Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
I don't feel like you are picking on me at all. All of my critters have chosen me (except for Kitty who chose my mother and father and had to live with me eventually) and I totally agree--decisions made from love can't be wrong. All we can do is what we truly believe is right. I've gone thru this with a number of critters as have most of us. Some I went to the mat with and others I did not. In each case decisions were made on what I was convinced the critter wanted. And, as I have grown, what my friends told me they wanted in a partnership. I pray that whatever is decided with Dukee works. I write only to give another perspective. It is instinct to do everything medically possible and then some. I learned so much from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and what it means to act by doing nothing. These decisions were right for my friends. They may not be right for Dukee. May all the angels watch over him and his family. They are so obviously filled with love. I hope that love walks him thru this. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt PS. Marylyn, I hope you don't feel like I'm picking on you, just trying to give another perspective. Terrie will ultimately make the best decision for Dukee and her. Any decision made out of love can never be wrong. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
I'm glad to know this. I hope I never have to make the decision but it is very good to have the information from people who have been there. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt I have been told that tube feeding actually does not bother them. I have been told that by people who have done it with their cats, and also by vets. Michelle In a message dated 10/27/2006 7:46:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK: Again, this is my opinion. I would not want to be tube feed if all it was going to do was extend my life a little. This has nothing to do with money but with quality of life.
RE: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
Thanks Diane for explaining things to me about fatty liver and feeding tubes. My Crackers 20 plus lbs...right now knock on wood is doing very very good but if anything like this fatty liver happens to him and he has a hard time eating the tube sounds like a terrific idea. My son was on a NG tube for the 1st month of his life:) Kayte and Crackers
RE: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
Are they giving him e-tube (much simpler and quicker process) on him or or are they putting the tube from his stomach? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt She said that because of the percentage being high on the Titers that it is probable having FIP. That the liver damage is a cause of FIP. She did take a sample of his blood and sent it out. At this point it wouldn't make any difference on his results. But warned me that she is siding with FIP on this. He has too much damage in such a short amount of time and the fact he is very jaundiced. As I stated she did ultra sounds and I forgot to add that he had xrays done as well. She could feel his some of his organs. They were swollen. I know I'm not giving the information you would like to hear. If he has the tube in him he will get a complete workup done on him Vet made a point of saying that to me. My husband isn't home yet I will ask him if we have the funds to do so. He will probably crap his pants since we just recently paid off the original Taz's medical bills. ($5000.00) Vet's office doesn't have a payment plan. But he is a cat lover and does love Dukee. I guess I will wait an see if we can do this. I'm frustrated as well and very tired. I just want to do what's best for Dukee and make him comfortable. In a message dated 10/27/2006 4:26:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they not run a total body function? I wanted to know if Liver damage is caused by FIP or not as it does make a difference on prognosis and its very difficult to tell without it --- FIP can cause liver damage as Peter got jaundiced at the end (he had FIP).. and Garfunkle had a liver damage which could have been treatable if I had known it sooner.. the cost seems to be pretty reasonable, actually but if he is jaundiced, he needs to get all toxins out ideally via IV fluid so that it can get all toxins out and he will feel better.. can the vet accept any payment plans from you guys? At least, you will need to give him some fluid when liver is not working well, he will start collecting toxins and make them feel sicker and wants to throw up.. can you give him a fluid at home?? Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
RE: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
Did they not run a total body function? I wanted to know if Liver damage is caused by FIP or not as it does make a difference on prognosis and its very difficult to tell without it --- FIP can cause liver damage as Peter got jaundiced at the end (he had FIP).. and Garfunkle had a liver damage which could have been treatable if I had known it sooner.. the cost seems to be pretty reasonable, actually but if he is jaundiced, he needs to get all toxins out ideally via IV fluid so that it can get all toxins out and he will feel better.. can the vet accept any payment plans from you guys? At least, you will need to give him some fluid when liver is not working well, he will start collecting toxins and make them feel sicker and wants to throw up.. can you give him a fluid at home?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt Okay all here is the news! Just got home awhile agoyes I do have him home. At least now we have something to go on but not much better. He has Liver failure and very jaundice. This Vet did a thorough work-up on him. She said at this point because of his color she didn't need to take blood from him the fact that he is anemic. He has a fever of 101 which means it's down from 103.8 He has lost more weight. He was 8 pounds and now is 7.4 pounds. She also said he has lost all of his muscle mass. She did say that he did need to be fed by a tube. Since force feeding will not work because it may make him sick. She said there aren't any guarantees that this would work on feeding him through the tube because of the liver damage. The fact is he has fat on it. There was an ultra-sound done it showed his liver damage. I would do this in a heart beat if I could afford it just give him a chance. We don't have any credit cards. We just don't have the funds to help him this little guy. Time is very critical here. So he will remain here and live his time out for however time he has left. When I see the pain and the horrible cry he will be taken in A.S.A.P. So we don't know how long he has...will try to make him comfortable. I have included the estimate of what it would cost through her. Would this be the norm? Esophagostomy Tube Placement $101.40 Surgical Materials$ 10.20 Geriatric Feline-No Felv/Fiv 59$101.70 10x12 Additional Views$46.10 Bandaging-Small$17.10 Gas Anesthesia-Mask Induction$97.05 Penicillin G-Procaine Injection 1mL$35.58 Amoxi-Drops 50 mg/ml 30 ml$26.25 Flagyl/Metronidazole 250mg Tab $13.51 Hi-Vite Drops 1 ounce$15.34 Euk Maximum Calorie K9/Fe Can$ 8.34 SQ Fluids/Liter For Hosp Admin $41.75 Hospitalization Part Day $29.50 Tax$ 5.98 APPROXIMATETotal$564.32 Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
OK: Again, this is my opinion. I would not want to be tube feed if all it was going to do was extend my life a little. This has nothing to do with money but with quality of life. I can tell you that I could and would have afforded anything for the Royal Princess Kitty Katt but she was very plainly against a lot of intervention. She told 6 ACs I know the same thing she told me. Let me be. No more vets. No more car rides. NO MORE!!! Her case involved cancer and I am sure liver failure and other failures that accompany it. If it were me, I would want to be kept as pain free as possible--not discomfort free but pain free. And I would want to leave this world in my own home and, if I could possibly do it, under my own power. I have had animals do it both ways and both are awful for the people involved. Let Dukee enjoy his time with his friends, both 2 legged and 4-legged. Keep him comfortable. If he wants to be alone, let him. If he wants company, give it to him. But do not force things on him that will prolong but not fix. Again, this is my opinion. It follows conversations with my father in choosing what would and would not be done for himwhy make me miserable for 5 months so I can live six months? You must follow your heart. God bless you and your whole family and lead you to the right decisions. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt Okay all here is the news! Just got home awhile agoyes I do have him home. At least now we have something to go on but not much better. He has Liver failure and very jaundice. This Vet did a thorough work-up on him. She said at this point because of his color she didn't need to take blood from him the fact that he is anemic. He has a fever of 101 which means it's down from 103.8 He has lost more weight. He was 8 pounds and now is 7.4 pounds. She also said he has lost all of his muscle mass. She did say that he did need to be fed by a tube. Since force feeding will not work because it may make him sick. She said there aren't any guarantees that this would work on feeding him through the tube because of the liver damage. The fact is he has fat on it. There was an ultra-sound done it showed his liver damage. I would do this in a heart beat if I could afford it just give him a chance. We don't have any credit cards. We just don't have the funds to help him this little guy. Time is very critical here. So he will remain here and live his time out for however time he has left. When I see the pain and the horrible cry he will be taken in A.S.A.P. So we don't know how long he has...will try to make him comfortable. I have included the estimate of what it would cost through her. Would this be the norm? Esophagostomy Tube Placement $101.40 Surgical Materials$ 10.20 Geriatric Feline-No Felv/Fiv 59$101.70 10x12 Additional Views$46.10 Bandaging-Small$17.10 Gas Anesthesia-Mask Induction$97.05 Penicillin G-Procaine Injection 1mL$35.58 Amoxi-Drops 50 mg/ml 30 ml$26.25 Flagyl/Metronidazole 250mg Tab $13.51 Hi-Vite Drops 1 ounce$15.34 Euk Maximum Calorie K9/Fe Can$ 8.34 SQ Fluids/Liter For Hosp Admin $41.75 Hospitalization Part Day $29.50 Tax$ 5.98 APPROXIMATETotal$564.32 Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
She said that because of the percentage being high on the Titers that it is probable having FIP. That the liver damage is a cause of FIP. She did take a sample of his blood and sent it out. At this point it wouldn't make any difference on his results. But warned me that she is siding with FIP on this. He has too much damage in such a short amount of time and the fact he is very jaundiced. As I stated she did ultra sounds and I forgot to add that he had xrays done as well. She could feel his some of his organs. They were swollen. I know I'm not giving the information you would like to hear. If he has the tube in him he will get a complete workup done on him Vet made a point of saying that to me. My husband isn't home yet I will ask him if we have the funds to do so. He will probably crap his pants since we just recently paid off the original Taz's medical bills. ($5000.00) Vet's office doesn't have a payment plan. But he is a cat lover and does love Dukee. I guess I will wait an see if we can do this. I'm frustrated as well and very tired. I just want to do what's best for Dukee and make him comfortable. In a message dated 10/27/2006 4:26:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they not run a total body function? I wanted to know if Liver damage is caused by FIP or not as it does make a difference on prognosis and it’s very difficult to tell without it --- FIP can cause liver damage as Peter got jaundiced at the end (he had FIP)..– and Garfunkle had a liver damage which could have been treatable if I had known it sooner.. the cost seems to be pretty reasonable, actually – but if he is jaundiced, he needs to get all toxins out ideally via IV fluid so that it can get all toxins out –and he will feel better.. can the vet accept any payment plans from you guys? At least, you will need to give him some fluid – when liver is not working well, he will start collecting toxins and make them feel sicker and wants to throw up.. can you give him a fluid at home?? Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
Fatty liver disease can occur after only a few days and by few I mean 2 or 2 days of not eating or 3 or more days of not eatin enough, overweight cats are in more danger of this but it can happen to any cat not eating enough I know this for a fact it happened to Buddie, and she was fighting cancer and had a tube for 2 months, she actually loved getting fed that way and would run to the couch and wait when she heard me getting her syringes ready. She got sick with sepsis, quit eating and needed a tube after 4 days of hardly eating. She lived a very good quality of life for 5 months after she had her tube removed, which she wasn't happy about, she was eating alittle on her own even as soon as two days after she got her tube but not near enough and would have been in bad shape had I not got the tube when I did. When I was weaning her off the tube feedings she was not a happy camper but did start eating enough and after 2 weeks of making sure she was maintaining her weight we took the tube out. She second time she got sick and we were going to put a tube in (this was 5 months after the first tube, we thought she had sepsis again), she decided she had enough and in recovery went into heart failure. I had talked with her the night before and told her if she decided to leave it was OK, but I wanted her to have the chance if she wanted it. She decided she didn't and upon autopsy it was discovered her cancer had spread and plugged her bile ducts so she didn't have long and she knew it. She was originally diagnosed with liver cancer and lived a year and a month after she was diagnosed. She did get chemo for 3 weeks but stopped eating and got very nauseated so I stopped the chemo, it took me three weeks of holding a bowl in front of her every 15 minutes to get her eating again. I slept in the living room on the couch and fed her every 15 minutes for 20 hours out of the day, she ate enough to not get fatty liver but it took the 3 weeks for her to eat normal again. She didn't get a tube that time she did start eating, but it took three weeks. I know I'm rambling but when they told me Buddie had cancer I was petrified, Buddie was not your friendly lap cat and did things on her terms, I was so afraid she wouldn't put up with any treatment and she really surprised me. We bonded in that year like never before, it was very special. She became very lovey and put up with alot, in fact early on when my vet mentioned the feeding tube maybe being a possiblility in the future I told her I didn't think so. But after seeing how hard Buddie was fighting the cancer I decided I would give her every chance and always told her when she had had enough it was OK to go home, and in Buddie fashion she did just that. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Again, please consider what you would want if you were Dukee. Consider it in terms of your life, your values, comforts, pain, etc. Do not consider it in terms of money or sacrifice. This will come back to haunt you. Have you asked Dukee what he wants What you are describing, to me and in my value set, is flat torture. I would hateit. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt would have hated it. Frankly, I don't know how Dixie Louise would consider it and hope I never have to find out.Please consider what he wants and his quality of life. Listen to him. Go in and lay beside him on the floor late at night and let your hearts talk to each other. I really do understand the frustration, the pain, the anger and worst of all the helplessness.And, again, I speak from a point where I could have afforded all the chemo and treatments and . the specialists wanted to do for Kitty. Money was not an object. The choices were made based on issues my regular and holistic vets and I discussed at lengthen, what she told me and ACs and what I strongly believe I would want (I wanted to make sure I was not forcing my wishes on her so I had my friends talk to her--I wasn't). My father was faced with decisions that would have lengthened his life but the cost of the treatment (pain, dignity etc wise) was so great and would give so little time wise that he chose to not proceed with them. I think I am the only family member that totally understood and supported his decisions. Again, money was not the issue.Try to take that out of the equation, figure out what you/Dukee would want done then, if need be, factor it in again. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt She said that because of the percentage being high on the Titers that it is probable having FIP. That the liver damage is a cause of FIP. She did take a sample of his blood and sent it out. At this point it wouldn't make any difference on his results. But warned me that she is siding with FIP on this. He has too much damage in such a short amount of time and the fact he is very jaundiced. As I stated she did ultra sounds and I forgot to add that he had xrays done as well. She could feel his some of his organs. They were swollen. I know I'm not giving the information you would like to hear. If he has the tube in him he will get a complete workup done on him Vet made a point of saying that to me. My husband isn't home yet I will ask him if we have the funds to do so. He will probably crap his pants since we just recently paid off the original Taz's medical bills. ($5000.00) Vet's office doesn't have a payment plan. But he is a cat lover and does love Dukee. I guess I will wait an see if we can do this. I'm frustrated as well and very tired. I just want to do what's best for Dukee and make him comfortable. In a message dated 10/27/2006 4:26:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they not run a total body function? I wanted to know if Liver damage is caused by FIP or not as it does make a difference on prognosis and it’s very difficult to tell without it --- FIP can cause liver damage as Peter got jaundiced at the end (he had FIP)..– and Garfunkle had a liver damage which could have been treatable if I had known it sooner.. the cost seems to be pretty reasonable, actually – but if he is jaundiced, he needs to get all toxins out ideally via IV fluid so that it can get all toxins out –and he will feel better.. can the vet accept any payment plans from you guys? At least, you will need to give him some fluid – when liver is not working well, he will start collecting toxins and make them feel sicker and wants to throw up.. can you give him a fluid at home?? Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
Marylyn, When Buddie got her tube she was making a crying noise I had not heard before it woke me up and the minute the vet opened we went it, it was very much like a death cry, very gutteral. They wanted to keep her there on IV fluids and my vet told me she probably wasn't going to make it. I said no, I would take her home on the IV pump because if she was going to die she was going to die at home with us, not at the vets alone. They let me bring her home with the infusion pump with the promise I would bring her in the next day for blood work to see how she was doing. She was flat miserable, sepsis is very horrible and she was fighting cancer on top of this. She didn't move from where I set her up on the couch. The next day her blood work was worse, my vet said she was pretty sure she wasn't going to make it, I talked it over with hubby and all I could think about was how hard she had been fighting the cancer and decided to giver her another day because she was at a disadvantage having cancer too. The next day her blood work was normal, her fever was gone, and except for her white cells which were still high because they were fighting the sepsis infection which was throughout her body she was normal, my vet was stunned and she was called the miracle kitty thereafter. This was when she got the feeding tube because she hadn't eaten hardly at all for the 4 or 5 days she was on the IV fluids. I'm sure if I had asked Buddie at that time what she wanted to do, she probably would have told me to leave her alone, same as I do when I'm sick. I just had a feeling she was going to be OK, I honestly didn't have that feeling the second time and that was why we had a talk that night, I was hoping she was going to be OK but in my heart I think I knew, but I still had to give her that opportunity and I know she was OK with it, she made her choice and 3 days later let me know she was OK. I am one of those people who has to do everything I can to try and make my furkids better and they all know that, and I believe they are OK with that because they all picked me. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
Besides fluids, definitely give SAMe (marketed through vets as denosyl, but you can just get SAMe at the health food store if you can find out the amount of SAMe that's in denosyl-- maybe someone on the list knows--) it helps a lot with liver failure. Michelle
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I have been told that tube feeding actually does not bother them. I have been told that by people who have done it with their cats, and also by vets. Michelle In a message dated 10/27/2006 7:46:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK: Again, this is my opinion. I would not want to be tube feed if all it was going to do was extend my life a little. This has nothing to do with money but with quality of life.
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
PS. Marylyn, I hope you don't feel like I'm picking on you, just trying to give another perspective. Terrie will ultimately make the best decision for Dukee and her. Any decision made out of love can never be wrong. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I can emphatically state that tube feeding does not bother them. When Luc had fatty liver last year, he got a sort of surprised look the first time he felt the food hit his throat without going through his mouth, but the rest of the time he just took it in stride. He got used to the tube very quickly -- he did shake his head a little more than usual, which sent the inadequate plug they'd given us flying into the great unknown, but otherwise he was very casual about it. It took a lot of stress off him and off us, since he HATED forced syringe-feeding. He did all the things with the tube in that he had done without it -- more, because he was feeling more himself.He recovered, by the way, and actually began acting much younger than he had in a long time! Terri, I understand the pain of having to consider money at times like these, and I hope if you choose treatment for Dukee, your vet will work with you on payments, or maybe you can ask for a "bare essentials" procedure. For instance, we fed Luc watered-down and pulverized A/D, which goes for about $1.50 a can. Is the $8+ for ONE can of the Maximum Calorie or,I hope,a quantity? Also, fluids are a huge ripoff when you get them from vets' offices. When our Kitty had CRF, we ordered a dozen bags of lactated Ringers plus sufficient tubing and 100 needles for $64, online. Vets do noble work, and I'm not saying they don't deserve every penny, but truth to tell the way they sometimes inflate prices on these incidental supplies is almost as criminal as the way human doctors do. My thoughts are with you no matter which path you choose for Dukee. Diane R. I have been told that tube feeding actually does not bother them. I have been told that by people who have done it with their cats, and also by vets. Michelle
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SamE (100mg daily). SamE is a time-release supplement... so it CANNOT be cut in half. I have a FIV+ cat that was sent home to die by our vet with liver failure... I fed him every two hours and dosed SamE and Milk Thistle and he's alive and well today. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET SAM-E OR THE VETERINARY EQUIVALENT IS ZENTONIL. I swear by this stuff and it has CURED my cat who the vet said was the WORST liver failure he had ever seen. Goliath was down to 7lbs from his usual 13lbshe couldn't keep down anything... he was in VERY bad shape. You CAN pull through liver failure... I syringe fed baby food with nutrical...every two hours all day and all night small amounts often... that's what's best for the liver. Our vet still can't believe Goliath is alive and THRIVING today. I attribute it to the SamE and feeding often.prayers for you and Dukee Leslie =^..^= On 10/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides fluids, definitely give SAMe (marketed through vets as denosyl, but you can just get SAMe at the health food store if you can find out the amount of SAMe that's in denosyl-- maybe someone on the list knows--) it helps a lot with liver failure. Michelle-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Hi Terri I am s sorry so many problms are happening. I am very dense when it comes to sickness...luckily the worst I have had to deal with was an URI. Anyways I am a little confused with fatty liver and things. Will doing these things make Dukee better? If he is losing weight maybe a tube feeding is needed at least he wont starve...Are these tests done to rule things out or fix his sickness. Sorry if these are silly questions...I am just a little confused. And your vets estimate is off by her/his own calculations. And sales tax 1 % only? I hope this new vet isnt trying to over charge you. I dont know the prices of the procedures others probally do! I would follow my heart and if I was in your situation I probally would want Crackers to be comfortable..that's our own personal battle the what ifs and what should i dos that ground us but also drive us insane:0 May you and Dukee come to this personal decision what is truly best for this horrible situation. kayte and crackers
RE: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
Kayte, the "cure" for fatty liver (hepatic lipidosis) is quite simply getting food into the kitty -- as much high-calorie but not-too-fatty food as you can, along with flushing the toxins outwith fluids. When a cat stops eating for whatever reason -- sore mouth, URI, tummyache, cancer, you name it -- its body starts processing for nourishment the fat stored in its cells, the way a camel processes the moisture it stores in its humps when it can't drink.The sheer volume of fat overwhelms the liver which processes nutrients. With a formerly fat cat, like my Luc, this is even a bigger danger since there is s much fat. So you need to get really rich high-protein food in there so the liver has something to work on besides fat that will also strengthen the little dude. The feeding tube enables you to feed the cat more than he'd eat on his own, with less stress, and you can grind up supplements in water and shoot those into him as well, and it buys the liver time to regenerate itself, which it will amazingly well. So yes, if Terri can go this way with Dukee, and hissystem hasn't been too weakened, this will make him better while not being too hard on him. I have heard of cases where the cat was too weak and stressed to survive the procedure, which is really just cutting a very small hole into the esophagus but does involve anesthesia. Butmy housemate Gail and Igot Luc out of fatty liver, and a few years ago we also nursed two of our other kitties, Missy Moo and Phoebe, out of it (though we didn't know then what it was called). We don't know what caused it, we suspect they got into some unknown toxin that the others miraculously didn't. Phoebe had a recurrence the next year and went to the Bridge, but Missy is still with us. I hope this explains it a little, Kayte. Diane R. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 9:52 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt Hi Terri I am s sorry so many problms are happening. I am very dense when it comes to sickness...luckily the worst I have had to deal with was an URI. Anyways I am a little confused with fatty liver and things. Will doing these things make Dukee better? If he is losing weight maybe a tube feeding is needed at least he wont starve...Are these tests done to rule things out or fix his sickness. Sorry if these are silly questions...I am just a little confused. And your vets estimate is off by her/his own calculations. And sales tax 1 % only? I hope this new vet isnt trying to over charge you. I dont know the prices of the procedures others probally do! I would follow my heart and if I was in your situation I probally would want Crackers to be comfortable..that's our own personal battle the what ifs and what should i dos that ground us but also drive us insane:0 May you and Dukee come to this personal decision what is truly best for this horrible situation. kayte and crackers
