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Haroldo: I don't have much to offer by way of help in recovering the hours of work you lost, bug for future use, if you don't already, you might consider adopting the practice of incremental back-ups. When I'm working on a large project, the first thing I do each time I open the file, is to save the file with a new name, and on a regular basis, but every time I leave the computer, I save the file, re-open it, and immediately save with a new name. So, the first save may be "myfile000.mus", the second "myfile001.mus", &c. This doesn't prevent problems with corrupted files, but while I've lost work because of file corruption, and other problems, the amount of time I've lost is on the order of minutes worth, not hours. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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You should really also invest in an external drive or something to start using Time Machine. It has saved my butt more times than I can count. And it is transparent... On May 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > Yes, that is scary all right. Last year I lost a whole score. I only had the > original and the backup. Both got corrupted. Thanks for replying. I'm "saving > as" with names like myFile1, myFile2, etc., as David Fenton suggested. > Harold > > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yes, that is scary all right. Last year I lost a whole score. I only had the original and the backup. Both got corrupted. Thanks for replying. I'm "saving as" with names like myFile1, myFile2, etc., as David Fenton suggested. Harold At 22:36 -0400 07/05/10, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Hi Harold, > >The file corruption occurred while the document was open, at least 20 minutes >before you had to Force Quit. File corruption is invisible -- there is no way >to tell it has happened until you try to open files that have been saved after >the corruption has occurred. You can continue to work for quite a long time >after file corruption occurs, and from your perspective, everything seems >normal. That's what's so scary about it. > >- DJA >- >WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > >On 7 May 2010, at 10:11 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > >> Yes, and I am aware of that, but what I don't understand is why three >> backups of the corrupted file went bad all at once. As I was working on the >> score, I had three backups, one of them was the auto saved ".asv.mus", saved >> just a few minutes before. Finale became irresponsive and I had to force >> quit. When I tried to open the file, after restart, I got the error message. >> So I double clicked first the "asv.mus" backup, which gave me the same error >> (weird...) then I tried a "saved as" from about 10 minutes before, with no >> luck, and then a backup on another disk, of about 20 minutes before. Same >> error -39 in all files. Any ideas? >> >> Haroldcopy >> >> >> At 21:06 -0400 07/05/10, Darcy James Argue wrote: >>> Guys, >>> >>> Haroldo is suffering from file corruption (error. -39). A quick search of >>> http://support.apple.com reveals the following: >>> >>> http://support.apple.com/kb/TA46648?viewlocale=en_US >>> The -39 error is an "End Of File" error. The most likely cause of the error is a corrupt data file. The only real fix is to restore the data file from a backup or recreate it if there isn't a good backup available. >>> >>> >>> No amount of disk repair is going to help. Those files are toast. He is, >>> unfortunately, SOL. >>> >>> All he can do is revert to an earlier version, which he has already done. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> - DJA >>> - >>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>> >>> On 7 May 2010, at 8:45 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: >>> Repairing permissions isn't going to help Reboot, hold down APPLE and the S key and do the fsck it says to do. On May 7, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > At 19:08 -0400 07/05/10, dhbailey wrote: >> Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >>> Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the >>> same error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the >>> ".asv" copy and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file >>> was still open, it was already corrupted when both copies were made. >>> >> >> Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? >> >> I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users >> "trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, >> and perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. >> >> -- > > > I did reboot, I trashed the preferences file, I repaired the permissions. > I also had a fourth back up copy on an external disk which also gives me > the same error. All together there are four copies of documents > corrupted, showing the same error (-39) and they all are zero KB. I did > back up my work, because this happened before, but it seems it is no use > backing up any way. The latest usable copy I have is one I "saved as" > yesterday , with a different name. But today's work is gone, many hours > of it. Thanks for replying. > Harold > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 7 May 2010, at 11:02 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > I would hesitate to blame this directly on Finale. I am pretty sure this is a Finale issue and not an OS issue. I've never, ever, experienced file corruption using any other Mac OS X app. But it seems to happen on a fairly regular basis for MacFin power users. I haven't seen it myself in a few years (knock on wood) but I know others have, including several Mac users on this list. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 7 May 2010, at 11:02 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > You save it and in the process, it gets corrupted on disk. > > When you do that, the previous, uncorrupted version, is renamed to be > the backup file, MyMusic.bak. At this point, MyMusic.bak is not > corrupt, but MyMusic.mus is corrupt. I can't speak to FinWin, but that's not how it works on FinMac. The "Make Backups When Saving Files" option merely generates a duplicate version whenever you choose "Save" or "Save As." It does not auto-rename previously-saved versions. The autosave feature simply saves the document in whatever state it happens to be in when the autosave daemon kicks in. If you have file corruption, then autosave kicks in, and you manually save the document, you are SOL. You will have to quit Finale, then revert to a version that was saved under a different name before the corruption occurred. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 7 May 2010 at 22:43, Darcy James Argue wrote: > In other words, it's a Finale error, not an OS error. Something went > wrong while working with your document in Finale, and after that > point, everything you saved, by whatever method (autosave, > auto-backup, manual save, Save As, etc) was corrupt. Not necessarily. It depends on how Finale makes its backups and autosave files. Say you have a file open, MyMusic.mus. You save it and in the process, it gets corrupted on disk. When you do that, the previous, uncorrupted version, is renamed to be the backup file, MyMusic.bak. At this point, MyMusic.bak is not corrupt, but MyMusic.mus is corrupt. The next time you save, the corrupt MyMusic.mus is written over the uncorrupted MyMusic.bak, and now you have two corrupt files. I don't know how the autosave file is created, but if the same problem that created the corruption in the saved file kicks in for the autosave file, that, too, will be corrupt. Whatever was interfering with the writing of a noncorrupt file image to disk would get propagated with each set of saves. On the other hand, you could preserve the uncorrupted versions if you did a SAVE AS each time under a new name instead of a SAVE, because those would be new files, rather than overwriting uncorrupt versions with the corrupted version. I would hesitate to blame this directly on Finale. On the other hand, it would terrify me if I found out my OS's file system was not reliable. So, I'd tend to blame something else that got in the way of Finale communicating properly with the file system. On Windows, that could very easily be an AV program, but nobody on Mac runs those, so I wouldn't know what the source of the problem could be. Disturbing, indeed, no matter what. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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In other words, it's a Finale error, not an OS error. Something went wrong while working with your document in Finale, and after that point, everything you saved, by whatever method (autosave, auto-backup, manual save, Save As, etc) was corrupt. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 7 May 2010, at 10:36 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Hi Harold, > > The file corruption occurred while the document was open, at least 20 minutes > before you had to Force Quit. File corruption is invisible -- there is no way > to tell it has happened until you try to open files that have been saved > after the corruption has occurred. You can continue to work for quite a long > time after file corruption occurs, and from your perspective, everything > seems normal. That's what's so scary about it. > > - DJA > - > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > On 7 May 2010, at 10:11 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > >> Yes, and I am aware of that, but what I don't understand is why three >> backups of the corrupted file went bad all at once. As I was working on the >> score, I had three backups, one of them was the auto saved ".asv.mus", saved >> just a few minutes before. Finale became irresponsive and I had to force >> quit. When I tried to open the file, after restart, I got the error message. >> So I double clicked first the "asv.mus" backup, which gave me the same error >> (weird...) then I tried a "saved as" from about 10 minutes before, with no >> luck, and then a backup on another disk, of about 20 minutes before. Same >> error -39 in all files. Any ideas? >> >> Haroldcopy >> >> >> At 21:06 -0400 07/05/10, Darcy James Argue wrote: >>> Guys, >>> >>> Haroldo is suffering from file corruption (error. -39). A quick search of >>> http://support.apple.com reveals the following: >>> >>> http://support.apple.com/kb/TA46648?viewlocale=en_US >>> The -39 error is an "End Of File" error. The most likely cause of the error is a corrupt data file. The only real fix is to restore the data file from a backup or recreate it if there isn't a good backup available. >>> >>> >>> No amount of disk repair is going to help. Those files are toast. He is, >>> unfortunately, SOL. >>> >>> All he can do is revert to an earlier version, which he has already done. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> - DJA >>> - >>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>> >>> On 7 May 2010, at 8:45 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: >>> Repairing permissions isn't going to help Reboot, hold down APPLE and the S key and do the fsck it says to do. On May 7, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > At 19:08 -0400 07/05/10, dhbailey wrote: >> Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >>> Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the >>> same error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the >>> ".asv" copy and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file >>> was still open, it was already corrupted when both copies were made. >>> >> >> Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? >> >> I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users >> "trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, >> and perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. >> >> -- > > > I did reboot, I trashed the preferences file, I repaired the permissions. > I also had a fourth back up copy on an external disk which also gives me > the same error. All together there are four copies of documents > corrupted, showing the same error (-39) and they all are zero KB. I did > back up my work, because this happened before, but it seems it is no use > backing up any way. The latest usable copy I have is one I "saved as" > yesterday , with a different name. But today's work is gone, many hours > of it. Thanks for replying. > Harold > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Harold, The file corruption occurred while the document was open, at least 20 minutes before you had to Force Quit. File corruption is invisible -- there is no way to tell it has happened until you try to open files that have been saved after the corruption has occurred. You can continue to work for quite a long time after file corruption occurs, and from your perspective, everything seems normal. That's what's so scary about it. - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 7 May 2010, at 10:11 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > Yes, and I am aware of that, but what I don't understand is why three backups > of the corrupted file went bad all at once. As I was working on the score, I > had three backups, one of them was the auto saved ".asv.mus", saved just a > few minutes before. Finale became irresponsive and I had to force quit. When > I tried to open the file, after restart, I got the error message. So I double > clicked first the "asv.mus" backup, which gave me the same error (weird...) > then I tried a "saved as" from about 10 minutes before, with no luck, and > then a backup on another disk, of about 20 minutes before. Same error -39 in > all files. Any ideas? > > Haroldcopy > > > At 21:06 -0400 07/05/10, Darcy James Argue wrote: >> Guys, >> >> Haroldo is suffering from file corruption (error. -39). A quick search of >> http://support.apple.com reveals the following: >> >> http://support.apple.com/kb/TA46648?viewlocale=en_US >> >>> The -39 error is an "End Of File" error. The most likely cause of the error >>> is a corrupt data file. The only real fix is to restore the data file from >>> a backup or recreate it if there isn't a good backup available. >> >> >> No amount of disk repair is going to help. Those files are toast. He is, >> unfortunately, SOL. >> >> All he can do is revert to an earlier version, which he has already done. >> >> Cheers, >> >> - DJA >> - >> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >> >> On 7 May 2010, at 8:45 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: >> >>> Repairing permissions isn't going to help >>> >>> Reboot, hold down APPLE and the S key and do the fsck it says to do. >>> >>> >>> On May 7, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >>> At 19:08 -0400 07/05/10, dhbailey wrote: > Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >> Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the >> same error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the >> ".asv" copy and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file >> was still open, it was already corrupted when both copies were made. >> > > Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? > > I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users > "trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, > and perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. > > -- I did reboot, I trashed the preferences file, I repaired the permissions. I also had a fourth back up copy on an external disk which also gives me the same error. All together there are four copies of documents corrupted, showing the same error (-39) and they all are zero KB. I did back up my work, because this happened before, but it seems it is no use backing up any way. The latest usable copy I have is one I "saved as" yesterday , with a different name. But today's work is gone, many hours of it. Thanks for replying. Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yes, and I am aware of that, but what I don't understand is why three backups of the corrupted file went bad all at once. As I was working on the score, I had three backups, one of them was the auto saved ".asv.mus", saved just a few minutes before. Finale became irresponsive and I had to force quit. When I tried to open the file, after restart, I got the error message. So I double clicked first the "asv.mus" backup, which gave me the same error (weird...) then I tried a "saved as" from about 10 minutes before, with no luck, and then a backup on another disk, of about 20 minutes before. Same error -39 in all files. Any ideas? Haroldcopy At 21:06 -0400 07/05/10, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Guys, > >Haroldo is suffering from file corruption (error. -39). A quick search of >http://support.apple.com reveals the following: > >http://support.apple.com/kb/TA46648?viewlocale=en_US > >> The -39 error is an "End Of File" error. The most likely cause of the error >> is a corrupt data file. The only real fix is to restore the data file from a >> backup or recreate it if there isn't a good backup available. > > >No amount of disk repair is going to help. Those files are toast. He is, >unfortunately, SOL. > >All he can do is revert to an earlier version, which he has already done. > >Cheers, > >- DJA >- >WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > >On 7 May 2010, at 8:45 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > >> Repairing permissions isn't going to help >> >> Reboot, hold down APPLE and the S key and do the fsck it says to do. >> >> >> On May 7, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >> >>> At 19:08 -0400 07/05/10, dhbailey wrote: Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the > same error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the > ".asv" copy and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file was > still open, it was already corrupted when both copies were made. > Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users "trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, and perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. -- >>> >>> >>> I did reboot, I trashed the preferences file, I repaired the permissions. I >>> also had a fourth back up copy on an external disk which also gives me the >>> same error. All together there are four copies of documents corrupted, >>> showing the same error (-39) and they all are zero KB. I did back up my >>> work, because this happened before, but it seems it is no use backing up >>> any way. The latest usable copy I have is one I "saved as" yesterday , >>> with a different name. But today's work is gone, many hours of it. Thanks >>> for replying. >>> Harold >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Fri, May 7, 2010 8:07 pm, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > Thanks, but all of this is unecessary. Won't do. The files are corrupted, > period. Maybe export as XML will prevent further losses. I'll try that. The old save-to-ETF used to fix the file error problems, but it's no longer an option. For general -39 errors, this is from the Apple support site: === Type -39 error (Logical End-of-file reached during read operation) The Macintosh was expecting a marker to show it where the end of the file is on the disk. That marker is either missing or is in the wrong place. A crash is the most common cause, however a disk error or corrupt file can also cause this. Solutions: Recovering the file frequently fixes the problem. If it does not, make a clone of a backup, open the clone and try to import from the file that is giving the -39 error message. In other applications, using an Import or Insert command from inside a new document frequently works around the problem. You also might move/copy the file to another volume. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Guys, Haroldo is suffering from file corruption (error. -39). A quick search of http://support.apple.com reveals the following: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA46648?viewlocale=en_US > The -39 error is an "End Of File" error. The most likely cause of the error > is a corrupt data file. The only real fix is to restore the data file from a > backup or recreate it if there isn't a good backup available. No amount of disk repair is going to help. Those files are toast. He is, unfortunately, SOL. All he can do is revert to an earlier version, which he has already done. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 7 May 2010, at 8:45 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Repairing permissions isn't going to help > > Reboot, hold down APPLE and the S key and do the fsck it says to do. > > > On May 7, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > >> At 19:08 -0400 07/05/10, dhbailey wrote: >>> Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the same error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the ".asv" copy and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file was still open, it was already corrupted when both copies were made. >>> >>> Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? >>> >>> I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users >>> "trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, and >>> perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. >>> >>> -- >> >> >> I did reboot, I trashed the preferences file, I repaired the permissions. I >> also had a fourth back up copy on an external disk which also gives me the >> same error. All together there are four copies of documents corrupted, >> showing the same error (-39) and they all are zero KB. I did back up my >> work, because this happened before, but it seems it is no use backing up any >> way. The latest usable copy I have is one I "saved as" yesterday , with a >> different name. But today's work is gone, many hours of it. Thanks for >> replying. >> Harold >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Repairing permissions isn't going to help Reboot, hold down APPLE and the S key and do the fsck it says to do. On May 7, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > At 19:08 -0400 07/05/10, dhbailey wrote: >> Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >>> Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the same >>> error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the ".asv" copy >>> and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file was still open, >>> it was already corrupted when both copies were made. >>> >> >> Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? >> >> I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users >> "trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, and >> perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. >> >> -- > > > I did reboot, I trashed the preferences file, I repaired the permissions. I > also had a fourth back up copy on an external disk which also gives me the > same error. All together there are four copies of documents corrupted, > showing the same error (-39) and they all are zero KB. I did back up my work, > because this happened before, but it seems it is no use backing up any way. > The latest usable copy I have is one I "saved as" yesterday , with a > different name. But today's work is gone, many hours of it. Thanks for > replying. > Harold > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Thanks, but all of this is unecessary. Won't do. The files are corrupted, period. Maybe export as XML will prevent further losses. I'll try that. Harold At 9:30 +1000 08/05/10, Graeme Gerrard wrote: >Yes. >Sounds like the files are okay (?). >Reboot, reinstall Finale, download the upgrades. Reboot. >Is you OS up to date? Which version are you running? > >Try again. You could also try exporting as MusicXML as a further backup >measure? > > > >On 08/05/2010, at 9:08 AM, dhbailey wrote: > >> Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >>> Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the same >>> error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the ".asv" copy >>> and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file was still open, >>> it was already corrupted when both copies were made. >> >> Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? >> >> I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users >> "trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, and >> perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. >> >> -- >> David H. Bailey >> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >-- >Graeme Gerrard >www.resonant.com.au >02 6494 5387 / 0414 396 754 > > > > > > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 19:08 -0400 07/05/10, dhbailey wrote: >Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >>Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the same >>error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the ".asv" copy >>and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file was still open, it >>was already corrupted when both copies were made. >> > >Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? > >I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users >"trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, and >perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. > >-- I did reboot, I trashed the preferences file, I repaired the permissions. I also had a fourth back up copy on an external disk which also gives me the same error. All together there are four copies of documents corrupted, showing the same error (-39) and they all are zero KB. I did back up my work, because this happened before, but it seems it is no use backing up any way. The latest usable copy I have is one I "saved as" yesterday , with a different name. But today's work is gone, many hours of it. Thanks for replying. Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yes. Sounds like the files are okay (?). Reboot, reinstall Finale, download the upgrades. Reboot. Is you OS up to date? Which version are you running? Try again. You could also try exporting as MusicXML as a further backup measure? On 08/05/2010, at 9:08 AM, dhbailey wrote: > Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >> Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the same >> error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the ".asv" copy >> and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file was still open, it >> was already corrupted when both copies were made. > > Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? > > I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users > "trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, and > perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. > > -- > David H. Bailey > dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale –– Graeme Gerrard www.resonant.com.au 02 6494 5387 / 0414 396 754 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the same error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the ".asv" copy and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file was still open, it was already corrupted when both copies were made. Have you rebooted your computer since that started happening? I don't know Macs at all, but I do recall reading about having Mac users "trash their preferences" as a solution to several different problems, and perhaps that might help here? Just a thought. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I have experience the same problem in the past and it has happened when I have somehow messed up by doing illegal commands, or simply made unreasonable requests, I guess you could say, with tools or mass mover or such. The only thing that I could do was to go the most recent good file and recopy it to a new template which I made to match the document as I had evolved it to be at the time I contaminated it. Usually the reconstruction process was not all that long or tedious as I knew exactly what I wanted to do. Annoying, but in the end you will come out with a better product. tim On May 7, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the same error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the ".asv" copy and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file was still open, it was already corrupted when both copies were made. Harold At 18:37 -0400 07/05/10, timothy price wrote: Did you not have a "copy" of the file also? This is usually the case with Finale. Also, I always do a save as, every time I close a file after working on it. That way, I will always have a file that is very recent to revert to if I lose the present one. I may not help your present situation, but it will never happen again if you do this. tim On May 7, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: This is the third score I've lost. I spent hours of work on this one, and when tried to open it I got this message: "While attempting to open file [fileName] the File Manager reported an error. -39" Is there any way of getting it back? I have the autosave on, but the file.asv.mus is gone, just the same, and another copy I made with the "save as" command is gone too. Macbook, Finale 2009 I think this, as well as the others were originally 2008 files saved as 2009, erased and started anew. Any hope here? Thanks, Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale timothy price timothy.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale timothy price timothy.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 7 May 2010 at 18:11, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > This is the third score I've lost. I spent hours of work on this one, > and when tried to open it I got this message: > > "While attempting to open file [fileName] the File Manager reported an > error. -39" > > Is there any way of getting it back? I have the autosave on, but the > file.asv.mus is gone, just the same, and another copy I made with the > "save as" command is gone too. > > Macbook, Finale 2009 > > I think this, as well as the others were originally 2008 files saved > as 2009, erased and started anew. Do you have Time Machine turned on? If not, it won't help you now, but you should turn it on so that you'd be able to revert to earlier versions should this happen again. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yes, I do have a copy "saved as". I said that on my post. It gives the same error. All three files give the same error: the main file, the ".asv" copy and the "saved as" copy. It seems as if although the file was still open, it was already corrupted when both copies were made. Harold At 18:37 -0400 07/05/10, timothy price wrote: >Did you not have a "copy" of the file also? This is usually the case with >Finale. Also, I always do a save as, every time I close a file after working >on it. >That way, I will always have a file that is very recent to revert to if I lose >the present one. I may not help your present situation, but it will never >happen again >if you do this. > >tim > > > >On May 7, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: > >>This is the third score I've lost. I spent hours of work on this one, and >>when tried to open it I got this message: >> >>"While attempting to open file [fileName] the File Manager reported an error. >>-39" >> >>Is there any way of getting it back? I have the autosave on, but the >>file.asv.mus is gone, just the same, and another copy I made with the "save >>as" command is gone too. >> >>Macbook, Finale 2009 >> >>I think this, as well as the others were originally 2008 files saved as 2009, >>erased and started anew. >> >>Any hope here? >>Thanks, >>Harold >>___ >>Finale mailing list >>Finale@shsu.edu >>http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >timothy price >timothy.pr...@valley.net > > > > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hours of work lost -
Did you not have a "copy" of the file also? This is usually the case with Finale. Also, I always do a save as, every time I close a file after working on it. That way, I will always have a file that is very recent to revert to if I lose the present one. I may not help your present situation, but it will never happen again if you do this. tim On May 7, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: This is the third score I've lost. I spent hours of work on this one, and when tried to open it I got this message: "While attempting to open file [fileName] the File Manager reported an error. -39" Is there any way of getting it back? I have the autosave on, but the file.asv.mus is gone, just the same, and another copy I made with the "save as" command is gone too. Macbook, Finale 2009 I think this, as well as the others were originally 2008 files saved as 2009, erased and started anew. Any hope here? Thanks, Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale timothy price timothy.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Hours of work lost -
This is the third score I've lost. I spent hours of work on this one, and when tried to open it I got this message: "While attempting to open file [fileName] the File Manager reported an error. -39" Is there any way of getting it back? I have the autosave on, but the file.asv.mus is gone, just the same, and another copy I made with the "save as" command is gone too. Macbook, Finale 2009 I think this, as well as the others were originally 2008 files saved as 2009, erased and started anew. Any hope here? Thanks, Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Organ Playing Question
On May 7, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Are there any organists on this list? I'm looking at Messiaen La Nativite Book 2, p. 3. (La Verbe). In the third system, marked "Lent et puissant", there are three manual staves (in addition to the pedal staff). I don't understand how you play the first measure in that system, since it is above the pedal range. It seems like you would need a third hand. I'm not an organist and I don't have the piece in question, but in organ music extra staves almost always mean and extra manual has been brought into play. I would guess Messiaen wants two different manual timbres, and the notes on the extra manual (which would usually be on the top staff) are to be played by the same two hands that handle the other two manuals, and no "third hand" should be needed. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Question on performance
FYI Robert Patterson: In response to your question about Messiaen organ performance issue. Dear Timothy, I used to play that by having the hands on a higher manual, and playing the extra line with my thumbs on the lower manual. It only works if the manuals are adjacent, though. Another alternative would perhaps be to remove the 16 feet registers from the pedal and play that line in the pedal, one octave lower, and then quickly add the 16 feet and continue playing in the pedal. Hope it helps, Pedro drei...@gmail.com On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 14:58, timothy price wrote: Mr. Utrecht: Perhaps you could offer some insight for a friend's inquiry. I'm looking at Messiaen La Nativite Book 2, p. 3. (La Verbe). In the third system, marked "Lentet puissant", there are three manual staves (in addition to the pedal staff). I don't understand how you play the first measure in that system, since it is above the pedal range. It seems like you would need a third hand. Do you have performance knowledge to answer this? Thank you. timothy price timothy.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: Organ Playing Question
I am an organist but I do not currently have a copy of the work so I cannot comment on your question. Scan it and send it to me and I will be glad to help. Guy Hayden dumu...@cox.net -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Patterson Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:17 AM To: Finale Subject: [Finale] OT: Organ Playing Question Are there any organists on this list? I'm looking at Messiaen La Nativite Book 2, p. 3. (La Verbe). In the third system, marked "Lent et puissant", there are three manual staves (in addition to the pedal staff). I don't understand how you play the first measure in that system, since it is above the pedal range. It seems like you would need a third hand. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Organ Playing Question
Are there any organists on this list? I'm looking at Messiaen La Nativite Book 2, p. 3. (La Verbe). In the third system, marked "Lent et puissant", there are three manual staves (in addition to the pedal staff). I don't understand how you play the first measure in that system, since it is above the pedal range. It seems like you would need a third hand. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
