Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Mac 2006b. I want to extend secondary beams over rests only in one passage of a piece. Anyway to do this? I haven't done exactly what you outline, but I've made use (for other purposes) of a technique that I think would meet your needs perfectly. I define a custom smartline to have the exact same width as a beam, and towards the end of the overall setting process, use this smart line in place of the beam, carefully aligning the beam so it exactly fits over any existing secondary beam. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
Michael Cook wrote: For the moment the only way I can think of doing this is to leave Extend Secondary Beams Over Rests unchecked and extend them manually with the beam extension tool where necessary. Doesn't the beam extension tool only work on the primary beam? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
No, you can double-click the handle and choose the value you want to extend.Le 05-12-28 à 06:23, Owain Sutton a écrit : Doesn't the beam extension tool only work on the primary beam? Eric DussaultFinale 2006b for Mac ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
Aha, you're right However, this still doesn't let me extend the 'stub' secondary beams underneath a continuing primary beam, only those at the beginning and end of the group. Éric Dussault wrote: No, you can double-click the handle and choose the value you want to extend. Le 05-12-28 à 06:23, Owain Sutton a écrit : Doesn't the beam extension tool only work on the primary beam? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
I've had the opposite problem at times. (I normally leave xtend over 2ndary checked.) Consider a beamed group 16th note, 16th rest, 8th note. With 2ndary xtend option checked, Finale gives the 16th rest a beam rather than creating a beam stub on the initial 16th note. It is most aggravating. There are some workarounds, but not general ones. What I'm say here is that if you'll share your specific example, we might be better able to offer a workaround. (The list consensus is correct. There is no way to apply beaming options locally, more's the pity.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
Robert Patterson wrote: I've had the opposite problem at times. (I normally leave xtend over 2ndary checked.) Consider a beamed group 16th note, 16th rest, 8th note. With 2ndary xtend option checked, Finale gives the 16th rest a beam rather than creating a beam stub on the initial 16th note. It is most aggravating. Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that one - you're right that it's aggravating! Does anyone ever actually want it to appear that way? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
On Dec 28, 2005, at 7:11 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: Aha, you're right However, this still doesn't let me extend the 'stub' secondary beams underneath a continuing primary beam, only those at the beginning and end of the group. Use layers. In one layer, you have the continuing primary beam; in another layer you break the primary beam with the slash key, overlap it with the beam in the other layer so the break doesn't show, then use the beam-extension tool to create a (graphically) inside secondary-beam stub that is really an outside stub projecting into the break in the second layer. Hope that's not too confusing. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
Andrew Stiller wrote: On Dec 28, 2005, at 7:11 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: Aha, you're right However, this still doesn't let me extend the 'stub' secondary beams underneath a continuing primary beam, only those at the beginning and end of the group. Use layers. In one layer, you have the continuing primary beam; in another layer you break the primary beam with the slash key, overlap it with the beam in the other layer so the break doesn't show, then use the beam-extension tool to create a (graphically) inside secondary-beam stub that is really an outside stub projecting into the break in the second layer. Hope that's not too confusing. Andrew Stiller Thanks - that makes sense, albeit as a rather colvoluted workaround. Now, how would you do it when feathered beams are involved?*dr* ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] extend secondary beams
Hi Mac 2006b. I want to extend secondary beams over rests only in one passage of a piece. Anyway to do this? Is there a plug-in I've overlooked? I have full versions of TGTools and Patterson Plug-Ins, by the way. Checking the box in the document options isn't really the solution, since that affects the whole piece, and I only want it in one passage. As much as i appreciate the wisdom of the list, I'm not really looking for opinions on whether this is correct. I doubt it is correct, especially from a consistency standpoint, but the client has asked for it and I hope there's a way to do it. I do think it makes the rhythms easier to read in this passage, and that's a good enough reason to break a rule. Anyhow, I'd appreciate the input. Thanks! Ryan __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Mac 2006b. I want to extend secondary beams over rests only in one passage of a piece. Anyway to do this? Is there a plug-in I've overlooked? I have full versions of TGTools and Patterson Plug-Ins, by the way. Checking the box in the document options isn't really the solution, since that affects the whole piece, and I only want it in one passage. As much as i appreciate the wisdom of the list, I'm not really looking for opinions on whether this is correct. I doubt it is correct, especially from a consistency standpoint, but the client has asked for it and I hope there's a way to do it. I do think it makes the rhythms easier to read in this passage, and that's a good enough reason to break a rule. Anyhow, I'd appreciate the input. Thanks! Ryan I've come across this before, and I believe there's no way to do it - the setting is a global one. And yes, while there's the issue of consistency, it's a shame the program forces you to follow a rule, even when you might have a good reason to ignore it. Owain ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Extend secondary beams
I don't see a way to extend secondary beams, either independently (eg extending a 16th note beam) or in conjunction with the outer beam. Thanks for any help, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
John Roberts wrote: I don't see a way to extend secondary beams, either independently (eg extending a 16th note beam) or in conjunction with the outer beam. Thanks for any help, John I believe there isn't a way of doing this. This is one of my constant annoyances, that Finale's way of breaking secondary beams over rests is horrid and unchangable. I've always resorted to carefully placing lines of the appropriate thickness, once everything else is in position. Not good. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
At 12:06 PM 03/08/2005, John Roberts wrote: I don't see a way to extend secondary beams, either independently (eg extending a 16th note beam) or in conjunction with the outer beam. Under Special Tools, select the Beam Extension Tool, and click the measure in question. Handles appear on beamed notes. If you double-click on a handle, you get a dialog allowing you to select which beams attached to the handle you want to affect. So for example, if you have eighth, eighth rest, sixteenth and you want to adjust the little sixteenth note flag, double-click the handle and make sure that only 16th is checked. Then move the handle, and the beam will adjust. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:06 PM 03/08/2005, John Roberts wrote: I don't see a way to extend secondary beams, either independently (eg extending a 16th note beam) or in conjunction with the outer beam. Under Special Tools, select the Beam Extension Tool, and click the measure in question. Handles appear on beamed notes. If you double-click on a handle, you get a dialog allowing you to select which beams attached to the handle you want to affect. So for example, if you have eighth, eighth rest, sixteenth and you want to adjust the little sixteenth note flag, double-click the handle and make sure that only 16th is checked. Then move the handle, and the beam will adjust. Aaron. I stand corrected! My moaning reply was evidently about something slightly separate... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
At 01:49 PM 03/08/2005, John Roberts wrote: But it doesn't seem to help extend the interior end of secondary beams. If I have, say, an eighth note beamed to a 16th triplet, with a rest on the first note of the triplet - I'd like to extend the interior beam of the triplet to cover the rest. Yes, I believe you're right -- though maybe someone else knows otherwise. I suppose I would do this with the custom line tool, which I think is what Owain also suggested. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:49 PM, John Roberts wrote: If I have, say, an eighth note beamed to a 16th triplet, with a rest on the first note of the triplet - I'd like to extend the interior beam of the triplet to cover the rest. I would do this with layers and overlapping beams. Create the whole figure in one layer, with normal beams, then create a unison of the triplet only in another layer, make sure the beams overlap perfectly, then extend both beams of the triplet. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
Thank you Andrew. That will do it. John On 3/8/05 4:56 PM, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:49 PM, John Roberts wrote: If I have, say, an eighth note beamed to a 16th triplet, with a rest on the first note of the triplet - I'd like to extend the interior beam of the triplet to cover the rest. I would do this with layers and overlapping beams. Create the whole figure in one layer, with normal beams, then create a unison of the triplet only in another layer, make sure the beams overlap perfectly, then extend both beams of the triplet. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
Nice workaround - I'll be using that myself. Thanks! John Roberts wrote: Thank you Andrew. That will do it. John On 3/8/05 4:56 PM, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:49 PM, John Roberts wrote: If I have, say, an eighth note beamed to a 16th triplet, with a rest on the first note of the triplet - I'd like to extend the interior beam of the triplet to cover the rest. I would do this with layers and overlapping beams. Create the whole figure in one layer, with normal beams, then create a unison of the triplet only in another layer, make sure the beams overlap perfectly, then extend both beams of the triplet. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
