Re: [Finale] Dorico test importing Finale XML
It seems that Dorico did not include some (maybe all) text expressions in its import. When I ran the XML into Finale, the text expressions show but mostly collide with other elements. Dorico doesn't really have "text expressions" in the same sense that Finale uses them. With Dorico, you have regular text (single staff) and system text (applies to all staves). Dorico also has tempo markings and playing techniques. The things people put into text expressions in Finale would go either into regular text , tempo markings or playing techniques with Dorico, and evidently there is no such conversion in the XML importer. But had those elements been brought in through the import, they would not have collided. By default, nothing collides. You can forcibly make elements collide by manually placing them in ENGRAVE mode, or you can disable the "avoid collisions" property. I have heard of some cases where this doesn't perfectly avoid collisions, but I have never seen any collisions. There is a downside, however. I tend to use a lot of rehearsal marks, and I also often include either a tempo marking or system text at the same barline where the rehearsal mark is placed. For example, rehearsal mark C might also say "Trumpet solo". In those cases, the collision avoidance seems to stack these elements vertically. It doesn't collide, but it may place the staffs very far apart in order to avoid the collision. I can move the elements manually to relieve the stacking, but the staffs remain spaced apart. They don't adjust themselves after I relieve the stacking. So I may have to adjust some of the staff spacing manually. But a key point is that by default, the parts are all completely playable, even if not ideally laid out. If you are racing to get a piece done in time for a rehearsal, you don't have to leave an extra hour or two to fiddle with parts just to make them playable. On 1/30/2019 12:08 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: Impressive results! Thanks for sharing! Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 10:28 PM Craig Parmerlee OK, here are the results Score: https://app.box.com/s/n7pi05swx2hve4wk71znvg409geju45b Parts: https://app.box.com/s/slp2py2olo3404gcpnlq9i30w3m4h0g9 I emphasize I did ZERO EDITING. All I did was: 1) Open Dorico 2) Import your XML file 3) Print score 4) Print parts That all took about i minute. I chose to use Dorico's internal PDF creator which is really very nice and extremely fast. But one shortcoming is that it creates a separate PDF for each part, so I also did 5) Opened PdfSAM Visual to merge all the parts into one file. That took about 3 minutes -- longer than it took to create the parts in Dorico. The layouts aren't perfect. I'd certainly edit them a little. But a key point is that in almost every case, the parts are usable without any editing if you are in a big rush to get something out for rehearsal. On 1/28/2019 4:21 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: Hi Craig, thanks for volunteering to do a little test. Here is an orchestra job that has a bit of everything, yet not long. Not sure what will translate, maybe there is too much information in this XML file. Let me know if I should prepare it differently to get a better result (for test purposes). But I’m really anxious to see how little one needs to touch to get a good result. Thanks again, Thomas PS - I took out title and credits and copyright to be on the safe side. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Dorico test importing Finale XML
Impressive results! Thanks for sharing! Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 10:28 PM Craig Parmerlee OK, here are the results > Score: https://app.box.com/s/n7pi05swx2hve4wk71znvg409geju45b > Parts: https://app.box.com/s/slp2py2olo3404gcpnlq9i30w3m4h0g9 > > I emphasize I did ZERO EDITING. All I did was: > > 1) Open Dorico > 2) Import your XML file > 3) Print score > 4) Print parts > > That all took about i minute. I chose to use Dorico's internal PDF > creator which is really very nice and extremely fast. But one > shortcoming is that it creates a separate PDF for each part, so I also did > > 5) Opened PdfSAM Visual to merge all the parts into one file. That took > about 3 minutes -- longer than it took to create the parts in Dorico. > > The layouts aren't perfect. I'd certainly edit them a little. But a > key point is that in almost every case, the parts are usable without any > editing if you are in a big rush to get something out for rehearsal. > > > On 1/28/2019 4:21 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > thanks for volunteering to do a little test. > > Here is an orchestra job that has a bit of everything, yet not long. > > Not sure what will translate, maybe there is too much information in > > this XML file. > > Let me know if I should prepare it differently to get a better result > > (for test purposes). > > But I’m really anxious to see how little one needs to touch to get a > > good result. > > Thanks again, > > Thomas > > PS - I took out title and credits and copyright to be on the safe side. > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Enharmonic key signature?
Got it — I did try it as a new staff style, so I could still use JD’s solution but apply it only to that part of the score that was in E Major. Thanks again for the help! — Mike > On Jan 29, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Michael Meyer wrote: > > Thanks, JD — that worked! Unfortunately, though, the E Major section is later > in the piece, and these settings caused earlier key signatures to display > double-flats and all sorts of nonsense! Do you (or does anyone else) know if > I can change it for just this E Major section? I think that’s something I can > do with a staff style, but I tend to be really bad at staff styles. > > — Mike > >> On Jan 29, 2019, at 12:38 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: >> >> I got this to work correctly, but it’s way convoluted. In the staff >> transposition dialog, from Score Manager, change the staff transposition to >> Other, uncheck Simplify Key, put 9 in the interval field and -10 in the key >> alter field. Leave it in treble obviously. >> >> I did this just now in Finale 25 and I got the proper transposition. In >> reading the online manual for this dialog, the part pertaining to the >> interval and key alter, I got a headache. So I had another cup of coffee >> and moved on. Whew!! This should be easier (and maybe it is). >> >> *** >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> >> >>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Michael Meyer wrote: >>> >>> Hi all — >>> >>> I thought I knew how to do this, but it’s not working. FinMac26. >>> >>> Concert key is E Major. Have a tenor sax part that displays F# Major, but I >>> need it to display Gb Major instead. >>> >>> I thought I did this in ScoreManager for the instrument’s Transposition, >>> either by checking or un-checking the box for “Simplify Key” — but doing >>> that hasn’t changed the displayed key signature from F# Major. >>> >>> Am I doing it wrong? Is it actually something/somewhere else? >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> — Mike >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Enharmonic key signature?
Thanks, JD — that worked! Unfortunately, though, the E Major section is later in the piece, and these settings caused earlier key signatures to display double-flats and all sorts of nonsense! Do you (or does anyone else) know if I can change it for just this E Major section? I think that’s something I can do with a staff style, but I tend to be really bad at staff styles. — Mike > On Jan 29, 2019, at 12:38 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: > > I got this to work correctly, but it’s way convoluted. In the staff > transposition dialog, from Score Manager, change the staff transposition to > Other, uncheck Simplify Key, put 9 in the interval field and -10 in the key > alter field. Leave it in treble obviously. > > I did this just now in Finale 25 and I got the proper transposition. In > reading the online manual for this dialog, the part pertaining to the > interval and key alter, I got a headache. So I had another cup of coffee and > moved on. Whew!! This should be easier (and maybe it is). > > *** > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > >> On Jan 29, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Michael Meyer wrote: >> >> Hi all — >> >> I thought I knew how to do this, but it’s not working. FinMac26. >> >> Concert key is E Major. Have a tenor sax part that displays F# Major, but I >> need it to display Gb Major instead. >> >> I thought I did this in ScoreManager for the instrument’s Transposition, >> either by checking or un-checking the box for “Simplify Key” — but doing >> that hasn’t changed the displayed key signature from F# Major. >> >> Am I doing it wrong? Is it actually something/somewhere else? >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> — Mike >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Enharmonic key signature?
I got this to work correctly, but it’s way convoluted. In the staff transposition dialog, from Score Manager, change the staff transposition to Other, uncheck Simplify Key, put 9 in the interval field and -10 in the key alter field. Leave it in treble obviously. I did this just now in Finale 25 and I got the proper transposition. In reading the online manual for this dialog, the part pertaining to the interval and key alter, I got a headache. So I had another cup of coffee and moved on. Whew!! This should be easier (and maybe it is). *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Jan 29, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Michael Meyer wrote: > > Hi all — > > I thought I knew how to do this, but it’s not working. FinMac26. > > Concert key is E Major. Have a tenor sax part that displays F# Major, but I > need it to display Gb Major instead. > > I thought I did this in ScoreManager for the instrument’s Transposition, > either by checking or un-checking the box for “Simplify Key” — but doing that > hasn’t changed the displayed key signature from F# Major. > > Am I doing it wrong? Is it actually something/somewhere else? > > Thanks for any help. > > — Mike > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Enharmonic key signature?
Hi all — I thought I knew how to do this, but it’s not working. FinMac26. Concert key is E Major. Have a tenor sax part that displays F# Major, but I need it to display Gb Major instead. I thought I did this in ScoreManager for the instrument’s Transposition, either by checking or un-checking the box for “Simplify Key” — but doing that hasn’t changed the displayed key signature from F# Major. Am I doing it wrong? Is it actually something/somewhere else? Thanks for any help. — Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
