Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
Hi Darcy, I had already looked at the system profiler and determined that I have an nVidia card - too bad! (I know, it's hard to tell from some of my posts what level of Mac savvy I have because there are a few things about which I know a little, and others about which I know only enough to get myself into trouble!) I am aware that the Radeon 9200 supports Versavision, and I agree, it's not that expensive, if you need the rotation feature. Cheers to you too, Darcy All the best, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Looking into this further, it seems there's a fair bit of confusion about the issue at the moment. So far as I can tell, the leading theory is that screen rotation is only supported on ATI video cards, not (yet) on nVidia cards -- which is possibly why Apple hasn't promoted this new Tiger feature at all. You can use Apple System Profiler to determine which model of video card you have -- just launch ASP and click on the PCI/AGP Cards tab. At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 May 2005, at 12:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy, So say you, and others, but there's no place I can find (I am on 10.4) where I can access that. What am I missing? I have been directed to Syatem prefs - displays by others (John Bell, if I remember correctly) but there's nothing there to indicate a possibility of rotation. Someone else suggested that some older cards do not support this. Who is wrong? I'd be delighted to get the rotation without spending more money. Thanks, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chuck, Screen rotation is supported at the OS level for 10.4. You should be able to use screen rotation with your existing video card once you upgrade to 10.4. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) Beware, Chris. This feature depends on having a graphics card which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this feature. I will only really need this the next time I work on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13 vertical dimension that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary (and expensive) card then. Too bad. I am disappointed. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
Hey Chuck, If it's any consolation, I would guess that support for screen rotation on nVidia cards is in the works. After all, Apple write the nVidia drivers themselves (nVidia provide only the hardware design), and the current situation is a bit of a nightmare. It's actually disappointing and very un-Apple like for them to release an OS with an almost completely undocumented feature that only works on one manufacturer's video cards. When features like screen rotation are introduced, they are supposed to just work. Clearly this feature is causing a tremendous amount of confusion, and it really looks like they should have kept it under wraps it until they could get it to work on (at least) all currently shipping Macs, regardless of video card manufacturer. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 May 2005, at 12:50 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy, I had already looked at the system profiler and determined that I have an nVidia card - too bad! (I know, it's hard to tell from some of my posts what level of Mac savvy I have because there are a few things about which I know a little, and others about which I know only enough to get myself into trouble!) I am aware that the Radeon 9200 supports Versavision, and I agree, it's not that expensive, if you need the rotation feature. Cheers to you too, Darcy All the best, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Looking into this further, it seems there's a fair bit of confusion about the issue at the moment. So far as I can tell, the leading theory is that screen rotation is only supported on ATI video cards, not (yet) on nVidia cards -- which is possibly why Apple hasn't promoted this new Tiger feature at all. You can use Apple System Profiler to determine which model of video card you have -- just launch ASP and click on the PCI/AGP Cards tab. At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 May 2005, at 12:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy, So say you, and others, but there's no place I can find (I am on 10.4) where I can access that. What am I missing? I have been directed to Syatem prefs - displays by others (John Bell, if I remember correctly) but there's nothing there to indicate a possibility of rotation. Someone else suggested that some older cards do not support this. Who is wrong? I'd be delighted to get the rotation without spending more money. Thanks, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chuck, Screen rotation is supported at the OS level for 10.4. You should be able to use screen rotation with your existing video card once you upgrade to 10.4. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) Beware, Chris. This feature depends on having a graphics card which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this feature. I will only really need this the next time I work on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13 vertical dimension that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary (and expensive) card then. Too bad. I am disappointed. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] March Size
For those who have already successfully found a set of settings to print a part out at marching band size, could you share the values you use? (I'd be printing to 8 1/2 x 11, and the paper would then be cut down.) Neal Schermerhorn ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: .eps Export/Import into Word
i don't remember exactly what you are trying to do, but individually defining small pages (eg. 1.5 x 1.5) can be done in page layout, make sure to select this page only. for notation legends, i set up a document with one staff, place only symbol/example per page (page format = 288x432 EVPUs), and export individual pages as TIFs which i then import into word... which deals with graphics in a really sucky way. i haven't used EPS because i found it was unusable, that the onscreen and print output looked like crap. in the past, i printed these pages to pdf, then copy-pasted into the final pdf doc, but i found this process to be prone to error (for me). -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] March Size
On 22 May 2005 at 13:27, Neal Schermerhorn wrote: For those who have already successfully found a set of settings to print a part out at marching band size, could you share the values you use? (I'd be printing to 8 1/2 x 11, and the paper would then be cut down.) Isn't it by definition half of octavo size? I photocopied literally thousands of such pages during my band librarian days, and it was always a matter of copying onto 8.5 x 11 and trimming the right margin and then cutting in half. If the parts are all one march-size page each, you'd want to have the margins for half the parts placing the part at the top of the page (with the bottom blank), and the other half of the parts on the bottom half of the page, You'd then have to feed each page through the printer twice. And you'd want to group similar parts based on the number you are printing (you may be supplying only one master part, but the user will be photocopying those to create a part set of the right number for their band). Of course, I'm assuming you want to distribute the parts uncut, as all the music publishers do it. And, yes, it does sound like a pain, but you'd need only two sets of margins, one for top parts and one for bottom parts. Any two-page parts (trumpets and percussion often take up two pages, with one page for other instruments) will be easy, but that does mean a 3rd set of margins. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: the [insert composer] effect
The Mozart Effect -- playing classical music to your children raises their IQ -- has been pretty well debunked: http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/february2/mozart-020205.html A blogger considers, however, the effect of playing music by other composers to your child: Liszt effect: Child speaks rapidly and extravagantly, but never really says anything important. Brahms effect: Child plagiarizes so forcefully that onlookers marvel at his learning, scholarship, and of course, force. Bruckner effect: Child speaks very slowly and repeats himself frequently. Gains reputation for profundity. Wagner effect: Child becomes a megalomaniac. May eventually marry his sister. Mahler effect: Child continually screams - at great length and volume - that he's dying. Verdi effect: Child continually screams. Schoenberg effect: Child never repeats a word until he's used all the other words in his vocabulary. Sometimes talks backwards. Eventually, people stop listening to him. Child blames them for their inability to understand him. Webern effect: Child. Babbitt effect: Child gibbers nonsense all the time. Eventually, people stop listening to him. Child doesn't care because all his playmates think he's cool. -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Independent Time Signatures Music Spacing
Am I correct that if you have independent time signatures in a score, that note spacing doesn't work for the independent time signature (as opposed to the real time signature)? I've never used independent time signatures before, but am now transcribing a piano quartet from 1796 where in the 6/8 Rondo at the end, the piano switches back and forth between 6/8 and 2/4 while the string parts stay in 6/8. I was delighted to discover that independent time signatures allowed me to do this, but now that I've got all the notes in, I've discovered that music spacing just doesn't work well at all. If I apply time signature spacing to the 2/4 part, it's OK except for the sections with accidentals. Is there any solution to this? Or is this yet another of the myriad half-baked feature in Finale that no one has really completely finished? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] March Size
Current settings for american marching band music is 7 x 10 for a full sheet. I've seen and measured several companies outputs and that seems to be the closest to a standard out there. Scott On May 22, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Neal Schermerhorn wrote: For those who have already successfully found a set of settings to print a part out at marching band size, could you share the values you use? (I'd be printing to 8 1/2 x 11, and the paper would then be cut down.) Neal Schermerhorn ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] March Size
Neal Schermerhorn wrote: For those who have already successfully found a set of settings to print a part out at marching band size, could you share the values you use? (I'd be printing to 8 1/2 x 11, and the paper would then be cut down.) Neal Schermerhorn ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I just printed a marching band arrangement. In page layout, I changed the page size to width: 6.75, height: 5.25, Landscape. I then printed each part on a single sheet of 8.5x11 in portrait mode. I used my word processor to print special paper with a vertical line running the length of the page at 6.75 from the left edge, and a horizontal line running 6.75 in, printing at 5.25 from the top edge, as an easy guide for cutting the pages apart. Then I printed all the parts in Finale on that paper and cut out half of them and taped them into the guidelines, so I could simply photocopy these masters. I printed several copies of certain parts where a band would need more of that particular instrument, so that in the end I can simply photocopy 2 of each sheet and have a complete band set. I didn't bother with trying to print twice on the same sheet, to avoid the cut-and-tape assembly step, simply because I figured it would take longer to work that out than to do it my way. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Independent Time Signatures Music Spacing
Which version of Finale are you using? Note spacing with independent time signatures was broken for several years, but as far as I know it works correctly in Finale 2005. If you're using 2005 and there's still a problem, I'd be interested to have more details: maybe you could send me a copy of the problematic passage. Michael Cook On 22 May 2005, at 20:28, David W. Fenton wrote: Am I correct that if you have independent time signatures in a score, that note spacing doesn't work for the independent time signature (as opposed to the real time signature)? I've never used independent time signatures before, but am now transcribing a piano quartet from 1796 where in the 6/8 Rondo at the end, the piano switches back and forth between 6/8 and 2/4 while the string parts stay in 6/8. I was delighted to discover that independent time signatures allowed me to do this, but now that I've got all the notes in, I've discovered that music spacing just doesn't work well at all. If I apply time signature spacing to the 2/4 part, it's OK except for the sections with accidentals. Is there any solution to this? Or is this yet another of the myriad half-baked feature in Finale that no one has really completely finished? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: the [insert composer] effect
John Adams Effect: Child repeats same sentence fragments for 90 minutes. Parents fall into confused slumber. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of shirling neueweise Sent: Sun 22-May-05 12:55 To: finale@shsu.edu Cc: Subject: [Finale] OT: the [insert composer] effect The Mozart Effect -- playing classical music to your children raises their IQ -- has been pretty well debunked: http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/february2/mozart-020205.html A blogger considers, however, the effect of playing music by other composers to your child: Liszt effect: Child speaks rapidly and extravagantly, but never really says anything important. Brahms effect: Child plagiarizes so forcefully that onlookers marvel at his learning, scholarship, and of course, force. Bruckner effect: Child speaks very slowly and repeats himself frequently. Gains reputation for profundity. Wagner effect: Child becomes a megalomaniac. May eventually marry his sister. Mahler effect: Child continually screams - at great length and volume - that he's dying. Verdi effect: Child continually screams. Schoenberg effect: Child never repeats a word until he's used all the other words in his vocabulary. Sometimes talks backwards. Eventually, people stop listening to him. Child blames them for their inability to understand him. Webern effect: Child. Babbitt effect: Child gibbers nonsense all the time. Eventually, people stop listening to him. Child doesn't care because all his playmates think he's cool. -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Independent Time Signatures Music Spacing
On 22 May 2005 at 21:36, Michael Cook wrote: Which version of Finale are you using? Note spacing with independent time signatures was broken for several years, but as far as I know it works correctly in Finale 2005. If you're using 2005 and there's still a problem, I'd be interested to have more details: maybe you could send me a copy of the problematic passage. I'm using WinFin2K3. I am not planning to upgrade because of two reasons: 1. the activation systemm without key escrow, AND 2. not enough useful new features/fixes to justify the upgrade. While I'd love to have correct spacing for this particular file, this is the first time in nearly 15 years of my use of Finale that I've used it. Should I ever need it again, I'll make the time signature change cosmetic and enter the notes as tuplets. That would have been very easy in the present case because it's rhythmically homogenous, so I could easily use the CAPS LOCK in speedy entry to enter it very fast. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
Darcy wrote: At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so). Just a word of advice - if you buy the 9200, just make sure that you buy the AGP version, as the PCI version with all the bells and whistles unfortunately doesn't use Quartz Extreme acceleration. This is a problem if you're using a big screen - the menus etc. are glacial, as I found out from bitter experience! And if you buy the 9600 OEM model instead, you won't get screen rotation until you upgrade to OS X 10.4 Tiger. Also discovered from experience... Matthew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 22/05/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
In an exchange with MacSupport, they told me that the ultra low-res preview image was the result of design. If they had included a high-res preview, then your word processing file would have been huge. I complained, and said that the resolution was so low I couldn't proof my word-processing document without printing it out, which of course adds yet another useless step to the already fussy procedure. I suggested that there be a user-selectionable image resolution, set low by default if they like, but the default should be user-adjustable. Maybe a slider. They said they would forward it to feature requests, but it will die there unless other people write in and ask for it as well. I complained too. But in the meantime I have switched to 600dpi TIFF images so I can read and check music on screen, which like you I like to do. They look good. -- Rocky Road - in Oz Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar, Galactica, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest, for a shining planet known as Earth. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
On May 22, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Rocky Road wrote: In an exchange with MacSupport, they told me that the ultra low-res preview image was the result of design. If they had included a high-res preview, then your word processing file would have been huge. I complained, and said that the resolution was so low I couldn't proof my word-processing document without printing it out, which of course adds yet another useless step to the already fussy procedure. I suggested that there be a user-selectionable image resolution, set low by default if they like, but the default should be user-adjustable. Maybe a slider. They said they would forward it to feature requests, but it will die there unless other people write in and ask for it as well. I complained too. But in the meantime I have switched to 600dpi TIFF images so I can read and check music on screen, which like you I like to do. They look good. But you can't resize them without getting mondo jaggies. That's the main thing in favour of EPS inserts. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] March Size
On May 22, 2005, at 3:15 PM, dhbailey wrote: Neal Schermerhorn wrote: I didn't bother with trying to print twice on the same sheet, to avoid the cut-and-tape assembly step, simply because I figured it would take longer to work that out than to do it my way. This is where EPS and a program like pagemaker or Quark comes in handy. I used to eps all my marching band files, create a template in Pagemaker and insert the file twice as an EPS. That would give me two copies on one page. Then I would print all my work. Much easier than cutting and tapeing paper copies! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
