Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
On 2012-07-05 00:06, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oh, and boy hasn't that resulted in a TON of great products and updates from MakeMusic….I mean, MusicXML is taking the world by storm….. Yes, MusicXML is very widely used for notation conversion. And I believe MusicXML was just one of the reasons for merging with Recordare. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
On 7/5/2012 4:06 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2012-07-05 00:06, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oh, and boy hasn't that resulted in a TON of great products and updates from MakeMusic….I mean, MusicXML is taking the world by storm….. Yes, MusicXML is very widely used for notation conversion. And I believe MusicXML was just one of the reasons for merging with Recordare. Curious -- what else did Recordare do? -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
On 7/4/2012 3:06 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Indeed. It would have made MORE sense to acquire TGTools than the also-ran Garritan. They may have tried and Tobias may well have said No. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
On 7/4/2012 6:06 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oh, and boy hasn't that resulted in a TON of great products and updates from MakeMusic….I mean, MusicXML is taking the world by storm….. Sarcasm aside, MusicXML has slowly been expanding its place in the computer/music world, providing an inter-application file transfer capability that was lacking. It was never meant to take the world by storm. And it has provided the often longed-for backward compatibility issue for Finale users, even if only back to the first version of Finale that included MusicXML import capabilities. I hope that MusicXML can continue it's slow but steady expansion into other music applications. In my opinion buying MusicXML made more sense than buying Garritan. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
On 7/4/2012 2:23 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Really? They'd go from their paid former jobs to go work on a FREE piece of software….. That is fantasy. Avid is keeping Sibelius though…..so I doubt they would let key programmers go for it. Well, yeah, it's a fantasy -- all the stuff we're discussing about this is fantasy. If they close their British offices the employees there will have a choice -- move to the U.S. (if the offer of continued employment is made) or find other work. If I had spent many years building a great piece of software and then didn't want to leave my native country because some backwards-thinking corporate shirts didn't want to maintain an office in my native country any more, I might consider putting my talents to work for free (while also finding other employment, it is to be hoped, but in today's economy that might be tough) to better a program that would drive my former competitor to its knees. But even if Avid is keeping Sibelius (which seems to be happening) what's to happen to the programmers who choose not to uproot their families and leave their native country? I would hope that they could telecommute, although without an office to work from, it might be harder to work as a team. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
On 7/4/2012 2:35 PM, Henry Howey wrote: I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable. MakeMusic MUST acquire and maintain TGTOOLS. I'm sure Garritan and MusicXML were not cheap. TGTOOLS would be much less. MakeMusic acquiring TGTools would depend on Tobias's willingness to sell -- not everything is for sale and he might simply pull the plug on the whole thing. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GROUPS, barlines, instr names
Hi Kim - Groups were reworked in 2011. The short answer is to double click a handle on the brace of the 1st system. Make any changes you want to the group setup here (ie. unchecking show group name). In the upper right hand corner you'll see the group has a defined range. Checking all measures for this group definition will apply it to the entire part. JB Sent from my iPhone using my thumbs w/out a spellchecker On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Kim Richmond jazz...@kimrichmond.com wrote: Here's a question I've been meaning to ask for years and never have. I'm working with MacFin2011. On piano parts, some grand staves have barlines reaching through the staves (treble and bass) the way I want them to, but other systems, later on in the part have barlines only on EACH staff. What is the remedy for that? In Staff Tool/Groups I have designated I want barlines THROUGH both staves. Also, so systems have have Piano out to the left. In Staff Tool/Groups I have designated No Name, also, in the Staff dialog, I have no name. All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] change Default Page Format for Parts_
This should be easy, but I'm not having any luck with the manual. How do I globally change the default settings in the Page Format for Parts window? The To change the default page layout instructions in the manual apply only to future pages in the _open_ document, not to all future pages in future docs. But surely this must be possible? Or do I have to be a programmer and go into the innards of the program, as is done to adapt Finale to the various international conventions? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GROUPS, barlines, instr names
Thanks JB. Checking all measures does it for the barlines. However, the staff name piano still appears to the left of SOME systems. When I select the handle on one it eliminates the staff name on THAT page (and that page only), but also eliminates the name from the score (which I don't want). Any solution there? Thanks, All the best, KIM R On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: JRB j...@blanemusic.com Subject: Re: [Finale] GROUPS, barlines, instr names To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: f6756be5-2913-4538-9cb6-fbeea4425...@blanemusic.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Kim - Groups were reworked in 2011. The short answer is to double click a handle on the brace of the 1st system. Make any changes you want to the group setup here (ie. unchecking show group name). In the upper right hand corner you'll see the group has a defined range. Checking all measures for this group definition will apply it to the entire part. JB ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
Avid aren't moving the Sibelius jobs to the US. They are moving the jobs to Eastern Europe. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 5 Jul 2012, at 5:31 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 7/4/2012 2:23 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Really? They'd go from their paid former jobs to go work on a FREE piece of software….. That is fantasy. Avid is keeping Sibelius though…..so I doubt they would let key programmers go for it. Well, yeah, it's a fantasy -- all the stuff we're discussing about this is fantasy. If they close their British offices the employees there will have a choice -- move to the U.S. (if the offer of continued employment is made) or find other work. If I had spent many years building a great piece of software and then didn't want to leave my native country because some backwards-thinking corporate shirts didn't want to maintain an office in my native country any more, I might consider putting my talents to work for free (while also finding other employment, it is to be hoped, but in today's economy that might be tough) to better a program that would drive my former competitor to its knees. But even if Avid is keeping Sibelius (which seems to be happening) what's to happen to the programmers who choose not to uproot their families and leave their native country? I would hope that they could telecommute, although without an office to work from, it might be harder to work as a team. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
On 2012-07-04 22:34, John Blane wrote: I can't help thinking that if MM ever had a handle on how we worked with Finale, they might have integrated the kinds of plug-ins and innovations we have come to depend on Tobias for. They are indispensable, indeed. I would not assume that MM could pick up where he left off or maintain TGTools as is. MM has redesigned the staff systems in each of the last 2 versions among other improvements/changes. It is no wonder that TGTools doesn't work the same in this area without an update from Tobias. Technically, there's just a change regarding the staves in Fin2011. The Fin2012 changes is mainly UI changes. An idea regarding TGTools (along the lines of MM buing it) would perhaps be to see if a Kickstarter account could be set up to buy TGTools to put it as open source? Please be aware though, that the Windows version might be very dependent on Borland's compilers. It seems to me that Jari is our future and is slowly providing all of the functionality of TGTools and then some that is up-to-date. It may be more beneficial for us to support his efforts than to look to MM to fill these needs. I'm not your future. ;-) I create what I need. A while ago, I decided to not be dependent on TGTools, and ideally I don't want to be dependent on most of the built-in plug-ins, the Utilities menu or the Layout Tool or Special Tools. JW Change is the first plug-in that's fully using this approach. However, I'm dependent on Robert Patterson's plug-ins, plug-ins which I think are very good! Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
On 2012-07-05 11:40, David H. Bailey wrote: Curious -- what else did Recordare do? I don't think the merge is just about buying existing products, it's more long-term than that. What Gary and Michael can add to MM might very well show up in the next major Finale release. To me, both the Recordare and Garritan purchases is very logical. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] change Default Page Format for Parts_
On 7/5/2012 1:22 PM, Eric Fiedler wrote: The To change the default page layout instructions in the manual apply only to future pages in the_open_ document, not to all future pages in future docs. If I'm understanding you correctly, what you want to do is open up a new document, adjust the page layout to your liking, and then save this document as a template, either in the Templates or Document Styles directory. Any new documents you create through the setup wizard based on that template or document style will then inherit that page layout. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GROUPS, barlines, instr names
Can't be sure what is happening without seeing it but try this: Go back to your score and make sure you have defined the piano group throughout the whole chart. Now return to the part and change the group to not display the name. That might fix your problem. Generating the piano part again may also do it but you may not want lose the work you've done on it. Also, make sure you're changing the group definition to not display the name as opposed to deleting it. You can definitely have the score label and remove it in the part - there just seems to be a necessary order to doing it. Hope that helps! John Blane Blane Music Preparation 1649 Huntington Ln. Highland Park, IL 60035 847 579-9900 847 579-9903 fax www.BlaneMusic.com j...@blanemusic.com On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: Thanks JB. Checking all measures does it for the barlines. However, the staff name piano still appears to the left of SOME systems. When I select the handle on one it eliminates the staff name on THAT page (and that page only), but also eliminates the name from the score (which I don't want). Any solution there? Thanks, All the best, KIM R On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: JRB j...@blanemusic.com Subject: Re: [Finale] GROUPS, barlines, instr names To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: f6756be5-2913-4538-9cb6-fbeea4425...@blanemusic.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Kim - Groups were reworked in 2011. The short answer is to double click a handle on the brace of the 1st system. Make any changes you want to the group setup here (ie. unchecking show group name). In the upper right hand corner you'll see the group has a defined range. Checking all measures for this group definition will apply it to the entire part. JB ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] change Default Page Format for Parts_
Once your default page settings are entered, then in the Page Layout Tool select Redefine PagesSelected Pages of Selected Parts/Score and choose All Parts from the dropdown menu. Leave everything else as is and hit Okay. This will make ALL parts pages conform to the default settings. Now do this edit to your default document and you will never have to touch it again. You don't mention your platform or version, and this procedure is different in different versions and platforms, so you'll have to do some research. Christopher On Thu Jul 5, at ThursdayJul 5 1:22 PM, Eric Fiedler wrote: This should be easy, but I'm not having any luck with the manual. How do I globally change the default settings in the Page Format for Parts window? The To change the default page layout instructions in the manual apply only to future pages in the _open_ document, not to all future pages in future docs. But surely this must be possible? Or do I have to be a programmer and go into the innards of the program, as is done to adapt Finale to the various international conventions? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012
By far the TGTool that I use the most is Fit Music, where you can highlight whatever section of the music you want and tell Finale to fit it into X number of systems. I use this for virtually every piece I work on. Or almost all… In 2011 and now 2012 it seems broken. Sometimes it just doesn't space music evenly, cramming some systems full of music and leaving others pretty sparse. Sometimes re-doing the command fixes it, but more often not. If it doesn't fit in, say 17 systems, I'll try 16 or 18 -- sometimes it works, sometimes not. VERY frustrating.. Does anyone else run into this problem? I haven't seen mention of it, and I can't imagine being the only one. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] change Default Page Format for Parts?
Aaron and Christopher, Thanks for your mails. So your solution is to edit either the master template — which is a good idea for the future — or the master document before making parts from it. My problem is that I have a gazillion older scores — each with 20-30 movements saved as individual files — from which I need to make parts. So what I've been doing up to now is: open each file individually and change its Page Format for Parts before making parts from it. But this is very-time-and-concentration consuming, to say nothing of bring mind-and-carpal-tunnel-numbingly boring and I had hoped to be able to edit the default file that comes with (the American Version of) Finale. Do you or anyone else know if it's possible to batch edit a large number of files in this sense — without running the risk of making a _really_ big mess? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] change Default Page Format for Parts?
On 7/5/2012 3:27 PM, Eric Fiedler wrote: My problem is that I have a gazillion older scores — each with 20-30 movements saved as individual files — from which I need to make parts. So what I've been doing up to now is: open each file individually and change its Page Format for Parts before making parts from it. That's probably a job for FinaleScript, which allows this kind of batch processing capability. But I've never used it much and can't offer advice. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012
I also use Fit Music extensively. I have not noticed any problems at all with using it in 2011 or 2012. Rick Neal On 7/5/2012 1:49 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: By far the TGTool that I use the most is Fit Music, where you can highlight whatever section of the music you want and tell Finale to fit it into X number of systems. I use this for virtually every piece I work on. Or almost all… In 2011 and now 2012 it seems broken. Sometimes it just doesn't space music evenly, cramming some systems full of music and leaving others pretty sparse. Sometimes re-doing the command fixes it, but more often not. If it doesn't fit in, say 17 systems, I'll try 16 or 18 -- sometimes it works, sometimes not. VERY frustrating.. Does anyone else run into this problem? I haven't seen mention of it, and I can't imagine being the only one. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Rick Neal Teacher, Composer, Bassist, Guitarist, Arranger rickm...@gmail.com nea...@mcsk12.net http://www.teacherweb.com/tn/stlouis/rickneal ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012
There is a Fit Measures TGTool, as well as a function of the same name (and similar capabilities) built into Finale. Are you both referring to the same thing? -Lee -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Neal Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:04 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012 I also use Fit Music extensively. I have not noticed any problems at all with using it in 2011 or 2012. Rick Neal On 7/5/2012 1:49 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: By far the TGTool that I use the most is Fit Music, where you can highlight whatever section of the music you want and tell Finale to fit it into X number of systems. I use this for virtually every piece I work on. Or almost all. In 2011 and now 2012 it seems broken. Sometimes it just doesn't space music evenly, cramming some systems full of music and leaving others pretty sparse. Sometimes re-doing the command fixes it, but more often not. If it doesn't fit in, say 17 systems, I'll try 16 or 18 -- sometimes it works, sometimes not. VERY frustrating.. Does anyone else run into this problem? I haven't seen mention of it, and I can't imagine being the only one. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012
I use the TGTool Fit Measures because it allows you to specify how many systems you want the highlighted area to use. Rick On 7/5/2012 7:11 PM, Lee Actor wrote: There is a Fit Measures TGTool, as well as a function of the same name (and similar capabilities) built into Finale. Are you both referring to the same thing? -Lee -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Neal Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:04 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012 I also use Fit Music extensively. I have not noticed any problems at all with using it in 2011 or 2012. Rick Neal On 7/5/2012 1:49 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: By far the TGTool that I use the most is Fit Music, where you can highlight whatever section of the music you want and tell Finale to fit it into X number of systems. I use this for virtually every piece I work on. Or almost all. In 2011 and now 2012 it seems broken. Sometimes it just doesn't space music evenly, cramming some systems full of music and leaving others pretty sparse. Sometimes re-doing the command fixes it, but more often not. If it doesn't fit in, say 17 systems, I'll try 16 or 18 -- sometimes it works, sometimes not. VERY frustrating.. Does anyone else run into this problem? I haven't seen mention of it, and I can't imagine being the only one. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Rick Neal Teacher, Composer, Bassist, Guitarist, Arranger rickm...@gmail.com nea...@mcsk12.net http://www.teacherweb.com/tn/stlouis/rickneal ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
