Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Amani Oakley]

No problem Marlene. I hope your baby stays healthy.

Amani

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Marlene Snowman
Sent: January-27-17 7:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

Thank you, really appreciate this information.

M

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On Jan 27, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
I think it depends on the lab results. If the haematology values are within 
normal ranges (especially haematocrit, red cells, platelets and reticulocyte 
counts) I don’t think you need the Winstrol. What I might consider though is 
putting him on the Doxycycline, which I believe may slow down or interfere with 
the reproduction of the virus. I would be interested to see what the 
neutrophil/lymphocyte levels look like. You often see a reversal of the ratio 
(with lymphocytes rising) and/or abnormal lymphocytes developing, and this is 
also from the effects of the virus. The Doxycycline MIGHT help.

I should also point out that Winstrol used to be given to increase a cat’s 
appetite, strength, weight, and muscle mass. I believe it also acts positively 
on the bone marrow as per my experience and the scientific study I recently 
quoted, showing a positive improvement for people with osteoporosis, who were 
put on Winstrol. Thus, it wouldn’t be the worst thing to do, to have a 3-4 week 
course on the Winstrol for a cat. It may help fortify the bone marrow, and the 
cat’s strength generally.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Marlene Snowman
Sent: January-27-17 6:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

Would you consider using this for a cat (1.7 years old) that is Positive but no 
showing any signs of the illness (yet) ?

M

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day




If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.


Hope this helps!

Amani


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Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV


Amani,

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must 
have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.

Thanks,

Gary

On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into 
the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere 
with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I 
believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the 
outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on 
board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.

Amani





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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Marlene Snowman]

Thank you, really appreciate this information. 

M

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> I think it depends on the lab results. If the haematology values are within 
> normal ranges (especially haematocrit, red cells, platelets and reticulocyte 
> counts) I don’t think you need the Winstrol. What I might consider though is 
> putting him on the Doxycycline, which I believe may slow down or interfere 
> with the reproduction of the virus. I would be interested to see what the 
> neutrophil/lymphocyte levels look like. You often see a reversal of the ratio 
> (with lymphocytes rising) and/or abnormal lymphocytes developing, and this is 
> also from the effects of the virus. The Doxycycline MIGHT help.
>  
> I should also point out that Winstrol used to be given to increase a cat’s 
> appetite, strength, weight, and muscle mass. I believe it also acts 
> positively on the bone marrow as per my experience and the scientific study I 
> recently quoted, showing a positive improvement for people with osteoporosis, 
> who were put on Winstrol. Thus, it wouldn’t be the worst thing to do, to have 
> a 3-4 week course on the Winstrol for a cat. It may help fortify the bone 
> marrow, and the cat’s strength generally.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marlene Snowman
> Sent: January-27-17 6:20 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
>  
> Would you consider using this for a cat (1.7 years old) that is Positive but 
> no showing any signs of the illness (yet) ?
>  
> M
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 27, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day
>  
> Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day
>  
> Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
>  
>  
>  
>  
> If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow 
> moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of 
> the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
> apometocloprimide.
>  
> If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
> consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
> kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely 
> increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might 
> also increase the liver enzymes faster.
>  
>  
> Hope this helps!
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
>  
> Amani,
> 
> Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they 
> must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> 
>  
> On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Hi Sherri
>  
> I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
> that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back 
> into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to 
> interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, 
> though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. 
> But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the 
> Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it 
> from rising.
>  
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[dlgegg]

What is apometocloprimide?  I do not recall eeing it mentioned before?


 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Winstrol - 1 mg twice a day
> 
> Doxycycline - 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day
> 
> Prednisolone - ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow 
> moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of 
> the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
> apometocloprimide.
> 
> If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low - like below 5-8, you might 
> consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
> kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely 
> increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might 
> also increase the liver enzymes faster.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
> 
> 
> Amani,
> 
> Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they 
> must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> 
> On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Hi Sherri
> 
> I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
> that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back 
> into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to 
> interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, 
> though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. 
> But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the 
> Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it 
> from rising.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Amani Oakley]

I think it depends on the lab results. If the haematology values are within 
normal ranges (especially haematocrit, red cells, platelets and reticulocyte 
counts) I don’t think you need the Winstrol. What I might consider though is 
putting him on the Doxycycline, which I believe may slow down or interfere with 
the reproduction of the virus. I would be interested to see what the 
neutrophil/lymphocyte levels look like. You often see a reversal of the ratio 
(with lymphocytes rising) and/or abnormal lymphocytes developing, and this is 
also from the effects of the virus. The Doxycycline MIGHT help.

I should also point out that Winstrol used to be given to increase a cat’s 
appetite, strength, weight, and muscle mass. I believe it also acts positively 
on the bone marrow as per my experience and the scientific study I recently 
quoted, showing a positive improvement for people with osteoporosis, who were 
put on Winstrol. Thus, it wouldn’t be the worst thing to do, to have a 3-4 week 
course on the Winstrol for a cat. It may help fortify the bone marrow, and the 
cat’s strength generally.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Marlene Snowman
Sent: January-27-17 6:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

Would you consider using this for a cat (1.7 years old) that is Positive but no 
showing any signs of the illness (yet) ?

M

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day




If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.


Hope this helps!

Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV


Amani,

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must 
have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.

Thanks,

Gary

On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into 
the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere 
with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I 
believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the 
outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on 
board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.

Amani




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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Marlene Snowman]

Would you consider using this for a cat (1.7 years old) that is Positive but no 
showing any signs of the illness (yet) ?

M

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day
>  
> Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day
>  
> Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
>  
>  
>  
>  
> If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow 
> moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of 
> the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
> apometocloprimide.
>  
> If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
> consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
> kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely 
> increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might 
> also increase the liver enzymes faster.
>  
>  
> Hope this helps!
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
>  
> Amani,
> 
> Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they 
> must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> 
>  
> On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Hi Sherri
>  
> I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
> that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back 
> into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to 
> interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, 
> though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. 
> But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the 
> Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it 
> from rising.
>  
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Amani Oakley]

Winstrol - 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline - 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone - ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day




If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low - like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.


Hope this helps!

Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV


Amani,

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must 
have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.

Thanks,

Gary

On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into 
the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere 
with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I 
believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the 
outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on 
board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.

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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[gary]

Amani,

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know 
they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.


Thanks,

Gary


On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:


Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my 
experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the 
red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use 
of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol 
does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger 
overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment 
regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and 
reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.


Amani





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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[dlgegg]

I have 1 felv, Annie.  She is now 8 years plus, healthy, sassy and  8 lbs.Don't 
give up on your Hodor mand take the advice of members hwo have been through 
this.


 "Katherine K."  wrote: 
> Hodor is STUNNING. Looks like a combination of my 2 kitties. Glad you found
> our group, we're here to support you as you support Hodor. Thanks for
> helping him.
> When my cat first got sick, I had my vet order LTCI injections. They seemed
> to help, but they were expensive. Hugs to both of you!
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Margo 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Elizabeth,
> >
> >   Sorry you have to be here, but glad you found us. Thank you
> > for not allowing the Vet to euthanize. I'm appalled that a ACVIM Vet would
> > recommend that. What happened with the floss and GI involvement? Has his
> > RBC/HCT held? How does he feel and act?
> >
> >I have two FeLV+ cats on Interferon, and they have been on
> > it for 3+ years. I can't swear it helps, but I'm sure not going to stop it
> > :) You might try DMG, some people have had luck withthat, for mine, it
> > hasn;t hurt to stop it, but I would start again if either started going
> > south.
> >
> > As to your other cat, I see no point in separating them,
> > as my Vet said, "That ship has sailed". I would probably vaccinate your
> > negative cat, but I didn't. I do vaccinate anyone new who may have contact.
> >
> > Don't give up :)
> >
> > Margo, Mako, Gribble and assorted negatives...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Liz McCarty
> > Sent: Sep 15, 2016 1:39 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Looking for support, suggestions, and information. I've never had a cat
> > with FeLV. We took our 1 year old, Hodor, to the vet because he seemed
> > lethargic and in his stool there was a piece of floss that was red. At the
> > vet things escalated and they told us he was severely anemic and would need
> > a transfusion that day. I took off work and rushed him to a specialist. The
> > vet there told us she would run an FeLV test before doing anything in case
> > we wanted to avoid the extra tests and procedures. She told us he was FeLV
> > positive and persistently talked to me and my fiance about euthanizing him
> > which was out of the question for us. I took him to the vet thinking it was
> > going to be minor and then she's talking to me about killing him! We went
> > forward with the blood transfusion. It's been almost 3 weeks now. They had
> > him on doxycycline  in case there was a bacterial cause, and prednisone.
> > Last week he started interferon... Does anyone have experience with that
> > and know if it was effective? I also started him on Pet Tinic.   Any other
> > suggestions? Any insight into whether you think he will be able to pull
> > through? He doesn't have cancer, they ran the tests but don't know if it's
> > in the bone marrow.  I'm scared. We have another one year old, unrelated,
> > and they are best friends. It breaks my heart to think they might be
> > separated. She's not FeLV positive.
> >
> > Additionally I have set up a go fund me to help with the costs we
> > incurred, and I want to donate half to FeLV research if anyone is
> > interested.
> > http://www.gofundme.com/2mzdpgk
> >
> > Mainly looking for support and advice. Thank you in advance.
> >
> > Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into 
the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere 
with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I 
believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the 
outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on 
board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: September-15-16 4:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

Hi Elizabeth,
I had commented a couple of times on your Facebook posts on the Felv+ Owners 
page.
How has your cat been feeling since the transfusion? Has he been able to 
sustain any energy, appetite and such after his transfusion?
I am glad you found this board. I was given very good info here after Bogey was 
diagnosed. Her IFA was positive and so her bone marrow is affected. Her RBC was 
13 when I took her in. She had stopped playing, eating and was sleeping all the 
time. After being on the Prednisone her appetite rebounded. They also put her 
on an antibiotic that we have since stopped at the vets urging and added 
Stanzolol 2mg once a day. She goes back in tomorrow to see if her counts are 
better and I think they will be. Her gums are more pink, playing some and 
eating good. I am certain though that she is still quite anemic. We just need 
to show improvement with this treatment. I find myself saying all day today 
"Please be higher".
My point being they can rebound from the anemia.  I don't know for how long but 
I am going to give my cat the best chance at life that I can as I am sure you 
will and everyone else on this board does. Some cats can live a long time with 
FELV and some just cannot. I wish us all the best of luck.
Sherri

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Subject: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV


Hi everyone,

Looking for support, suggestions, and information. I've never had a cat with 
FeLV. We took our 1 year old, Hodor, to the vet because he seemed lethargic and 
in his stool there was a piece of floss that was red. At the vet things 
escalated and they told us he was severely anemic and would need a transfusion 
that day. I took off work and rushed him to a specialist. The vet there told us 
she would run an FeLV test before doing anything in case we wanted to avoid the 
extra tests and procedures. She told us he was FeLV positive and persistently 
talked to me and my fiance about euthanizing him which was out of the question 
for us. I took him to the vet thinking it was going to be minor and then she's 
talking to me about killing him! We went forward with the blood transfusion. 
It's been almost 3 weeks now. They had him on doxycycline  in case there was a 
bacterial cause, and prednisone. Last week he started interferon... Does anyone 
have experience with that and know if it was effective? I also started him on 
Pet Tinic.   Any other suggestions? Any insight into whether you think he will 
be able to pull through? He doesn't have cancer, they ran the tests but don't 
know if it's in the bone marrow.  I'm scared. We have another one year old, 
unrelated, and they are best friends. It breaks my heart to think they might be 
separated. She's not FeLV positive.

Additionally I have set up a go fund me to help with the costs we incurred, and 
I want to donate half to FeLV research if anyone is interested.
http://www.gofundme.com/2mzdpgk

Mainly looking for support and advice. Thank you in advance.

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Liz

The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol 
(Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are 
used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid.

Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc.

Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right 
now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or 
inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA duplication. 
The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but neither of these 
helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly and very quickly on 
the bone marrow and seems to get red cells generated again, quite promptly. At 
least it did for my Zander, and I have been contacted directly by several 
people from this group, who have reported to me that they also saw almost 
immediate (within 3 days) evidence of their cats’ gums/ears/pads pinkening up.

The problem is that Winstrol is a controversial drug because it is also what 
professional athletes use to get bigger, stronger and faster. Quite 
unfortunately (since none of our cats are entering the Olympics) that 
association with doping scandals has cast a shadow on its use in both animal 
and people medicine. In human medicine, it is the only drug found to be 
effective in treating hereditary angioedema and anemia.

Here is a blurb I found about it:

Winstrol was first invented in 1959. Soon after that, the UK based Winthrop 
Laboratories created a prescription medicine from it. Later, in 1961, 
Winthrop’s patent was bought by the US based Sterling that started 
manufacturing and selling the drug in the American markets.
In the beginning, Winstrol was used for a variety of medical reasons. But 
later, by the 1970s, the FDA had restricted its use to only promoting growth 
and treating osteoporosis. In the 1980s, there was a termination of the 
manufacture of anabolic steroids in the American market. But Winstrol was among 
those steroids which not only survived, but thrived in the 1980s and 1990s. 
During this period, its use was reinforced as a cure for anemia – as it had the 
power to boost red blood cell count, and was used as a treatment for facial 
swelling or angioedema.
When the manufacture of Winstrol was finally discontinued, Ovation 
Pharmaceuticals bought the rights to manufacture it, in 2003. However, Ovation 
Pharmaceuticals have ceased their operations now, so the Winstrol products 
available today in the American markets are only generic and not pharmaceutical 
grade. Outside the USA, however, several large brands still manufacture and 
sell Winstrol.
Genuine Stanozolol can be distinguished in water suspensions because it 
separates from the liquid into micrometer particles. These particles will fall 
to the bottom if the container is not disturbed for a few hours. The crystals 
have a milky white color.
Winstrol can not only be used for humans, but it has veterinary uses as well. 
Weakened or injured animals can be treated with Winstrol in order to promote 
red blood cell count, strengthen bones, stimulate appetite, and enhance muscle 
growth. It has also reportedly been used to dope horses in US horse races.
If your vet is willing to try this, he/she will need to order it from a 
compounding pharmacy.

The dose should be 1 mg 2 times a day for a cat. If your cat is in poor shape 
and needs an immediate boost, start him on 2 mg x 2 times a day for a week or 
so, and then drop down to the lower dose.

Your vet will undoubtedly say that Winstrol is known to cause liver damage.

The first answer to this is, so what? FeLV will almost invariably result in the 
premature death of cats. The vets have nothing which is directly effective to 
fight FeLV. Things like Interferon may or may not assist but such a treatment 
is again a side treatment where you are hoping to boost your cat’s immune 
system, rather than a direct attack on the virus. It is also quite indirect in 
that IF the interferon helps, it will be more long term, and only if it manages 
to boost the immune system enough to permit your cat’s system to try and fight 
the virus, and when/if the virus is inhibited enough, then MAYBE (if the virus 
hasn’t already destroyed all the progenitor cells in the bone marrow) will red 
cell production begin to climb again. Winstrol is the only medication that I 
know of, (and believe me, I have looked!) that seems to work by turning back on 
those progenitor cells or possibly promoting the growth of new ones since it 
also works to enhance the production of bone cells (effective against 
osteoporosis).

The second answer, regarding the liver damage, is that the only information 
about this is quite suspect, coming out of a very poorly designed research 
study where the cats in the study were given doses found effective on HUSKY 
SLED DOGS for lord’s sake! The cats were given a LOADING DOSE via intravenous 
injection, of 25 mg – 

Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Elizabeth,
I had commented a couple of times on your Facebook posts on the Felv+ Owners
page.
How has your cat been feeling since the transfusion? Has he been able to
sustain any energy, appetite and such after his transfusion?
I am glad you found this board. I was given very good info here after Bogey
was diagnosed. Her IFA was positive and so her bone marrow is affected. Her
RBC was 13 when I took her in. She had stopped playing, eating and was
sleeping all the time. After being on the Prednisone her appetite rebounded.
They also put her on an antibiotic that we have since stopped at the vets
urging and added Stanzolol 2mg once a day. She goes back in tomorrow to see
if her counts are better and I think they will be. Her gums are more pink,
playing some and eating good. I am certain though that she is still quite
anemic. We just need to show improvement with this treatment. I find myself
saying all day today ³Please be higher².
My point being they can rebound from the anemia.  I don¹t know for how long
but I am going to give my cat the best chance at life that I can as I am
sure you will and everyone else on this board does. Some cats can live a
long time with FELV and some just cannot. I wish us all the best of luck.
Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Liz
McCarty 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 1:39 PM
To:  
Subject:  [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV


Hi everyone, 

Looking for support, suggestions, and information. I've never had a cat with
FeLV. We took our 1 year old, Hodor, to the vet because he seemed lethargic
and in his stool there was a piece of floss that was red. At the vet things
escalated and they told us he was severely anemic and would need a
transfusion that day. I took off work and rushed him to a specialist. The
vet there told us she would run an FeLV test before doing anything in case
we wanted to avoid the extra tests and procedures. She told us he was FeLV
positive and persistently talked to me and my fiance about euthanizing him
which was out of the question for us. I took him to the vet thinking it was
going to be minor and then she's talking to me about killing him! We went
forward with the blood transfusion. It's been almost 3 weeks now. They had
him on doxycycline  in case there was a bacterial cause, and prednisone.
Last week he started interferon... Does anyone have experience with that and
know if it was effective? I also started him on Pet Tinic.   Any other
suggestions? Any insight into whether you think he will be able to pull
through? He doesn't have cancer, they ran the tests but don't know if it's
in the bone marrow.  I'm scared. We have another one year old, unrelated,
and they are best friends. It breaks my heart to think they might be
separated. She's not FeLV positive.

Additionally I have set up a go fund me to help with the costs we incurred,
and I want to donate half to FeLV research if anyone is interested.
http://www.gofundme.com/2mzdpgk

Mainly looking for support and advice. Thank you in advance.

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[kat]

Good for you for not listening to the euthanasia nonsense.  Doxycycline is used in case the anemia is being caused by Hemobartonellosis (Hemobart for short).  But you said there was a piece of floss in his stool.  Floss can do all kinds of nasty stuff to a kitty's intestines.  He could have lost blood because of that.  Testing positive for FeLV is unfortunate, because now vets can focus on this instead of looking at the complete picture.  Some kitties can live for several years after testing positive, so do not give up hope.  How long have the 2 cats been best friends?  If the other cat has tested negative, it may very well be that she has a strong enough immune system.  Separating them now may only cause undue stress, which you don't want to do.  Concentrate on increasing the immune system, keeping them well fed & happy.  We never really know how long we have with them - whether they test positive or not...  I'm sure others will chime in here too.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 1:39 PM
From: "Liz McCarty" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV


Hi everyone,

Looking for support, suggestions, and information. I've never had a cat with FeLV. We took our 1 year old, Hodor, to the vet because he seemed lethargic and in his stool there was a piece of floss that was red. At the vet things escalated and they told us he was severely anemic and would need a transfusion that day. I took off work and rushed him to a specialist. The vet there told us she would run an FeLV test before doing anything in case we wanted to avoid the extra tests and procedures. She told us he was FeLV positive and persistently talked to me and my fiance about euthanizing him which was out of the question for us. I took him to the vet thinking it was going to be minor and then she's talking to me about killing him! We went forward with the blood transfusion. It's been almost 3 weeks now. They had him on doxycycline  in case there was a bacterial cause, and prednisone. Last week he started interferon... Does anyone have experience with that and know if it was effective? I also started him on Pet Tinic.   Any other suggestions? Any insight into whether you think he will be able to pull through? He doesn't have cancer, they ran the tests but don't know if it's in the bone marrow.  I'm scared. We have another one year old, unrelated, and they are best friends. It breaks my heart to think they might be separated. She's not FeLV positive.

Additionally I have set up a go fund me to help with the costs we incurred, and I want to donate half to FeLV research if anyone is interested. 
http://www.gofundme.com/2mzdpgk

Mainly looking for support and advice. Thank you in advance.

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Katherine K.]

Hodor is STUNNING. Looks like a combination of my 2 kitties. Glad you found
our group, we're here to support you as you support Hodor. Thanks for
helping him.
When my cat first got sick, I had my vet order LTCI injections. They seemed
to help, but they were expensive. Hugs to both of you!

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Margo 
wrote:

> Hi Elizabeth,
>
>   Sorry you have to be here, but glad you found us. Thank you
> for not allowing the Vet to euthanize. I'm appalled that a ACVIM Vet would
> recommend that. What happened with the floss and GI involvement? Has his
> RBC/HCT held? How does he feel and act?
>
>I have two FeLV+ cats on Interferon, and they have been on
> it for 3+ years. I can't swear it helps, but I'm sure not going to stop it
> :) You might try DMG, some people have had luck withthat, for mine, it
> hasn;t hurt to stop it, but I would start again if either started going
> south.
>
> As to your other cat, I see no point in separating them,
> as my Vet said, "That ship has sailed". I would probably vaccinate your
> negative cat, but I didn't. I do vaccinate anyone new who may have contact.
>
> Don't give up :)
>
> Margo, Mako, Gribble and assorted negatives...
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Liz McCarty
> Sent: Sep 15, 2016 1:39 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Looking for support, suggestions, and information. I've never had a cat
> with FeLV. We took our 1 year old, Hodor, to the vet because he seemed
> lethargic and in his stool there was a piece of floss that was red. At the
> vet things escalated and they told us he was severely anemic and would need
> a transfusion that day. I took off work and rushed him to a specialist. The
> vet there told us she would run an FeLV test before doing anything in case
> we wanted to avoid the extra tests and procedures. She told us he was FeLV
> positive and persistently talked to me and my fiance about euthanizing him
> which was out of the question for us. I took him to the vet thinking it was
> going to be minor and then she's talking to me about killing him! We went
> forward with the blood transfusion. It's been almost 3 weeks now. They had
> him on doxycycline  in case there was a bacterial cause, and prednisone.
> Last week he started interferon... Does anyone have experience with that
> and know if it was effective? I also started him on Pet Tinic.   Any other
> suggestions? Any insight into whether you think he will be able to pull
> through? He doesn't have cancer, they ran the tests but don't know if it's
> in the bone marrow.  I'm scared. We have another one year old, unrelated,
> and they are best friends. It breaks my heart to think they might be
> separated. She's not FeLV positive.
>
> Additionally I have set up a go fund me to help with the costs we
> incurred, and I want to donate half to FeLV research if anyone is
> interested.
> http://www.gofundme.com/2mzdpgk
>
> Mainly looking for support and advice. Thank you in advance.
>
> Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Margo]

Hi Elizabeth,  Sorry you have to be here, but glad you found us. Thank you for not allowing the Vet to euthanize. I'm appalled that a ACVIM Vet would recommend that. What happened with the floss and GI involvement? Has his RBC/HCT held? How does he feel and act?   I have two FeLV+ cats on Interferon, and they have been on it for 3+ years. I can't swear it helps, but I'm sure not going to stop it :) You might try DMG, some people have had luck withthat, for mine, it hasn;t hurt to stop it, but I would start again if either started going south.    As to your other cat, I see no point in separating them, as my Vet said, "That ship has sailed". I would probably vaccinate your negative cat, but I didn't. I do vaccinate anyone new who may have contact.Don't give up :)Margo, Mako, Gribble and assorted negatives... -Original Message-
From: Liz McCarty 
Sent: Sep 15, 2016 1:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

Hi everyone, 
Looking for support, suggestions, and information. I've never had a cat with FeLV. We took our 1 year old, Hodor, to the vet because he seemed lethargic and in his stool there was a piece of floss that was red. At the vet things escalated and they told us he was severely anemic and would need a transfusion that day. I took off work and rushed him to a specialist. The vet there told us she would run an FeLV test before doing anything in case we wanted to avoid the extra tests and procedures. She told us he was FeLV positive and persistently talked to me and my fiance about euthanizing him which was out of the question for us. I took him to the vet thinking it was going to be minor and then she's talking to me about killing him! We went forward with the blood transfusion. It's been almost 3 weeks now. They had him on doxycycline  in case there was a bacterial cause, and prednisone. Last week he started interferon... Does anyone have experience with that and know if it was effective? I also started him on Pet Tinic.   Any other suggestions? Any insight into whether you think he will be able to pull through? He doesn't have cancer, they ran the tests but don't know if it's in the bone marrow.  I'm scared. We have another one year old, unrelated, and they are best friends. It breaks my heart to think they might be separated. She's not FeLV positive. 
Additionally I have set up a go fund me to help with the costs we incurred, and I want to donate half to FeLV research if anyone is interested.  
http://www.gofundme.com/2mzdpgk
Mainly looking for support and advice. Thank you in advance. 
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438


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