Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
I think I get it now. The Bill Duncan fonts - for which I hadn't thought to install the FAN files into 2k8, push other objects out of the way when the FAN files are absent, so it looks as if normal objects are also messed up when, in fact, only the non-Finale fonts are the culprits. So take Darcy's advice, if the problem appears, and copy all "foreign" FAN files into the new version's Font Annotation folder, and it should clear up. Chuck On Jul 13, 2007, at 2:13 AM, dhbailey wrote: Randolph Peters wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. I wonder if Chuck's problem goes back to the Fin2005 origins of his file. I just opened a Fin2007 file in Fin2008 and noticed no such displacement of expressions and articulations. As with each new version over the years, I think that any such misbehavior may well be on a file-by-file basis, and the further back the origins of the file, the worse the potential problems we need to be aware of. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Randolph Peters wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. I wonder if Chuck's problem goes back to the Fin2005 origins of his file. I just opened a Fin2007 file in Fin2008 and noticed no such displacement of expressions and articulations. As with each new version over the years, I think that any such misbehavior may well be on a file-by-file basis, and the further back the origins of the file, the worse the potential problems we need to be aware of. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Hi Darcy, This affects Maestro expressions too, so I don't know - but I'll do what you suggest, because it makes perfect sense for the BD fonts. BTW, I'll be in NY from the 22nd to the 28th - playing at Kitano on the 25th - with Don Friedman and Joe Hunt, and then recording with them in NJ on the 26th. I'll be staying at Dave Berger's apt on 106th and B'way, and I'll have my cell phone. Be glad to hear from you and to get together if you will have any time during those days. Fond regards, Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, You must remember to always copy your FAN files for any custom fonts you use to your Fin2008 FAN folder. Hold down option when dragging to make a copy instead of moving (so that your old FAN files will remain in place.) Also, don't overwrite any of the MM-supplied FAN files that come with Fin2008. Only copy the FAN files for third-party fonts. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Jul 2007, at 6:58 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? I guess there will be a period of this kind of thing, but this is not the only anomaly I've found in working today. There has been strange page layout behavior in linked part management where the defined parameters in the management dialog are ignored when the parts are created. It's easy enough to resolve, and the file originated in 2005, so that may have made a contribution, but I am suspicious - casting a wary eye. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Aha, Darcy was right. (Why am I not surprised?) I copied in FAN files for the Bill Duncan fonts, and everything fell into place. What had confused me was the fact that there were normal Maestro expressions that were also displaced. They are now appearing correctly (along with the BD fonts). Hard to wrap my head around that. Anyway, that seems to be the solution. Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, You must remember to always copy your FAN files for any custom fonts you use to your Fin2008 FAN folder. Hold down option when dragging to make a copy instead of moving (so that your old FAN files will remain in place.) Also, don't overwrite any of the MM-supplied FAN files that come with Fin2008. Only copy the FAN files for third-party fonts. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Jul 2007, at 6:58 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? I guess there will be a period of this kind of thing, but this is not the only anomaly I've found in working today. There has been strange page layout behavior in linked part management where the defined parameters in the management dialog are ignored when the parts are created. It's easy enough to resolve, and the file originated in 2005, so that may have made a contribution, but I am suspicious - casting a wary eye. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Hi Chuck, You must remember to always copy your FAN files for any custom fonts you use to your Fin2008 FAN folder. Hold down option when dragging to make a copy instead of moving (so that your old FAN files will remain in place.) Also, don't overwrite any of the MM-supplied FAN files that come with Fin2008. Only copy the FAN files for third-party fonts. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Jul 2007, at 6:58 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? I guess there will be a period of this kind of thing, but this is not the only anomaly I've found in working today. There has been strange page layout behavior in linked part management where the defined parameters in the management dialog are ignored when the parts are created. It's easy enough to resolve, and the file originated in 2005, so that may have made a contribution, but I am suspicious - casting a wary eye. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
I'll report it, but the composer has requested that I not send the file...perhaps I can send a snippet. Jim From: Chuck Israels Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 21:57 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7 Thanks Jim - and Randolph. This is not consistent behavior, some files have been OK - which makes me that it's not so simple as switching FAN file folders. I'll report in tomorrow when I have heard from MM support. I hope they can duplicate the behavior. Jim, maybe it would be a good idea for you to report to them as well, and send them the file. Thanks again, Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck: I can verify your findings...I got a 2007 file from a composer today & opened it in 2008 with the same result. Jim W. From: Randolph Peters Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 21:41 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7 Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Thanks Jim - and Randolph. This is not consistent behavior, some files have been OK - which makes me that it's not so simple as switching FAN file folders. I'll report in tomorrow when I have heard from MM support. I hope they can duplicate the behavior. Jim, maybe it would be a good idea for you to report to them as well, and send them the file. Thanks again, Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck: I can verify your findings...I got a 2007 file from a composer today & opened it in 2008 with the same result. Jim W. From: Randolph Peters Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 21:41 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7 Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
I should also add this as a reminder to anyone upgrading to Finale 2008. Don't reuse the preference files from previous versions of Finale by renaming them and putting them in the new Finale 2008 folder. I used to do this as a matter of course to save time, but the conversion from 2006 to 2007 had some weird anomalies when you did that. I can only assume that it wouldn't be good practice to reuse them anymore. -Randolph ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Chuck: I can verify your findings...I got a 2007 file from a composer today & opened it in 2008 with the same result. Jim W. From: Randolph Peters Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 21:41 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7 Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? I guess there will be a period of this kind of thing, but this is not the only anomaly I've found in working today. There has been strange page layout behavior in linked part management where the defined parameters in the management dialog are ignored when the parts are created. It's easy enough to resolve, and the file originated in 2005, so that may have made a contribution, but I am suspicious - casting a wary eye. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
