Re: [Finale] File overwrite bug
On 2 May 2005 at 12:04, Christopher Smith wrote: For sure, if the window title doesn't match the contents of the window, the bug has occurred. I've been doing a lot of Finale work the last week with multiple files open, combining different files from a multi-movement work into a single file, then generating parts. I've not lost any data or even experienced anything like the file overwrite bug, but I have experienced these problems (WinFin2K3): 1. two sets of minimize/restore/close buttons in the *child* window (this is the Windows MDI interface), side by side, and it's not clear which set goes with which document (often when I have more than two actual open documents). 2. no minimize/restore/close buttons at all when I get down to only a single open document (Ctrl-W will close the document, though). 3. two instances of MassEdit on the menu bar, one functional (the right-hand one) and one not. My bet is that all of these are instances of the same error. Looks like there is a mismatch between the window manager's index of the number of open files, and this is causing weird things to happen. The double set of buttons seems like the counter is off by 1+, and the complete lack of them indicates it's off by 1-. The double MassEdit menu entry seems to be somehow similar to the double set of buttons, based on the way I know menu bars work in applications created with Microsoft development tools. Any time any of these symptoms appear, I save everything and close Finale, clean out the temp directory and restart Finale. It hasn't really been a problem. The real problem is the massive performance slowdown in page view when I have the measure tool selected. It can be almost unusable at times, especially waiting for the display to reflect a change to another tool (most often the Mass Edit tool). -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello parts
On 2 May 2005 at 22:22, Johannes Gebauer wrote: David W. Fenton schrieb: On 2 May 2005 at 16:22, Johannes Gebauer wrote: To be honest, I have rarely seen tenor clefs in late 18th century cello parts, and there is no special reason for using treble clefs, it is just a very normal way of notating high cello passages in classical/early romantic music. It's not notated as 8va or 8vb, but as far as I know it is always read an octave down. I just want to make sure this is the case. I see it all the time in my repertory, and it's just read an octave down. Is this _always_ or _most of the time_ in your experience? Are there exceptions to the rule? Does it depend on whether it is manuscript or printed? I've never encountered any in the contemporary sources of the repertory I'm dealing with (i.e., keyboard chamber music). Hardly any of my repertory is in MS, and I don't remember encountering any instances of it. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello parts
On May 2, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: To be honest, I have rarely seen tenor clefs in late 18th century cello parts, and there is no special reason for using treble clefs, it is just a very normal way of notating high cello passages in classical/early romantic music. It's not notated as 8va or 8vb, but as far as I know it is always read an octave down. I just want to make sure this is the case. It is. This usage was part of a general pattern of notating range-extension clefs an octave lower than they should be. For the cello treble clef, the rationale seems to have been to keep the part within the staff while still signalling with the clef that the part lies higher than usual on the instrument. For the bass clef in horns and bassett horn, the opposite rationale seems to have been at work--that an unusually low note ought to look unusually low on the page, even when one is trying to save ledger lines w. a special clef. The use of treble clef for tenor voice goes back to early in the nineteenth century, and derives from the publication of songs (especially popular songs) for high or low voice, w.o specifying S, A, T, or B. Soprano and tenor could both comfortably sing an edition for nonspecific high voice, but since only one clef could be used, the treble was settled on both because sopranos are more common than tenors (no jokes, please!) and because amateurs are and were much more fluent w. that clef than w. any C clef. Quite soon it became conventional to use the treble clef for choral tenor lines as well. The 20th century passion for notational precision and consistency led, later, to the placing of an 8 under the treble clef in such circumstances, or the application to it of a couple of prongs resembling those of a C clef, to indicate that the clef was to sound an octave lower. Eventually this usage became common enough that it began to spread to other transposing trebles, as in the guitar, and the development of analogous symbols for soprano recorder (not so much piccolo), xylophone, and glockenspiel clefs. Even today, however, it is not essential to use any of these modified clefs, and a plain treble will do in any of the circumstances where it has historically been transposed. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello parts
On May 2, 2005, at 2:37 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The complicated question is: how is treble clef read when notated for double bass? ... starts on the high C natural above the treble clef staff, and descends into the bass clef, switching clef at middle C. There's no doubt but that the treble clef notation should be read one octave low, just like the bass clef notation. Cf, in this regard, the German bcl. notation, where both treble and bass clefs sound a M2 below notated pitch. Many bcl-ists erroneously switch to the French convention when changing to treble clef in a German piece. Of course, I have no idea what the conventions are for treble clef notation in the contrabass in the regular repertory. They are a mess, and have been for at least a century. For many (composers and players alike), all clefs on the cb sound an octave below written pitch, and that is as it should be. For many others, however, the cb treble clef is to sound as written, and it is by no means always obvious which convention is intended. Furthermore, there is no clear historical trend, and the muddle is just as vexed today as it was a century ago. This is one area where the contemporary habit of putting little 8s and 15s above and below octave-transposing clefs is strongly to be encouraged. Absent that, IMO any composer who fails to notate all cb clefs an octave, and only an octave, down ought to have their composing license revoked. BTW, just to show you that things could always be worse, I am currently engraving an early symphony by Lejaren Hiller, whose legitimate distaste for the tenor clef led him, in this youthful score, to place high-lying bsn. and vc. passages in the alto clef! Needless to say, I'm overriding the MS on this one. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf booklets
Andrew Stiller wrote: I have FinMac 2K4, and I'm working w. a composer who uses FinMac 2K5. We had arranged that he would make pdf files of his scores, which I can read and print w. Acrobat Reader 6.0.1, but now we have hit a snag. To make a choral octavo, my usual practice is to assign the Finale page size to 7 x 8.5, then print 2-up as a staple-bound booklet on folded legal paper. OK, keeping in mind that I use WINfin, and there may be reasons that may not work on a MAC. why not have your composer friend use the printing dialogs so that the ~.pdfs you receive are the composition printed 2 up landscape on 8-1/2 x 14 paper. He may need to send the pages separately, but you can print the pdfs out, fold, and staple as you normally do. Alternatively, you can download the Ghostscript / Ghostview utility for MAC, and have your friend download and install the driver for a postscript printer (such as the HP 5000). He uses the printer dialog to set the composition for booklet printing, two-up on 8-1/2 x 14 paper in landscape format, and print to file. He forwards to you the printer file, and you use Ghostscript / Ghostview to take the ~.ps file, and convert that to a ~.pdf. Or, of course, he can download the Ghostscript / Ghostview utility, too, and do the conversion himself. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello parts
On Tue, 3 May 2005 02:35:24 -0400, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, just to show you that things could always be worse, I am currently engraving an early symphony by Lejaren Hiller, whose legitimate distaste for the tenor clef led him, in this youthful score, to place high-lying bsn. and vc. passages in the alto clef! Needless to say, I'm overriding the MS on this one. On behalf of the bassoonists (and probably also vcl'ists) in the world --- thank you Andrew. gregory ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac OS 10.4 (Tiger)
John Bell / 2005/05/03 / 12:01 AM wrote: Why is it better to go to the Dashboard rather than have these things available in the Dock? You serious?! I am totally hooked with this: http://a-no-ne.com/music/finale/dashboard.shtml Just with F12, no Dock! Hi Hiro, Did you find the screen shot widget? -K -- ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac OS 10.4 (Tiger)
Two minor hiccups in Finale when Tiger is first installed: 1.None of the Finale fonts work. Solution: go to Library Caches, and delete the folder com.apple.ATS. Restart. 2. The Scroll view/Page view keyboard shortcut doesn't work. Solution: go to System Preferences Keyboard Mouse, and uncheck Move focus to the window drawer (or if you're like me, uncheck virtually everything there). I don't think that Tiger presents anything to be afraid of. John Thank you so much John!! This was my only sticking point with Tiger...(not counting Virtual PC which is having security issues for obvious reasons...) Excellent..I'm off and running and loving Tiger! Thanks again, K -- ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] File overwrite bug
On May 2, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: What are the don'ts with the File overwrite bug (2k5b, Mac). I don't often work with several files open at once, and have avoided it when the bug was made known, but now I want to edit some parts and could save some time if they were open at the same time, is this risky? Johannes It has only occurred with me when working on a score file created in a previous version. Not everyone shares this, though. It has also only occurred with me when I open another file by double-clicking while working on all the part files, for example let's say I just realised that I made a mistake in the horn part I already formatted and printed while a trombone part is open, so I reopen the horn part, correct the mistake, save, print, and close. The trombone part is likely to be the one corrupted in this case, though a few times it has been my score. Text block edits seem to trigger it, though I can't figure out how. Sometimes Finale bugs out after a overwrite (keys stop working, etc.), and I have to quit and restart Finale. This makes some think that it might be related to Finale being already in a delicate condition, perhaps related to temp files. I also leave my computer on a lot (in sleep mode, of course), with Finale running, and used to seldom reboot. This may also contribute to it. For sure, if the window title doesn't match the contents of the window, the bug has occurred. Save under a different file name immediately, and you may have saved yourself. I have managed this a few times. Apparently, according to Darcy, if you have backups enabled the backup is not corrupted. One of the Davids (Fenton?) mentioned that he had seen mismatched window title and contents a few times, but a redraw or switching from page to scroll view and back corrected it. This was on Windows, while Darcy and I are Mac. Did I remember Brad B. having this, too, on Mac? Recently I have changed my part-extraction method to avoid text-block edits (I insert a comment for the instrument name on Page I and the Page 2+ text block before extracting parts, then I edit the Comment field in File Info for each extracted part to be the instrument name so it automatically appears in both places.) I have also gotten into the habit of rebooting my Mac once a week, whether I need to or not (same as bathing, except that I only do every six months, whether I need to or not!) As a result, I haven't seen the bug for quite a few months now. Plus, people tend to leave me alone more (that might be related to the bathing thing.) Christopher Hi Johannes (and Christopher,) I actually reboot nearly as often as I shower. I shower more often only because traffic on the 405 here in LA is such that you get to know your lane neighbor pretty well and the stinky police are out in force heading into the summer. This small rule (both in showering and rebooting, the latter of which I do every day under heavy usage..for that matter I do the former the same or more under heavy usage as well) has kept the Finale overwrite bug away for me (breaking the former keeps people awaywhich isn't always a bad thing save those who I really like to be around...you know who you are!) So I would have to agree with Christopher in total noting that he is much more thorough in his research and findings. Best, Karen P.S. Christopher...you are absolutely hilarious...you have made my day more than once!! :-) -- ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf booklets
There are several little shareware applications which can make booklets out of single page pdfs, one is called CocoaBooklet. Look for them at versiontracker. Otherwise create a printer driver which prints to a PS file and use Finale script to make your booklet. Johannes Andrew Stiller schrieb: I have FinMac 2K4, and I'm working w. a composer who uses FinMac 2K5. We had arranged that he would make pdf files of his scores, which I can read and print w. Acrobat Reader 6.0.1, but now we have hit a snag. To make a choral octavo, my usual practice is to assign the Finale page size to 7 x 8.5, then print 2-up as a staple-bound booklet on folded legal paper. The options for 2-up printing and for booklet printing (the page-range box) are in the Finale popup menu in the Print dialog, so I cannot execute them in Reader. There must be a way for the composer to embed these instructions in his pdf files, but neither of us has any idea how. I think he has the full Acrobat program, but I don't know what version. I have only the Reader. Any advice? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] File overwrite bug
Karen Guthery schrieb: I actually reboot nearly as often as I shower. I shower more often only because traffic on the 405 here in LA is such that you get to know your lane neighbor pretty well and the stinky police are out in force heading into the summer. This small rule (both in showering and rebooting, the latter of which I do every day under heavy usage..for that matter I do the former the same or more under heavy usage as well) has kept the Finale overwrite bug away for me (breaking the former keeps people awaywhich isn't always a bad thing save those who I really like to be around...you know who you are!) So I would have to agree with Christopher in total noting that he is much more thorough in his research and findings. As far as I understand the file overwrite bug has nothing to do with rebooting, it is a bug in Finale. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] File overwrite bug
On May 3, 2005, at 5:48 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: As far as I understand the file overwrite bug has nothing to do with rebooting, it is a bug in Finale. Johannes As I had mentioned, though, the bug seems to occur when Finale has been open and running for a long time, which might be the result of some sort of build-up that can be avoided by rebooting (or quitting and re-launching Finale at a minimum.) I agree that it is a bug in Finale, the question is what to do to avoid it until it can be hunted down by the friendly folks at MakeMusic. Whether it is the result of my avoidance of editing Text blocks, or my new habit of occasional re-boots, I haven't seen the bug in a number of months, and only once in the last year or so. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] File overwrite bug
On 3 May 2005 at 8:21, Christopher Smith wrote: On May 3, 2005, at 5:48 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: As far as I understand the file overwrite bug has nothing to do with rebooting, it is a bug in Finale. As I had mentioned, though, the bug seems to occur when Finale has been open and running for a long time, which might be the result of some sort of build-up that can be avoided by rebooting (or quitting and re-launching Finale at a minimum.) . . . Quitting and restarting Finale is not a reboot, which is a term reserved for the operating system. . . . I agree that it is a bug in Finale, the question is what to do to avoid it until it can be hunted down by the friendly folks at MakeMusic. There is one possibility of a bug in the OS that could lead to a problem, and that's if Finale has any memory leaks that persist after it's closed. If the OS is not completely releasing Finale's memory after Finale is closed, or if it allocates more memory to Finale after a restart, then the OS has a problem. In old (and long obsolete) versions of Windows (Win95, Win98, WinME), there was a limitation on certain resources that could cause the OS to become unstable after a certain time if programs did not clean up these resources appropriately. But nobody in their right mind would leave Win9x running full-time without daily reboots, so the problem only happened with people who were treating Win9x as though it was a modern operating system, and who had software that had *bad* memory leaks (it took quite a bit of bad behavior on the part of a program to hit the limits). Whether it is the result of my avoidance of editing Text blocks, or my new habit of occasional re-boots, I haven't seen the bug in a number of months, and only once in the last year or so. None of the modern OS's should require rebooting, ever. All NT-based versions of Windows and OS X have memory management and resource limits that should allow them to run for months, if not years, without reboots. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello parts
I take it there's no tradition whatsoever in which the cb bass clef is played 8ba and the cb treble clef 16ba? That means that the recording I have is just fulla beans, eh? ... -- David W. Fenton Use of the treble clef in any cb part of that era is so very rare that one can hardly speak of a tradition of any kind, and I would imagine each case has to be treated as unique. I would agree with you, then, that the meaning of the notation must be determined by examining the musical results produced by various interpretations. Unfortunately, it is a rare performer indeed who thinks that way. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello parts
David W. Fenton wrote: I take it there's no tradition whatsoever in which the cb bass clef is played 8ba and the cb treble clef 16ba? That means that the recording I have is just fulla beans, eh? ... Andrew Stiller wrote: Use of the treble clef in any cb part of that era is so very rare that one can hardly speak of a tradition of any kind, and I would imagine each case has to be treated as unique. I would agree with you, then, that the meaning of the notation must be determined by examining the musical results produced by various interpretations. Unfortunately, it is a rare performer indeed who thinks that way. I will disagree with that statement, especially with the doublebass players that I know. (My son is a college doublebass student, so I have had more than a fair share of contact with serious doublebass players, and trombonists often seem to hang with bass players anyway.) They take the instrument, the notation, and, especially, an older unique situation such as you describe very seriously and would consider carefully the context before deciding in which octave a controversial passage should be played. Also, if a conductor is involved, his or her decision is often considered final, but the educated player will often advise.) I apologize that I wasn't paying close attention when the original example was described, but it does seem logical that, if it was in a day when cellists routinely saw treble clef 8ba, doublebass players may have seen it intended to sound 15ba. But I can't weigh in more heavily without knowing more. Certainly by the time some of the modern school of bass player/composers came along, the treble would have changed to only 8ba, but I don't know in whose day that would be: Dragonetti, Bottesini, or Koussevitzky? (Quick! Just where did I put all those rare bass MSS?) The day when cellists saw the assumed 8ba treble clef was not so ancient, BTW. I have seen scores of Tchaikovsky's Overture _Romeo and Juliet_ (1869-80) that use that clef for the celli. (I believe the modern published parts changed it to tenor clef). (Signing off to try GPO with the new DIMS (now up to 2 Gig total) that just arrived on my doorstep. I'm so excited!) Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist Louisville Orchestra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello part
On 3 May 2005 at 13:06, Andrew Stiller wrote: I take it there's no tradition whatsoever in which the cb bass clef is played 8ba and the cb treble clef 16ba? That means that the recording I have is just fulla beans, eh? ... -- David W. Fenton Use of the treble clef in any cb part of that era is so very rare that one can hardly speak of a tradition of any kind, and I would imagine each case has to be treated as unique. I would agree with you, then, that the meaning of the notation must be determined by examining the musical results produced by various interpretations. Unfortunately, it is a rare performer indeed who thinks that way. Well, it's clear that the performer in this instance *did* consider the problems and made a choice that required rewriting the musical text in order to be able to play it (i.e., having to make an octave leap that does not exist in the written text). I've never understood why musicians ever choose interpretations that require additional adjustments. It just seems overly complicated. The only explanation that makes sense is that playing it correctly is somehow impossible or extremely difficult on the modern contrabass. Is there anyone on the list who plays contrabass and is familiar with Per questa bella mano? I could certain scan some of the score and put it up for people to look at, if they need to see it (also maybe an MP3 of the recording). -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf booklets
I do what you want all the time, except that I do it in a larger size but the process is the same. Here is the procedure: prepare what you are going to print in multiples of four, eight, sixteens,etc. even when your documents don't have the exact number of pages, that is, if you have a document with, say, six or seven pages, prepare it as if it had eight, leaving the rest of the pages in blank. In the cases where the document has eight pages , which requires that you print four on each piece of paper ( two on each side) your numbering should be 8-1 on one side and 7-2 on the other side, the second piece of paper should be numbered thus: 6-3 on one side and 4-5 on the other side (left to right on both cases, I clarify this because I don't know if you are from oriental procedence where reading as well as counting is done from right to left) . If you are going to print direct from Finale all you have to do is instruct the program to print according to the instructions given above. I take it you already know how to do this. Now, if you are going to print your booklets from a PDF that's a different story because you need, number one the professional version of acrobat and number two an imposition program which is what is going to instruct Acrobat and the printer on how to distribute the pages according to the needed layout. You can visit Planet PDF where you'll find different imposition programs to suit your needs. Should this explanation be insufficient or not clear enough I will be glad to extend myself in the subject. In the meantime I remain yours, truly. GR Andrew Stiller wrote: I have FinMac 2K4, and I'm working w. a composer who uses FinMac 2K5. We had arranged that he would make pdf files of his scores, which I can read and print w. Acrobat Reader 6.0.1, but now we have hit a snag. To make a choral octavo, my usual practice is to assign the Finale page size to 7 x 8.5, then print 2-up as a staple-bound booklet on folded legal paper. The options for 2-up printing and for booklet printing (the page-range box) are in the Finale popup menu in the Print dialog, so I cannot execute them in Reader. There must be a way for the composer to embed these instructions in his pdf files, but neither of us has any idea how. I think he has the full Acrobat program, but I don't know what version. I have only the Reader. Any advice? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello parts
fairly common in the score (when in C), but of course not in the parts. From: Robert Patterson Another angle is whether treble (and for that matter, tenor) clef on a double bass should be played *at pitch*. I believe many contemporary composers call for that, although my understanding is that they make a notation to the effect in the score if so. -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf booklets
I think Johannes Gebauer mentioned CocoaBooklet. This is a free OSX utility that takes page-oriented PDFs and produces booklet-oriented PDFs from them, which you can then print directly with the free version of Adobe Reader or with Preview. I use CocoaBooklet all the time and recommend it highly. If you have the Finale mus files, you can also print to a booklet-oriented PDF directly from Finale. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello part
Sure, send both. I'll give you my email privately. My son is quite accomplished, although not really a history buff on the instrument, but I see knowledgeable bass players daily who may know the work. Please give the full context again, as i was dozing the first time around. Once, as a high school sophomore, when following a score and listening to a recording of a Russian orchestra playing Shostakovitch's suite from _The Golden Age_, I just about dropped my jaw when the baritone horn player on the record took the high concert D down an octave (a note even I could play at the time). That taught me that you may hear anything on a recording. On another recording I heard a lot around the same time, my sister's favorite record of the same composers Fifth symphony (NY Phil, Lennie B.), I liked the effect the composer got in the first movement - as the tutti is building on the climactic open fifth whole notes before the end of the movement, the trombones would crash in on a quarter note, then rest before entering in the next bar for good. Later, when I got a score, I was quite surprised to see that they were merely coming in a bar early and trying to suck the note back in to their horns! Like I said - you're liable to hear anything on a recording. RBH David W. Fenton wrote: Is there anyone on the list who plays contrabass and is familiar with Per questa bella mano? I could certain scan some of the score and put it up for people to look at, if they need to see it (also maybe an MP3 of the recording). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Lyrics grace notes
Hi all, Is it possible to get lyrics to reduce in size when attached to grace notes? I'm in FinMac 2003. Thanks for any help. John Roberts ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes
On May 3, 2005, at 5:31 PM, John Roberts wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to get lyrics to reduce in size when attached to grace notes? I'm in FinMac 2003. Thanks for any help. I see the problem. If you simply reduced the note in size, then the lyric (and any expressions or articulations attached) reduce, too (unless one has set the font to fixed.) But then it isn't a grace note, as it takes up beats in the measure. What I would do is to find the syllable in the Edit Lyrics window, select it, and choose FontSize and then the point size I want. The Mac shortcut for this in 2005 is Cmd-sh-comma, to reduce point size by one. You would have to hit it 3 times to go from say 12 to 9. I hope it works in 2003, because going to the menu for every instance would get old real fast. You will have to repeat it for each instance. 8-( Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Treble clef for double basses
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David W. Fenton writes: Of course, I have no idea what the conventions are for treble clef notation in the contrabass in the regular repertory. Maybe it is normally played two octaves below notated pitch and the Mozart is the exception. Not in Shostakovich (10th Symphony, Scherzo), where it transposes just like the bass clef. I can't think of anywhere else that I have met it, though I far prefer it to leger lines above tenor. -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes
At 5:31 PM -0400 5/3/05, John Roberts wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to get lyrics to reduce in size when attached to grace notes? I'm in FinMac 2003. Thanks for any help. I'm curious. Why would you want to? John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes
Me, too. Why? Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:14:00 -0400 At 5:31 PM -0400 5/3/05, John Roberts wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to get lyrics to reduce in size when attached to grace notes? I'm in FinMac 2003. Thanks for any help. I'm curious. Why would you want to? John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes
On 4 May 2005, at 01:49, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: John Roberts wrote: Unlike with percentage tool-reduced notes, lyrics to not shrink with grace notes, even with fixed size unchecked. Articulations do, expressions do, but lyrics don't. (At least not in the file I'm working on). So I thought I'd sound out the wisdom of the list. OK, I think this is how I'd do it: go to options document settings notation options, make a note of the figure in the grace note box, and then change the value to 100. Now, notate your grace note, use the re-size tool to change the size to the value you noted in the notation option box for the grace note, and then apply the key to make the note you just entered and resized a grace. If I've reasoned it out correctly, what this should do, is give you a regular note, which you manually resize, in the process resizing the lyric and everything else associated with the note, and then making it the reduces size note a grace note of 100 percent size, which will give it all the other characteristics (such as not adding a fraction of a beat) of a grace note. That's most ingenious, but by my calculation very slightly more labour intensive than Christopher Smith's more prosaic suggestion of resizing the syllable in Edit Lyrics. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes
Most ingenious indeed! I like it! I have hundreds of lyric symbols, and at a rate of six per grace note I see a great advantage in Noel's method. Further, I don't have to identify each grace note character in the lyrics edit box (one character per note, I'd have to count, I think). With only two primary symbols (open and closed hole) I could use copy paste there to some effect, but I still think it'd be much more difficult and prone to error. Thanks, Noel. John On 5/3/05 9:03 PM, John Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 May 2005, at 01:49, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: John Roberts wrote: Unlike with percentage tool-reduced notes, lyrics to not shrink with grace notes, even with fixed size unchecked. Articulations do, expressions do, but lyrics don't. (At least not in the file I'm working on). So I thought I'd sound out the wisdom of the list. OK, I think this is how I'd do it: go to options document settings notation options, make a note of the figure in the grace note box, and then change the value to 100. Now, notate your grace note, use the re-size tool to change the size to the value you noted in the notation option box for the grace note, and then apply the key to make the note you just entered and resized a grace. If I've reasoned it out correctly, what this should do, is give you a regular note, which you manually resize, in the process resizing the lyric and everything else associated with the note, and then making it the reduces size note a grace note of 100 percent size, which will give it all the other characteristics (such as not adding a fraction of a beat) of a grace note. That's most ingenious, but by my calculation very slightly more labour intensive than Christopher Smith's more prosaic suggestion of resizing the syllable in Edit Lyrics. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes
On May 3, 2005, at 9:03 PM, John Bell wrote: On 4 May 2005, at 01:49, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: OK, I think this is how I'd do it: go to options document settings notation options, make a note of the figure in the grace note box, and then change the value to 100. Now, notate your grace note, use the re-size tool to change the size to the value you noted in the notation option box for the grace note, and then apply the key to make the note you just entered and resized a grace. If I've reasoned it out correctly, what this should do, is give you a regular note, which you manually resize, in the process resizing the lyric and everything else associated with the note, and then making it the reduces size note a grace note of 100 percent size, which will give it all the other characteristics (such as not adding a fraction of a beat) of a grace note. That's most ingenious, but by my calculation very slightly more labour intensive than Christopher Smith's more prosaic suggestion of resizing the syllable in Edit Lyrics. John Not if he has SIX verses of solid and open holes to resize! I vote for Noel's method! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes
On 4 May 2005, at 02:28, Christopher Smith wrote: Not if he has SIX verses of solid and open holes to resize! I vote for Noel's method! On 4 May 2005, at 02:21, John Roberts wrote: Most ingenious indeed! I like it! I have hundreds of lyric symbols, and at a rate of six per grace note I see a great advantage in Noel's method. Sorry, I was wrong. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes
On May 3, 2005, at 10:41 PM, John Bell wrote: Sorry, I was wrong. Well not really, if he had only one to do. We didn't know he had hundreds until he explained it. Yours was good, too! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] File overwrite bug
David W. Fenton / 2005/05/03 / 12:38 PM wrote: None of the modern OS's should require rebooting, ever. All NT-based versions of Windows and OS X have memory management and resource limits that should allow them to run for months, if not years, without reboots. But you wouldn't know that since you are forced to reboot by security patches on Windows almost every week, no? :-) Sorry, I couldn't resist! To be serious, if I do any disk cache intensive work on either Win2K or OSX, machine slows down until reboot after 2-3 days. Tiger improved vmstack a lot so I might not need to reboot that often anymore. We will see. Oh, and I can see how XP does, too, once I can finish setting it up!! -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
