pretty 
good amount of liver damage, not to say he can't overcome it, as you 
know the liver is pretty resilient.  Just keep a very close eye on him, 
you don't want it to develope into Fatty Liver, it is major work and 
effort to pull a cat out of that.  The best way to make sure a cat is 
getting enough food is get them to their optimum weight and make sure 
they are maintaining it.


Just an FYI cholangial hepititis is also very serious, that is what my 
vet thought Buddie had, but it turned out it was cancer.


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RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
Hideyo,
I pray he gets better for you, positve thoughts and healing vibes coming your way.
CherieHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi, Belinda, I just talked to my vet -He did not think he has Fatty Liver disease, since they usually don'teat - and thank god, George eats - he might have hepatitis - but theonly way to make sure of it, he said, is to go through biopsy, which Irefused to do on him right now. I guess regardless with the cause, Iunderstand that there isn't really anything that the traditionalmedicine can offer to cure the problem, you just have to do everythingyou can with an environment, supplements, and diet so that he will beable to detoxify with his liver - he did suggest B-12 shots (which Igave him yesterday) and supplement called s-Adenosyl (supposed to healliver - do you know anything about this?Please pray that his liver will only get better - I only to provide hima good life for a long time..-Original Message-From:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda SauroSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:37 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problemHideyo,What did the vet say was the reason for George's liver problem, is it Fatty Liver disease, cholangial hepititis, or something else?? Yes the liver can heal itself but if George is really jaundice and yellow you want to be very careful, this can be fatal (very quickly). You need to know why his liver is in the shape it is, it could be any number of things including cancer, I don't understand why your vet didn't give thecause, you can't treat if you don't know what is causing the problem??-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP
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RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
How did they know that Buddie had a liver cancer - was it from
ultrasound or extray?

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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:34 AM
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Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

Yes Buddie was getting that when she had liver cancer, it was called

something else but it's the same thing.  Lots of prayers for him to get 
better quickly.

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Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Belinda Sauro
   Yes Buddie was getting that when she had liver cancer, it was called 
something else but it's the same thing.  Lots of prayers for him to get 
better quickly.


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RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








Thank you, Joan – it will be a
challenging to trying to give it to him, but I will definitely try it!

 









From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joan Doljan
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005
11:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby -
George: FIV and a liver problem



 



Hideyo,





 





I have been using Milk Thistle for one of my guys and it is remarkable.
I used the brand made by Animal Apawthecary and Bruce hates it, but it seems to
keep help with his anemia.  Also, someone at work, has a son who is on
Milk Thistle and flourishing.





 





Joan

Hideyo
 Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:





Hi, everyone – I took George to the vet yesterday
afternoon – I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood
without anesthesia because of his physical weakness – I picked him up and
was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to
scratch me or bite – I felt like he trusted me somehow – but when
he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldn’t do it
because he was so wiggly – anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia,
but with the understanding that it’s going to be a plain short one
– I went ahead and gave them a permission – I was so scared while
waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from
anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery – I was so
nervous.

 

My George did very well – I was so proud of him and he
ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse
reaction from the procedure.

 

Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not
devarsted by – I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby
happy boys – he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny – all the
blood work came back normal, except his liver – his skin is all jaundice
and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! 

 

My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for
Leo when he had a liver problem – I am writing to see if anyone has any
suggestions for liver problem.  As I understand that liver is the most
important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike
Kidney (his kidney is normal – yeah!) – anyway, if you have
any suggestions, please let me know – I would like to do everything I can
do help him!!

 

PS, he even lets me pet him – I just love my little
George!  










Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Joan Doljan
Hideyo,
 
I have been using Milk Thistle for one of my guys and it is remarkable. I used the brand made by Animal Apawthecary and Bruce hates it, but it seems to keep help with his anemia.  Also, someone at work, has a son who is on Milk Thistle and flourishing.
 
JoanHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Hi, everyone – I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon – I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness – I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite – I felt like he trusted me somehow – but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldn’t do it because he was so wiggly – anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that it’s going to be a plain short one – I went ahead and gave them a permission – I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery – I was so nervous.
 
My George did very well – I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure.
 
Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by – I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys – he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny – all the blood work came back normal, except his liver – his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! 
 
My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem – I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem.  As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal – yeah!) – anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know – I would like to do everything I can do help him!!
 
PS, he even lets me pet him – I just love my little George!  

Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Barb Moermond
I don't have any experience with liver problems in my babies, but I do remember a lot of people using milk thistle.  Good for George  Give him an extra pat or three for me:)Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Hi, everyone – I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon – I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness – I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite – I felt like he trusted me somehow – but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldn’t do it because he was so wiggly – anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that it’s going to be a plain short one – I went ahead and gave them a permission – I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery – I was so nervous.
 
My George did very well – I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure.
 
Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by – I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys – he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny – all the blood work came back normal, except his liver – his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! 
 
My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem – I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem.  As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal – yeah!) – anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know – I would like to do everything I can do help him!!
 
PS, he even lets me pet him – I just love my little George!  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Hi, Belinda, I just talked to my vet -

He did not think he has Fatty Liver disease, since they usually don't
eat - and thank god, George eats - he might have hepatitis - but the
only way to make sure of it, he said, is to go through biopsy, which I
refused to do on him right now.  I guess regardless with the cause, I
understand that there isn't really anything that the traditional
medicine can offer to cure the problem, you just have to do everything
you can with an environment, supplements, and diet so that he will be
able to detoxify with his liver - he did suggest B-12 shots (which I
gave him yesterday) and supplement called s-Adenosyl (supposed to heal
liver - do you know anything about this?

Please pray that his liver will only get better - I only to provide him
a good life for a long time..
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Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

   Hideyo,
  What did the vet say was the reason for George's liver problem, is it 
Fatty Liver disease, cholangial hepititis, or something else??  Yes the 
liver can heal itself but if George is really jaundice and yellow you 
want to be very careful, this can be fatal (very quickly).  You need to 
know why his liver is in the shape it is, it could be any number of 
things including cancer, I don't understand why your vet didn't give the

cause, you can't treat if you don't know what is causing the problem??

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Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Nina
Pretty much sums up what I was going to ask.  What did the vet say about 
what might be causing the liver problem?  Didn't he have any ideas??


I'm very pleased that George is trusting you!  What a smart, sweet boy 
he is!  Sending lots of healing vibes that he recovers from whatever is 
causing his problems.  Could it be from lack of food?  Hang in there 
girl.  I'm so grateful that he's safe with you in your sanctuary.  Don't 
let yourself get consumed by worry, you've found your way to each other, 
that's a miracle in itself.

Nina

Belinda Sauro wrote:


  Hideyo,
 What did the vet say was the reason for George's liver problem, is it 
Fatty Liver disease, cholangial hepititis, or something else??  Yes 
the liver can heal itself but if George is really jaundice and yellow 
you want to be very careful, this can be fatal (very quickly).  You 
need to know why his liver is in the shape it is, it could be any 
number of things including cancer, I don't understand why your vet 
didn't give the cause, you can't treat if you don't know what is 
causing the problem??







Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem

2005-06-22 Thread Belinda Sauro

  Hideyo,
 What did the vet say was the reason for George's liver problem, is it 
Fatty Liver disease, cholangial hepititis, or something else??  Yes the 
liver can heal itself but if George is really jaundice and yellow you 
want to be very careful, this can be fatal (very quickly).  You need to 
know why his liver is in the shape it is, it could be any number of 
things including cancer, I don't understand why your vet didn't give the 
cause, you can't treat if you don't know what is causing the problem??


--
Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties ...
http://www.bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candle Light Service
http://www.bemikitties.com/cls

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