Re: Metronidazole
Patti, I've got to say, I'm very pleased you decided to start talking again. Thank you so much for the holistic tips. I hate medicating with traditional medicine, the stuff is usually so toxic. I'm a good nurse, but a very reluctant one. Up until I found myself facing FeLV, I hadn't had to deal with that much illness in my rescue work. I guess I was blessed and didn't even realize it. I'm saving all your suggestions, I'm sure I'll need them at one point, or another. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, I too am always looking at alternatives... Have come across some that have really been helpful. Like Felix, I NEVER thought we'd be able to control his IBD. And although he's not a positive, he's 19 and so frail. The tablets work like a charm and he doesn't even realize he's being medicated...they dissolve in his wet food. And he may be old frail, but a real pistol to try to medicate! I'm always afraid I'm going to injure him, he puts up such a fight. And the old boy doesn't need the added stress. Another GREAT tissue salt is NUX VOMICA, it's listed as being helpful in treating many disorders. Two years ago I pulled a senior sheltie from a shelter in Ohio and he developed horrible kennel cough. I had found a wonderful placement for him, but the people had a 16 year old sheltie and were very cautious about over-vaccinating at her age. I didn't want Mickey to have to stay @ the shelter, for fear of spreading the kennel cough, even though all dogs are given the bordatella vaccine, it takes time to be effective, and sometimes requires a second vx. Since my dogs were all UTD I decided to "foster" Mickey until he got over the kennel cough and could go on to his furever home. Working w/ my regular vet, we tried everything! Poor Mickey wasn't responding to any AB's I was really getting concerned. After doing alot of research talking w/ my holistic vet we decided to try the Nux Vomica, I did have my doubts But after only three days Mickey had gotten over the kennel cough and got a clean bill of health and was able to go "home". After that experience, we treated dogs w/ kennel cough w/ the Nux Vomica rather than going the AB routine. We also used the Bioplasma for anemia and as a supplement for our Felv+ residents. When you think about it, these were the types of things used before pharmaceuticals came into the picture. Sometimes I think we do more harm than good by using these modern drugs. Good Luck, Patti
Re: Metronidazole
Nina, Thanks. I have been thru so much in the past year, w/ problems w/ my health etc. and although I kept "lurking" I was reluctant to start actively posting. (Due to my health related problems I'd withdrawn from "the world".) But I finally decided that maybe something I could pass on would be of help to someone. I currently do not have any positives, but in all my years of rescue, the Felv and FIV babies always held a special place in my heart. And I was determined to do all I could for them. It has left me w/ a big part of my heart being broken and a feeling of inadequacy. But since I have started posting again I do feel a kind of release of all the bottled up emotions that have been eating away at me My heart goes out to everyone on this list and their dedication to their babies. Patti
Re: Metronidazole
Patti, I don't why it should be, but the most caring and spiritual people seem to be the most afflicted physically. Perhaps it has to do with taking on the woes of the world that others don't even acknowledge. Somehow all the hardship gets internalized, we have to figure out a way to better purge all the ugliness we're exposed to. Most of the time my life is completely out of balance. I know it would benefit me to spread a bit of the TLC I give to others on me, but I just don't seem to have the time! In the meantime I pray for strength, health and direction, for both of us! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Thanks. I have been thru so much in the past year, w/ problems w/ my health etc. and although I kept "lurking" I was reluctant to start actively posting. (Due to my health related problems I'd withdrawn from "the world".) But I finally decided that maybe something I could pass on would be of help to someone. I currently do not have any positives, but in all my years of rescue, the Felv and FIV babies always held a special place in my heart. And I was determined to do all I could for them. It has left me w/ a big part of my heart being broken and a feeling of inadequacy. But since I have started posting again I do feel a kind of release of all the bottled up emotions that have been eating away at me My heart goes out to everyone on this list and their dedication to their babies. Patti
Re: Metronidazole
Nina, Yes, my Dr. has described a major part of my "problems" due to Post-Traumatic Stress... I call it burn out. All the years of working in rescue has caught up w/ me and it's really taken a toll. And it's sad, I thought I could go on forever. But have had to stop being right in the crossfires It's a decision I'm still not comfortable with, but I have no choice. I was headed straight to hell (ie:Looney bin). So I do what I can w/ words Patti
Re: Metronidazole
Patti, My family is always telling me, "You can't save the world". It's true, but very hard to bear. I get so overwhelmed, I find myself wanting to stick my head in the sand. I've had to start putting limits on what I can do. It is a war zone out there. I've pulled back and no longer go looking for wrongs to right, but I still get more than my share showing up on my doorstep. If there's a problem in front of me, I simply have no option, but to throw my energy at it. I find myself dreaming of a place where there can be enough love and resources for all. I don't think a place like that exists on this plane, I hope the promise of that reward is truly waiting for us when we cross. Do you think we should change the subject line? We seemed to have ventured away from Metronidazole! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Yes, my Dr. has described a major part of my "problems" due to Post-Traumatic Stress... I call it burn out. All the years of working in rescue has caught up w/ me and it's really taken a toll. And it's sad, I thought I could go on forever. But have had to stop being right in the crossfires It's a decision I'm still not comfortable with, but I have no choice. I was headed straight to hell (ie:Looney bin). So I do what I can w/ words Patti
Re: Metronidazole
We too have used the compounding method w/ flavoring. If it's being used just to control IBD, my holistic vet prescribed a homeopthic remedy, Arsenicum Album 30X. They are tiny tablets that dissolve very easy when food. I have great success using it when my old man has flare ups.
Re: Metronidazole
Thank you Patti, I'm always looking for alternatives that might help Gypsy. I told my vet about Penicillin G instead of the Flagil, she thought it was a good idea and prescribed it. Now I'm a bit sorry because it means injections for 14 days straight. I'll ask her about the Arsenicum Album. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We too have used the compounding method w/ flavoring. If it's being used just to control IBD, my holistic vet prescribed a homeopthic remedy, Arsenicum Album 30X. They are tiny tablets that dissolve very easy when food. I have great success using it when my old man has flare ups.
Re: Metronidazole
Nina, I too am always looking at alternatives... Have come across some that have really been helpful. Like Felix, I NEVER thought we'd be able to control his IBD. And although he's not a positive, he's 19 and so frail. The tablets work like a charm and he doesn't even realize he's being medicated...they dissolve in his wet food. And he may be old frail, but a real pistol to try to medicate! I'm always afraid I'm going to injure him, he puts up such a fight. And the old boy doesn't need the added stress. Another GREAT tissue salt is NUX VOMICA, it's listed as being helpful in treating many disorders. Two years ago I pulled a senior sheltie from a shelter in Ohio and he developed horrible kennel cough. I had found a wonderful placement for him, but the people had a 16 year old sheltie and were very cautious about over-vaccinating at her age. I didn't want Mickey to have to stay @ the shelter, for fear of spreading the kennel cough, even though all dogs are given the bordatella vaccine, it takes time to be effective, and sometimes requires a second vx. Since my dogs were all UTD I decided to "foster" Mickey until he got over the kennel cough and could go on to his furever home. Working w/ my regular vet, we tried everything! Poor Mickey wasn't responding to any AB's I was really getting concerned. After doing alot of research talking w/ my holistic vet we decided to try the Nux Vomica, I did have my doubts But after only three days Mickey had gotten over the kennel cough and got a clean bill of health and was able to go "home". After that experience, we treated dogs w/ kennel cough w/ the Nux Vomica rather than going the AB routine. We also used the Bioplasma for anemia and as a supplement for our Felv+ residents. When you think about it, these were the types of things used before pharmaceuticals came into the picture. Sometimes I think we do more harm than good by using these modern drugs. Good Luck, Patti
Metronidazole
Does anyone have any good tricks for getting very nasty tasting Metronidazole into a fractious cat twice daily? Thanks, Deanne
Re: Metronidazole
With a pill popper and good aim - so they can't taste it. I once had to give Metronidazole to a litter of half-grown kittens who were probably born with some intestinal ailment. There was lots of unhappy foaming running around. Bonnie - Original Message - From: ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, February 7, 2005 1:19 pm Subject: Metronidazole Does anyone have any good tricks for getting very nasty tasting Metronidazole into a fractious cat twice daily? Thanks, Deanne
Re: Metronidazole
Deanne, You can have the Metronidazole compounded into a liquid with flavoring added. There is also another form of Metronidazole that's not so nasty tasting, but I can't remember the name. I think it begins with a 'B' bens... bensa... Your vet should know what it is. My compound pharmacy was the one that told me about it. I never ordered it, that's why I can't remember the name. My house vet prescribed liquid Metronidazole that he tells me he gets from Mexico. It has an after taste, (I taste everything that goes in the babies), but nothing like the pill form. I was able to sneak this liquid into some cooked chicken liver for 15 days before Gypsy stopped eating. Also I just posted about using Penicillin G instead of Metronidazole for IBD, (Inflammatory Bowel Disease). I'm not sure if you can substitute it across the board. I hope this helps. Nina ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Does anyone have any good tricks for getting very nasty tasting Metronidazole into a fractious cat twice daily? Thanks, Deanne
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Pill Poppers work wonders.get one from the vet..the longest you can get..stick the pill in it..and stick it WAY WAY back in the throatfar enough back the cat just swallows it...and never tastes it Lisaand fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
Re: Metronidazole
Deanne. I have had to pill at least two of my cats (who have gone to the Bridge now) long term with Metronidazole. It will cause foaming given by itself and the cat will NEVER trust you again. :) I get empty gel caps at Walmart. I believe they are the #1 size. Usually a cat gets 1/4 to 1/2 of the pill two times daily. If you cut the pill in the appropriate size, then you can fit the dosage into the capsule. No taste, no foaming. If you can't pill your cat, you can have a pharmacy compound the medicine into something tasty. I know Island Pharmacy online does this service. Good luck. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Does anyone have any good tricks for getting very nasty tasting Metronidazole into a fractious cat twice daily? Thanks, Deanne
Metronidazole transdermal gel
Belinda, Metronidazole in a transdermal gel would be a lifesaver in this house! My poor Gypsy can't be pilled and all the other remedies I've tried so far have failed. Please, could you send me the your compounding pharmacy's address and phone number and the prescription information? I'm sure I can get one of the vets I use to write the script if I can supply him with the specifics. As I'm typing this, I'm shaking my head over just how excited I am to discover a diarrhea remedy I can rub on someone's ear! I knew about transdermal sedatives, but it hadn't even occurred to me about Flagil! Thank you so much letting us know there is such a thing. Belinda Sauro wrote: Metronidazole can also be compounded if the does isn't too big, that is how my kitties get it they are not good about pilling, compounding into a transdermal gel I rub on the inside tip of the ear is a life saver AND they don't get nausous from it. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls Vote For Us http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1 --- Web Design Porfolio http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio
Re: Metronidazole transdermal gel
Nina, Here is a list of Compounding Pharmacies, find the one closest to where you aer located and have your vet call in the perscription. I would also buy some Epi-Otic made by Virbac from your vet, it comes in a squirt bottle (ear cleaner as the metro builds up and needs to be cleaned off every 3 days or so). Buddie wasn't thrilled about getting this either but she sure tolerated it way better than pilling, she finall got to where she'd see me coming and just lay and wait. Make sure you rub it in good and only on the upper tip of the ear, you don't want it to go down into the ear canal. Compounding Pharmacies: http://dmoz.org/Health/Pharmacy/Pharmacies/Compounding/ -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls Vote For Us http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1 --- Web Design Porfolio http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio
Re: Metronidazole transdermal gel
Thank you for the info Belinda, I'll ask the vet about the Epi-Otic. I called a compound pharmacy I've used for Peroxicam liquid and they, along with the Metronidazole in transdermal (3 strengths available, 10, 20, and 25mg/0.1ml), also have Metronidazole-Benzoate liquid in any strength that can be flavored with liver, fish, or chicken. The tech said the Met-Ben isn't as bad tasting, I'm thinking of trying that first. The vet that prescribed Flagil for Gypsy in the past, (he preformed her spay when she was trapped), is hesitating about prescribing meds again without seeing her, or doing a fecal test. I'm running out of credit here! Nina Belinda Sauro wrote: Nina, Here is a list of Compounding Pharmacies, find the one closest to where you aer located and have your vet call in the perscription. I would also buy some Epi-Otic made by Virbac from your vet, it comes in a squirt bottle (ear cleaner as the metro builds up and needs to be cleaned off every 3 days or so). Buddie wasn't thrilled about getting this either but she sure tolerated it way better than pilling, she finall got to where she'd see me coming and just lay and wait. Make sure you rub it in good and only on the upper tip of the ear, you don't want it to go down into the ear canal. Compounding Pharmacies: http://dmoz.org/Health/Pharmacy/Pharmacies/Compounding/ -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls Vote For Us http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1 --- Web Design Porfolio http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio
