Re: [Finale] Same expression, different playback [was: Finale's internal..]

2005-03-27 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:52:32 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote:
 On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:44:18 +, Ken Moore wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is a bar for entering text in the Expression creation dialog,
 labeled Description: -- that is where you would enter Strings-piano
 or Guitar-piano

 The other useful feature in F2004 (is it in F2003?) is making
 non-printing a style, applicable to individual characters, so you can
 differentiate the two versions on the display also, but make them
 identical on print-out.

 This (along with the lack of justification) shows that they've
 implemented this feature in a really half-assed way. Comments should
 be a separate field in the expression definition, not a non-printing
 part of the expression itself.

David,

If you had read the whole thread (I've just left in a couple of
messages to remind you of what you missed), you'd already have known
that this was the case. There *is* a separate Description field in
the expression definition (as descibed by David Bailey) whose contents
are viewable from the Expression Selection window but not once the
expression is actually placed.

Ken Moore suggested an alternate means of differentiating between two
similar versions of an expression, but that was presented entirely as
an alternate (The other ... feature). I pointed out the flaws in
that alternate method, but it is certainly not the only (or even the
best) way to do it.

 Perhaps it was easy for them to implement it this way, but it sounds
 like it wouldn't have much value.
 
 Or, at least, cause almost as many problems as it solves.
 
 This is the kind of bullet-point feature that might tempt me to
 upgrade, but once I've heard the reality of it, I recognize that it's
 not at all what it pretends to be -- I can definitely get on just
 fine without it.

My response to this will be in your very own words (posted here on
Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:07:53 -0500):
 Would you *please* refrain from posting about subjects on which
 you are clearly ignorant?

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[Finale] EPS (was : Gregorian)

2005-03-27 Thread Eric Dussault
I guess that no Mac users would dare laughing at you, because it still 
is only half usable. Technically we have eps export and it works, but 
at the moment it can not be usable in a workflow, because of the damn 
font warning that shows up at every single eps created. Who would want 
to stay in front of the computer waiting and pressing enter 120 times 
(for a 120 pages document) while exporting eps?
You will say that at least we have them work, but I believe the people 
at MM really don't care. We know how powerful et versatile Finale is, 
but what is it worth if it can't translate into high-end publishing 
capabilities.
I wrote several times to MM about this ussue.
Why aren't they once hiring an eps expert that will optimize their code 
to make it work (mac and pc)? I mean it's not an OS X problem, Adobe 
products fully support eps. Sibelius too. Aren't they sending people to 
Apple developper conference to get the knowledge. Are they at all in 
contact with the people at Apple?
I've always bought every upgrade for Finale, and was patienly waiting 
for the eps font warning to be removed to buy it, but it seems that it 
won't happen. My employer has it and we made some tests. It kills me to 
see all that I am missing as new features and time saving capabilities, 
but eps creation is so important and is something I do many times every 
day, that it still isn't worth upgrading.
And what about the magnificient font embedding capabilities that don't 
embed fonts for as long as I can remember.
I'll stop here.

Joyeuses Pâques cher Dennis,
Éric Dussault
Le 05-03-27, à 03:10, d. collins a écrit :
Mac users are probably all laughing at us right now for putting up 
with this. When EPS didn't work for them, they got it fixed in a 
matter of months, if I recall correctly.


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Re: [Finale] Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts

2005-03-27 Thread John Poole [Finale Discussion]
Ryan Beard wrote:
snip
As for the parts, unless you're given specific
instructions from the orchestra librarian, I think
it's perfectly fine to print on 11x17 booklets. Even
better would be 12x18 (standard in the publishing
world) if your printer can handle it. As long as the
music is extremely legible and free from mistakes, the
musicians won't complain about the size of paper
(well, they shouldn't). 

snip
Ryan:
This reply concerns paper.
You reference to 12 x 18 paper caught my eye, what brand of
paper do you use?  And what size do you buy it in?  I've found
determing paper brand, what sizes the manufacture offers it in,
which way the grain is running for a particular size
and what you can cut it down to (keeping in mind the grain) while 
minimizing waste is very complex investigation and merits
discussion, especially for someone about to undertake it for the
first time.

Regards,
John Poole
Editions Poole
http://www.editionspoole.com
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[Finale] Re: Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts

2005-03-27 Thread Ryan Beard
John,

(snip)
 Your reference to 12 x 18 paper caught my eye, what
brand of
 paper do you use?  And what size do you buy it in?  

My printer can handle up to 11x17. It's a Ricoh Laser
AP2610N with the duplexer. I wish I could do 12x18! 

As for the brand and type, I use BOISE Vellum Offset
60 lb. I have it in both 11x17 and 8.5x11. Depending
on how the final product will be bound determines the
size of page I use. I like to use the Beige color, but
I have clients who prefer white. As a performer, I
find that bright stage lights reflecting off of the
white paper hurts my eyes. And, if beige is good
enough for those old Breitkopf  Härtel editions, it's
good enough for me. The big drawback to this brand is
that it is not acid free. I haven't taken the time to
look for an acid free paper of similar quality. 

I buy my paper at the local Kelly Paper shop. 
http://www.kellypaper.com/ 
If there's not one near you, I think you can purchase
online. They'll also cut custom page sizes, but I
haven't used that service yet. 

I only make cuts in the paper when I make my 11x14
conducting scores. My paper cutter (Premier brand from
GBC, I think) is 24''x24'', and can cleanly cut about
4 pages at a time. There are more expensive cutters
that will eat through a hundred pages at once, but I
don't work in large enough volumes to warrant
purchasing one of those.

I use the clear and black vinyl covers from GBC to
make the scores a little more sturdy. Vinyl covers in
the larger sizes are hard to find, but I was lucky to
find a local bindery willing to sell to me in bulk.
Apparently you can't purchase directly from GBC's
website—they never responded to my email inquiry!

I have a GBC brand comb binder, as well. I bind the
full scores with that and some of the larger piano
things that can't be stapled due to the size.

Hope that answers som eof your questions, John. Good
luck on this next big project!

Ryan

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[Finale] Time Signature bug

2005-03-27 Thread Richard Yates
After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to
Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm
this one?

Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff
Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'.

With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4.
Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key
Signature'. Now changing time signature works.

Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it
has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4.

Richard Yates



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Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug

2005-03-27 Thread James Gilbert
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Richard Yates wrote:

 After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to
 Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm
 this one?

I followed your steps to recreate the bug. I tried it with the default
document and a document without libraries. It happily changed to 3/4, 5/4,
3/8, etc. Thus, I was unable to recreated the bug. I'm using Windows
Finale 2005b.


James Gilbert
http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/
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Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug

2005-03-27 Thread John Roberts
No problem here in FinMac 2005 (I have other problems, but let's leave that
one alone for now)

John Roberts


On 3/27/05 8:38 PM, Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to
 Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm
 this one?
 
 Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff
 Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'.
 
 With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4.
 Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key
 Signature'. Now changing time signature works.
 
 Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it
 has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4.
 
 Richard Yates
 
 
 
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