RE: Kisa is gone, thank you all
Cassandra, You're not being punished for something! Are you Catholic? :-) I am, and I often have these feelings of guilt or punishment-sometimes we just can't see through the bleakness and the sadness, and we try to rationalize in any way possible. There is no way that God or the Universe or Karma or whatever you may believe in is punishing you. I firmly believe that because we love so much, we will inevitably hurt more than other people who don't love animals. There's the old saying that God only gives us what we can handle, and I used to tell myself that when I lost my son. I'm not sure I believe it or not, but I want to. It's not that we are being punished, but we are people who can handle it. We have to for these kitties since no one will. We will suffer in the process, but we know that the time we did spend with these babies is still worth all our grief. We can handle it because we're strong people who stand up for our fellow creatures who are innocent, neglected, and abused. I guess I think of it as a yin/yang type thing-or a balance if you will. Our grief is directly proportional to our capacity to love-so clearly, you and everyone on this list are very loving people. Although the sadness can be overwhelming, it is the result of a greater love and compassion for others-it comes from your heart. It's not punishment that all this is happening at once, but I understand how you can feel that way. Another old saying: When it rains, it pours. For me this seems to be the case! But, you'll get through it! Keep your head up and realize how special you, your husband, and those around you are since what you do is a phenomenal gift to our world. Best, Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
Kelly, I have never heard anyone admit that before, but i agree with you. I had a really bad time when my mom died, but that hasn't been the case with the rest of my relatives. When Smokey died last summer...I could have died. We were so close, and it hurt so very much. In 2005, when our big orange guy, Ginger died suddenly, I will never forget my husband going in that room and seeing him. I heard him crying, and that was so unlike him. We both really have emotional bonds with these guys. They are so loving, forgiving and faithful. It is a pleasure to be taking care of them. Dede --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 6/14/2007 12:44 PM When you are in the service
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
I often wonder what the link is between those of us who forge deep emotional connections with their pets, and those who do not, or cannot. I have always felt like the lunatic fringe when the loss of my 19 year old cat was more painful than loosing either of my parents. As we all know, the stress of caring for a sick pet is off the charts, for the likes of us. The internet and support groups like this are really a lifeline. Jane On Jun 16, 2007, at 8:38 AM, dede hicken wrote: Kelly, I have never heard anyone admit that before, but i agree with you. I had a really bad time when my mom died, but that hasn't been the case with the rest of my relatives. When Smokey died last summer...I could have died. We were so close, and it hurt so very much. In 2005, when our big orange guy, Ginger died suddenly, I will never forget my husband going in that room and seeing him. I heard him crying, and that was so unlike him. We both really have emotional bonds with these guys. They are so loving, forgiving and faithful. It is a pleasure to be taking care of them. Dede --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
It was much harder to loose a dear kitty than to go through a divorce. People don't understand that either. It's true though - nothing leaves such a hole in your heart. Love and prayers to you and to Tomi, Cassandra. elizabeth On 6/15/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 6/14/2007 12:44 PM
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 6/14/2007 12:44 PM
Re: Kisa is gone :(
Cassandra, I know your heart is breaking and I am so sorry for your loss of Kisa. We all were hoping she would rally as well. Take care of yourself. Godspeed Kisa. Gina C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.
RE: Kisa is gone :(
I'm so sorry, Cassandra. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Kisa, and hugs to you. It's so hard anytime, but when they're so young it's just that much worse. I like to think that little souls who don't have a chance to live out their full span get another chance later on. If so, I hope Kisa finds you again. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Kisa is gone :(
Cassandra, I haven't been posting, but I've been trying to read and look for updates on your Kisa. I'm so sorry for your loss. She was such a little fighter recently. I'm always surprised at how diverse our kitties are-how there are numerous words to describe their personalities-like you said. I'm so happy there are people like you and everyone on this group who understand that-who have compassion in their hearts no matter how much their hearts hurt because of their giving nature. I think the amount of our hurt is directly related to how much we love. It's as though the more we love the more it hurts, but it ultimately won't stop us from saving more poor furbabies because if we don't, then no one will. Cassandra-I hope you find some peace in your grief-but sometimes it's just best to be sad while you remember darling Kisa. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra
RE: Kisa is gone :(
I am so sorry for your loss. Even though her life was short, Kisa was well loved and cared for, as was Kodaand am sure they both knew and appreciated you and your compassion. Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kisa is gone :(Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:50:38 -0500 Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra _ Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club. http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink
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Cassandra, I am so, so sorry that Kisa didn't pull through. I know you are disappointed and hurting right now. It is a good thing that she is not in anymore pain. You tried SO hard to save that little one. Bless you for taking the time to do all you could for her. I watched Animal Cops on Animal Planet last night and this poor dog in NYC came in and his body temp. was 84 degrees; the vet said he didn't think an animal could live with that low of a temp-he'd certainly never seen it. He had a horrible skin infection and a bacterial infection and he was starving; he looked HORRIBLE. His owner never took him to the vet and wasn't feeding him. Luckily, someone called, and the animal control police confiscated the dog. The vet was able to save him. It was a miracle and the dog is beautiful now. He's a Cano Corso (sp?) from South America. I thought of you. I thought of how much you were doing for Kisa and it was the complete opposite of how this owner neglected his dog. People who love their animals like you do should be given the medal of honor for all they do for their pets. Their furbabies who are unable to help themselves. They can't go to the store and buy food for themselves. They can't visit a doctor by themselves. But the loving people here on this site and all over the world who care for their animals are one of the things that makes the world bearable for me. I hope every single one of them is blessed in a very special way. I know your heart is broken. I pray that it heals quickly and that you are able to let the good memories of Kisa comfort you while you heal. She probably slept on your pillow as her way of saying good-bye and that she loves you and she's going to be ok on the other side. If you need anything, or just to vent, please post or you can email me off list. Thinking of you and Kisa... :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
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Cassandra, I am so very sorry. You did everything you could and Kisa died knowing how much you loved her. tonya C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra
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Oh Cassandra, I'm so sorry.. GLOW to light her path and ease your heart Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50:38 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
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I am so very sorry. You read these posts, and hope against all hope that this one will beat the odds. You did all the right things with her, and i know she knew how much she was loved. Peace and blessings to you, Dede --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
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Bless you and your family (no matter the number of feet). Kisa may well have waited until you were gone to leave this world. Sometimes they (like people) want to be alone for a variety of reasons, including hanging in there because someone the love is so close and so dear that they don't want to cause pain by leaving. I don't know if that makes any sense or not. I have worded it badly but Kisa totally adores you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra
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Cassandra,I am so sorry you lost yopur sweet Kisa.She was lucky to have you to love her. Hugs to you, Sherry C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
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Cassandra, I am so sorry. She was so lucky that you cared for her the way you did -- those last days sleeping on your pillow are so special. There are no words to describe the pain of burying one you your children. There is no greater pain. It will mean so much that you have them there - I know their gravesite is beautiful. Thank you for all your love and care and making this world a better place. All my heart, elizabeth On 6/12/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra
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Cassandra, I know Kisa had problems, but it seemed (and I hoped) that she was going to rebound. I'm sad to read that she's gone. Thank you for taking such good care of her. Lance On Jun 12, 2007, at 4:50 PM, C J wrote: Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra
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Thank you. It is very slow, but Kisa is getting a bit stronger everyday. How is MeMe doing now with the new meds for Giardia? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: Kisa Cassandra, thinking of you and Kisa. Hoping that you had a good night. Jane -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
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Thank you. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Kisa Hoping that Kisa has a good night and that all of you can get some much needed sleep. Sleep tight Jane -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
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Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being
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You should be giving her subqs at least! You are fast approaching the point, if not already there yet, where if you are not going to put in a tube to feed her you are not going to consult an oncologist, that continuing as she is now would be only prolonging her suffering. She is not going to just slip away naturally peacefully. She is very sick, with hepatic lipidosis on top of everything else, plus her body is starving. If nothing further is going to be done for her beyond what has been, which clearly is not helping, then you must consider letting her go. This is not going to turn around without serious intervention. I am not talking surgery, I am talking about insertion of a feeding tube to get critical nourishment into her extend her life long enough to see an oncologist find out where or what the cancer is whether treatable or not. If that isn't going to be done, then there is no hope you MUST consider her clearly declining quality of life let her go. Pam C J wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes
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At 11:50 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I agree with Pam she is suffering,,,she needs the tube and fluids, Please do let her just lie there suffering,,All the medications CAN be given via injection.She is dying,,, Kelly Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started
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My dear Cassandra, Please take a look at the archives about my Spencer. When we got to the point that you are now, I decided to stop trying to force feed and medicate beyond his daily dex shot and in his case, occasional nose drops to help his congestion and breathing. I don't know if the dex shots would help Kisa the way they did Spence, but for him, it gave us another month of quality life and love together. He perked up almost immediately and while I still had to have a vet come to the house to help him cross, I wouldn't have given up that last month with him for anything. It gave us time to say goodbye and helped ease the transition for both of us. I'm so sorry you guys are suffering so, you have my sympathy and understanding. There is nothing worse than watching a loved one suffer and wishing that you had the power to change things. Acceptance is always difficult. Sometimes even with all the intervention money can buy, even with access to a specialist, even if you were inclined to continue with force feedings, medications and subq fluids, it doesn't change the sad outcome and we end up regretting the intervention that did nothing but make them miserable for the time they had left. There are times when we have to just let go of the struggle to control outcomes and instead BE with them, love them and concentrate on making them as comfortable as possible. Sometimes we are left with no other alternatives than to accept and respect their journey. The folks on the list are urging you to do what they think is best. As well intentioned as the advice you are getting is, it's not up to us. You are there, you know your limitations and what may or may not be possible. It is obvious how much you love her and how difficult this last 3 months have been for you. I'm sending you and Kisa love and strength, listen to her, together you'll decide what to do. Nina C J wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re
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Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite
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she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not === message truncated === Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
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She understands that but would much rather be with you two as you would rather be with her. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:57 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you
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At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From
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Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you
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Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty
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At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so
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They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more
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At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all
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The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day
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You can call THEM in the middle of the night ask how she is! That's what I would do. No, they will not insert a tube to tube feed her unless you ask them to. They can't put in a naso-esophageal tube when she is vomiting, so the only one that they can put in is one that bypasses the stomach. Do you mean the ER vet is not 24 hours? Or do you mean that they are only open when the other clinics are closed? You don't say where you are. What city of 50,000 what city is 2.5 hours away. When I was debating moving to work at Best Friends in Utah, St George was the nearest city of any size that was 1.5 hours away. Las Vegas was 4 hours. For my kitties I would make either of those trips. For the 4 hour trip, I would just stay there if I had to sleep in my car. Hoping for a miracle, Pam C J wrote: The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing
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At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection. Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the injectable meds, Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are throwing up they may not even keep the meds down. I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them. Please let me know how I can help you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any time Kelly The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better
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Yes I am in Canada, so i'm sure not all the drugs are the same, and availability may differ. I was using Chloropromazine for the vomiting, but it didn't work. I will ask about those other drugs. So vomiting will preclude having a feeding tube in the esophagus? If so, that could be a problem, as she vomits quite regularly, and has been doing so for a week now. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection. Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the injectable meds, Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are throwing up they may not even keep the meds down. I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them. Please let me know how I can help you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any time Kelly The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have
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At 07:17 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: It has been my experience that members in Canada have had trouble getting the fluids to give at home .please private email me if I can help... thanks Kelly Yes I am in Canada, so i'm sure not all the drugs are the same, and availability may differ. I was using Chloropromazine for the vomiting, but it didn't work. I will ask about those other drugs. So vomiting will preclude having a feeding tube in the esophagus? If so, that could be a problem, as she vomits quite regularly, and has been doing so for a week now. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection. Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the injectable meds, Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are throwing up they may not even keep the meds down. I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them. Please let me know how I can help you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any time Kelly The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks
To Cassandra Re: Kisa
Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation. This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 years. I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were inside. What is happening now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food). I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors. Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both emotionally and financially. Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
