Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
I'm glad to see someone from Makemusic on this forum. My early assessment of the Hide Empty Staves function is that it is unusable for more than one staff at a time. It is simply too destructive because it messes up systems that are already finished. I will be using TGTools Staff List Manager from now on. Thank goodness it still works well enough for this purpose! On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > Thanks for the reply Chris. I've been burned by this too many times to > trust it so I always go for the handle. Wish you could give us something > visual to let us know what's going on. > > Steve > > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of > Young, Chris [cyo...@makemusic.com] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:31 AM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > Hi Steve, > > I can understand that. The method of clicking directly in the first > measure of the system will highlight the staff for that system only, and > should help avoid the unintended selection of all systems in the document. > > Chris > > -Original Message- > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf > Of Fiskum, Steve > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:21 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > Hello Christopher "Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system > will highlight the entire staff for the document." IS the problem because > it is easy to miss the staff handle and do exactly what you point out when > all you want to do is move a specific page's staff. The odd thing about the > new system is that it seems to be easier to move a staff on ALL pages than > to move a staff on a single page. It really should be the other way around > because in most cases when engraving a file you are going to be performing > so many subtle tweaks to the staves on individual pages 98% of the time. > > Steve > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of > Young, Chris [cyo...@makemusic.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:37 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > Hi All, > > I just wanted to jump in and hopefully offer some help on this. The new > staff spacing system is done on a selection basis, and while it can be > difficult to select just the one handle for spacing an individual system, > please be aware that you can also simply select the region you'd like to > adjust, similar to selecting measures. So, if you'd like to space just the > first system, you can click directly in the first measure with the staff > tool, then drag the handle. If you'd like to expand that selection, hold > shift and click in the first measure of the next system. You'll only move > the selected systems this way. Clicking with the staff tool to the left of > the system will highlight the entire staff for the document. > > Hope that helps! > > Christopher Y > Notation Product Specialist > MakeMusic, Inc. > > > -Original Message- > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf > Of J D Thomas > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:39 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that > would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now > set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you can > do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any > selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I > find I use that a ton in AI. > > I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. > I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) > for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old > optimization feature. > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > > > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of > > concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be > > very frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a > > bit to allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not > > so easy to move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure > > you click on the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because > > you will easily move the systems o
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Thanks for the reply Chris. I've been burned by this too many times to trust it so I always go for the handle. Wish you could give us something visual to let us know what's going on. Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Young, Chris [cyo...@makemusic.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:31 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system Hi Steve, I can understand that. The method of clicking directly in the first measure of the system will highlight the staff for that system only, and should help avoid the unintended selection of all systems in the document. Chris -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Fiskum, Steve Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system Hello Christopher "Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system will highlight the entire staff for the document." IS the problem because it is easy to miss the staff handle and do exactly what you point out when all you want to do is move a specific page's staff. The odd thing about the new system is that it seems to be easier to move a staff on ALL pages than to move a staff on a single page. It really should be the other way around because in most cases when engraving a file you are going to be performing so many subtle tweaks to the staves on individual pages 98% of the time. Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Young, Chris [cyo...@makemusic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:37 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system Hi All, I just wanted to jump in and hopefully offer some help on this. The new staff spacing system is done on a selection basis, and while it can be difficult to select just the one handle for spacing an individual system, please be aware that you can also simply select the region you'd like to adjust, similar to selecting measures. So, if you'd like to space just the first system, you can click directly in the first measure with the staff tool, then drag the handle. If you'd like to expand that selection, hold shift and click in the first measure of the next system. You'll only move the selected systems this way. Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system will highlight the entire staff for the document. Hope that helps! Christopher Y Notation Product Specialist MakeMusic, Inc. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of J D Thomas Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:39 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you can do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I find I use that a ton in AI. I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old optimization feature. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of > concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be > very frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a > bit to allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not > so easy to move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure > you click on the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because > you will easily move the systems on all pages. This was the first > thing that was hard to get used to for me especially since I usually > work while viewing a single page at a time. It would be great if we > had a different highlight color so we would know which part of the staff > tool's staff moving function was ON. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" > wrote: > >> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally >> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it >> may because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one >> when hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. >> >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < >> jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: >> >&
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Hi Ryan, That's not something that I'd expect to see. If you do come across this again, I'd suggest contacting our Technical Support folks and we can take a look at it. Chris -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Ryan Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:43 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system I've often found out the hard way that highlighting the entire staff DOES NOT move the entire staff for the whole document. I've had many documents where the staff is only changed for a about 3 or 4 of the subsequent systems. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > Hello Christopher "Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the > system will highlight the entire staff for the document." IS the > problem because it is easy to miss the staff handle and do exactly > what you point out when all you want to do is move a specific page's > staff. The odd thing about the new system is that it seems to be > easier to move a staff on ALL pages than to move a staff on a single > page. It really should be the other way around because in most cases > when engraving a file you are going to be performing so many subtle tweaks to > the staves on individual pages 98% of the time. > > Steve > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of > Young, Chris [cyo...@makemusic.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:37 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > Hi All, > > I just wanted to jump in and hopefully offer some help on this. The > new staff spacing system is done on a selection basis, and while it > can be difficult to select just the one handle for spacing an > individual system, please be aware that you can also simply select the > region you'd like to adjust, similar to selecting measures. So, if > you'd like to space just the first system, you can click directly in > the first measure with the staff tool, then drag the handle. If you'd > like to expand that selection, hold shift and click in the first > measure of the next system. You'll only move the selected systems this > way. Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system will highlight > the entire staff for the document. > > Hope that helps! > > Christopher Y > Notation Product Specialist > MakeMusic, Inc. > > > -Original Message- > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On > Behalf Of J D Thomas > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:39 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo > that would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we > can now set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to > what you can do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the > Command key, any selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other > user-defined amount. I find I use that a ton in AI. > > I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. > I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 > measures) for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have > with the old optimization feature. > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > > > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount > > of concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can > > be very frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked > > just a bit to allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that > > it is not so easy to move ALL systems on all pages. You really need > > to make sure you click on the handle and do not accidentally click > > it twice because you will easily move the systems on all pages. This > > was the first thing that was hard to get used to for me especially > > since I usually work while viewing a single page at a time. It would > > be great if we had a different highlight color so we would know > > which part of the staff > tool's staff moving function was ON. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > > > On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" > > > > wrote: > > > >> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally > >> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it > >> may because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just &g
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Hi Steve, I can understand that. The method of clicking directly in the first measure of the system will highlight the staff for that system only, and should help avoid the unintended selection of all systems in the document. Chris -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Fiskum, Steve Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system Hello Christopher "Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system will highlight the entire staff for the document." IS the problem because it is easy to miss the staff handle and do exactly what you point out when all you want to do is move a specific page's staff. The odd thing about the new system is that it seems to be easier to move a staff on ALL pages than to move a staff on a single page. It really should be the other way around because in most cases when engraving a file you are going to be performing so many subtle tweaks to the staves on individual pages 98% of the time. Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Young, Chris [cyo...@makemusic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:37 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system Hi All, I just wanted to jump in and hopefully offer some help on this. The new staff spacing system is done on a selection basis, and while it can be difficult to select just the one handle for spacing an individual system, please be aware that you can also simply select the region you'd like to adjust, similar to selecting measures. So, if you'd like to space just the first system, you can click directly in the first measure with the staff tool, then drag the handle. If you'd like to expand that selection, hold shift and click in the first measure of the next system. You'll only move the selected systems this way. Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system will highlight the entire staff for the document. Hope that helps! Christopher Y Notation Product Specialist MakeMusic, Inc. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of J D Thomas Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:39 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you can do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I find I use that a ton in AI. I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old optimization feature. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of > concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be > very frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a > bit to allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not > so easy to move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure > you click on the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because > you will easily move the systems on all pages. This was the first > thing that was hard to get used to for me especially since I usually > work while viewing a single page at a time. It would be great if we > had a different highlight color so we would know which part of the staff > tool's staff moving function was ON. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" > wrote: > >> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally >> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it >> may because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one >> when hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. >> >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < >> jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: >> >>> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: >>>> On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >>>>> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves >>> vertically in >>>>> page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I >>>>> like >>> the >>>>> change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without >>> draggi
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
I've often found out the hard way that highlighting the entire staff DOES NOT move the entire staff for the whole document. I've had many documents where the staff is only changed for a about 3 or 4 of the subsequent systems. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > Hello Christopher "Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system > will highlight the entire staff for the document." IS the problem because > it is easy to miss the staff handle and do exactly what you point out when > all you want to do is move a specific page's staff. The odd thing about the > new system is that it seems to be easier to move a staff on ALL pages than > to move a staff on a single page. It really should be the other way around > because in most cases when engraving a file you are going to be performing > so many subtle tweaks to the staves on individual pages 98% of the time. > > Steve > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of > Young, Chris [cyo...@makemusic.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:37 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > Hi All, > > I just wanted to jump in and hopefully offer some help on this. The new > staff spacing system is done on a selection basis, and while it can be > difficult to select just the one handle for spacing an individual system, > please be aware that you can also simply select the region you'd like to > adjust, similar to selecting measures. So, if you'd like to space just the > first system, you can click directly in the first measure with the staff > tool, then drag the handle. If you'd like to expand that selection, hold > shift and click in the first measure of the next system. You'll only move > the selected systems this way. Clicking with the staff tool to the left of > the system will highlight the entire staff for the document. > > Hope that helps! > > Christopher Y > Notation Product Specialist > MakeMusic, Inc. > > > -Original Message- > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf > Of J D Thomas > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:39 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that > would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now > set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you can > do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any > selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I > find I use that a ton in AI. > > I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. > I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) > for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old > optimization feature. > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > > > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of > > concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be > > very frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a > > bit to allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not > > so easy to move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure > > you click on the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because > > you will easily move the systems on all pages. This was the first > > thing that was hard to get used to for me especially since I usually > > work while viewing a single page at a time. It would be great if we > > had a different highlight color so we would know which part of the staff > tool's staff moving function was ON. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > > > On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" > > wrote: > > > >> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally > >> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it > >> may because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one > >> when hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < > >> jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: > >>>> On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >>>>> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves > >>> vertica
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Hello Christopher "Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system will highlight the entire staff for the document." IS the problem because it is easy to miss the staff handle and do exactly what you point out when all you want to do is move a specific page's staff. The odd thing about the new system is that it seems to be easier to move a staff on ALL pages than to move a staff on a single page. It really should be the other way around because in most cases when engraving a file you are going to be performing so many subtle tweaks to the staves on individual pages 98% of the time. Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Young, Chris [cyo...@makemusic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:37 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system Hi All, I just wanted to jump in and hopefully offer some help on this. The new staff spacing system is done on a selection basis, and while it can be difficult to select just the one handle for spacing an individual system, please be aware that you can also simply select the region you'd like to adjust, similar to selecting measures. So, if you'd like to space just the first system, you can click directly in the first measure with the staff tool, then drag the handle. If you'd like to expand that selection, hold shift and click in the first measure of the next system. You'll only move the selected systems this way. Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system will highlight the entire staff for the document. Hope that helps! Christopher Y Notation Product Specialist MakeMusic, Inc. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of J D Thomas Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:39 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you can do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I find I use that a ton in AI. I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old optimization feature. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of > concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be > very frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a > bit to allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not > so easy to move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure > you click on the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because > you will easily move the systems on all pages. This was the first > thing that was hard to get used to for me especially since I usually > work while viewing a single page at a time. It would be great if we > had a different highlight color so we would know which part of the staff > tool's staff moving function was ON. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" > wrote: > >> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally >> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it >> may because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one >> when hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. >> >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < >> jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: >> >>> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: >>>> On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >>>>> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves >>> vertically in >>>>> page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I >>>>> like >>> the >>>>> change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without >>> dragging >>> any >>>>> others. >>>> >>>> It's Alt+drag in Windows. >>> >>> If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key >>> that is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while >>> dragging expressions for example). >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Jari Williamsson >>&
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Hi All, I just wanted to jump in and hopefully offer some help on this. The new staff spacing system is done on a selection basis, and while it can be difficult to select just the one handle for spacing an individual system, please be aware that you can also simply select the region you'd like to adjust, similar to selecting measures. So, if you'd like to space just the first system, you can click directly in the first measure with the staff tool, then drag the handle. If you'd like to expand that selection, hold shift and click in the first measure of the next system. You'll only move the selected systems this way. Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system will highlight the entire staff for the document. Hope that helps! Christopher Y Notation Product Specialist MakeMusic, Inc. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of J D Thomas Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:39 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you can do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I find I use that a ton in AI. I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old optimization feature. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of > concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be > very frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a > bit to allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not > so easy to move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure > you click on the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because > you will easily move the systems on all pages. This was the first > thing that was hard to get used to for me especially since I usually > work while viewing a single page at a time. It would be great if we > had a different highlight color so we would know which part of the staff > tool's staff moving function was ON. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" > wrote: > >> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally >> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it >> may because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one >> when hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. >> >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < >> jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: >> >>> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: >>>> On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >>>>> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves >>> vertically in >>>>> page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I >>>>> like >>> the >>>>> change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without >>> dragging >>> any >>>>> others. >>>> >>>> It's Alt+drag in Windows. >>> >>> If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key >>> that is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while >>> dragging expressions for example). >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Jari Williamsson >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
I actually have a QuicKey setup to do just that via TGTools (you have to have "option" held down to involve a plug-in without the dialog box) but you do have to go in and reconfigure it to close up or widen staves. You can also set something up via the redone "Respace Staves" dialog box under the staff menu but I've had some inconsistancies that I have not been able to track down and it's not as fast as TGTools. Steve On 3/22/12 12:38 PM, "J D Thomas" wrote: >A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo >that would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can >now set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you >can do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any >selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I >find I use that a ton in AI. > >I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. >I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 >measures) for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with >the old optimization feature. > >J D Thomas >ThomaStudios > >On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > >> Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of >> concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be very >> frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a bit to >> allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not so easy >>to >> move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure you click on >> the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because you will >>easily >> move the systems on all pages. This was the first thing that was hard to >> get used to for me especially since I usually work while viewing a >>single >> page at a time. It would be great if we had a different highlight color >>so >> we would know which part of the staff tool's staff moving function was >>ON. >> >> Cheers, >> Steve >> >> >> On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" >> wrote: >> >>> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally >>> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it may >>> because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one when >>> hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < >>> jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: >>> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: > On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves vertically in >> page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like the >> change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without dragging any >> others. > > It's Alt+drag in Windows. If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key that is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while dragging expressions for example). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you can do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I find I use that a ton in AI. I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old optimization feature. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of > concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be very > frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a bit to > allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not so easy to > move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure you click on > the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because you will easily > move the systems on all pages. This was the first thing that was hard to > get used to for me especially since I usually work while viewing a single > page at a time. It would be great if we had a different highlight color so > we would know which part of the staff tool's staff moving function was ON. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" > wrote: > >> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally >> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it may >> because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one when >> hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. >> >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < >> jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: >> >>> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves >>> vertically in > page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like >>> the > change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without >>> dragging >>> any > others. It's Alt+drag in Windows. >>> >>> If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key that >>> is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while dragging >>> expressions for example). >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Jari Williamsson >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
I emphatically agree, and it's something I've complained about repeatedly to MM. More voices on this couldn't hurt! It's *way* too easy to destroy all of your vertical spacing without realizing it, because, when you are viewing one page at a time, there is no visual feedback to differentiate between "I'm only moving this system" and "I'm moving this staff in all systems." Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 22 Mar 2012, at 1:07 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally > destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it may > because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one when > hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < > jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: > >> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: >>> On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves vertically in page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like the change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without dragging >> any others. >>> >>> It's Alt+drag in Windows. >> >> If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key that >> is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while dragging >> expressions for example). >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jari Williamsson >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be very frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a bit to allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not so easy to move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure you click on the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because you will easily move the systems on all pages. This was the first thing that was hard to get used to for me especially since I usually work while viewing a single page at a time. It would be great if we had a different highlight color so we would know which part of the staff tool's staff moving function was ON. Cheers, Steve On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" wrote: >Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally >destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it may >because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one when >hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. > >On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < >jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: > >> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: >> > On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >> >> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves >>vertically in >> >> page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like >>the >> >> change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without >>dragging >> any >> >> others. >> > >> > It's Alt+drag in Windows. >> >> If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key that >> is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while dragging >> expressions for example). >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jari Williamsson >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it may because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one when hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: > On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: > > On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves vertically in > >> page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like the > >> change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without dragging > any > >> others. > > > > It's Alt+drag in Windows. > > If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key that > is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while dragging > expressions for example). > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: > On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves vertically in >> page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like the >> change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without dragging any >> others. > > It's Alt+drag in Windows. If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key that is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while dragging expressions for example). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
On 3/22/2012 12:28 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Thanks, all. What is the equivalent of "re-optimize"? I am reworking an old > score, and after I delete material from staves they remain in the system. Select the staff you want to hide, right-click, and choose Hide Empty Staves (or pick this from the Staff menu). Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Thanks, all. What is the equivalent of "re-optimize"? I am reworking an old score, and after I delete material from staves they remain in the system. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Randolph Peters wrote: > Just hold the option key down while you drag (Mac). > > I think this started in Fin11. > > -Randolph Peters > > On 2012-03-22, at 10:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > > > Having spent most of the year till now in plugin land, I have not really > > had a chance to do much with Fin12 until now. (My last version was > Fin08.) > > One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves vertically in > > page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like the > > change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without dragging > any > > others. > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Just hold the option key down while you drag (Mac). I think this started in Fin11. -Randolph Peters On 2012-03-22, at 10:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Having spent most of the year till now in plugin land, I have not really > had a chance to do much with Fin12 until now. (My last version was Fin08.) > One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves vertically in > page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like the > change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without dragging any > others. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves vertically in > page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like the > change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without dragging any > others. It's Alt+drag in Windows. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Having spent most of the year till now in plugin land, I have not really had a chance to do much with Fin12 until now. (My last version was Fin08.) One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves vertically in page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like the change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without dragging any others. R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
