[filmscanners] Re: OT - Epson 1280 ink monitor...

2003-02-14 Thread Ken Durling
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:49:16 -0500, you wrote:

I own a 1270, the predecessor to the 1280,


What changed in the 1280?  Should one consider a 1270, if a good deal
comes along?


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[filmscanners] Leaf 35 and 4000dpi scanners

2003-02-11 Thread Ken Durling
Hmm, seems to be working now.  OK, I'll try again:

Any opinions on the Leaf 35 as a 4000 dpi scanner?  I need to start
thinking about upgrading from my FS2710.  Other options are obviously
Canon 4000, Nikon, Sprintscan and ??

I see a Leaf 35 selling for about $600 which seems pretty good for a
4000 dpi scanner, but would welcome comments.  


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[filmscanners] Re: Couple of basic questions

2002-12-26 Thread Ken Durling
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:57:12 -0600, you wrote:

For those instances, I poise my left hand over the space bar as I work...if
I can't find the darn cursor, I press the space bar and there is a nice big
fat Hand. Move the cursor (hand) to its target and proceed.  Takes some
getting used to, but surely does help.

bob snow


Thanks all, for the responses.  Bob, yeah, I have done something
similar - just switching to any other tool does the trick.  I usually
use the zoom tool since the Z is right next to the S, but I like your
grabber hand idea since the space bar is such a nice big target.  

Maybe properties for the clone stamp circle will appear in a future
version.




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[filmscanners] Couple of basic questions

2002-12-24 Thread Ken Durling
Sorry for the boring questions here, but I just installed a new
version of Photoshop (6), and I have a couple of really dumb
questions:

1) This may be actually a Windows question, I'm running ME, but is
there a way to change the default view of a folder when you go to
Open?  PS is defaulting to the thumbnail view right now, and I'd
much rather default to List.  I've searched both the PS prefs and
the Control Panel and am coming up blank.  

2) When using the clone stamp, is there a way to change the color of
the indicator circle?  Sometimes it completely dissappears against the
image.  

Thanks, and Happy Holidays!  


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[filmscanners] Re: debugging Canon FS 2710 on Windows ME

2002-12-22 Thread Ken Durling
Brian - 

I don't know how much help I can be, but I'm glad to try.  I recently
switched  to a machine running WinME, and my FS2710 seems to be
working  with Vuescan.  I didn't ever have to download ASPI, so the
modules you list are not loaded on my system.  I have the same SCSI
controller, and it shows under the device manager.The driver is
simply listed as provided by MS.  

(The only thing that's a little different is I notice that Vuescan is
no longer giving dpi, size and progress data on the task bar.
However, when I re-installed it on my new system from Ed's site, it
was of course an upgraded version, so I'm not sure if this is peculiar
to my system or not.  Anybody?

I'm not a techie or a programmer, but feel free to ask me to llok up
any settings that might help, since I'm running the same OS/scanner/SW
combo.



On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:11:14 -0800, you wrote:

I have returned to trying to get my FS2710 tow work on Win ME.   Neither
Canoscan nor Vuescan sees it.

The Adaptec ASPI has been loaded as per the instructions.  When I use the
Adaptec supplied aspi check utility it shows that the ASPI module versions
are as follows:

APIX.VXD 4.71.1
WNASPI32.DLL 4.71.1

It also says that the aspi is properly installed and fully
functional.  However, when I use the system information (Help and
Support) program to show the loaded modules, neither of these show up!

Can someone who has made this software work on Win ME check and see if
these modules show up?  To get to the system infomation utility use
startprogramsaccessoriesSystem ToolsSystem Information

Other info:

Hardware info shows the SCSI card as:

Name   Adaptec AIC-7850 PCI SCSI Controller
Manufacturer   Adaptec
Status OK
IRQ ChannelIRQ 11
Memory Address 0xEF102000-0xEF102FFF
I/O Port   0xD400-0xD4FF
Driver c:\windows\system\vmm32.vxd (, 1,008.75 KB (1,032,956 bytes), Not
Available)

Additionally, the control panelsystemdevice driverSCSI dialog shows that
there are two driver files associate with the AIC-7850:

AIC78XX.MPD  version 1.30 from Adaptec
vmm32vxd  version and source unknown

Additional help in debugging this would be appreciated.
FYI, Vuescan works normally when used with the epson 2450.



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[filmscanners] Re: OT: color photo inkjets

2002-12-02 Thread Ken Durling
On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:39:32 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Ken,

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:39:48 -0800, Ken Durling wrote:

 I'm about to throw out my Epson Photo Stylus 820.

So, what's your usage profile?  I've printed over a hundred 8 x 10
photos with my 820 and only one head clog.  That was when I left it
idle for over a month.  If I print something every two weeks or so, I
don't have banding or clogging problems.  Of course, I never turn mine
off, either.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ


It gets used every day for black text, and about once a week on
weekends when I have time I usually do 6-10 color prints, mixture of
4x6 and 8x10s.  


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[filmscanners] Re: [filmscanners_Digest] filmscanners Digest for Tue 24 Sep, 2002

2002-09-28 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:31:43 -0400, you wrote:

Can anyone tell me how to find my registtraion numbr in Vuescan?  I have
purchased the program, but now I want to instll it on a new computer.  But
when I try, I am asked for my registration number, for which Vuescan
provides no information in the Help file.

Thanks in adance,

Lee


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Under Help, if you hit About Vuescan you get a window at the bottom
which is a serial number - is that not it?


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[filmscanners] Re: [filmscanners_Digest] filmscanners Digest for Tue 10 Sep, 2002

2002-09-09 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:10:52 -0700, you wrote:

When I was first on filmscanners, I remember some conversation about better software 
for this... VueScan?.  Can anyone let me know.


Sara - 

Vuescan is the cat's whiskers.  I think there's a free demo, and
certainly the only $40 download at:

www.hamrick.com.

It's updated very frequently, almost weekly, so keep checking.  


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[filmscanners] Re: [filmscanners_Digest] filmscanners Digestfor Tue 10 Sep, 2002

2002-09-09 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:50:27 -0700, you wrote:

And I think Vuescan is the cat's meow.

Can we have a three-week, 80-e-mail, discussion of whether you are right
or I am? Can I write long diatribes on the difference between the cat's
whiskers and the cat's meow? Please?


Well, if this was an audio device,  I'd say you were right.  But since
it's optical,  whiskers is the correct term.  Believe me, I've thought
this through!  ;-) 


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[filmscanners] FS2710 to ---?

2002-09-02 Thread Ken Durling

I'm curious if there are list members who made the step to upgrade
from the FS2710 and to what.  I'm overall quite pleased with the 2710,
and feel that I've put in a lot of time learning how to get the most
from it.  I'm sure others probably experienced the same thing.  

I'm interested to know what exactly, but empirically, you noticed
different after the upgrade.  Did anyone go from the 2710 to the 4000?

The area I'd most like to see improvement in is shadow noise, but an
overall higher resolution sounds attractive, notwithstanding the
larger files.  I'm curious how much real-world difference this higher
res makes, and in what circumstances it's most noticeable.  

I'd also like batch scanning, but that's a seperate question.  

Thanks for your time.


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[filmscanners] Re: dpi - formerly PS sharpening

2002-08-15 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:33:15 -0400, you wrote:

What on earth are you talking about?  Where do you set the DPI of the scan?


I'm not Anthony, but on every piece of scanning software I've owned -
all three of them!  ;-)   (HP, CanoScan and Vuescan)  Even Vuescan
calls it dpi.  I'm aware, from reading www.scantips.com that ppi is
perhaps the correct terminology, but dpi seems to be standard usage.  


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[filmscanners] Re: dpi - formerly PS sharpening

2002-08-15 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:35:02 -0400, you wrote:

I understand.  The comment was specifically about saving the file...and you
don't save dots, you save pixels.  The file, according to PS, is N pixels in
width, by M pixels in height.

After you scan, what does Viewscan show for units?  How about when you want
to re-size the image?


Gotcha.  Guess I took the comment out of context.  Of course the
answer to your last two questions is pixels x pixels.   However, the
task bar of Vuescan (I resize in PS) says - after the scan - for
example: 

2592x3888 pixels, 2720 dpi, 4x6inch, 22.7MB

So it *is* saving a resolution in dpi, and that is what you're working
with when you reopen it in an editor.   It's easy to see where
confusion arises.  


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[filmscanners] Re: dpi - formerly PS sharpening

2002-08-15 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:45:28 -0400, you wrote:

 2592x3888 pixels, 2720 dpi, 4x6inch, 22.7MB

 So it *is* saving a resolution in dpi

I believe it is simply calculating the DPI.  It's certainly easy enough to
do...  What file format are you talking about, BTW?

TIFF files.


The numbers you gave above don't seem to fit...did you make those numbers
up, or is that from a resized image?  

oops, yeah.  The dpi figure in the above should b e 618.  A scan from
a slide I just did read:

2396x3694, 2720 dpi, 0.81x1.36, 19.9MB

Better, eh?  :-)

When you read the image back into
Viewscan (I assume you can do this), does it still have the dpi it was
scanned at, even after resizing? 

No, it doesn't, it's changed.  Interesting, I had never done that -
re-looked at an image on disk with the scanning software.  I just
called up an unaltered TIFF.   Why is that?  Would it help if I cited
the changes?  Looks like I could learn something from this.  I better
send one through paying close attention to all the settings.


How about images from another scanner?
There are many fields in a lot of the standard file formats that simply go
unused...and most people don't support.

I'll ask Ed about this...he's gotten quite busy these days, so I won't hold
my breath...

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[filmscanners] Re: dpi - formerly PS sharpening

2002-08-15 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:35:45 -0700, you wrote:

But Ken, you've missed the whole point of that posting... it is because
this poster's purpose for living is to correct all the minutia(e) that
doesn't conform with his reality.  With that in mind, you'll certainly
now understand the full value of that edification.

Basically worthless to most everyone else's reality...

Be prepared for another posting where he will complain that this posting
doesn't belong on this list because it doesn't have any scanner
content and only is a personal attack and cheap shot.  This same
poster, of course, will not admit that his own original posting is just
a personal attack and cheap shot on another poster, because he hides
his hostility behind the guise of correcting certain individuals.


Oh.  Silly me.  Well, I'm not taking sides here.  At all.   I just
hoped to learn something.  

I'm more or less of lurker here - I read just about everything except
when it gets into you know what arguement, and am basically just
trying to refine my scanning technique.  I still want to go through
the sharpening thread and see what I can glean, even though the way
I'm doing it now looks pretty good to me.  At least for the web, and
prints up to 8x10. 


Ken


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[filmscanners] Re: VueScan profile problem!

2002-06-24 Thread Ken Durling

Sorry - but are you guys referring to the Monitor Color Space pull
down under the Color tab in Vuescan?   I can't find anything that is
labeled Monitor Profile.   Am I missing it?




On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:31:27 -0400, you wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:01:00 -0500,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh drat!

Here Ed implements monitor profiles in VS at last, and I
can't find mine! Using VS 7.5.34 on WinXP Home, I choose
ICC Profile in the Monitor Profile popup. I then browse to
the folder (XP default .../Spool/Drivers/Color) where my
PhotoCal profile resides, and I can't see it! Only a few
profiles are available, some CMYK setups and a few older PS
default settings. What is wrong here (if anything)? My
PhotoCal profle is correctly named with a .icm extension
(which VS is now supposed to recognize) as per Windows
requirements. (If the app didn't give it the correct suffix,
it wouldn't work...)I tried making a copy with a .icc
extension, and that didn't work either. Anyone grok this?

Thanks in advance,
Les

In the Color tab click on the @ button next to the Monitor ICC Profile
entry, and navigate to the color directory.  Then in the Files of type:
box in the popup, just erase what's there and type in *.icm and all the ICM
profiles will appear. Then select the one you want.

Paul


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[filmscanners] Re: Vuescan setting for true neg?

2002-06-12 Thread Ken Durling

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:01:49 -0700, you wrote:

That is to say without image inversion (neg-to-positive)?
Would Device-Media type-Image work for this?
From the help file:

  [For] Image, no film correction is used, and the cropped
  file will look as much like the original image as possible.

If you don't like results from their default settings you still may want to set white 
and black points percent values and perhaps brightness.


Ha - interesting idea.  I hadn't thought of this.  I can reverse it in
PS.  Thanks, I'll try it.  


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[filmscanners] Re: JPG sharpening [was: Color spaces for different purposes]

2002-06-09 Thread Ken Durling

On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:52:22 -0230, you wrote:

 There seems to be a widespread misconception here.  While
 you are editing an image, it _does not have_ a format;
 it isn't JPEG, or TIFF, or anything else.
  The image is stored on a file in JPEG or TIFF or whatever
 format you choose, but it has no format during editing,
 and so whether you edit a file opened from TIFF or JPEG makes
 absolutely no difference while you are editing.  An image in an
 editing program is just a mass of pixels.

  I believe the misconception of always sharpening before JPEG comes from
the common down-sampling.  That is, most images start out big before being
down-sized for wwweb presentation ... and the usual advice is: ... down-size
... sharpen (to remove the softening side-effects of down-sampling) ... and
save as JPEG.

\
OK, I think I'm getting clear here.  So let me rephrase a bit.  When I
scan an image - into whatever file formet, I use TIFF out of Vuescan -
and then open it in PS, I can immediately see some sharpness loss
which I understand to be a result of the scan - scanner limitation,
etc.  One eventual step in my workflow is usually to try to restore
the image to something resembling the original slide, through the use
of as little sharpening or USM as possible.  If I try that on my
original file - before down-sampling - I have to use large USM values
to see any effect at all, or use sharpen more (I'm using PS Elements
at the moment).  Once I've resized for the web - typically to 800
pixels in long dimension, which I do using a bicubic resample and
changing the resolution, usually to about 600dpi from 2720 - the file
shrinks from its former +/-20MB to about 1.25MB and sharpening must be
done very cautiously in order to avoid halos and other artifacts.
When I resize for *print* I don't resample, I just change the
dimensions and leave the resolution the same.  It's in the down-sized
scan that I see the change in sharpening response.  

So, aside of asking for any observation regarding improving my
workflow - why is the sharpening so much more effective on the smaller
image? And am I losing something I'm not yet aware of?I'm sure a
much more experienced eye can detect sharpening artifacts in my stuff,
but I've been relatively pleased with the results.  2 examples - feel
free to criticize:

http://www.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=716

http://www.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=29447

But I'd like to understand more and get better results.

Thanks for all the explanations!  
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[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:17:30 +0100, you wrote:

Personally I do some sharpening for an archival image that may end up going
to different outputs. This is only a minor sharpening to restore the
sharpness of the original which is almost always softened by the scanning
process. Most images will benefit from further sharpening when targeting for
a specific output but this should not really be done for an archival copy.


Speaking of sharpening - I think I understand this in a sort of sloppy
intuitive way, but could someone offer a technical explanation of
why sharpening has so much more visible effect on jpegs as opposed to
TIFFs?  


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[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:56:29 -0500, you wrote:

Theoretically maybe; but out of curiosity, how does one do this in actuality
when one would have to first decompress the JPG file before one could carry
out the sharpening operations.  Afterwhich, one would then recompress the
file again in its altered state which would be what typically causes the
artifacts and deterioration in JPG files to begin with?


Yes, I realized after I typed that what I actually do is resize the
TIFF, edit,  * sharpen * and THEN go to JPEG.  It's in this resized
TIFF that I see the increased sharpening or USM effects, over the raw
intitial file. 


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[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:33:05 -0500, you wrote:

Probably the artifacts created in the compression process.  It would
probably be better to convert to JPG first and then sharpen.


But when printing it's best to go direct from the TIFF isn't it?  This
is where I run into it.  When producing for the web, yes, I go to jpeg
and then sharpen.  Actually, I often resize the TIFF to the pixel size
I want, do the rest of my editing and then sharpen just before
converting to JPEG.  I get good results this way.Come to think of
it, I see a lot more sharpening effect when the TIFF has been resized
than before - let alone the JPEG.  

 I also haven't experimented with the for print output setting in
Vuescan - any idea what this does differently?  


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[filmscanners] Re: JPG sharpening [was: Color spaces for different purposes]

2002-06-08 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:36:38 -0500, you wrote:

True enough, but if the image requires sharpening?  JPG is not a good
format, I know, but it is very useful and in fact necessary for the web.  I
would think it better to convert to JPG and then sharpen rather than sharpen
in TIFF and then convert.  I haven't tested but I think it would result in
fewer artifacts.


Well there may be other variables in my system, but I get fewer
artifacts sharpening the reduced TIFF rather than the JPEG.   I may
need to experiment with lower USM settings on my JPEGs, but given my
scanner's good somewhat limited capabilities (FS2710) , I'm very happy
with the workflow of TIFFresize/resample sharpencompress.


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[filmscanners] Re: OT: bonehead print res Q

2002-03-19 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:00:27 -0800, you wrote:

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:18 + (GMT), you wrote:

 Which is better a printer with 2880x775  resolution, or one with
 2400x1200?




I suppose I might have phrased the question badly, come to think of
it.  Maybe I should ask,   which is the better *resolution* spec,
notwithstanding other factors?  




The one that produces the output you like best. Sorry, I'm not being as
glib as that sounds, but DPI is a single variable among many, and far from
being all that important.


Thanks Tony, I understand that, and don't take it as glib.  I've
already told my friend to look at samples.  


Ken


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[filmscanners] Question for 2450 owners

2002-03-10 Thread Ken Durling

Hi folks -

The only place around here where I can see an Epson 2450 is CompUSA
and those clerks know jack.  I asked to see a manual and no go either.
Criminy.Anyway, I was looking at the transparancy/negative carrier
and trying to figure out how it worked.  There may have been a piece
that wasn't on display.  What I saw saw was a bracket with a
wavy-edged slot for sliding a negaitive strip into, and then 4 or 5
6x6cm or 2x2 cutouts in the same piece, I assume for slides and MF
negatives.  But how would you feed a strip of 6x6 negs?  Do they have
to be cut into individual frames?  Or hold a slide in for that matter?
I'm not exactly sure of the size of the cutouts, whether it was 2x2
for slides or 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 for MF.  The cutouts didn't have a lip to
hold a the mounted slide in postion, nor did they look they were set
up for a snap fit.  

Any illucidation welcome, thanks.


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[filmscanners] Re: Supra for scanning?

2002-02-24 Thread Ken Durling

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:17:50 -0500, you wrote:

Hello!

On their site, and in their literature, Kodak extols the virtues of
Supra for scanning. Does anyone have experience with this film? I like
Fuji Superia a lot, but I do get some grain aliasing problems with the
400 ISO, and VueScan doesn't have a profile for it g!

I will shoot a few rolls of Supra this week, but it helps to have
others' comparisons with emulsions I may not have seen yet.

And then there is always Provia, which I love, but I want to use negs on
my next trip.



Les - 

I have found Supra to be super for scanning.   100 and 400.  Much
better color match in Vuescan than Superia, which often takes a hell
of a lot of twiddling.  Supra usually comes out very close upon the
first pass.  

I think you'll like it.  
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[filmscanners] MF on flatbed

2002-02-16 Thread Ken Durling

If this has been discussed, please excuse me, and feel free to point
me to an archived thread. 

 Does anyone have any experience scanning Medium Format (6x6) negs or
slides on a flatbed?  I don't have a transparency adapter, but someone
mentioned something like a light tent?  This is new to me, so I
thought I'd ask.  I have an HP Scanjet 5200C.   Is there any hope?


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[filmscanners] Epson 2450 and MF was: Re: MF on flatbed

2002-02-16 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:43:32 -0800, you wrote:

Most people didn't like the results, but again there is a web site
(ditto on where it is) that shows you how to make one.

Use a good search engine and look up something like slide film adapter
for flatbed don't expect miracles in terms of the resultant image.


Thanks.  Well, I suspected as much.  Now I'm interested to hear from
folks who have used the Epson 2450 with MF media. 


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[filmscanners] Re: Scanning chromogenic

2002-01-30 Thread Ken Durling

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:28 + (GMT), you wrote:


It arises purely out of the filtration used by the lab for C41 printing,
and is not a property of the film itself, just a workaround for the fact
that it's difficult to get a neutral greyscale print on colour paper with
this film.


Thanks, Tony.  I suspected something like that.   I know the processes
are very different, but would those difficulties translate to inkjet
paper?  Or is the home digital dkrm workflows the same as any BW
film?  If not, are there recommended papers to print C-41 with on an
inkjet?  I'm using an Epson 820, FWIW.


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[filmscanners] Scanning chromogenic

2002-01-29 Thread Ken Durling

Hi folks - 

I had never tried any of the C-41 films before, and just shot a roll
of XP-2.  At the processing place I had them print it on color paper,
and the prints have that sepia tone that I associate with the type.
However, nothing I do in Vuescan results in anything but a straight
greyscal image, leading me to believe that there's something I don't
understand about this film (no surprise).  So where does the sepia
toning come from?  Is it possible to obtain a scan that has it?  I
thought it was in the negative, but perhaps it's exclusively in the
chemical interaction with paper?  

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[filmscanners] Re: Clipping again

2002-01-08 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:10:13 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Ken,

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by upper and lower histogram.  I only get
one histogram in my version of PS, but perhaps I don't know how to drive it
well enough to get more!

Regards,

Austin


 One more question:  I understand (I think) the lower histogram to be
 the RGB channels, but I forget what the upper one is.  In some scans
 the lower histogram will show 2 or maybe all 3 channels clipping, but
 the upper histogram doesn't clip at all.  What is that telling me?


 Ken



Whoops, sorry.  I neglected to specify - I mean the Vuescan
histograms.   I think I've started to think of this as a Vuescan list!
;-) 


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[filmscanners] Re: Tips needed on difficult scan

2002-01-07 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:07:14 -0800, you wrote:

I apologize if I'm getting into some else's discussion, but I suggest the
following:


No apology necessary!  All input is welcome.  And thanks everyone -
this is going to push me into a new sector of the learning curve with
PS Elements, as I've never tried to combine two versions of an image.
Hell, I'm barely getting comfortable with layers!  But it sounds too
fascinating to resist - I'll keep you posted.  Or should I say, I'm
sure I'll be back with more questions.


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[filmscanners] OT: Contacting Adobe

2002-01-06 Thread Ken Durling

HI all - 

I have not been able to get on Adobe's website for about a month.  My
connection invariably times out, and I have DSL.  Anyone else having
this experience   The same thing happens whether I use www.adobe.com
or the Adobe Online link in PS Elements.  Any ideas?


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[filmscanners] Re: OT: Contacting Adobe

2002-01-06 Thread Ken Durling

On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:08:16 -0500, you wrote:

I just tried it now and it worked okay...



Thanks everybody - guess I'll see if my ISP can help.


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[filmscanners] Tips needed on difficult scan

2002-01-05 Thread Ken Durling

HI folks - 

I'm still working away here, improving my understanding and
techniques.  Since the addition of histograms to Vuescan, I've been
trying to utilize them some, but remain somewhat confused, as I'm just
starting to get a grasp of the ones in PS Elements, which have 3
sldiers, and input and output controls.

I have a slide that I've been spending hours trying to yield what I
can see through the loupe on the light table, but it's evading me.
It's a very high contrast sunset shot taken on Velvia, with one side
very dark under dense clouds, and the opposite side has brilliant -
one might say blown out - area of sunlight.  Along the bottom of the
photo is a lot of city detail, seen from above - I was shooting from
up in the hills overlooking SF Bay.  It was taken with a sharp lens,
so the detail is there, and I'd like to retrieve it.

My main problem has been trying to bring out all the detail in the
city - which is in the relatively dark area of the photo.
Secondarily, the finding a contrast range that doesn't blow out the
sunlit areas too severely, while not darkeneing the shadows too much.

But what I'd like help with is how to utilize the Vuescan histograms
to achieve this.  Needless to say, upon initial scan at the default
white and black points of 1, the histograms go off the scale at either
end.  What general guidelines should I use for trying setting that
will bring the contrast range within the scale?  And what effect do
the color balance settings have on the effectiveness of the black and
white point settings?  

Thanks for any lights, and if seeing an example of this particular
scan would be helpful,  I can supply.


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[filmscanners] Re: Tips needed on difficult scan

2002-01-05 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 05:31:15 EST, you wrote:

Leave the black point (%) set at 0, and set white point (%)
to 1.

Then experiment primarily with the Color|Brightness
option.  This applies effectively a gamma curve, bringing
more detail out of dark areas without saturating bright
areas.


Thank you, Ed.  I'll work with that today.  Does it make  much
difference what color balance setting I use?  I've been generally
usuing either White Balance or Auto Levels.  I'm thinking I'd see
more direct effects if I used Neutral?



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[filmscanners] Re: Tips needed on difficult scan

2002-01-05 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 05:31:15 EST, you wrote:

Leave the black point (%) set at 0, and set white point (%)
to 1.

Then experiment primarily with the Color|Brightness
option.  This applies effectively a gamma curve, bringing
more detail out of dark areas without saturating bright
areas.


This is working great.  Thanks!


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[filmscanners] Re: Tips needed on difficult scan

2002-01-05 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 05:54:39 -, you wrote:

Remind us what scanner you have, Ken?


I just have a lowly Canon FS2710  



Bear in mind that dark bits on Velvia are considered the evil of the
filmscanning world - so dark that lots of scanners simply can't see
properly!  Multi-pass scanning with Vuescan in combination with the Long
exposure pass, with my Nikon LS40, didn't improve the scanner's ability to
see into the black.  Velvia is definitely just a little too much for the
LS40...  (As is Kodachrome.)

Yes, I know Velvia is famous for that, and I have definitely
experienced it with Kodachrome - even worse as a matter of fact.  But
that was probably that particular series of shots, of white flowers
against a very dark background.  I decided to capitalize on it as an
effect.   Now there's a way out!  (I MEANT that to be grainy!  It's my
photographic version of impressionism! )

I had the feeling though, that the dark areas in this particular slide
were not totally beyond reach, and Ed's suggestion elsewhere in this
thread did succeed in helping a lot.  I don't think I'll ever get what
I see through the loupe, or projected on the wall, but it has been
fascinating trying to get close!  


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[filmscanners] Tips needed on difficult scan

2002-01-04 Thread Ken Durling

HI folks - 

I'm still working away here, improving my understanding and
techniques.  Since the addition of histograms to Vuescan, I've been
trying to utilize them some, but remain somewhat confused, as I'm just
starting to get a grasp of the ones in PS Elements, which have 3
sldiers, and input and output controls.

I have a slide that I've been spending hours trying to yield what I
can see through the loupe on the light table, but it's evading me.
It's a very high contrast sunset shot taken on Velvia, with one side
very dark under dense clouds, and the opposite side has brilliant -
one might say blown out - area of sunlight.  Along the bottom of the
photo is a lot of city detail, seen from above - I was shooting from
up in the hills overlooking SF Bay.  It was taken with a sharp lens,
so the detail is there, and I'd like to retrieve it.

My main problem has been trying to bring out all the detail in the
city - which is in the relatively dark area of the photo.
Secondarily, the finding a contrast range that doesn't blow out the
sunlit areas too severely, while not darkeneing the shadows too much.

But what I'd like help with is how to utilize the Vuescan histograms
to achieve this.  Needless to say, upon initial scan at the default
white and black points of 1, the histograms go off the scale at either
end.  What general guidelines should I use for trying setting that
will bring the contrast range within the scale?  And what effect do
the color balance settings have on the effectiveness of the black and
white point settings?  

Thanks for any lights, and if seeing an example of this particular
scan would be helpful,  I can supply.


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filmscanners: Workflow for web lens comparison

2001-12-15 Thread Ken Durling



Hi all - 

I'm trying to do something that is really pushing the envelope of my
understanding of resolution optimization (a good thing!).

What I want to do is compare photographs taken with a 200mm lens with
and without a teleconverter to try and pinpoint some of the exact
degradation introduced by the TC, and post them on the web for a SI
discussion group I'm a member of.  .  We'll take it as a given that I
have two photographs of the same subject that are both perfectly in
focus (I thought I did, but I don't yet.)

The photograph in this case is of a chimney tower with a wire mesh
grate at the top.  I want to post 4 photographs:  1 each of the full
frame photographs, one without a TC and one with.  Then I want to crop
the same exact area of the wire mesh and part of the wall detail - a
quite small portion of the overall photograph - and then size them to
the same size onscreen,  so they can be compared.  

First off, I'm not entirely sure what settings to use in order to show
the full frame photos at their maximum resolution.  They were scanned
at 2720 dpi.  Resampling downgrades the quality a lot - so should I
resize simply by scaling?  PS Elements scaling dialogue seems to be
aimed primarily at print dimensions, i.e it's in inches, cm, picas,
columns etc.  Just divide the desired screen size in inches by the
pixels?What's the best way to size the TIFF for screen while
maintaining max resolution?

I think I'm clearer on the detail crop - I can leave that at 2720 dpi,
and pixel-size it with a resample without losing much quality.
However, I'm not sure I'm correct about that.

Can anyone suggest any ideas for a workflow that maintains as
consistent an image quality as possible across all these different
sizings, and that stays as close as possible to what the lens/film
actually produced?  That would include some optimum Vuescan setting,
too I imagine.  This first round of experimenting was done on Portra
400VC, and I used the setting for that in Vuescan, with a light
grain reduction filter.  The colors came out fine.  

Thanks, I know I'm probably missing some basic concepts here, so
thanks for your patience.  


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filmscanners: SQ Re: Histogram

2001-12-14 Thread Ken Durling

Why is it called a histogram?   I understand histo- to be a
combining form meaning  organic tissue as in histography and
histogeny, but what does it mean in this context?


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filmscanners: It's easy

2001-12-13 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:03:06 -, you wrote:

Is there any way that we can suppress the multiple Re:,Re:,Re:,Re: etc
in the Subject lines?  The subject line length is frequenty too way too
long.

Ian




all you have to do is edit the subject line.  I agree with Ian.  I
can't even tell what posts are about when it says 
Re: filmscanners Re: filmscanners Re: filmscanners 


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Re: filmscanners: VueScan 7.3 Available

2001-12-08 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:51:22 EST, you wrote:

I just released VueScan 7.3 for Windows, Mac OS 8/9/X
and Linux.  It can be downloaded from:

  http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html

What's new in version 7.3

  * Moved options to left panels, images to right panels
  * Fixed problem with slide feeder on Minolta Scan Multi

Regards,
Ed Hamrick



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Re: Virus Alert, was Re: filmscanners: Glenroy Road, Suite #350 Edina,.

2001-12-08 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:29:49 -0500, you wrote:

Hi folks,
The Magistr worm went out with a message to the list.  Be careful -- it's 
always a good time to update your antivirus software.

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Account.bat
was infected with the W32.Magistr.39921@mm virus.

Bob

At 06:34 PM 12/8/2001, you wrote:
As I explained on the telephone, the alleged debt that your letter refers 
to involves.


Thanks yes.  It was caught by my firewall.





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Re: filmscanners: Monitor recommendation

2001-12-05 Thread Ken Durling

On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:19:25 -0500 , you wrote:


It turns out that Lacie's aren't as expensive as I though so I'm going to
look at one of those.  NEC is also now made by Mitsubishi so I'll be looking
at those as well.


Never heard of Lacies.  Where can I read about them?  


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Re: filmscanners: Monitor recommendation

2001-12-05 Thread Ken Durling

On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:11:59 -0500, you wrote:

Actually, LaCie has been around since the beginning of time


I think I missed that event.  :-o


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Re: filmscanners: Monitor recommendation

2001-12-04 Thread Ken Durling


Someone mentioned Viewsonic so although I really haven't intensively
compared it with others, I've been very happy with my A90 since I
bought it - almost a year ago now.  I'm sure it's been superceded, but
its a sharp, clear and bright monitor that I can hold a print up next
to a display of the same and not be jarred at all.  


Ken



Re: filmscanners: S400 final result

2001-11-29 Thread Ken Durling

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:55:47 -0500, you wrote:

I have about 30 or so different varieties planted on my side hill. I think I
have that variety.


Hey, if you can identify the variety from the shot, that's probably
good enough color for me!  ;-)


Ken



Re: filmscanners: S400 final result

2001-11-29 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:00:01 -0800, you wrote:

By chance I took a photo of a day lily this summer for my wife to use.  Colors in 
that one are less saturated, and primary flower color is more to magenta than red.  
There can be different varieties, and probably differences due to time of day, light, 
and location.  NPH film, scanned on LS-30 using vuescan then levels tuned in 
photoshop.


Couldn't find it in your galleries - is it there?


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Re: filmscanners: S400 final result

2001-11-29 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:40:46 +1000, you wrote:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=455020size=lg

Wow!  It's amazingly sharp!  But did you intend to leave in the dust and
scratches? :-7

Rob



Heh.  Missed a couple, didn't I?  Ahem. :-/

That IS a sharp lens, BTW.  Old chromenose Canon FD 100/2.8.  Scanned
on a FS 2710, with a touch of USM.  140%, 1.2 pixels, IIRC.




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Re: filmscanners: S400 final result

2001-11-29 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:14:38 -0800, you wrote:

Couldn't find it in your galleries - is it there?

Aak!  Forgot to include the url in my earlier post (it's not indexed from the flowers 
page).  Sorry about that.  Here it is:

  www.shomler.com/other/018215.jpg

Bob Shomler
www.shomler.com


Aha - yes.  Beautiful.  And yes it's more magenta.  We have some of
that strain here, too.  Closer to this shot, which is  sort of a
cousin to yours:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=405011


I suppose all of this is not SO far off-topic, being a way to compare
notes on color rendition.  Of course,  with Day Lilies, that's like
comparing the colors of people's eyes  but they do sort themselves
into distinct strains, with characteristic colors.




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filmscanners: S400 final result

2001-11-28 Thread Ken Durling

Thanks for all the great help.   This is what I finally came up with.
Wondering if you think the colors look natural.  These _are_ pretty
creatures.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=455020size=lg



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Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:59:45 +1100, you wrote:



Ken Durling wrote:

 Hi folks -

 I have two questions.  One is I'm having a very hard time scanning
 Superia 400, and there's no setting for it in Vuescan. Colors are
 coming out all wrong even on the scan, and it's very hard to even know
 where to start fixing. What Vuescan settings can I tweak?

There are two types listed for Fuji which are 400 asa  NHG  and SHR. Have
you tried either of these?

rob



Tried NHG, and it was way off.  Haven't tried SHG, and I don't know
why not!  Will do and report.


Ken



Re: filmscanners: New software from Binuscan

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:06:01 , you wrote:

Photo Retouch Pro
Try this fantastic software from Binuscan .
I have used it with my scan pictures and pictures from my D1X



At $1000, it BETTER be good!is it Mac only?


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Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:38:56 +1300, you wrote:

Ken Durling wrote: 
I have two questions.  One is I'm having a very hard time scanning
Superia 400, and there's no setting for it in Vuescan.

General consensus is to use Reala 100 (Japan), I believe. That choice gives me the 
most accurate colour with Superia.


Which leads me to my next question - what is the next step in getting
into CM?  

I  would forget about CM until you have achieved a satisfactory workflow through to 
your printed output, with colour that you think is pretty good. Then maybe CM can 
gild the lily?




Colin - 

Well, with the exception of a few films, I think I *am* fairly
satisfied with my workflow, which is why I think I'm ready to get a
little more precise.   I'm just getting small variations between my
monitor and printer - small but significant, like in skintones.  I
realize I'm probably opening a can of worms, though, and we all know
that the only way to get them back in the can is to use a bigger can!


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filmscanners: No luck with Superia 400

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling

Very strange.  I've tried everybody's suggestions, scanning under SGH,
NGH, Real 100 (Japan) even Royal Gold 400, but a shot I have of a
blood-red DayLily keeps coming out deep purple.  Any ideas?


Ken



Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:35:41 +1000, you wrote:

Ken Durling wrote:
Tried NHG, and it was way off.  Haven't tried SHG, and I don't know
why not!  Will do and report.

I don't know if you've tried this, but have a go at Generic Colour Negative
and Neutral instead of White Balance.

Rob


Thanks Rob - trying that now.


Ken



Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: No luck with Superia 400

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:31:02 +1000, you wrote:

Ken wrote:
Very strange.  I've tried everybody's suggestions, scanning under SGH,
NGH, Real 100 (Japan) even Royal Gold 400, but a shot I have of a
blood-red DayLily keeps coming out deep purple.  Any ideas?

Is there any grey point you can use with Levels to neutralise the image?

Rob



This sounds interesting - but I'm afraid I dont' fully understand the
notion.  Would you mind explaining a little further?


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Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling



Folks - 

Your suggestions are helping.  Generic and Neutral color balance
are getting me closer to at least the right hues, although the
saturation is still way off.  Tweaking the brightness levels of the
reds and blues in the scan are helping too.   I think it's to the
point where I can probably photoshop it, although I've never had
anything be this far off since I got the scanner!  Wow.  

So thanks.


Ken



filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-25 Thread Ken Durling

Hi folks - 

I have two questions.  One is I'm having a very hard time scanning
Superia 400, and there's no setting for it in Vuescan. Colors are
coming out all wrong even on the scan, and it's very hard to even know
where to start fixing. What Vuescan settings can I tweak? 

in some cases I've done quite a lot of work in PSP7 or PElements and
gotten things pretty good looking, and then when I print it  . . . oy
vey.   I have one of these new Epson 820s - is anything established
yet about how good they are at color reproduction?  

Which leads me to my next question - what is the next step in getting
into CM?  I understand there are some programs for it?  So far all
I've done is the gamma calibration offered by Photoshop Elements, but
I think this is pretty rudimentary.  I realize I probably need to
learn a lot more about colorspaces that I'm working in, but for now
I'm trying to do everything in sRGB.  

What are my next steps towards getting really good control over my
camera to print workflow?



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Re: filmscanners: pixels, printer dots, etc

2001-11-16 Thread Ken Durling

Arthur - 

Thank you very much for a considered explanation.  I'm studying it!


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filmscanners: noise

2001-11-13 Thread Ken Durling

Hi folks - 

Only slightly less of a newbie now, I continue to study Mr. Fulton's
superlative scanning tips book, and experiment with my scanner and
software.  A few weeks into FS2710/Vuescan ownership, all this
learning is, I think, making me aware of a couple of this scanner's
shortcomings, but I want to ask about one of them.  The other is
straightforward, the lack of batch scanning capability.

But the question has to do with shadow noise, especially on Velvia
slides.  Since I'm new to high res scanning, I'm not entirely sure
what I'm looking for.  On some slides that I scan that have large
areas of shadow, I see something that looks like dandruff scattered
more or less evenly across the area.  Is that what shadow noise looks
like?  Are there various forms of it?  

Combining the two questions with one more - how expensive a scanner
would I have to upgrade to in order to have better shadow silence,
batch scanning, and some kind of ICE?  

I have on emore question, but I'll post it seperately.


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filmscanners: pixels, printer dots, etc

2001-11-13 Thread Ken Durling

Ok, I have I think I simple question, stemming out of my study of
Wayne Fulton's scanning tips.  Just getting clear, so forgive me if
it's a stupid question. 

On page 67 of that book he shows a tiny 32 pixel image scaled to 5
dpi.  It's printed as a 6.4 inch graphic with pixels that are,
obviously, 1/5 inch in size.  My question is, what does this say about
print resolution?  The printer is obviously using a certain number of
dots to produce one pixel.  Is this number of dots specified simply by
selecting the print resolution in the printer driver menu?  

Thanks


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Re: filmscanners: pixels, printer dots, etc

2001-11-13 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:54:46 -0500, you wrote:

Ken Durling [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked:
My question is, what does this say about print resolution?  The printer
is obviously using a certain number of dots to produce one pixel.  Is
this number of dots specified simply by selecting the print resolution
in the printer driver menu?

I'm not sure if this answers your question, but Dan Margulis has a very
informative article on Resolution from his Professional Photoshop book
at http://www.ledet.com/margulis/PP6_Chapter14.pdf. If you haven't
gotten the book, it's money well spent.

Preston Earle
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.CGraphics.com


Thanks very much, Preston.  I'm printing that chapter out as I type
this, and will most likely get that book.  

And thanks to others who responded, too.  I'm enjoying this learning
curve - especially because I can see the results coming out of my
printer! - an Epson 820 I just got, BTW.  


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Re: filmscanners: Vuescan - filenames

2001-11-10 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:02:32 -0600, you wrote:

It's the plus sign after the number that saves the scans sequentially and prevents 
accidental overwrites.


Thanks, Maris.  Vuescan advances the numerical value automatically?


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Re: filmscanners: Vuescan - filenames

2001-11-10 Thread Ken Durling

On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:08:34 -0600, you wrote:

As long as the plus sign is present, yes it does.

If the plus sign is not present it will overwrite.  Don't ask me why - it's Ed's way 
of doing it.  :-)


Super!  Thanks Maris.


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Re: filmscanners: Grain size in Fuji 800 color neg films

2001-11-08 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:49:25 -0500, you wrote:

 The tech person said Press and Superia are exactly the same
film,


Aha!  I am vindicated!  (not here, with someone else) And to think I
spent a few rolls of each just trying to tell the difference.
Needless to say, I couldn't.

So, the obvious question???


Ken



filmscanners: Multiple passes

2001-11-05 Thread Ken Durling

Someone feel like expounding briefly on the multiple pass technique?
I'm using Vuescan and a FS2710, slides and both color and BW negs.
What is the purpose and what determines the number of passes you set?
I tried a couple at 2 passes, and saw no noticeable effect, although
I'm not at all sure what I'm looking for.  


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filmscanners: PSP 7 Clarify

2001-11-05 Thread Ken Durling

I'm going to read Wayne Fulton ro get clear on the difference between
sharpen and unsharp mask, but PSP 7 has an adjsutment called
Clarify which looks sort of like a combination of contrast and
sharpness adjustment.  Anyone know exactly what it does?


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filmscanners: Signing up a freind

2001-11-01 Thread Ken Durling

HI folks - 

I can't seem to find the e-mail address and subscription instructions
for this list - I have someone who wants to sign up.  Could some kind
soul shoot them to me? 

Thanks!


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Re: filmscanners: Signing up a freind

2001-11-01 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:29:08 -0600, you wrote:

Go to Tony Sleep's website and sign up there:

http://www.halftone.co.uk/

Maris


Ah yes.  Thanks, Maris.  Mind went blank!


Ken



Re: filmscanners: Signing up a freind

2001-11-01 Thread Ken Durling

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:29:08 -0600, you wrote:

Go to Tony Sleep's website and sign up there:

http://www.halftone.co.uk/



P.S. I couldn't resist, told my friend he could sign up by going to
sleep!

Oh, you've heard that one before . . . never min . . 


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filmscanners: Re: Dynamic range

2001-10-31 Thread Ken Durling

What is the dynamic range figure - i.e.3.2, 3.4 or whatever - a
measurement of?  Or maybe I should ask, what is the unit of
measurement?


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Re: filmscanners: Re: Dynamic range

2001-10-31 Thread Ken Durling

Thanks folks- excellent answers. Plus I have ordered and am waiting
for a hard copy of Wayne Fulton's tips.  For some reason I can stare
at a screen for hours editing photos (or music) , but when it comes to
reading words I fade in 10 minutes!




Ken



Re: filmscanners: VueScan 7.1.26 Available

2001-10-30 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:24:47 EST, you wrote:

I just released VueScan 7.1.26 for Windows, Mac OS 8/9/X
and Linux.  It can be downloaded from:

  http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html

What's new in version 7.1.26

  * Added Color|Image brightness option

  * Added Device|Lock exposure option (for panoramas)

  * Added support for Device|Frame offset (mm) on FS4000
when using strip film carrier (for panoramas when
using carrier with plastic bars cut away)

  * Fixed problem with Minolta scanners connected using
Firewire-SCSI converter

Regards,
Ed Hamrick



Will it upgrade the existing version on my computer?  Or do I DL and
replace with same reg#?


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Re: filmscanners: VueScan 7.1.26 Available

2001-10-30 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:50:26 -0600, you wrote:

Just delete the folder with the previous version and install the new - your 
registration will remain automatically.

Maris
Thanks all - done.


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Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Pixels per inch vs DPI

2001-10-29 Thread Ken Durling

I see you folks recommending these other Epsons a lot, that aren't
advertised with the six color photo printing.Is there any real
advantage to going  with something like the 890 or 1280 over one of
the less expensive office color inkjets?   

I'm using a HP 722C right now, and I actually get pretty good results
from it, although it's only 300dpi.  I would like whatever I get next
to be a significant improvement.  Do I need to go all the way with
Epson to get that?


Ken



filmscanners: Vuescan S-400 setting?

2001-10-29 Thread Ken Durling

The Vuescan Fuji neg options don't include one for Superia 400, which
I've shot a lot of.  Any idea which of the existing ones match it the
best?  


Ken



Re: filmscanners: Question about Vuescan

2001-10-28 Thread Ken Durling

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:14:28 +0530, you wrote:


- Original Message -
From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Question about Vuescan


 It's not auto-detect, but it has 16 (more than a few) Kodak film types,
and each film type has settings under it for different speed film, etc. in
the bottom box.

 Maris


Actually, i think, Ken was referring to slide films... he's right on that
score... There's just an option for Kodak and Generic and under Kodak for
Ektachrome, Kodachrome, Reversal and RPC Copy Film.


Aha, that explains it.  I wasn't careful enough asking the question.
I can see that there is a lot more range in the negative films, but
still - should Velvia and Provia both be scanned under Generic?
Feels strange to me, although I admit that so far I have few
complaints about the results.

Maybe I'll try scanning Velvia under Kodachrome and see how it looks!


Ken



Re: filmscanners: Question about Vuescan

2001-10-28 Thread Ken Durling

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:46:54 -0600, you wrote:

As I remember it, Ed Hamrick (creator of Vuescan) has said that if you use 
one of the slide settings, the program will attempt to make the scan look 
like the original scene by applying the profile to make corrections. If you 
use the Image selection (which ignores any profiles), the program will 
make the scan look like the slide. Since I like the deeply saturated look 
of Velvia, I use the Image setting, so that the saturation is retained, 
rather than being desaturated to match the actual scene. I would suggest 
that, if you like the way the slide looks, use the Image setting and 
don't worry about profiles for slide film.

My workflow is to scan all the slides into raw files when I get them from 
the lab, then re-scan the raw files from disk at a later time. In this way, 
each slide is only scanned once and it is scanned fresh from the box 
without giving dust a chance to settle on it. With the Polaroid SprintScan 
4000, I can load the slide holder with four slides, insert them into the 
scanner, and tell Vuescan to scan frames 1-4 as raw scans, then go away and 
do something else while the scanning takes place. Very convenient.


Thanks for finalizing that clarification, Stan.  I think the awareness
of what the image setting is was just starting to dawn, only having
had the program a week.  I am definitely going to try that.  

I also like your workflow idea.  Unfortunately, the FS2710 has no
batch scan function, so I have to feed 'em one at a time.  However,
for raw files, I could dispense with the Preview and cut the time by
about half, right?  Or is the Preview necessary for the scanner to
evaluate the image?


Ken



filmscanners: Question about Vuescan

2001-10-27 Thread Ken Durling

Hi folks - 

Continuing to experiment, scan and learn here.  Enjoying Vuescan - but
the documentation states that the program supports some 200-odd types
of film, while the Color dialogue only gives a few Kodak films, and
then GENERIC.Am I missing something?  Is it auto detect?


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Re: filmscanners: Question about Vuescan

2001-10-27 Thread Ken Durling

Whoa.  How did you do that?  Up til now, when I did that it only gave
me KODAK and GENERIC.  Now it is as you say.  You have strange powers,
Maris!  Anyway, thanks!!  :-)


Ken



Re: filmscanners: Re: Hello, thanks, and more.

2001-10-22 Thread Ken Durling

On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:53:10 -0700, you wrote:

with HP Photosmart
with my 5200C.  


I meant HP PrecisionScan - I've never owned a Photosmart!


Ken



Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Re: Hello, thanks, and more.

2001-10-22 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:12:10 +1000, you wrote:

 I try to keep my jpeg files inside 50K for general web use.  You can
make quite reasonably sized images on the screen that as a file are inside
that limit.  Waiting for larger files to download gets boring, and people on
the web tend to have short attention spans.


Lol. good point.  In point of fact I usually DO try to get my web-post
JPEGs to within the 50-75K size range.

Thanks for the reply


Ken



Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Re: Hello, thanks, and more.

2001-10-22 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:12:10 +1000, you wrote:

If you're making web images, the dpi for the screen is 72dpi.  End of story.


Right, but scan at 72 dpi and you get crap.   One day I'll understand
all this.  ;-)



Ken



Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Re: Hello, thanks, and more.

2001-10-22 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:39:14 -0700, you wrote:

Right, but scan at 72 dpi and you get crap.   One day I'll understand
all this.  ;-)




Hold on - thanks to you all, maybe I DO understand this.  If scanned
at 72 dpi, even a 4x6 print would need quite a bit of interpolation to
get it up to a good screen size, ergo crap.Is that correct?



Ken



Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Re: Hello, thanks, and more.

2001-10-22 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:49:22 -0400, you wrote:


 Hold on - thanks to you all, maybe I DO understand this.  If scanned
 at 72 dpi, even a 4x6 print would need quite a bit of interpolation to
 get it up to a good screen size, ergo crap.Is that correct?

No, not interpolation.  Interpolation ADDS data.  Decimation removes data,
so scanning at 72dpi would remove data...if your scanner is 2700DPI and you
scan at 72DPI, you are only using 1 for every 37.5 pixels!

Are you scanning prints?


On my flatbed, yes.  Usually at 150 dpi.  But  now with the FS2710
obviously I'm only doing slides and negs, which is what brought up all
these questions.  

I guess I'm missing the point here.  If I were to scan even a 4x6
print at 72 dpi, and then want to display it anything larger than
288x432 pixels, wouldn't interpolation be necessary?  Even more with a
slide or a negative?


Ken



Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Re: Hello, thanks, and more.

2001-10-22 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:08:40 -0400, you wrote:

 I guess I'm missing the point here.  If I were to scan even a 4x6
 print at 72 dpi, and then want to display it anything larger than
 288x432 pixels, wouldn't interpolation be necessary?  Even more with a
 slide or a negative?

But you wouldn't scan at 72dpi if you wanted larger images (pixel wise that
is), right?
\

Right, of course.  I was just responding and sorting out the
relationship to the much touted max screen res of 72 (or 100) dpi.   I
think I used to think that meant higher resolutions offerered no
advantages becuase you couldn't see detail below that level, but now I
see it relates mostly to size.  I'm still not entirely sure why high
res scans look better on a screen only capable of displaying 72dpi.  I
tried a slide at 2720 and then 680 dpi, sized the two scans the same,
and the 2720 looked far better, especially under high zooms.  


Ken



filmscanners: Re: Hello, thanks, and more.

2001-10-21 Thread Ken Durling

HI all - 

And thanks very much!   Whew, I've read through the posts 3 times now,
and the two immediate questions that are coming up are:

1) Bits.  I need some clarification on what the siginificance of all
the different bit-rates are about for color.  For example,  one person
mentioned that there is no real advantage in 16-bit over 8-bit color
for printing.  Someone else mnetioned editing in 16-bit.   The Canon
software only offers scanning in 24-bit color, unless I initiate the
scan from within Corel Photo House, in which case I get an option of
36-bit color, as well as a different set of RGB, Gamma and
Brightness/Contrast dialoques. ( I notice this 36-bit option results
in a nearly 60MB file for a 35mm slide, as opposed to 28.9 for 24-bit)
Vuescan seems to default to 48-bit color.  So I'm a bit confused.  I
don't recall this coming up when I was scanning with HP Photosmart
with my 5200C.  

2) Sizing.  Now this is just specifying the pixel dimension of the
image, correct? Without changing the resolution.   Someone mentioned
resampling and downsampling.For example, I scan a slide at
2720 dpi, and I get a 28.9 MB TIFF file that measures something like
3889x2550 pixels.  After adjusting color and brightness, etc, and
saving,  I go into the properties dialogue and specify a web-based
size, i.e. about 750 pixels in the longest dimension. Is that
downsampling?  Is that process in itself lossy?  

I have yet to run into TIFF LZ compression, I must look further, but I
don't recall that as an option.

In any case, as a result of reading your advice I am now:

Always scanning at max res, ie 2720 dpi.  

Saving my uncompressed TIFF files to a CD.  (I Ihave a Sony 16x and
the Adaptec v.4 software)   This is simple because when I do the scan
I save the TIFF into a directory, and then open it there with a
graphics app and create, for example, a jpeg to send to my web
portfolio.  This leaves the TIFF untouched, and I send that to a CD
and delete it off my hard disk.  

Planning to eventually get PS6.

Starting to read the www.scantips pages.  Haven't run into a
discussion of the bit question there yet, but if it's there I will!

thanks kindly


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Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Re: Hello, thanks, and more.

2001-10-21 Thread Ken Durling

On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:15:16 -0700, I wrote:

 For example, Photo House offers a
choice of Interchange Format (JPEG/JFIF)  ;


Oops, left out the other choice, which I just noticed, which is TIFF
JPEG (JTIF).  Is that something like the TIFF LZ compression you have
been mentioning?  When might I choose that over the Interchange
Format.  Or are these just Photo House quirks that I shouldn't pay
any mind?  ;-)


Ken



Re: filmscanners: Re: Hello, thanks, and more.

2001-10-21 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:05:24 -0400, you wrote:

That is a case where you certainly can try it.  I would suggest trying both
methods, and see which works better for you.  Some scanners do a fantastic
job at giving you great scans at reduced DPI, and others are quite bad.
Only through a test of your own, can you really know.

 Seems like people are saying scan
 at the highest res possible, save the raw file and work from that.

For printing to inkjet, that is the correct workflow.  For web output, only
you can really test that out...and decide.

 But that would involve a lot of this information loss when resizing,
 or is the information lost not essential?

No matter what, either the scanner, or PS is going to lose data...it has
to, since the scanner can (except a drum) ONLY scan at the native resolution
of the scanner, and then the scanner will decimate the data down to what you
requested...so there's loss either way, it's just which loss ends up looking
better.


OK, that sounds reasonable!  For the most part I actually really like
the web results I'm getting so far, as long as the detail is not too
much in shadow.  I have one slide though, that I'm having a tough time
with.  It's of a dramatic (very wide tonal range) sunset scene over a
city, from high up.  There's lots of fine detail of the city in the
slide that I can see with a loupe on the light table, but it comes out
fuzzy in the scan.  Much fuzzier than say the pollen grains on a macro
shot of a flower stamen, which actually represent a smaller target.
Any idea what's going on here?  Is it just the scanner struggling with
shadowed areas?  


Ken