Re: fever question

[Lernermichelle]

 
so far, knock on wood, she is still eating, on the pred. She will only eat  
baby food, but I add stuff to it.  She eats between 3 and 4 jars a day,  which 
should be enough calories. I think she ate less today than yesterday, but  I 
just ran out and she licked the last of it clean, so can't be sure.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/31/2007 11:57:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Anyway,  I hope you can get some pills to use at home to give Lucy a 
boost..It will be  well worth it..and maybe if she can eat some more she will 
feel 
better as  Bandy always did..


 

Re: fever question

[Kerry Roach]

Bandy got dex injections in the beginning as often as twice a week, but then 
when we realized the fevers were going to be on going, I got the pills...which 
wasn't as strong as the injectable.  They were worried he would develope 
diabetis, but I wanted him to be able to eat and feel good...the dex did this 
for him..I always thought and believed that it was more important that he ate 
good and got all of his supps in his food...if diabetis came along then we 
would deal with that if it happened...He  never had any type of infection 
though such as URI or UTI or anything else...almost his worse problem was the 
ringworm until the last week...His dex pills were only .75mg...and I could keep 
his temp down as long as 8 to 10 days with them..The shots work much faster...I 
remember taking him to the vet with 106+ temp..he was out of it...but when we 
would leave and only get 2 blocks away, he was up looking out the window 
enjoying the ride...Anyway, I hope you can get some pills to use
 at home to give Lucy a boost..It will be well worth it..and maybe if she can 
eat some more she will feel better as Bandy always did..
  Our prayers are with you,
  Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky
   
  I forgot to mention that when Inky has a really bad flare with the IBD, I 
give him 1/4 dex and that works great for him..I do it for a couple of days 
then put him back on the pred..He is on 10mg pred, I guess for long term now..

 
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RE: fever question

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I think Nina's spencer was that way - very weak but became very active
due to steroid - Michelle - I don't mean to keep bugging you about this
- but try not to focus on what you may not have.. but focus on what you
have - Luch is still alive and here with you.. don't let fear or
uncertainty take over the time you have with Michelle - the time is
wasted that way.. when my feeling with filled with guilt, sadness,
anger, fear with losing my babies, my AC suggested that I read the book
called "comfortable with uncertainty", which I ordered, but never showed
up for some reason.. but it will guide you through to find peace in your
mind no matter how uncertain the future is.. but focus on today, right
now.. and maximize the joy of what you have right nowas no one.. no
one can control what will happen even 1 minute from now..

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: fever question

 

Yesterday she was laying around not moving much. So far this morning she
has climbed a 6 foot tall cat tree, gone outside, gone on the kitchen
table, and come upstairs for the first time in a week.  That is the
steroids. She has a very large belly even after draining and a back bone
sticking out and her membranes are white.  I am giving her epogen and
feline interferon and hoping for a miracle, but probably she does not
have long enough to worry much about long term steroid effects. I am
happy she feels more like herself.

Michelle

 

In a message dated 1/30/2007 10:12:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I worry about so much steroid overtime because although cats can
tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a point where they cannot
help but begin to acquire the side-effects.  I'm not advising -- just
generally wanting to understand. 

 

 

Re: fever question

[elizabeth trent]

I'm glad she is having a good day - I know every day is precious.  I am
hoping for the best too, Michelle.  Please give her a kiss from me.

elizabeth


On 1/31/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Yesterday she was laying around not moving much. So far this morning she
has climbed a 6 foot tall cat tree, gone outside, gone on the kitchen table,
and come upstairs for the first time in a week.  That is the steroids. She
has a very large belly even after draining and a back bone sticking out and
her membranes are white.  I am giving her epogen and feline interferon and
hoping for a miracle, but probably she does not have long enough to worry
much about long term steroid effects. I am happy she feels more like
herself.
Michelle

In a message dated 1/30/2007 10:12:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I worry about so much steroid overtime because although cats can tolerate
far more than dogs...there is still a point where they cannot help but begin
to acquire the side-effects.  I'm not advising -- just generally wanting to
understand.

Re: fever question

[Lernermichelle]

 
Yesterday she was laying around not moving much. So far this morning she  has 
climbed a 6 foot tall cat tree, gone outside, gone on the kitchen table, and  
come upstairs for the first time in a week.  That is the steroids. She has  a 
very large belly even after draining and a back bone sticking out and her  
membranes are white.  I am giving her epogen and feline interferon and  hoping 
for a miracle, but probably she does not have long enough to worry much  about 
long term steroid effects. I am happy she feels more like herself.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/30/2007 10:12:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I worry about so much steroid overtime because although cats can tolerate  
far more than dogs...there is still a point where they cannot help but begin  
to 
acquire the side-effects.  I'm not advising -- just generally wanting  to 
understand. 
 



 

Re: fever question

[Lernermichelle]

 
cats handle steroids better than humans and dogs do. and when they are  
terminal it can be the only thing that makes them feel better. 
 
And dexamethasone always seemed to bring Kerry's Bandy's fevers right  down.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/30/2007 11:42:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have severe asthma so I feel like I know a little bit about  steroids.  
Steroids can reduce inflammation while not fighting fever- and  at the same 
time 
leaving the body unable to properly fight off  infection -- that was really my 
point in this.  
 
Long term steroid use can have devastating effects on a body...including  
osteoporosis, bruising, cataracts...dexamethasone gives me acid reflux so bad  
that it shoots up and burn the insides of my sinuses (TMI -  sorry).  Cushing's 
syndrome is terrible -- caused by  long-term steroid use.  NSAIDs work by a 
different mechanism on  inflammation...their long-term side effects are quite 
different...and their  effects to surpress fever are quite different.  (one 
dose 
of aspirin or  advil will send me straight to ER - believe me - they work 
differently) 
 
I am painfully aware of the necessary evil of steroids - I am living  
proof...being able to breathe is something I find to be pretty important...but  
I 
respectfully do not believe that steroids reduce fever.  Non-steroidal  
anti-inflammatories (such as ibuprophen and aspirin and naproxin-sodium)  
do...but 
corticosteroids do not reduce fever and can, infact, leave the body  more 
susceptible to conditions that cause fever.  
 
elizabeth



 

Re: fever question

[elizabeth trent]

let me clarify also -- i'm not saying that steroids are not important...just
that they don't reduce fever.  i think what prompted me to say that was
Michelle saying that Lucy's fever was up and that she didn't think it should
be in light of the steroids...i was just questioning that because i don't
think steroids do anything to reduce fever.  (all good thoughts and love to
Lucy and Michelle)

Speaking of TMI, severe asthma, and steroids...let me just happily say that
this is day 31 nicotine-free for me after 30-something years of nicotine
addiction.  This is the most difficult thing I have ever had to do but I am
wheeze-free and breathing like a champ with no steroids.

hangin' tough in alabama,
elizabeth


On 1/30/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have severe asthma so I feel like I know a little bit about steroids.
Steroids can reduce inflammation while not fighting fever- and at the same
time leaving the body unable to properly fight off infection -- that was
really my point in this.

Long term steroid use can have devastating effects on a body...including
osteoporosis, bruising, cataracts...dexamethasone gives me acid reflux so
bad that it shoots up and burn the insides of my sinuses (TMI -
sorry).  Cushing's syndrome is terrible -- caused by long-term steroid use.
NSAIDs work by a different mechanism on inflammation...their long-term side
effects are quite different...and their effects to surpress fever are quite
different.  (one dose of aspirin or advil will send me straight to ER -
believe me - they work differently)

I am painfully aware of the necessary evil of steroids - I am living
proof...being able to breathe is something I find to be pretty
important...but I respectfully do not believe that steroids reduce fever.
Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories (such as ibuprophen and aspirin and
naproxin-sodium) do...but corticosteroids do not reduce fever and can,
infact, leave the body more susceptible to conditions that cause fever.

elizabeth



On 1/30/07, Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 07:32 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:
>
> guess i gave too simple of an answer, the body reacts to a variety of
> assaults, Inflammation is one method  as is fever..it is an immune response
> to anything from pollen, insect bites, bacteria etc,,,Steroids suppress the
> immune system, It is a complicated chain of events, regardless, when the
> immune system is suppressed it cannot respond in the normal manner of
> swelling/ inflammation. fever/ pruritis..etc,,,To some degree that is what
> you are doing when you take mortrin or Aspirin,  In life threatening
> circumstances the danger of the immune response, be it a bad case of hives,
> or dangerous swelling that can impede breathing is far more dangerous that
> the underlying cause so  saving the patient is far more important, the under
> tying cause if often never discovered,
> the risk of long term side effects is minuscule compared to the
> immediate risks. Asthmatics regularly take steroids, and after many years
> MAY develop side effects such as diabetes or weight gain, But without the
> steroids dying  from an asthmatic attack is the
> real danger. People with Chrones disease owe their life to steroids as
> do pregnant women in pre term labor, Women are given betamethasone during
> the end of their pregnancy to help the  fetus's lungs mature so if they are
> born early they can survive, Decadron ( a steroid) saved my son during a
> severe case of MONO as his throat was swelling so bad he could not breathe,
> I think people are too afraid of steroids, In a kitten or puppy you want
> to reduce the length of time on steroids as they are very young, but they
> are life saving. They work in auto immune diseases like a miracle, My cat
> with pemphigus and dog with auto immune hemolytic anemia owed their life to
> steroids,
> Kelly
>
>
> Respectfully, I am not convinced that all fever is caused by
> inflammation.  Some of the worst fevers I've had were while on major doses
> of corticosteroids.
>
> elizabeth
>
>
> On 1/30/07, *Kelly L* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  At 07:11 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:
>
>
> Steroids are anti inflammatories, the fever is called by inflammation
> ,,hence the steroids reduce fevers, swelling and inflammation.
> Kelly
>
>
>
>  Michelle,
> I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through.  I've been keeping
> up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't feel I have
> anything to add.
>
> What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely to
> have fever.  Corticosteroids make the body less able to fight off
> infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to lower fever
> - I just wondered how that works...?  I have a lot of experience with those
> drugs, unfortunately, since I have asthma...and an unfortunately also very
> familiar with their side-effects.  I worry about so much steroid overtime
> because although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a
> poin

Re: fever question

[elizabeth trent]

I have severe asthma so I feel like I know a little bit about steroids.
Steroids can reduce inflammation while not fighting fever- and at the same
time leaving the body unable to properly fight off infection -- that was
really my point in this.

Long term steroid use can have devastating effects on a body...including
osteoporosis, bruising, cataracts...dexamethasone gives me acid reflux so
bad that it shoots up and burn the insides of my sinuses (TMI -
sorry).  Cushing's syndrome is terrible -- caused by long-term steroid use.
NSAIDs work by a different mechanism on inflammation...their long-term side
effects are quite different...and their effects to surpress fever are quite
different.  (one dose of aspirin or advil will send me straight to ER -
believe me - they work differently)

I am painfully aware of the necessary evil of steroids - I am living
proof...being able to breathe is something I find to be pretty
important...but I respectfully do not believe that steroids reduce fever.
Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories (such as ibuprophen and aspirin and
naproxin-sodium) do...but corticosteroids do not reduce fever and can,
infact, leave the body more susceptible to conditions that cause fever.

elizabeth



On 1/30/07, Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


At 07:32 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:

guess i gave too simple of an answer, the body reacts to a variety of
assaults, Inflammation is one method  as is fever..it is an immune response
to anything from pollen, insect bites, bacteria etc,,,Steroids suppress the
immune system, It is a complicated chain of events, regardless, when the
immune system is suppressed it cannot respond in the normal manner of
swelling/ inflammation. fever/ pruritis..etc,,,To some degree that is what
you are doing when you take mortrin or Aspirin,  In life threatening
circumstances the danger of the immune response, be it a bad case of hives,
or dangerous swelling that can impede breathing is far more dangerous that
the underlying cause so  saving the patient is far more important, the under
tying cause if often never discovered,
the risk of long term side effects is minuscule compared to the immediate
risks. Asthmatics regularly take steroids, and after many years MAY develop
side effects such as diabetes or weight gain, But without the steroids
dying  from an asthmatic attack is the
real danger. People with Chrones disease owe their life to steroids as do
pregnant women in pre term labor, Women are given betamethasone during the
end of their pregnancy to help the  fetus's lungs mature so if they are born
early they can survive, Decadron ( a steroid) saved my son during a severe
case of MONO as his throat was swelling so bad he could not breathe,
I think people are too afraid of steroids, In a kitten or puppy you want
to reduce the length of time on steroids as they are very young, but they
are life saving. They work in auto immune diseases like a miracle, My cat
with pemphigus and dog with auto immune hemolytic anemia owed their life to
steroids,
Kelly


Respectfully, I am not convinced that all fever is caused by
inflammation.  Some of the worst fevers I've had were while on major doses
of corticosteroids.

elizabeth


On 1/30/07, *Kelly L* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 At 07:11 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:


Steroids are anti inflammatories, the fever is called by inflammation
,,hence the steroids reduce fevers, swelling and inflammation.
Kelly



 Michelle,
I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through.  I've been keeping
up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't feel I have
anything to add.

What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely to have
fever.  Corticosteroids make the body less able to fight off infection...and
I know that in people they don't do anything to lower fever - I just
wondered how that works...?  I have a lot of experience with those drugs,
unfortunately, since I have asthma...and an unfortunately also very familiar
with their side-effects.  I worry about so much steroid overtime because
although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a point where
they cannot help but begin to acquire the side-effects.  I'm not advising --
just generally wanting to understand.

My thoughts, prayers, and love are with you both,
elizabeth


On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Actually,
she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against her and she
actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is not down in 15
minutes I will give her fluids.   What I don't understand is why she got
another high fever all of a sudden, after so long.  She got more steroids
today than she probably has ever gotten, so she should be less-- much less-
prone to getting a fever today.  Does this mean the fip is getting worse?
Could it somehow be because her fluid got drained today? she is still on a
mega-dose (toxo dosing) of clindamycin, so it should not be that she got an
infection of any kind from that.   dep

Re: fever question

[Kelly L]

At 07:32 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:

guess i gave too simple of an answer, the body reacts to a variety of 
assaults, Inflammation is one method  as is fever..it is an immune 
response to anything from pollen, insect bites, bacteria 
etc,,,Steroids suppress the immune system, It is a complicated chain 
of events, regardless, when the immune system is suppressed it cannot 
respond in the normal manner of swelling/ inflammation. fever/ 
pruritis..etc,,,To some degree that is what you are doing when you 
take mortrin or Aspirin,  In life threatening circumstances the 
danger of the immune response, be it a bad case of hives, or 
dangerous swelling that can impede breathing is far more dangerous 
that the underlying cause so  saving the patient is far more 
important, the under tying cause if often never discovered,
the risk of long term side effects is minuscule compared to the 
immediate risks. Asthmatics regularly take steroids, and after many 
years MAY develop side effects such as diabetes or weight gain, But 
without the steroids dying  from an asthmatic attack is the
real danger. People with Chrones disease owe their life to steroids 
as do pregnant women in pre term labor, Women are given betamethasone 
during the end of their pregnancy to help the  fetus's lungs mature 
so if they are born early they can survive, Decadron ( a steroid) 
saved my son during a severe case of MONO as his throat was swelling 
so bad he could not breathe,
I think people are too afraid of steroids, In a kitten or puppy you 
want to reduce the length of time on steroids as they are very young, 
but they are life saving. They work in auto immune diseases like a 
miracle, My cat with pemphigus and dog with auto immune hemolytic 
anemia owed their life to steroids,

Kelly


Respectfully, I am not convinced that all fever is caused by 
inflammation.  Some of the worst fevers I've had were while on major 
doses of corticosteroids.


elizabeth


On 1/30/07, Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 07:11 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:


Steroids are anti inflammatories, the fever is called by 
inflammation ,,hence the steroids reduce fevers, swelling and inflammation.

Kelly




Michelle,
I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through.  I've been 
keeping up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't 
feel I have anything to add.


What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely 
to have fever.  Corticosteroids make the body less able to fight 
off infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to 
lower fever - I just wondered how that works...?  I have a lot of 
experience with those drugs, unfortunately, since I have 
asthma...and an unfortunately also very familiar with their 
side-effects.  I worry about so much steroid overtime because 
although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a 
point where they cannot help but begin to acquire the 
side-effects.  I'm not advising -- just generally wanting to understand.


My thoughts, prayers, and love are with you both,
elizabeth


On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against 
her and she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is 
not down in 15 minutes I will give her fluids.


What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a 
sudden, after so long.  She got more steroids today than she 
probably has ever gotten, so she should be less-- much less- prone 
to getting a fever today.  Does this mean the fip is getting worse? 
Could it somehow be because her fluid got drained today? she is 
still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of clindamycin, so it should not 
be that she got an infection of any kind from that.


depressed and concerned,
Michelle



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Re: fever question

[elizabeth trent]

Respectfully, I am not convinced that all fever is caused by inflammation.
Some of the worst fevers I've had were while on major doses of
corticosteroids.

elizabeth


On 1/30/07, Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


At 07:11 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:


Steroids are anti inflammatories, the fever is called by inflammation
,,hence the steroids reduce fevers, swelling and inflammation.
Kelly



 Michelle,
I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through.  I've been keeping
up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't feel I have
anything to add.

What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely to have
fever.  Corticosteroids make the body *less* able to fight off
infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to lower fever
- I just wondered how that works...?  I have a lot of experience with those
drugs, unfortunately, since I have asthma...and an unfortunately also very
familiar with their side-effects.  I worry about so much steroid overtime
because although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a
point where they cannot help but begin to acquire the side-effects.  I'm not
advising -- just generally wanting to understand.

My thoughts, prayers, and love are with you both,
elizabeth


On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
 Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against her
and she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is not down in
15 minutes I will give her fluids.

What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a sudden,
after so long.  She got more steroids today than she probably has ever
gotten, so she should be less-- much less- prone to getting a fever today.
Does this mean the fip is getting worse? Could it somehow be because her
fluid got drained today? she is still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of
clindamycin, so it should not be that she got an infection of any kind from
that.

depressed and concerned,
Michelle




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Re: fever question

[Kelly L]

At 07:11 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:


Steroids are anti inflammatories, the fever is called by inflammation 
,,hence the steroids reduce fevers, swelling and inflammation.

Kelly




Michelle,
I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through.  I've been 
keeping up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't 
feel I have anything to add.


What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely 
to have fever.  Corticosteroids make the body less able to fight off 
infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to 
lower fever - I just wondered how that works...?  I have a lot of 
experience with those drugs, unfortunately, since I have 
asthma...and an unfortunately also very familiar with their 
side-effects.  I worry about so much steroid overtime because 
although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a 
point where they cannot help but begin to acquire the 
side-effects.  I'm not advising -- just generally wanting to understand.


My thoughts, prayers, and love are with you both,
elizabeth


On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against 
her and she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is 
not down in 15 minutes I will give her fluids.


What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a 
sudden, after so long.  She got more steroids today than she 
probably has ever gotten, so she should be less-- much less- prone 
to getting a fever today.  Does this mean the fip is getting worse? 
Could it somehow be because her fluid got drained today? she is 
still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of clindamycin, so it should not 
be that she got an infection of any kind from that.


depressed and concerned,
Michelle




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Re: fever question

[elizabeth trent]

Michelle,
I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through.  I've been keeping up
with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't feel I have anything
to add.

What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely to have
fever.  Corticosteroids make the body *less* able to fight off
infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to lower fever
- I just wondered how that works...?  I have a lot of experience with those
drugs, unfortunately, since I have asthma...and an unfortunately also very
familiar with their side-effects.  I worry about so much steroid overtime
because although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a
point where they cannot help but begin to acquire the side-effects.  I'm not
advising -- just generally wanting to understand.

My thoughts, prayers, and love are with you both,
elizabeth


On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against her
and she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is not down in
15 minutes I will give her fluids.

What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a sudden,
after so long.  She got more steroids today than she probably has ever
gotten, so she should be less-- much less- prone to getting a fever today.
Does this mean the fip is getting worse? Could it somehow be because her
fluid got drained today? she is still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of
clindamycin, so it should not be that she got an infection of any kind from
that.

depressed and concerned,
Michelle

Re: fever question

[Lernermichelle]

Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against her and  
she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is not down in 15  
minutes I will give her fluids.
 
What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a sudden,  
after so long.  She got more steroids today than she probably has ever  gotten, 
so she should be less-- much less- prone to getting a fever today.   Does 
this mean the fip is getting worse? Could it somehow be because her fluid  got 
drained today? she is still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of clindamycin, so  it 
should not be that she got an infection of any kind from that.
 
depressed and concerned,
Michelle
 
 

fever question

[Lernermichelle]

Lucy has mostly, I think, not had bad fevers since starting on 10 mg/day of  
pred plus clindamycin Saturday before last.  Occasionally she has felt  warm, 
though, like she does now, and I think has a low grade fever.  When  at the 
vet on Sat she felt warm like this and her temp was 104.1.  She felt  cool when 
she got home so we chalked it up to stress. But she is warm again now,  and 
has been periodically.
 
What I did when her fevers were high, and up until today even when she just  
felt warm like she does now, is give her fluids and if needed put ice packs  
against her.  However, I decided today, while at the vet's, to try not  giving 
her fluids generally, as I had been giving her about 100 cc's every day  sub-q 
just as supportive care. The reason I decided to try stopping is that Gray  
really felt that her belly was partially expanding so quickly with fluid 
because  the sub-q's were ending up there.  I told him this was not possible 
without 
 low protein count, which to my knowledge she does not have (proteins were 
normal  when blood taken on 1/17).  But I asked the vet, and he said he thinks 
it's  possible that some of it has been ending up in her belly.  He said that 
if  she is eating so much baby food-- 2-4 jars per day, usually at least 2.5 or 
3--  and drinking she should be fine without fluids. I said she is not 
drinking, but  then again I have been giving her fluids daily. I asked if 
adding 
water to the  baby food would be sufficient, and he said he thought it should 
be. 
She hates  getting fluids, so I also thought it would minimize stress.
 
But now she feels warm. By now I normally would have given her fluids,  which 
perhaps kept her from getting warm, I don't know.  She is eating  while this 
warm-- just ate probably 1/4 jar baby food.  She hates the ice  packs too. Do 
you think it is ok at this point, if she is eating and looking  fairly alert, 
just not to do anything about the fever and see if it goes down on  its own? 
She seems happier when not feverish-- purrs, etc., and does not when  
feverish-- but I would like to see if not giving them helps her belly refill  
more 
slowly.
 
Please let me know your thoughts. By the way, I think she was eating one  
night when her fever was 105.8, so I can't swear that it is actually low-grade  
by the way she is acting.
 
Michelle

RE: RE: 6 week old kitten fever question

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

It seemed for my babies, the fever reducer only temporarily reduced the
fever and would come back in 24 to 48 hours - I really like the thinking
process of an alternative medicine, with traditional (western medicine)
- basically, the treatment is "to remove everything" - whether it's
fever or tumors, they feel that everything will get better if you just
remove them - but the only problem is that, often time, what they
removed is just "symptoms" and not a cause - so as long as you don't
treat the cause, symptoms will more likely to come back - sometimes in a
case of cancerous tumor, even as a bigger one - with the holistic
approach, it tries to address the cause and assist their body to co-op
with the problem - about 80% of times, when I bring a kitty in to a vet,
I would come home with some type of an antibiotics, but I rarely use
them, I use homeopathic approach with my holistic vet - I feel that
there is a limit to what we can fix with western medicine - 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 6:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: RE: 6 week old kitten fever question

Hideyo- your experience seems similar to mine in regards to fevers of
unknow origin, I just got so nervous because she was already on fever
reducers.  One of the 2 vets i work with actually does a samll amount of
hollistic medicine and she feels as you spoke of. of fever's not always
being bad and sometimes a bodies ways of healing itself, however when
its my 6 week old i don't like them (yes i am whining) :)
Thank you for all your advice and i love the hollistic thoughts on
leukemia Kristi

From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 06:15:37 EDT
To: 
Subject: RE: 6 week old kitten fever question

Hi,  I have to share my experience that it's pretty common with "fevers
with unknown cause" - I had about a dozen of my cats going through the
same experience - all the blood work came back pretty normal, but some
had a high fever over 106 - my vets couldn't figure out what's wrong
with them and she is a very capable vet - it was probably some type of
virus related - but all my cats had no other symptoms other than fever -
that's why people usually want to blame on FIP as "fevers with unknown
cause" is pretty common symptom for FIP - I was so scared every time
when my cats get high fever because I always thought - oh no they have
FIP - but fortunately that never really was the case - 

 

Also, from an alternative medicine stand point, high fever is not
considered to be such as a bad thing if it does not last more than a few
days (though I had some kitties who's fever did not go down over a week)
- in their interpretation, it's animal's way of trying to deal with
something internally, they are trying to fight off something - so my
holistic vet always discourage to try to stop the fever with an
antibiotic is not necessary the best thing - on the other hand - low
fever is a very bad thing - I lost my little boy Henry - (possible to
FIP, but I never confirmed) - his body was started shutting down, by the
time I went to the emergency, his temp was down to 65 or something - I
was so sad when he crossed - 

 

My baby, Anchovy's fever was up to 106.5, or higher, so high the
thermometer did not even register - I freaked out and the vet put ice
all over her - then she injected her the fever reducer - but she
recovered within two weeks- with no antibiotics or anything.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

 

I'd say, if the vet you work for can't answer that, I'd find a new vet
for your cat, scary. 

 

All that aside:

http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Fever_in_Cats/fever_in_ca
ts.html 

http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/health8.html

 

106.5 seems to be the point of critical injury and seizures according to
online sources, but I called two different vet offices in my local area
that I have used in the past, one said anything above 105 is dangerous,
and the other said anything in the range of 105.5 to 106 is dangerous.
They did, however mention that it would be lower in a kitten, where
anything over 104.5 could cause damage to their delicate systems.

 

Have you tried wiping her paws with some rubbing alcohol and keeping her
on an ice pack (make sure you flip her every 5 minutes and rotate her on
20 minutes and off 15 minutes)? I'm assuming she is limp and unwiulling
to move on her own, correct? Cool IV fluids would also help. Your vet
could also do cool water enemas in the office if the temp spikes again.
STOP all cooling measures when the te

Re: RE: 6 week old kitten fever question

[ferozar01]

Hideyo- your experience seems similar to mine in regards to fevers of unknow 
origin, I just got so nervous because she was already on fever reducers.  One 
of the 2 vets i work with actually does a samll amount of hollistic medicine 
and she feels as you spoke of. of fever's not always being bad and sometimes a 
bodies ways of healing itself, however when its my 6 week old i don't like them 
(yes i am whining) :)
Thank you for all your advice and i love the hollistic thoughts on leukemia 
Kristi

From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 06:15:37 EDT
To: 
Subject: RE: 6 week old kitten fever question

Hi,  I have to share my experience that it's pretty common with "fevers
with unknown cause" - I had about a dozen of my cats going through the
same experience - all the blood work came back pretty normal, but some
had a high fever over 106 - my vets couldn't figure out what's wrong
with them and she is a very capable vet - it was probably some type of
virus related - but all my cats had no other symptoms other than fever -
that's why people usually want to blame on FIP as "fevers with unknown
cause" is pretty common symptom for FIP - I was so scared every time
when my cats get high fever because I always thought - oh no they have
FIP - but fortunately that never really was the case - 

 

Also, from an alternative medicine stand point, high fever is not
considered to be such as a bad thing if it does not last more than a few
days (though I had some kitties who's fever did not go down over a week)
- in their interpretation, it's animal's way of trying to deal with
something internally, they are trying to fight off something - so my
holistic vet always discourage to try to stop the fever with an
antibiotic is not necessary the best thing - on the other hand - low
fever is a very bad thing - I lost my little boy Henry - (possible to
FIP, but I never confirmed) - his body was started shutting down, by the
time I went to the emergency, his temp was down to 65 or something - I
was so sad when he crossed - 

 

My baby, Anchovy's fever was up to 106.5, or higher, so high the
thermometer did not even register - I freaked out and the vet put ice
all over her - then she injected her the fever reducer - but she
recovered within two weeks- with no antibiotics or anything.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

 

I'd say, if the vet you work for can't answer that, I'd find a new vet
for your cat, scary. 

 

All that aside:

http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Fever_in_Cats/fever_in_ca
ts.html 

http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/health8.html

 

106.5 seems to be the point of critical injury and seizures according to
online sources, but I called two different vet offices in my local area
that I have used in the past, one said anything above 105 is dangerous,
and the other said anything in the range of 105.5 to 106 is dangerous.
They did, however mention that it would be lower in a kitten, where
anything over 104.5 could cause damage to their delicate systems.

 

Have you tried wiping her paws with some rubbing alcohol and keeping her
on an ice pack (make sure you flip her every 5 minutes and rotate her on
20 minutes and off 15 minutes)? I'm assuming she is limp and unwiulling
to move on her own, correct? Cool IV fluids would also help. Your vet
could also do cool water enemas in the office if the temp spikes again.
STOP all cooling measures when the temperature gets down to below 103,
because the cooling system of the cat is not functioning properly, it is
possible to send the cat into hypothermia if you keep treating the fever
once it gets down into the safe zone (anything below 103).

 

A possibility, if the drugs your vet has been using have not helped, is
Metacam. It's newly approved for cats, and can help with fever, but is
not approved for long term use. You would need to be sure her body has
cleared all the previous drugs first (at least 24 hours), and the dosage
is VERY small. As your vet about it. It's called Metacam, the drug name
is meloxicam. It's been approved for dogs for some time, just recently
approved for felines for short term use. I wouldn't do anything much
unless her fever goes back up above 104. 

 

103.2 is not really that bad at all.


Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

 


~~~
Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any
reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere.  

Re: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

[ferozar01]

Of course my vet could answer that but it was 4 am.  I actually knew that 105.8 
was scary. The next morning i got to wondering if there was an exact point at 
which all cats had damage occuring or if there was a range and if it was 
individual to each cat- sorry about the misunderstanding i was over tired i 
must have worded things a bit out of whack. 
Actually she was on meloxicam (metacam-we've been using it for a while at my 
practice) as well as fluids for 4 days before her fever spiked like that- 
that's why I panicked so much, a fever spike while on fever reducing therapy - 
scared the daylights out of me. I wiped her with alcohol and put iced her just 
like you said I was up all night with her, slowly (very) it came down .  Anyway 
that was saturday and as of sunday night her fever was gone as it remains today 
(mon night) so i guess the spike was just the fever's last try before we 
conquered :) 
Thank you for your concern, I appreciate everyone's ideas and suggestions- I 
like to hear all your ideas it helps me to better understand all the options 
out there. Kristi

From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 01:04:13 EDT
To: 
Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

I'd say, if the vet you work for can't answer that, I'd find a new vet for your 
cat, scary. 

All that aside:
http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Fever_in_Cats/fever_in_cats.html 
http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/health8.html

106.5 seems to be the point of critical injury and seizures according to online 
sources, but I called two different vet offices in my local area that I have 
used in the past, one said anything above 105 is dangerous, and the other said 
anything in the range of 105.5 to 106 is dangerous. They did, however mention 
that it would be lower in a kitten, where anything over 104.5 could cause 
damage to their delicate systems.

Have you tried wiping her paws with some rubbing alcohol and keeping her on an 
ice pack (make sure you flip her every 5 minutes and rotate her on 20 minutes 
and off 15 minutes)? I'm assuming she is limp and unwiulling to move on her 
own, correct? Cool IV fluids would also help. Your vet could also do cool water 
enemas in the office if the temp spikes again. STOP all cooling measures when 
the temperature gets down to below 103, because the cooling system of the cat 
is not functioning properly, it is possible to send the cat into hypothermia if 
you keep treating the fever once it gets down into the safe zone (anything 
below 103).

A possibility, if the drugs your vet has been using have not helped, is 
Metacam. It's newly approved for cats, and can help with fever, but is not 
approved for long term use. You would need to be sure her body has cleared all 
the previous drugs first (at least 24 hours), and the dosage is VERY small. As 
your vet about it. It's called Metacam, the drug name is meloxicam. It's been 
approved for dogs for some time, just recently approved for felines for short 
term use. I wouldn't do anything much unless her fever goes back up above 104. 

103.2 is not really that bad at all.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

~~~
Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any 
reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere.  



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RE: 6 week old kitten fever question

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Hi,  I have to share my experience that
it’s pretty common with “fevers with unknown cause” – I
had about a dozen of my cats going through the same experience – all the
blood work came back pretty normal, but some had a high fever over 106 –
my vets couldn’t figure out what’s wrong with them and she is a very
capable vet – it was probably some type of virus related – but all
my cats had no other symptoms other than fever – that’s why people
usually want to blame on FIP as “fevers with unknown cause” is
pretty common symptom for FIP – I was so scared every time when my cats
get high fever because I always thought – oh no they have FIP – but
fortunately that never really was the case – 

 

Also, from an alternative medicine stand
point, high fever is not considered to be such as a bad thing if it does not
last more than a few days (though I had some kitties who’s fever did not
go down over a week) – in their interpretation, it’s animal’s
way of trying to deal with something internally, they are trying to fight off
something – so my holistic vet always discourage to try to stop the fever
with an antibiotic is not necessary the best thing – on the other hand –
low fever is a very bad thing – I lost my little boy Henry – (possible
to FIP, but I never confirmed) – his body was started shutting down, by
the time I went to the emergency, his temp was down to 65 or something –
I was so sad when he crossed – 

 

My baby, Anchovy’s fever was up to
106.5, or higher, so high the thermometer did not even register – I freaked
out and the vet put ice all over her – then she injected her the fever
reducer – but she recovered within two weeks- with no antibiotics or
anything.

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04
AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten
fever question



 



I'd say, if the vet you work for can't
answer that, I'd find a new vet for your cat, scary. 





 





All that aside:





http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Fever_in_Cats/fever_in_cats.html 





http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/health8.html





 





106.5 seems to be the point of critical
injury and seizures according to online sources, but I called two different vet
offices in my local area that I have used in the past, one said anything above
105 is dangerous, and the other said anything in the range of 105.5 to
106 is dangerous. They did, however mention that it would be lower in a
kitten, where anything over 104.5 could cause damage to their delicate systems.





 





Have you tried wiping her paws with some
rubbing alcohol and keeping her on an ice pack (make sure you flip her every 5
minutes and rotate her on 20 minutes and off 15 minutes)? I'm
assuming she is limp and unwiulling to move on her own, correct? Cool IV fluids
would also help. Your vet could also do cool water enemas in the office if
the temp spikes again. STOP all cooling measures when the temperature gets down
to below 103, because the cooling system of the cat is not functioning
properly, it is possible to send the cat into hypothermia if you keep treating
the fever once it gets down into the safe zone (anything below 103).





 





A possibility, if the drugs your vet has
been using have not helped, is Metacam. It's newly approved for cats, and can
help with fever, but is not approved for long term use. You would need to be
sure her body has cleared all the previous drugs first (at least 24 hours), and
the dosage is VERY small. As your vet about it. It's called Metacam, the drug
name is meloxicam. It's been approved for dogs for some time, just recently
approved for felines for short term use. I wouldn't do anything much unless her
fever goes back up above 104. 





 





103.2 is not really that bad at all.






Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html






 





~~~
Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find
any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere.  

Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

[felv]

I'd say, if the vet you work for can't answer 
that, I'd find a new vet for your cat, scary. 
 
All that aside:
http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Fever_in_Cats/fever_in_cats.html 
http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/health8.html
 
106.5 seems to be the point of critical 
injury and seizures according to online sources, but I called two different vet 
offices in my local area that I have used in the past, one said anything above 
105 is dangerous, and the other said anything in the range of 105.5 to 
106 is dangerous. They did, however mention that it would be lower in a 
kitten, where anything over 104.5 could cause damage to their delicate 
systems.
 
Have you tried wiping her paws with some rubbing 
alcohol and keeping her on an ice pack (make sure you flip her every 5 minutes 
and rotate her on 20 minutes and off 15 minutes)? I'm assuming she is 
limp and unwiulling to move on her own, correct? Cool IV fluids would also help. 
Your vet could also do cool water enemas in the office if the temp spikes 
again. STOP all cooling measures when the temperature gets down to below 103, 
because the cooling system of the cat is not functioning properly, it is 
possible to send the cat into hypothermia if you keep treating the fever once it 
gets down into the safe zone (anything below 103).
 
A possibility, if the drugs your vet has been 
using have not helped, is Metacam. It's newly approved for cats, and can help 
with fever, but is not approved for long term use. You would need to be sure her 
body has cleared all the previous drugs first (at least 24 hours), and the 
dosage is VERY small. As your vet about it. It's called Metacam, the drug name 
is meloxicam. It's been approved for dogs for some time, just recently approved 
for felines for short term use. I wouldn't do anything much unless her fever 
goes back up above 104. 
 
103.2 is not really that bad at 
all.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

 
~~~Also, 
at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to 
when a high temp would be critical anywhere.  

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Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

[catatonya]

I have no new ideas, but I hope your new kitten is feeling better.  Trying to cool them as you have been doing is all I know.  Good luck with her!
 
tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :(I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!!I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better
 but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,Kristi

Re: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

[ferozar01]

I brought home a fecal collection kit today we will test it monday.  She was 
wormed for the lesser stuff (rounds etc).  We don't know her mom's status.  She 
was dropped off at a shelter by a women whose cat had kitttens, they were the 
free to good home breed, she was the last one and the women didn't want to wait 
for someone to adopt her so the shelter took her.  They tested her and when she 
came up positive they contacted the women but she didn't have any info on the 
others new owners...so there are 3 felv kittens out there somewhere.  
> 
> 
> From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 03:14:11 EDT
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question
> 
> Ah Kristi, I'm sorry your new baby is sick.  They're so tiny and 
> vulnerable at that age, I can see why your so concerned.  Has the vet 
> ruled out obvious diarrhea causes, like coccidia and giardia?  Was she 
> put on Albon?  You must have been out of your mind when her fever spiked 
> to almost 106!  I have a feeling sleeping with you helped as much as the 
> ice pack.  I'm sorry I can't tell you when a fever does irreparable 
> damage.  I'm glad to hear it's coming down.  Could it be that she's 
> actually fighting the FelV virus itself?  Do you know her mother's status? 
> 
> I'm praying for your little angel, please let us know what's going on,
> Nina
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call 
> >me :(
> >
> >I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos 
> >kitten, and of course she came with a fever.  It was 104.0 the night I 
> >brought her home.  I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so 
> >thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me 
> >to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea.  This was Tuesday night. 
> > Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with 
> >me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an 
> >anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 
> >am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!!
> >I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm.  I put 
> >her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night.  
> >This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me.  Obviously 
> >she has something else going on besides just a fever.  I have a call in to 
> >my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!)  In the meantime I 
> >was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of 
> >fever...tips...anything?  Also, at what temperature does there body "shut 
> >down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical 
> >anywhere.  
> >Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of 
> >illness. 
> >Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,
> >Kristi
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 

Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

[Nina]

Ah Kristi, I'm sorry your new baby is sick.  They're so tiny and 
vulnerable at that age, I can see why your so concerned.  Has the vet 
ruled out obvious diarrhea causes, like coccidia and giardia?  Was she 
put on Albon?  You must have been out of your mind when her fever spiked 
to almost 106!  I have a feeling sleeping with you helped as much as the 
ice pack.  I'm sorry I can't tell you when a fever does irreparable 
damage.  I'm glad to hear it's coming down.  Could it be that she's 
actually fighting the FelV virus itself?  Do you know her mother's status? 


I'm praying for your little angel, please let us know what's going on,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me 
:(

I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos 
kitten, and of course she came with a fever.  It was 104.0 the night I brought 
her home.  I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully 
I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on 
antibiotics because she has diarrhea.  This was Tuesday night.  Well by 
Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc 
then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever 
reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 
105.8!!!
I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm.  I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night.  This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me.  Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever.  I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!)  In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything?  Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere.  
Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. 
Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,

Kristi



 

Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

[Lernermichelle]

I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP.

Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the fever? It worked with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days (too much aspirin can kill cats).  I have no idea how much a kitten that small would get, or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to the vet first.

Michelle

Re: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

[ferozar01]

Thanx Barbara- yes she still has diarrhea, and no she is not active all she 
does is sleep.  I finally got the vet to call me back and we are starting a 
second antibiotic.  We will do bloodwork tomorrow seeing even if we pulled it 
today it would not be processed till tomorrow anyway. She is not anemic at all, 
its a big fat FUO (fever of unknown origin) I feel sooo bad for her, she is so 
tiny I don't know how much her little body can take, she only weighs 2 pounds!! 
Thank you for your help. Kristi
> 
> From: Barbara Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 12:08:48 EDT
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question
> 
> sending this link to the fever archives on www.holisticat.com
> http://www.holisticat.com/fever_arch1.html
> 
> kittens that are negative often run mysterious fevers--does she still have
> diarrhea?  i'm glad she's eating and drinking. is she active at all? or is
> she just sleeping?  it is scary when they run that high a temp in one so
> young and postive also. hopefully her body is fighting something hence the
> fever. does she look anemic at all? did the vet mention anything about
> getting blood work done?
> wish i could help more.
> barbara
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:47 AM
> Subject: 6 week old kitten fever question
> 
> 
> > Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would
> call me :(
> >
> > I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos
> kitten, and of course she came with a fever.  It was 104.0 the night I
> brought her home.  I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so
> thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me
> to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea.  This was Tuesday night.
> Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me,
> the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory
> and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night)
> she spiked to 105.8!!!
> > I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm.  I put
> her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night.
> This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me.  Obviously
> she has something else going on besides just a fever.  I have a call in to
> my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!)  In the meantime I
> was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of
> fever...tips...anything?  Also, at what temperature does there body "shut
> down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical
> anywhere.
> > Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs
> of illness.
> > Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,
> > Kristi
> >
> 
> 
> 

Re: 6 week old kitten fever question

[Barbara Lowe]

sending this link to the fever archives on www.holisticat.com
http://www.holisticat.com/fever_arch1.html

kittens that are negative often run mysterious fevers--does she still have
diarrhea?  i'm glad she's eating and drinking. is she active at all? or is
she just sleeping?  it is scary when they run that high a temp in one so
young and postive also. hopefully her body is fighting something hence the
fever. does she look anemic at all? did the vet mention anything about
getting blood work done?
wish i could help more.
barbara


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:47 AM
Subject: 6 week old kitten fever question


> Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would
call me :(
>
> I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos
kitten, and of course she came with a fever.  It was 104.0 the night I
brought her home.  I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so
thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me
to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea.  This was Tuesday night.
Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me,
the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory
and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night)
she spiked to 105.8!!!
> I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm.  I put
her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night.
This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me.  Obviously
she has something else going on besides just a fever.  I have a call in to
my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!)  In the meantime I
was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of
fever...tips...anything?  Also, at what temperature does there body "shut
down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical
anywhere.
> Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs
of illness.
> Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,
> Kristi
>

RE: 6 week old kitten high fever, Question

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Kristi, I just saw your email, and while I don't have the experience to
offer advice--I know others will--I looked in my folders and found this
May 2, 2005, email from Hideyo, which hopefully will briefly reassure
you until you do get advice. (The fact kitty is eating and drinking on
her own is great!) Sending lots of positive vibes for the little
furball--she's so lucky she found you! Kerry

>>When my kitties get really high fever, sometimes it's over 106 and
last
for a few days - (which make them not want to eat naturally) - I have
used some homeopathic remedy, and worked like a miracle for some, let me
know if you are interested in or is on some things.

Hideyo<<<


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: 6 week old kitten high fever, Question


Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would
call me :(

I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv
pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever.  It was 104.0 the night
I brought her home.  I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a
vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the
doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea.  This
was Tuesday night.  Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I
brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and
meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has
not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!!
I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm.  I
put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the
night.  This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me.
Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever.  I have
a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!)
In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any
ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything?  Also, at
what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any
reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere.  
Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other
signs of illness. 
Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,
Kristi


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6 week old kitten high fever, Question

[ferozar01]

Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me 
:(

I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos 
kitten, and of course she came with a fever.  It was 104.0 the night I brought 
her home.  I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully 
I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on 
antibiotics because she has diarrhea.  This was Tuesday night.  Well by 
Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc 
then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever 
reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 
105.8!!!
I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm.  I put her 
to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night.  This AM 
she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me.  Obviously she has 
something else going on besides just a fever.  I have a call in to my doc 
(again thank god I work there because its Sunday!)  In the meantime I was just 
wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of 
fever...tips...anything?  Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" 
? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere.  
Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of 
illness. 
Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,
Kristi

6 week old kitten fever question

[ferozar01]

Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me 
:(

I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos 
kitten, and of course she came with a fever.  It was 104.0 the night I brought 
her home.  I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully 
I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on 
antibiotics because she has diarrhea.  This was Tuesday night.  Well by 
Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc 
then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever 
reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 
105.8!!!
I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm.  I put her 
to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night.  This AM 
she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me.  Obviously she has 
something else going on besides just a fever.  I have a call in to my doc 
(again thank god I work there because its Sunday!)  In the meantime I was just 
wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of 
fever...tips...anything?  Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" 
? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere.  
Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of 
illness. 
Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,
Kristi