Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[laurieskatz]

Hi Pam! I seem to run into you wherever I go! How are you?
Laurie (aka Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper and Winston)
- Original Message - 
From: "Pam Norman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Was bloodwork the same in all?  What was off?  What was their WBC like, 
the BUN & creatinine, the HCT?  Were they eating well up to the time of 
getting sick?  Any fever? 


Pam

laurieskatz wrote:
I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how 
horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. 
Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha 
were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the 
health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. 
In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a 
likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer.  We did radon 
testing, air quality, mold, etc etc.
Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to 
try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your 
furkids. Is toxo contagious?

Laurie
*/Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
 
Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
 
Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently

recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
 
Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows

what was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting
better), brain cancer, toxo.
 
Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I

am going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
 
They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration

(skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
 
Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
 
All tested neg/neg for FELV.
 
Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and

leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing
my cats

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[laurieskatz]

Any chance this is related to the food recall?
- Original Message - 
From: "Pam Norman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Was bloodwork the same in all?  What was off?  What was their WBC like, 
the BUN & creatinine, the HCT?  Were they eating well up to the time of 
getting sick?  Any fever? 


Pam

laurieskatz wrote:
I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how 
horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. 
Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha 
were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the 
health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. 
In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a 
likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer.  We did radon 
testing, air quality, mold, etc etc.
Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to 
try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your 
furkids. Is toxo contagious?

Laurie
*/Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
 
Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
 
Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently

recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
 
Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows

what was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting
better), brain cancer, toxo.
 
Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I

am going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
 
They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration

(skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
 
Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
 
All tested neg/neg for FELV.
 
Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and

leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing
my cats

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[catatonya]

Kelley,
   
  I have no idea, but I thought I'd tell you my own circumstances.  Over the 
years mine have seemed to die quite suddenly from an illness anywhere between 9 
and 12 years of age.  In groups.  Nothing has ever been connected.  We'll go 
years where everyone is fine, and then in one year I lost 3.  all to different 
causes. (Only one that I've lost was felv+).
   
  I think when we take in rescues we have to realize that they are more likely 
to have physical problems due to not being taken care of, inbreeding, being in 
a shelter, etc... and they are just more likely not going to live a 20 year 
lifetime like we hope they will.
   
  Maybe something is going on at your house, and I'm sure you've got lots of 
good advice right now, but try not to 'blame yourself' for these kinds of 
things.  When you're working in rescue it happens.  I lost one adult and 2 
kittens last summer season.  Popeye was about 11 and we think he suffered a 
stroke, but we really don't know for sure.
   
  take care,
  tonya

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
   
  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is 
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
   
  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to 
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
   
  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
   
  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
   
  All tested neg/neg for FELV.
   
  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please 
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Pam Norman]

Was bloodwork the same in all?  What was off?  What was their WBC like, 
the BUN & creatinine, the HCT?  Were they eating well up to the time of 
getting sick?  Any fever? 


Pam

laurieskatz wrote:
I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how 
horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. 
Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha 
were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the 
health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. 
In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a 
likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer.  We did radon 
testing, air quality, mold, etc etc.
Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to 
try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your 
furkids. Is toxo contagious?

Laurie
*/Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
 
Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
 
Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently

recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
 
Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows

what was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting
better), brain cancer, toxo.
 
Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I

am going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
 
They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration

(skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
 
Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
 
All tested neg/neg for FELV.
 
Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and

leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing
my cats

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.


http://www.rescuties.org 

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Gina WN]

Kelley,
   
  I am so sorry this is happening.  My heart goes out to you.  I don't  have 
any suggestions, but I will pray that you can figure out why this is happening.
   
  Gina

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hideyo,
   
  They eat Diamond Naturals Indoor Cat, which is not the best, but contains no 
wheat gluten.  It isn't the worst either.
   
  They also eat Evo canned when I can afford it, which isn't always.
   
  I don't think it is the food, or anything like that..it is only affecting 
cats 5-12 yo.
   
  The kittens are ok.

 
  On 6/27/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How about the 
food?  What do the eat? Was any of their food related to recall food?
- Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
  
 
  I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the 
sheltr.  I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia.  I use 
bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. 
   
  I try to use simple green when I think it will work.  
   
  The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5  year 
old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*.  3 of them were 
owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly.  
A great staff favaprote at T:AC 
   
  I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system.

 
  On 6/27/07, Marylyn < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   No decks or fences?  
Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) in the walls where it 
touched the concrete.  
   
  Any insecticides?  Termite/roach/ants stuff?  Any cleaning solutions?  
Bleaches?  
   
  I'm not picking at you.  Please don't think that.  I know of other cases 
where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times 
we never find out what.  Consider that there appears to be an increase in 
cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our 
food, water, homes.   
   
  If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her.  The ones I 
know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to 
science and the scientific method, just can't.  Mine have convinced me that 
even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats.  They have 
the ability to see as a cat.  It is much like baby-proofing a house.  You get 6 
inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc.   
   
  You mentioned carpet.  Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is 
outgassing.  I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a 
scratching post (very good carpet remnant).  It has been on the porch rail for 
3 months outgassing.  Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never 
make it into the house again.  I am just trying to see how long it takes the 
odor to go away.   Again, I am not picking at you.  This awful set of events 
may be something entirely within the cars.  I had 2 unrelated female cats 
several months apart die.  I trapped them and had them spayed at different 
local vets.  One had every test done before she was spayed.  The other had just 
the basics done.  Both appeared extremely healthy.  Both were fine the night 
before they died but both died the third day.  I was so totally broken up that 
I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on.  Without an autopsy 
(animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come
 up with anything.  One could easily have had undetected heart problems but 
both of them???  All of this is to say that sometimes things just 
happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't think I am picking 
at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something 
might ring true with you.  You have been thru so much.  Maybe an angel will sit 
on your shoulder and whisper an answer.  That is my prayer for you. 
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
  
 
I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl 
tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.  Where the ac 
flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago..

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Sherry DeHaan]

Mary Christine that is so true about cycles in the shelters.We seem to lose 
alot in April and June.Sounds wierd but it was like that last year and this 
year at Sids.

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  it actually isn't, unless it 
continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it 
goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious 
candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a 
number. it's how it balances out that matters. 

plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the 
country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real 
seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these 
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical 
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with 
them, and what hidden conditions. 

yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats.

MC

  On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As far as shelter 
rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org 
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause, 
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: "wendy" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me 


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out 
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so 
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not 
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer. 
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't 
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats 
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline 
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo!
>


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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Dubose]

I understand the "ebb & flow" of the situation.

I worked @ the Austin Humane Society for 4 yrs. as a clinic nurse and also 
worked in animal intake.

I was also the foster care coordinator.

When I would go to TLAC (our area A/C ) and "walk dispo", I always made sure I 
pulled a "project kitty" for myself to work w/, help, and they usually were 
pretty "jacked up"..., to say the least.

I didn't lose that many, however, many had chronic problems hence became 
permanent residence of 
Chez Mew

Sometimes, w/ older animals, I believe they just get so depressed from being 
DUMPED by their loving families, that they just "shut down", lose their will to 
live.

Since Kelly is dealing w/ older cats, this could be part of the problem.

Plus perhaps a rash of very bad luck.

It happens.

I have been pulling form shelters for 7 yrs, now, her number of lost cats seems 
high, but you are correct to say it can come & go  :(

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:40 AM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers 
of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without losing 
any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, 
and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters. 

  plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the 
country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real 
seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these 
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical 
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with 
them, and what hidden conditions. 

  yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats.

  MC



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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me/environment

[janine paton]

I'm loosing a few too many right now also but for the
most part, they have been diagnosed with something not
terribly surprising, given their circumstances.  But
similar, vague symptoms, I think, is another story.  

One of our larger foster homes had a fire.  For a few
years after, cats would suddenly come down with the
same symptoms, with no explainations - weight loss,
dehydration, great blood work.  There are a lot of
toxins in an older house on fire. 

Another story - a friend's cat, lethargic, anorexic,
suddenly eating weird things.  Big time hospital in
NYC, couldn't come up with anything.  Moved cat out of
house when mold was found from leak in wall or
basement.  Cat immediately got better. 

It is worth checking out your environment, I'm sorry
to say.  Good luck, big hugs, take a deep breath.  

Janine

--- MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> yep. lost gypsy in april, crosby two and a half
> weeks ago, and lexie on
> sunday. all three have been ill for quite awhile,
> and it was just their
> time. would i have scheduled it quite like that? of
> course not.
> 
> right now, for the first time in a very long time, i
> have no sick cats i
> do, however, have one FeLV+ kitten, two FIV+ adults,
> and a number who are 13
> and older.
> 
> MC
> 
> On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I lost 3 in January but all were "obvious
> candidates" -- one FIV+ cat with
> > cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged
> kidneys from having been
> > starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was
> more than 18 years old.
> > So 4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and
> have a house full of cats
> > who came from rough circumstances.
> >
> > *MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
> >
> > it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who
> works with large
> > numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in
> cycles--you can go months
> > without losing any but the obvious candidates,
> then suddenly seem to hit a
> > patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number.
> it's how it balances out that
> > matters.
> >
> > plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public
> shelter, in a part of
> > the country that has extremes in temperature,
> amounts of moisture, and no
> > real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until
> cats start coming into these
> > shelters with a full copy of both their genetic
> profiles and their medical
> > histories, it's impossible to know what
> predispositions they are bringing
> > with them, and what hidden conditions.
> >
> > yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with
> a population of 600+
> > cats.
> >
> > MC
> >
> > On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a
> short timeframe is not a
> > >
> > > normal rate of death.
> > >
> > > It is exceesively high.
> > >
> > > Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> > > www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> <http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/>
> > > www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> <http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/>
> > > www.shadowcats.net
> > >   "As Cleopatra
> lay in state,
> > >            Faithful Bast
> at her side did wait,
> > >Purring
> welcomes of soft applause,
> > >Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
> > > 
> Trajan Tennent
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "wendy" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats,
> please help me
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Kelley,
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know
> what to
> > > tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing
> the
> > > deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I
> am
> > > wondering since you do shelter work if four cats
> out
> > > of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given
> the
> > > circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely
> to be
> > > found when rescued with already compromised
> immune
> > > systems).  I don't know much about shelter work,
> so
> > > others 

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Dubose]

I have an idea.

I pull from the same city facility as Kelly does.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  You have to look at percentages.  4 out of how many?

  Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to
tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it. Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
>
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo!
>


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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret 
Meade ~~~






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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[MaryChristine]

yep. lost gypsy in april, crosby two and a half weeks ago, and lexie on
sunday. all three have been ill for quite awhile, and it was just their
time. would i have scheduled it quite like that? of course not.

right now, for the first time in a very long time, i have no sick cats i
do, however, have one FeLV+ kitten, two FIV+ adults, and a number who are 13
and older.

MC

On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I lost 3 in January but all were "obvious candidates" -- one FIV+ cat with
cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged kidneys from having been
starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was more than 18 years old.
So 4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and have a house full of cats
who came from rough circumstances.

*MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large
numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months
without losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a
patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that
matters.

plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of
the country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no
real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing
with them, and what hidden conditions.

yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+
cats.

MC

On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a
>
> normal rate of death.
>
> It is exceesively high.
>
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com <http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/>
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org <http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/>
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay in state,
>Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes of soft applause,
>Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan Tennent
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wendy" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
>
>
> Hi Kelley,
>
> I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
> tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
> deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
> wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
> of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
> circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
> found when rescued with already compromised immune
> systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so
> others with experience will hopefully help you.
>
> Please keep us posted.
> :)
> Wendy
>
> --- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This is the toll so far from this year, not
> > including kittens.
> >
> > Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> > AIHA.
> >
> > Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> > apparently recovered but
> > is now dying, they think cancer.
> >
> > Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> > one knows what was or is
> > wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> > brain cancer, toxo.
> >
> > Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> > know how I am going to
> > pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
> >
> > They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> > dehydration (skin
> > tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
> >
> > Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
> >
> > All tested neg/neg for FELV.
> >
> > Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> > and leadsomeone please
> > help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
> >
> > --
> > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> >
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> >
> > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> >
> > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> >
> > Please help Caroline!
> >
> > http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
> >
> > I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
> >
> > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> > by searching the
> > Internet with GoodSearch 

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Hoffman]

I lost 3 in January but all were "obvious candidates" -- one FIV+ cat with 
cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged kidneys from having been 
starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was more than 18 years old.  So 
4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and have a house full of cats who 
came from rough circumstances.

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  it actually isn't, unless it 
continues. anyone who works with large numbers of cats know that sometimes it 
goes in cycles--you can go months without losing any but the obvious 
candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a 
number. it's how it balances out that matters. 

plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the 
country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real 
seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these 
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical 
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing with 
them, and what hidden conditions. 

yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+ cats.

MC

  On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As far as shelter 
rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org 
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause, 
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: "wendy" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me 


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out 
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so 
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not 
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer. 
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't 
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats 
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline 
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo!
>


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
Meade ~~~ 





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MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[MaryChristine]

absolutely, susan!



On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Smudging isn't new age.  It's very old, a Native American ritual. I
ocassionally smudge the entire house, walking from room to room and smudging
the 4 corners of every room in a clockwise motion.  View the cats through
the smoke and smudge them too.  (And I love the smell.)

*Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

You aren't nuts.  I have too many friends who smudge (use sage the way you
described).  It is common in Native American cultures and even some
Christian religions (using incense at  funerals etc).  It is definitely
worth the effort---most of my friends try to get white sage and it has a
wonderful odor.

They also believe in burning candles of various colors.  I think green
attracts health.a Google search for the meaning of candle colors
would give this information.

If nothing else, you may feel like you are doing something.  And that may
make you feel better.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM
*Subject:* RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me

I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away
whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem???

*"Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

Tamara --

This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I
am totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that
respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any case, unless
someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the
job at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!

Diane R.

 --
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *tamara stickler
*Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

 Kelly,

Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.

I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are
your cats.
Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When
you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or
later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch:
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".

Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run
of bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects &
contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project manager
and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager
who stalked around *screaming* at people like a skitzoid-harpie.

Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation,
to which I remember thinkin' "ok, *SHE'S nuts*!")  Once she moved the sage
to the door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door
frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five
minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area
outside our office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining
it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door
frame, looked around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not
remembering why she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all
started roaring with laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her
"cleansing" of our office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie
NEVER stepped foot into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the
unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained."

Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time,
outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.

God Bless, Good luck,
T


On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late Ap

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[MaryChristine]

it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who works with large numbers
of cats know that sometimes it goes in cycles--you can go months without
losing any but the obvious candidates, then suddenly seem to hit a patch of
whatever, and suddenly lose a number. it's how it balances out that matters.

plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public shelter, in a part of the
country that has extremes in temperature, amounts of moisture, and no real
seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until cats start coming into these
shelters with a full copy of both their genetic profiles and their medical
histories, it's impossible to know what predispositions they are bringing
with them, and what hidden conditions.

yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with a population of 600+
cats.

MC

On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo!
>


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can
change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
Meade ~~~






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the tools to get online.
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Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Hoffman]

You have to look at percentages.  4 out of how many?

Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats 
in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this. I honestly don't know what to
tell you. I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths. Are you sure the deaths are related? I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems). I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it. Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
>
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo!
>


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret 
Meade ~~~





Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all 
the tools to get online.
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting 

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Hoffman]

Smudging isn't new age.  It's very old, a Native American ritual. I 
ocassionally smudge the entire house, walking from room to room and smudging 
the 4 corners of every room in a clockwise motion.  View the cats through the 
smoke and smudge them too.  (And I love the smell.)

Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  You aren't nuts.  I have too many 
friends who smudge (use sage the way you described).  It is common in Native 
American cultures and even some Christian religions (using incense at  funerals 
etc).  It is definitely worth the effort---most of my friends try to get white 
sage and it has a wonderful odor.
   
  They also believe in burning candles of various colors.  I think green 
attracts health.a Google search for the meaning of candle colors would 
give this information.
   
  If nothing else, you may feel like you are doing something.  And that may 
make you feel better.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
  From: tamara stickler 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM
  Subject: RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me
  

I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away 
whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem???

"Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Tamara --
   
  This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am 
totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that 
respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any case, unless 
someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job 
at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!  
   
  Diane R.


-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  
  Kelly,
   
  Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.
   
  I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
  Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When you 
deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  
   
  Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects & contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.
   
  Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our
 office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot 
into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the unexplainable is 
raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained."
   
  Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside 
of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
   
  God Bless, Good luck,
  T
 
On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is the toll 
so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey -

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Susan Dubose]

As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a short timeframe is not a 
normal rate of death.

It is exceesively high.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
>
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo!
>


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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret 
Meade ~~~





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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Marylyn]

You aren't nuts.  I have too many friends who smudge (use sage the way you 
described).  It is common in Native American cultures and even some Christian 
religions (using incense at  funerals etc).  It is definitely worth the 
effort---most of my friends try to get white sage and it has a wonderful odor.

They also believe in burning candles of various colors.  I think green attracts 
health.a Google search for the meaning of candle colors would give this 
information.

If nothing else, you may feel like you are doing something.  And that may make 
you feel better.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: tamara stickler 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM
  Subject: RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away 
whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem???

  "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Tamara --

This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am 
totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that 
respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any case, unless 
someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job 
at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!  

Diane R.




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara 
stickler
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
    To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
    Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Kelly,

Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.

I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When 
you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  

Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects & contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.

Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our office 
whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot into our 
office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the unexplainable is raining down on 
you, try remedies that can't be explained."

Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, 
outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.

God Bless, Good luck,
T
 
  On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered 
but is now dying, they think cancer.

Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or 
is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better

RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[tamara stickler]

I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away 
whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem???

"Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Tamara --
   
  This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am 
totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that 
respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any case, unless 
someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job 
at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!  
   
  Diane R.


-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  
  Kelly,
   
  Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.
   
  I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
  Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When you 
deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  
   
  Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects & contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.
   
  Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our
 office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot 
into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the unexplainable is 
raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained."
   
  Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside 
of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
   
  God Bless, Good luck,
  T
 
On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is the toll 
so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
   
  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is 
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
   
  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to 
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
   
  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
   
  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
   
  All tested neg/neg for FELV.
   
  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please 
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties. 

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet 
with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! 




-- 
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, 
or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one 
life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
---Ralph Waldo Emerson 

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[wendy]

Hi Kelley,

I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know what to
tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing the
deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I am
wondering since you do shelter work if four cats out
of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given the
circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely to be
found when rescued with already compromised immune
systems).  I don't know much about shelter work, so
others with experience will hopefully help you.

Please keep us posted.
:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the toll so far from this year, not
> including kittens.
> 
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for
> AIHA.
> 
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
> apparently recovered but
> is now dying, they think cancer.
> 
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No
> one knows what was or is
> wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
> brain cancer, toxo.
> 
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't
> know how I am going to
> pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
> 
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
> dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
> 
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
> 
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
> 
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos
> and leadsomeone please
> help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
> 
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> 
> Please help Caroline!
> 
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
> 
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
> 
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just
> by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo!
> 


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



   

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tools to get online.
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RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Tamara --
 
This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I
am totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature
that respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any
case, unless someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular
substance is for the job at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!  
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara
stickler
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


Kelly,
 
Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so
ill.
 
I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as
are your cats.
Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When
you deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or
later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch:
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  
 
Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects &
contracts, dead beat clients, poor communication between the project
manager and the prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a
project manager who stalked around screaming at people like a
skitzoid-harpie.
 
Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving
a solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her
explanation, to which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she
moved the sage to the door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an
"x" across the door frame, tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above
the door jamb.  Not five minutes later, our Harpie-isc manager comes
flying into the common area outside our office, in a rage heading our
way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at us, and I SWEAR, she
stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked around all
confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why she
had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our
office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped
foot into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the
unexplainable is raining down on you, try remedies that can't be
explained."
 
Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time,
outside of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
 
God Bless, Good luck,
T
 

On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

This is the toll so far from this year, not including
kittens.
 
Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
 
Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet,
apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
 
Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one
knows what was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better),
brain cancer, toxo.
 
Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know
how I am going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
 
They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive
dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
 
Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
 
All tested neg/neg for FELV.
 
Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and
leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my
cats

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org <http://www.rescuties.org/> 

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties. 

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by
searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com
<http://www.goodsearch.com/> - powered by Yahoo! 




-- 
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[tamara stickler]

Kelly,
   
  Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.
   
  I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
  Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When you 
deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
"what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing".  
   
  Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects & contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.
   
  Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. ("Chases away bad vibes/spirits" was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' "ok, SHE'S nuts!")  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, ("pushing everything bad out"), she drew an "x" across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her "cleansing" of our
 office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot 
into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: "When the unexplainable is 
raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained."
   
  Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside 
of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
   
  God Bless, Good luck,
  T
 
On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is the toll 
so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
   
  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is 
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
   
  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to 
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
   
  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
   
  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
   
  All tested neg/neg for FELV.
   
  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please 
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties. 

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet 
with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! 




-- 
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, 
or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one 
life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
---Ralph Waldo Emerson 

   
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Building a website is a piece of cake. 
Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Kelley Saveika]

Hideyo,

They eat Diamond Naturals Indoor Cat, which is not the best, but contains no
wheat gluten.  It isn't the worst either.

They also eat Evo canned when I can afford it, which isn't always.

I don't think it is the food, or anything like that..it is only affecting
cats 5-12 yo.

The kittens are ok.


On 6/27/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 How about the food?  What do the eat? Was any of their food related to
recall food?

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:54 PM
*Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the
sheltr.  I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia.  I
use bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets.

I try to use simple green when I think it will work.

The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5  year
old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*.  3 of them were
owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very
friendly.  A great staff favaprote at T:AC

I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system.


On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  No decks or fences?  Here they tried to use treated wood (the new
> version) in the walls where it touched the concrete.
>
> Any insecticides?  Termite/roach/ants stuff?  Any cleaning solutions?
> Bleaches?
>
> I'm not picking at you.  Please don't think that.  I know of other cases
> where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many
> times we never find out what.  Consider that there appears to be an increase
> in cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now
> in our food, water, homes.
>
> If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her.  The ones
> I know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to
> science and the scientific method, just can't.  Mine have convinced me that
> even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats.  They
> have the ability to see as a cat.  It is much like baby-proofing a house.
> You get 6 inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc.
>
> You mentioned carpet.  Consider what you use to clean it and whether it
> is outgassing.  I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a
> scratching post (very good carpet remnant).  It has been on the porch rail
> for 3 months outgassing.  Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it
> will never make it into the house again.  I am just trying to see how long
> it takes the odor to go away.   Again, I am not picking at you.  This awful
> set of events may be something entirely within the cars.  I had 2 unrelated
> female cats several months apart die.  I trapped them and had them spayed at
> different local vets.  One had every test done before she was spayed.  The
> other had just the basics done.  Both appeared extremely healthy.  Both were
> fine the night before they died but both died the third day.  I was so
> totally broken up that I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was
> going on.  Without an autopsy (animal version) no one could be sure but he
> couldn't come up with anything.  One could easily have had undetected heart
> problems but both of them???  All of this is to say that sometimes
> things just happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't
> think I am picking at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the
> hope that something might ring true with you.  You have been thru so much.
> Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and whisper an answer.  That is my
> prayer for you.
>
>
>
>
>
>  If you have men who
> will exclude any of God's creatures
>  from the shelter of
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>  will deal likewise with
> their fellow man.
>                       St.
> Francis
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
>
>
> I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of
> it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.
> Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years
> ago...
>
> On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Beth Noren]

Hi Kelley,
I am so sorry for what you are going through.  If it is FIP, maybe you have
a chronic FeCov shedder with a more easily mutating strain?  I know regular
old FeCov is gonna be present in any rescue, but if more than 5-10% of your
cats are getting FIP, maybe a nastier strain is the problem.  Not sure how
possible or practical it is to do the titer testing that Dr. Addie
recommends to identify chronic shedders when it's a rescue and funds and
space are limited.  Can you break up the group at your house into separate
foster homes?  (I know, easier said than done).  Don't know how much a
necropsy runs, maybe do at least one when someone passes with the most
common symptoms that you are seeing in the group?  The dehydration,
anorexia, and weight loss were all present in the kitten that I lost last
summer to suspected FIP, but there was also recurring high fever that became
unresponsive to antibiotics.  (She had the wet form, not dry).  Have any had
their A/G ratio run to help rule FIP in or out?
It may not be FIP at all, maybe it is a horrible coincidence that they got
sick from different things at the same time.  Who knows what kinds of
care and feeding these guys have ever had in their pasts.  Hugs and strength
to you for helping those most in need.

Beth


On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered
but is now dying, they think cancer.

Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.

Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...

All tested neg/neg for FELV.

Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone
please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

How about the food?  What do the eat? Was any of their food related to recall 
food?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the 
sheltr.  I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia.  I use 
bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. 

  I try to use simple green when I think it will work.  

  The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5  year 
old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*.  3 of them were 
owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly.  
A great staff favaprote at T:AC 

  I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system.

   
  On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: 
No decks or fences?  Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) 
in the walls where it touched the concrete.  

Any insecticides?  Termite/roach/ants stuff?  Any cleaning solutions?  
Bleaches?  

I'm not picking at you.  Please don't think that.  I know of other cases 
where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times 
we never find out what.  Consider that there appears to be an increase in 
cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our 
food, water, homes.   

If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her.  The ones I 
know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to 
science and the scientific method, just can't.  Mine have convinced me that 
even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats.  They have 
the ability to see as a cat.  It is much like baby-proofing a house.  You get 6 
inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc.   

You mentioned carpet.  Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is 
outgassing.  I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a 
scratching post (very good carpet remnant).  It has been on the porch rail for 
3 months outgassing.  Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never 
make it into the house again.  I am just trying to see how long it takes the 
odor to go away.   Again, I am not picking at you.  This awful set of events 
may be something entirely within the cars.  I had 2 unrelated female cats 
several months apart die.  I trapped them and had them spayed at different 
local vets.  One had every test done before she was spayed.  The other had just 
the basics done.  Both appeared extremely healthy.  Both were fine the night 
before they died but both died the third day.  I was so totally broken up that 
I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on.  Without an autopsy 
(animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything.  
One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? 
 All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful 
we are and, again, please don't think I am picking at youjust 
throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something might ring true with 
you.  You have been thru so much.  Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and 
whisper an answer.  That is my prayer for you. 





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
      Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

   
  I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, 
vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.  Where 
the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... 


  On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: 
They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some 
uses.  Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a 
dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic 
treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the 
safety of this wood and how no person would eat it.  Tenne

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Marylyn]

Vinegar is supposed to work as well as bleach.  When you use bleach consider 
rinsing an extra time or two.  It should help remove the bleach after it has 
done its job.  If you have the space and litter boxes, leaving them in the 
sun/fresh air after cleaning them may help.  

If you believe it is stress related (again, my thoughts):  Try Rescue Remedy in 
all the water bowls, Feliway spray (this may help with the pee problems too), 
One alternative vet gave me something called Cat Nap (Aromacat---Aromatherapy 
for cats) to help reduce the stress of moving for one of my little friends.  
There are Bach Remedies that help reduce the stress of being abandoned.  White 
Chestnut, Red Chestnut, and Sweet Chestnut come to mind but I am no expert.  I 
pick up the phone or email when I have problems.  My little friends have all 
been abandoned or were/are feral and stress has been a major issue with them.   
I freely use animal communicators and have had wonderful luck reducing stress 
in them.  This may be to far out for you.  It is for a lot of people.  I am 
just struggling to come up with things that have worked for me or for others I 
know.  New thought:  Someone, either on this list or a stomatitis list, had 
wonderful results with Just Born.  I am not sure what the circumstances were 
but the colostrum in it might help boost the immune system, especially for the 
very young ones.  I use the powdered in Dixie's food frequently just for the 
added nutrients. 



 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the 
sheltr.  I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia.  I use 
bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. 

  I try to use simple green when I think it will work.  

  The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5  year 
old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*.  3 of them were 
owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly.  
A great staff favaprote at T:AC 

  I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system.

   
  On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
No decks or fences?  Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) 
in the walls where it touched the concrete.  

Any insecticides?  Termite/roach/ants stuff?  Any cleaning solutions?  
Bleaches?  

I'm not picking at you.  Please don't think that.  I know of other cases 
where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times 
we never find out what.  Consider that there appears to be an increase in 
cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our 
food, water, homes.   

If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her.  The ones I 
know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to 
science and the scientific method, just can't.  Mine have convinced me that 
even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats.  They have 
the ability to see as a cat.  It is much like baby-proofing a house.  You get 6 
inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc.   

You mentioned carpet.  Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is 
outgassing.  I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a 
scratching post (very good carpet remnant).  It has been on the porch rail for 
3 months outgassing.  Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never 
make it into the house again.  I am just trying to see how long it takes the 
odor to go away.   Again, I am not picking at you.  This awful set of events 
may be something entirely within the cars.  I had 2 unrelated female cats 
several months apart die.  I trapped them and had them spayed at different 
local vets.  One had every test done before she was spayed.  The other had just 
the basics done.  Both appeared extremely healthy.  Both were fine the night 
before they died but both died the third day.  I was so totally broken up that 
I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on.  Without an autopsy 
(animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything.  
One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? 
 All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful 
we are

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Marylyn]

On the over vaccination thought:  There are homeopathic remedies that lessen 
the effects of vaccination.  Homeopathy is a legitimate area of medicine used a 
lot in Europe (like acupuncture is used widely in Asia and not here).  I don't 
know much about it but my alternative vets do and I depend on them a lot.  FYI: 
 My regular vets sent me to one of them so, while they can't explain why some 
of the things work, they know they do and are open to anything that does no 
harm.  I have wonderful regular vets.   I know I write about alternative vets a 
lot but I really believe in them, especially when circumstances are as bad as 
yours and your heart is tearing apart.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  Kelley
  I am so sorry that you are experiencing this assault. It must be
  so difficult and so stressful.

  Our animals are often victims of what we have done to our
  environment (pesticides, herbicides, chemicals etc) and
  over vaccination and feeding poor quality food. It has been going on for too 
many years,
  and it seems that our animals are battling many more cancers and disease, and 
living
  shorter lives as a result.

  What's happening to your kitties may have more to do with the genetics that 
they
  were dealt, rather than your environment or their care.

  Jane

  On Jun 27, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, 
vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.  Where 
the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... 

On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They did until a couple of 
years ago and it is still available for some uses.  Two/three years ago, after 
it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted 
me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, 
sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person 
would eat it.  Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I 
rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood.  (There is a lot more 
to that story...if you ever consider using them email me personally and you 
won't consider it for long).   Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the 
plants, water etc.  It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR 
ties that are used for landscape timbers.   Power poles and telephone poles as 
well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated.  They 
certainly weren't removed.   There are questions about the current "accepted" 
treated woods.  Please remember how long the arsenic treated was considered 
safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, 
please have it checked.



   
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. 
Francis


- Original Message -

From: Leslie Lawther 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM

    Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


 
Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?

On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Check for arsenic as in 
treated lumber...decks, play areas etc.  Even wood used in a basement.   



   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
St. 
Francis

- Original Message -

From: Kelley Saveika 

To: felvtalk 

    Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Kelley Saveika]

I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the
sheltr.  I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia.  I
use bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets.

I try to use simple green when I think it will work.

The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5  year
old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*.  3 of them were
owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very
friendly.  A great staff favaprote at T:AC

I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system.


On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 No decks or fences?  Here they tried to use treated wood (the new
version) in the walls where it touched the concrete.

Any insecticides?  Termite/roach/ants stuff?  Any cleaning solutions?
Bleaches?

I'm not picking at you.  Please don't think that.  I know of other cases
where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many
times we never find out what.  Consider that there appears to be an increase
in cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now
in our food, water, homes.

If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her.  The ones I
know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to
science and the scientific method, just can't.  Mine have convinced me that
even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats.  They
have the ability to see as a cat.  It is much like baby-proofing a house.
You get 6 inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc.

You mentioned carpet.  Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is
outgassing.  I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a
scratching post (very good carpet remnant).  It has been on the porch rail
for 3 months outgassing.  Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it
will never make it into the house again.  I am just trying to see how long
it takes the odor to go away.   Again, I am not picking at you.  This awful
set of events may be something entirely within the cars.  I had 2 unrelated
female cats several months apart die.  I trapped them and had them spayed at
different local vets.  One had every test done before she was spayed.  The
other had just the basics done.  Both appeared extremely healthy.  Both were
fine the night before they died but both died the third day.  I was so
totally broken up that I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was
going on.  Without an autopsy (animal version) no one could be sure but he
couldn't come up with anything.  One could easily have had undetected heart
problems but both of them???  All of this is to say that sometimes
things just happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't
think I am picking at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the
hope that something might ring true with you.  You have been thru so much.
Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and whisper an answer.  That is my
prayer for you.





 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM
*Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it,
vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.
Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years
ago...

On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some
> uses.  Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a
> dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic
> treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding
> the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it.  Tennessee Log Homes
> had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re
> arsenic treated wood.  (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever
> consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for
> long).   Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc.
> It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are
> used for landscape timbers.   Power poles and telephone poles as well as
> fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated.  They
> certainly weren't remove

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Marylyn]

No decks or fences?  Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) in 
the walls where it touched the concrete.  

Any insecticides?  Termite/roach/ants stuff?  Any cleaning solutions?  
Bleaches?  

I'm not picking at you.  Please don't think that.  I know of other cases where 
things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times we 
never find out what.  Consider that there appears to be an increase in cancers 
among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our food, 
water, homes.  

If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her.  The ones I know 
can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to science and 
the scientific method, just can't.  Mine have convinced me that even the little 
blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats.  They have the ability to 
see as a cat.  It is much like baby-proofing a house.  You get 6 inches from 
everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc.   

You mentioned carpet.  Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is 
outgassing.  I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a 
scratching post (very good carpet remnant).  It has been on the porch rail for 
3 months outgassing.  Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never 
make it into the house again.  I am just trying to see how long it takes the 
odor to go away.   Again, I am not picking at you.  This awful set of events 
may be something entirely within the cars.  I had 2 unrelated female cats 
several months apart die.  I trapped them and had them spayed at different 
local vets.  One had every test done before she was spayed.  The other had just 
the basics done.  Both appeared extremely healthy.  Both were fine the night 
before they died but both died the third day.  I was so totally broken up that 
I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on.  Without an autopsy 
(animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything.  
One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? 
 All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful 
we are and, again, please don't think I am picking at youjust 
throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something might ring true with 
you.  You have been thru so much.  Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and 
whisper an answer.  That is my prayer for you. 





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, 
vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.  Where 
the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... 


  On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some 
uses.  Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a 
dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic 
treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the 
safety of this wood and how no person would eat it.  Tennessee Log Homes had a 
dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic 
treated wood.  (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider 
using them email me personally and you won't consider it for long).   Arsenic 
leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc.  It is also used in 
some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape 
timbers.   Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a 
couple of years old are probably treated.  They certainly weren't removed.   
There are questions about the current "accepted" treated woods.  Please 
remember how long the arsenic treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a 
tree-hugger but please, with that many illnesses, please have it checked. 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Mess

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[elizabeth trent]

I wish I knew what to tell youit may not be anything in your environment
at all.  I feel so bad for you.

elizabeth


On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I had the outside sprayed for termites 2 years ago, and the inside sprayed
for ants 3 years ago...

On 6/27/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Do you have your house sprayed with pesticides?
>
> elizabeth
>
>
> On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of
> > it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.
> > Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years
> > ago...
> >
> > On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > >  They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for
> > > some uses.  Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in 
houses,
> > > a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained 
arsenic
> > > treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email 
regarding
> > > the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it.  Tennessee Log 
Homes
> > > had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re
> > > arsenic treated wood.  (There is a lot more to that story...if you 
ever
> > > consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for
> > > long).   Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc.
> > > It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are
> > > used for landscape timbers.   Power poles and telephone poles as well as
> > > fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated.  They
> > > certainly weren't removed.   There are questions about the current
> > > "accepted" treated woods.  Please remember how long the arsenic treated 
was
> > > considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that 
many
> > > illnesses, please have it checked.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  If you have men who
> > > will exclude any of God's creatures
> > >  from the shelter of
> > > compassion and pity, you will have men who
> > >  will deal likewise
> > > with their fellow man.
> > >
> > > St. Francis
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > *From:* Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
> > >
> > >
> > > *Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?*
> > >
> > > On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas
> > > > etc.  Even wood used in a basement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  If you have men
> > > > who will exclude any of God's creatures
> > > >  from the shelter
> > > > of compassion and pity, you will have men who
> > > >  will deal
> > > > likewise with their fellow man.
> > > >
> > > > St. Francis
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > *To:* felvtalk 
> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM
> > > > *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
> > > >
> > > > Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
> > > >
> > > > Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently
> > > > recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
> > > >
> > > > Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what
> > > > was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer,
> > > >

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Kelley Saveika]

I had the outside sprayed for termites 2 years ago, and the inside sprayed
for ants 3 years ago...

On 6/27/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Do you have your house sprayed with pesticides?

elizabeth


On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of
> it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.
> Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years
> ago...
>
> On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >  They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for
> > some uses.  Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses,
> > a dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic
> > treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding
> > the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it.  Tennessee Log Homes
> > had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re
> > arsenic treated wood.  (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever
> > consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for
> > long).   Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc.
> > It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are
> > used for landscape timbers.   Power poles and telephone poles as well as
> > fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated.  They
> > certainly weren't removed.   There are questions about the current
> > "accepted" treated woods.  Please remember how long the arsenic treated was
> > considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many
> > illnesses, please have it checked.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  If you have men who
> > will exclude any of God's creatures
> >  from the shelter of
> > compassion and pity, you will have men who
> >  will deal likewise
> > with their fellow man.
> >                       St.
> > Francis
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
> >
> >
> > *Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?*
> >
> > On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > >  Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas
> > > etc.  Even wood used in a basement.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  If you have men who
> > > will exclude any of God's creatures
> > >          from the shelter of
> > > compassion and pity, you will have men who
> > >  will deal likewise
> > > with their fellow man.
> > >
> > > St. Francis
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > *To:* felvtalk 
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM
> > > *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me
> > >
> > >
> > > This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
> > >
> > > Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
> > >
> > > Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently
> > > recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
> > >
> > > Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was
> > > or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
> > >
> > > Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am
> > > going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
> > >
> > > They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin
> > > tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
> > >
> > > Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
> > >
> > > All tested neg/neg for FELV.
> > >
> > > Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and
> > > leadsomeone please help me...

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[elizabeth trent]

Do you have your house sprayed with pesticides?

elizabeth


On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it,
vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.
Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years
ago...

On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some
> uses.  Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a
> dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic
> treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding
> the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it.  Tennessee Log Homes
> had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re
> arsenic treated wood.  (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever
> consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for
> long).   Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc.
> It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are
> used for landscape timbers.   Power poles and telephone poles as well as
> fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated.  They
> certainly weren't removed.   There are questions about the current
> "accepted" treated woods.  Please remember how long the arsenic treated was
> considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many
> illnesses, please have it checked.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  If you have men who
> will exclude any of God's creatures
>  from the shelter of
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>  will deal likewise with
> their fellow man.
>   St.
> Francis
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
>
>
> *Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?*
>
> On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >  Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc.
> > Even wood used in a basement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  If you have men who
> > will exclude any of God's creatures
> >  from the shelter of
> > compassion and pity, you will have men who
> >  will deal likewise
> > with their fellow man.
> >       St.
> > Francis
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *To:* felvtalk 
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM
> > *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me
> >
> >
> > This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
> >
> > Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
> >
> > Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently
> > recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
> >
> > Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was
> > or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
> >
> > Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am
> > going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
> >
> > They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin
> > tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
> >
> > Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
> >
> > All tested neg/neg for FELV.
> >
> > Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone
> > please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
> >
> > --
> > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> >
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> >
> > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> >
> > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> >
> > Please help Caroline!
> >
> > http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
> >
> > I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
> >
> > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
> > Internet with GoodSearch - www.g

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Jane Lyons]

Kelley
I am so sorry that you are experiencing this assault. It must be
so difficult and so stressful.

Our animals are often victims of what we have done to our
environment (pesticides, herbicides, chemicals etc) and
over vaccination and feeding poor quality food.  It has been going on 
for too many years,
and it seems that our animals are battling many more cancers and 
disease, and living

shorter lives as a result.

What's happening to your kitties may have more to do with the genetics 
that they

were dealt, rather than your environment or their care.

Jane

On Jun 27, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of 
it, vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som 
eplaces.  Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but 
that was 3 years ago...


On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They did until a 
couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses.  
Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a 
dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained 
arsenic treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful 
email regarding the safety of this wood and how no person would eat 
it.  Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was very unhappy when I 
rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood.  (There is a 
lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email me 
personally and you won't consider it for long).   Arsenic leaches into 
the soil and poisons the plants, water etc.  It is also used in some 
fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape 
timbers.   Power poles and telephone poles as well as fence posts more 
than a couple of years old are probably treated.  They certainly 
weren't removed.   There are questions about the current "accepted" 
treated woods.  Please remember how long the arsenic treated was 
considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that 
many illnesses, please have it checked.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis



- Original Message -
From: Leslie Lawther
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

 
Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?

On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Check for 
arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc.  Even wood 
used in a basement.   

 
 
 
 
 
 
 If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
  
St. Francis

- Original Message -
From: Kelley Saveika
To: felvtalk
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Something is killing my cats, please help me

 
This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
 
Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
 
Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently 
recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.

 
Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what 
was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain 
cancer, toxo.

 
Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am 
going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

 
They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration 
(skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

 
Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
 
All tested neg/neg for FELV.
 
Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and 
leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my 
cats


--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

 http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching 
the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by 
Yahoo!



--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a 
garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have 
succeeded.  That only one life breathed easier because you lived - 
that is success.

---Ralph Waldo Emerson



--
Rescuties - 

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Kelley Saveika]

I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it,
vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.
Where the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years
ago...

On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some
uses.  Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a
dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic
treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding
the safety of this wood and how no person would eat it.  Tennessee Log Homes
had a dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re
arsenic treated wood.  (There is a lot more to that story...if you ever
consider using them email me personally and you won't consider it for
long).   Arsenic leaches into the soil and poisons the plants, water etc.
It is also used in some fencing and creosote is used in RR ties that are
used for landscape timbers.   Power poles and telephone poles as well as
fence posts more than a couple of years old are probably treated.  They
certainly weren't removed.   There are questions about the current
"accepted" treated woods.  Please remember how long the arsenic treated was
considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with that many
illnesses, please have it checked.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


*Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?*

On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc.
> Even wood used in a basement.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  If you have men who
> will exclude any of God's creatures
>  from the shelter of
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>  will deal likewise with
> their fellow man.
>   St.
> Francis
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM
> *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me
>
>
> This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
>
> Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
>
> Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered
> but is now dying, they think cancer.
>
> Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or
> is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
>
> Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going
> to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
>
> They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin
> tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
>
> Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
>
> All tested neg/neg for FELV.
>
> Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone
> please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Caroline!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
>
>


--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson





--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Marylyn]

They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some uses.  
Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a dealer for 
BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic treated lumber 
and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the safety of this 
wood and how no person would eat it.  Tennessee Log Homes had a dealer who was 
very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic treated wood.  
(There is a lot more to that story...if you ever consider using them email 
me personally and you won't consider it for long).   Arsenic leaches into the 
soil and poisons the plants, water etc.  It is also used in some fencing and 
creosote is used in RR ties that are used for landscape timbers.   Power poles 
and telephone poles as well as fence posts more than a couple of years old are 
probably treated.  They certainly weren't removed.   There are questions about 
the current "accepted" treated woods.  Please remember how long the arsenic 
treated was considered safe.Obviously I am a tree-hugger but please, with 
that many illnesses, please have it checked.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Leslie Lawther 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?


  On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc.  Even 
wood used in a basement.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM
      Subject: Something is killing my cats, please help me

   
  This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered 
but is now dying, they think cancer.

  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or 
is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.

  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going 
to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...

  All tested neg/neg for FELV.

  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone 
please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

  -- 
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

  Please help Caroline!

  http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

  I GoodSearch for Rescuties. 

  Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the 
Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! 



  -- 
  Leslie =^..^=

  To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden 
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only 
one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
  ---Ralph Waldo Emerson 

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Leslie Lawther]

*Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?*

On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc.  Even
wood used in a basement.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk 
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM
*Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me


This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered
but is now dying, they think cancer.

Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.

Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...

All tested neg/neg for FELV.

Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone
please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!





--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Leslie Lawther]

*Oh dear God Kelley... I'm so sorry you are dealing with all of this.  I
can imagine how frantic you must be.  Are you feeling sick at all?  Are you
using any cleaning supplies that might be causing illness?  Are you living
in an older house that might have issues like this?  I wish I had some good
solid advice, but unfortunately until tests are run, we would all just be
speculating.  Please know we'll all be praying for you and your kitties...
positive thoughts and energy certainly can't hurt!!*
*Leslie =^..^=*


On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered
but is now dying, they think cancer.

Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.

Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...

All tested neg/neg for FELV.

Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone
please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!





--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Marylyn]

Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc.  Even wood 
used in a basement.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM
  Subject: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.

  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is 
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.

  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to 
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...

  All tested neg/neg for FELV.

  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please 
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

  -- 
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

  Please help Caroline!

  http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

  I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

  Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the 
Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! 

Something is killing my cats, please help me

[Kelley Saveika]

This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but
is now dying, they think cancer.

Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.

Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...

All tested neg/neg for FELV.

Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!