Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

I'll have another look at it, but my hopes are _very_ low, as I have 
actually spent hours with the uploader and the manual, without any success.

The problem is also that there are several versions of the uploader 
around, but none comes from Oxsemi direct.

I'll let you know what I find.
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I believe that the uploader will flash a blank chip  Grab the Manual 
(link is below) and check out chapter six:  Uploading a Binary Image.  
(I've left the link below in this message)  It talks about how to upload 
a binary image depending on the state of the chipthere is one state 
mentioned where the chip is blank and needs configuration info and the 
binary image, and another state mentioned where the configuration is 
there but there is no binary image...there are two other states 
mentioned as well but I don't think they apply to your situation.

  (look near the 
bottom - Oxsemi Uploader User Guide UG-0004
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

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Well, I already had the uploader you pointed me to. Unfortunately 
this will not do. It can update firmware, but it won't work if the 
firmware chip is blank, as it seems to be here. I am not really sure 
how this happened but the bridge is recognized by the uploaders, but 
they simply cannot flash it.
Hi Johannes,
I believe that the uploader will flash a blank chip  Grab the 
Manual (link is below) and check out chapter six:  Uploading a Binary 
Image.  (I've left the link below in this message)  It talks about 
how to upload a binary image depending on the state of the 
chipthere is one state mentioned where the chip is blank and 
needs configuration info and the binary image, and another state 
mentioned where the configuration is there but there is no binary 
image...there are two other states mentioned as well but I don't 
think they apply to your situation.

  (look near the 
bottom - Oxsemi Uploader User Guide UG-0004

Let me know what happens!
Best,
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

Well, I already had the uploader you pointed me to. Unfortunately this 
will not do. It can update firmware, but it won't work if the firmware 
chip is blank, as it seems to be here. I am not really sure how this 
happened but the bridge is recognized by the uploaders, but they simply 
cannot flash it.

The second link is only a manual, right? I have searched all over 
OXSemi's site for some firmware software but couldn't find any.

Johannes
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 Well, since you are up for a gamble...it's the first link on the list 
with the Manual right below.

This is a firmware uploader for the 922 chipset but it works for the 911 
chipset too (my hunch is that the latter is the original firmware for 
your case )


There is further documentation here:
  (look near the 
bottom - Oxsemi Uploader User Guide UG-0004

Let me know how it goes!!  I'm curious!
Best,
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[laloba2]

Yes, I forgot about these. I actually own a copy of HDSpeedTools for 
MacOS 9. Thing is, I am a little anoyed about their update policy. 
When I bought the product it said "Free Updates for Live" just as it 
does now. Only HDSpeedTools for OS X are not actually the same 
product. So I never actually got any major product updates for free. 
Which sort of defeats the point of the free update policy.
It seems that you are not alone with being annoyed.  Apparently, 
there is a difference between "updates" and "upgrades" from what I've 
read (updates are free, upgrades are not)  Some people are 
understandably upset because they feel mislead.  But I can't imagine 
a company being able to survive without repeat business in the form 
of paid upgrades.

I haven't used it ... one to keep an eye on, looks interesting. I'd 
like  to see a few reviews of this thing before I parted with any 
cash - $90!
you can buy an operating system for that :)
Not many reviews that I can find yet aside form complaints about the 
business modelbut I think some drive manufacturers/distributors 
are shipping the utility with their external drives.  This may be the 
difference between Drive 10 and speed tools.  It looks to me like 
Speedtools may have nice utilities for external drives (specifically 
Oxford drives.)


My initial hunch is that this is a good product but they will have to 
overcome the bitter taste they have left in some of their customer's 
mouths.

I guess time will tell.  Thanks for your feedback!
Best,
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[laloba2]

On a related subject:
If anyone knows how to re-flash an Oxford Firewire enclosure, I'd 
like to know. I seem to have destroyed one by accident (by flashing 
the wrong firmware I guess), and there doesn't seem to be a way to 
get it back. Annoying.

I am open for any experiment, as I have since bought a (non-Oxford) 
replacement, and this casing is now completely useless (not 
recognized).

 Well, since you are up for a gamble...it's the first link on the 
list with the Manual right below.

This is a firmware uploader for the 922 chipset but it works for the 
911 chipset too (my hunch is that the latter is the original firmware 
for your case )


There is further documentation here:
  (look near the 
bottom - Oxsemi Uploader User Guide UG-0004

Let me know how it goes!!  I'm curious!
Best,
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Simon Troup]

> Hi Karen
> 
> I haven't used it ... one to keep an eye on, looks interesting. I'd like 
> to see a few reviews of this thing before I parted with any cash - $90! 
> you can buy an operating system for that :)
> 
> I needed to partition a disk the other day and spent about Â20 on an 
> application called iPartition by a company named Coriolis Systems 
> Limited. Nope, I'd never heard of them either, but it was a slick 
> program and partitioned two disks (WITH the data still on, make sure you 
> make backups though!) with no problems.
> 
> Maybe with Norton out the way (and their MISERABLE tech support policies 
> - another story) a wider variety of disk utils will come to the fore.
> 
> Simon Troup
> 
> > You have inspired me to do some homework for the day when speed disk 
> > goes away :-)  I found this:
> > 
> > 
> 

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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

On a related subject:
If anyone knows how to re-flash an Oxford Firewire enclosure, I'd like 
to know. I seem to have destroyed one by accident (by flashing the wrong 
firmware I guess), and there doesn't seem to be a way to get it back. 
Annoying.

I am open for any experiment, as I have since bought a (non-Oxford) 
replacement, and this casing is now completely useless (not recognized).

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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

Yes, I forgot about these. I actually own a copy of HDSpeedTools for 
MacOS 9. Thing is, I am a little anoyed about their update policy. When 
I bought the product it said "Free Updates for Live" just as it does 
now. Only HDSpeedTools for OS X are not actually the same product. So I 
never actually got any major product updates for free. Which sort of 
defeats the point of the free update policy.

Not sure what to think of them otherwise. They cost more than Drive10, 
but I am not sure whether they really do any more.

Johannes
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Hi Johannas and Simon,
You have inspired me to do some homework for the day when speed disk 
goes away :-)  I found this:


See what you think...expecially the Disk Defrag utility.  I haven't used 
this nor do I know anyone who has, but it looks interesting.

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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[laloba2]

Hi Johannas and Simon,
You have inspired me to do some homework for the day when speed disk 
goes away :-)  I found this:


See what you think...expecially the Disk Defrag utility.  I haven't 
used this nor do I know anyone who has, but it looks interesting.

Best,
Karen

Ah. I guess I will after all be looking at techtool, or Drive10 
(which seems to be basically TechTool, but without the Hardware 
tests, which I am not sure I will need anyway).

Thanks for telling me this in time. I guess this is another reason 
why people keep several of these utilities. As I said, so far 
Apple's Disk Utility has cured all my problems in OS X, but one 
never knows (I had numerous problems in the old OS 9 days, and 
Norton did save my life a few times then). It seems to me that OS X 
is a lot safer (probably mostly because it doesn't let you install 
things all that easily, and keeps Administrators and Users apart), 
but then, things do go wrong.

Thanks for all the input!
Johannes
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Eden - Lawrence D.]

My first choice for defragging a drive is Norton Speed Disk.  I own
DiskWarrior and TechTool Pro, but for defragging...you can't beat Speed
Disk.




On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

> Thing is, I don't actually have a problem. The reason I need a disk
> utility is that I want a tool to defragment, especially my Audio drive.
> This seems to be a good time to get a utility which will also help me
> should I get a problem in the future.
>
> It seems that most people recommend DiskWarrior. If I don't hear
> anything negative about it I will probably buy it.
>
> Johannes
>
> Simon Troup wrote:
> >>I am in fo a new Disk Maintenance software. As far as I can see there
> >>are basically two choices:
> >
> >
> > There's also Drive 10
> >
> > http://www.micromat.com/drive_10/drive_10_introduction.html
> >
> > It's best to own as many Disk Utils as you can afford. In my experience there is 
> > no "best" utility. I've encountered problems that would make Norton Utils crash, 
> > but DiskWarrior would fix, and problems that neither Norton nor DiskWarrior could 
> > address, but Drive 10 fixed with ease. It's a lottery.
> >
> > I bought them both, and Drive 10 too. That may sound like an extravagance, but I 
> > collected them one at a time - as each prior purchase failed to repair the next 
> > problem!
> >
> > Simon Troup
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

Ah. I guess I will after all be looking at techtool, or Drive10 (which 
seems to be basically TechTool, but without the Hardware tests, which I 
am not sure I will need anyway).

Thanks for telling me this in time. I guess this is another reason why 
people keep several of these utilities. As I said, so far Apple's Disk 
Utility has cured all my problems in OS X, but one never knows (I had 
numerous problems in the old OS 9 days, and Norton did save my life a 
few times then). It seems to me that OS X is a lot safer (probably 
mostly because it doesn't let you install things all that easily, and 
keeps Administrators and Users apart), but then, things do go wrong.

Thanks for all the input!
Johannes
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[laloba2]

I wouldn't touch it any more either, it's most defineately end of line now ...
http://www.macnn.com/news/24213

Yes, this will all be moot as soon as Tiger is here anyway...:-( No 
more Norton.

... the last version had a terrible reputation. It did some damage 
to my system, which was why I had to go out and get Drive 10.

Does DiskWarrior actually defragment?
I was under the impression it was a specialist directory rebuilding 
and optimising tool
, not a defragger - unless they've built that in since last time I used it.


No disk warrior doesn't defrag.  (But it solves many of the problems 
that I have come across :-) ) That's actually why I include Norton 
(specifically speed disk)  in my list.   Again, each program is 
useful for different reasons.  (BTW I realized that I took for 
granted that one would first run Apple Disk Utility when trying to 
solve a problem...then proceed to the others...oops!)  I believe 
Norton got a bad rep because version 8.0 came out before Panther and 
then caused problems when used with Panther.  Then, there were still 
glitches in version 8.01 that required a terminal command to 
straighten it out.  The last version is 8.02 which works in Panther 
and it useful in defragging when/if necessary.  I think it works 
rather well. The 8.02 disk is available from Norton, or if you have 
8.0 you can install it on a firewire drive and then update to 8.02. 
It should be run from the CD or from a firewire drive...not actually 
installed on your main drive.


There are however, as I'm sure you're aware, many people who are 
routinely (and needlessly) defragmenting their OSX drives.

I would suggest that unless people fit into one of the special 
categories (as you clearly do, granted!) they are very unlikely to 
suffer from the kind of problems they had with OS9 and earlier - in 
fact, routine defragmentation is asking for trouble.
I completely agree with you Simon.  I don't think it is wise or 
necessary to routinely defrag. In most cases it isn't necessary.

But as you and Johannas pointed out  there are can be problems with 
larger files that are fragmented in several places (as can happen in 
audio/video) (I think I read somewhere larger than 20MB and 
fragmented in more than 7 places)  The apple OS defrag doesn't 
usually fix this.  IMHO there is a benefit to defragmenting in this 
case.

And I also think you are right Johannes, it doesn't necessarily have 
to do with how full the drive is.
Simon Troup
 Well, you are certainly the first person I know who even considers
 Norton any more. I can't speak from my own experience (I last used
 Norton in the old OS 9 days) but I certainly know a lot of people for
 whom Norton has actually created more problems than it ever solved,
 and they all warn from letting it loose on any of your volumes. I
 > certainly wouldn't.

I try not to throw the baby out with that bath waterNorton still 
has it's uses IMHO.  :-)

Have a good weekend!
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Simon Troup]

I wouldn't touch it any more either, it's most defineately end of line now ...

http://www.macnn.com/news/24213

... the last version had a terrible reputation. It did some damage to my system, which 
was why I had to go out and get Drive 10.

Does DiskWarrior actually defragment? 

I was under the impression it was a specialist directory rebuilding and optimising 
tool, not a defragger - unless they've built that in since last time I used it.

Simon Troup

> Well, you are certainly the first person I know who even considers
> Norton any more. I can't speak from my own experience (I last used
> Norton in the old OS 9 days) but I certainly know a lot of people for
> whom Norton has actually created more problems than it ever solved,
> and they all warn from letting it loose on any of your volumes. I
> certainly wouldn't.


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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

Well, actually they have claimed it in the past. And I don't agree that 
routine defragging is a bad thing as long as it is done properly. Plus, 
I don't think I am all that special, most people these days have rather 
large files (video, audio etc) on their HDs. Thing is that the System's 
automatic defragmentation can seriously disrupt any timing dependent 
processing (like audio recording). I know, because it happened to me.

It's a myth that OS X can do proper defragging all by itself. It does 
defrag to a certain extent, but never all the way, nor does it do it 
particularly well. It couldn't, at least not in the background.

Even from the article one gets the impression that defragging is only 
necessary when the HD is almost full, which is simply not true.

However, it is true, with a properly maintained setup, which uses a 
system partition separate from partitions used for large video and audio 
files, it is probably unnecessary to defragment the system partition 
very often. It won't hurt if done properly.

There recently was a very long discussion in the osxaudio forums on this 
subject with some very competent people discussing the subject at length.

Johannes
Simon Troup wrote:
It is nonsense to believe Apple one minute that OS X eliminates all 
needs for defragmentation. It is true to a certain extend that MacOS X 
has better built-in file maintenance than OS 9, and it does some 
rudimentary defragmentation. For many people this will be just fine.

It's not nonsense - they haven't claimed any such thing. I think it's summed up very 
well in the knowledgebase article, they don't make out that they have cured 
defragmentation completely, and mention problems that can occur when you are writing 
really large files or are approaching disk capacity.
There are however, as I'm sure you're aware, many people who are routinely (and 
needlessly) defragmenting their OSX drives.
I would suggest that unless people fit into one of the special categories (as you 
clearly do, granted!) they are very unlikely to suffer from the kind of problems they 
had with OS9 and earlier - in fact, routine defragmentation is asking for trouble.
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

Well, you are certainly the first person I know who even considers 
Norton any more. I can't speak from my own experience (I last used 
Norton in the old OS 9 days) but I certainly know a lot of people for 
whom Norton has actually created more problems than it ever solved, and 
they all warn from letting it loose on any of your volumes. I certainly 
wouldn't.

Johannes
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I agree.  I think that Disk Warrior is the best one if you are going to 
only choose one.  But they all do different things as Simon mentioned.  
So if you ever get into a spot where Disk Warrior isn't fixing the 
problem you can try another at that time.  I usually try in this order 
Disk Warrior, then Techtool Pro then Norton.  I'm not familiar with 
Drive 10 personally but I know people that really like it and know it is 
a good program.

-K
It seems that most people recommend DiskWarrior. If I don't hear 
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[laloba2]

Hi Johannes,
I agree.  I think that Disk Warrior is the best one if you are going 
to only choose one.  But they all do different things as Simon 
mentioned.  So if you ever get into a spot where Disk Warrior isn't 
fixing the problem you can try another at that time.  I usually try 
in this order Disk Warrior, then Techtool Pro then Norton.  I'm not 
familiar with Drive 10 personally but I know people that really like 
it and know it is a good program.

-K
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Simon Troup]

> It is nonsense to believe Apple one minute that OS X eliminates all 
> needs for defragmentation. It is true to a certain extend that MacOS X 
> has better built-in file maintenance than OS 9, and it does some 
> rudimentary defragmentation. For many people this will be just fine.

It's not nonsense - they haven't claimed any such thing. I think it's summed up very 
well in the knowledgebase article, they don't make out that they have cured 
defragmentation completely, and mention problems that can occur when you are writing 
really large files or are approaching disk capacity.

There are however, as I'm sure you're aware, many people who are routinely (and 
needlessly) defragmenting their OSX drives.

I would suggest that unless people fit into one of the special categories (as you 
clearly do, granted!) they are very unlikely to suffer from the kind of problems they 
had with OS9 and earlier - in fact, routine defragmentation is asking for trouble.

Simon Troup

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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

Simon Troup wrote:
Things have changed *a lot* with OSX - are you sure you need to defragment?
Please see the following article ...
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25668
It is nonsense to believe Apple one minute that OS X eliminates all 
needs for defragmentation. It is true to a certain extend that MacOS X 
has better built-in file maintenance than OS 9, and it does some 
rudimentary defragmentation. For many people this will be just fine. 
However, for Audio partitions Apple's automatic defragging can actually 
be counter-productive, as I have recently experienced. There are very 
good reasons to defrag in OS X, especially with Audio partitions, 
especially if you actually record to them. If you want to read some 
discussions of why this is the forums at www.osxaudio.com are a good place.

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[Simon Troup]

Things have changed *a lot* with OSX - are you sure you need to defragment?

Please see the following article ...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25668

Regards

SImon Troup

> Also, I have been told, and at least partly believe this, that when
> you actually use a defragging utility you can avoid certain
> fragmentation more effectively than just by copying. Simply because
> these utilities can make a decision on what to put where, rather than
> just doing it file by file.

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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

Sure, only sometimes that is not an option. And since it seems it is a 
good idea to actually own a DiskRepair Utility I am quite happy to buy one.

Also, I have been told, and at least partly believe this, that when you 
actually use a defragging utility you can avoid certain fragmentation 
more effectively than just by copying. Simply because these utilities 
can make a decision on what to put where, rather than just doing it file 
by file.

Johannes
Javier Ruiz wrote:
Johannes,
Is a well know fact that the best way to defragment a disk is to copy all
contents to another one (something that you should have done anyway), erase
the disk  and copy back the information.
And the price is fair ;)
Javier Ruiz.

Thing is, I don't actually have a problem. The reason I need a disk
utility is that I want a tool to defragment, especially my Audio drive.
This seems to be a good time to get a utility which will also help me
should I get a problem in the future.
It seems that most people recommend DiskWarrior. If I don't hear
anything negative about it I will probably buy it.
Johannes
Simon Troup wrote:
I am in fo a new Disk Maintenance software. As far as I can see there
are basically two choices:

There's also Drive 10
http://www.micromat.com/drive_10/drive_10_introduction.html
It's best to own as many Disk Utils as you can afford. In my experience there
is no "best" utility. I've encountered problems that would make Norton Utils
crash, but DiskWarrior would fix, and problems that neither Norton nor
DiskWarrior could address, but Drive 10 fixed with ease. It's a lottery.
I bought them both, and Drive 10 too. That may sound like an extravagance,
but I collected them one at a time - as each prior purchase failed to repair
the next problem!
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Javier Ruiz]

Johannes,
Is a well know fact that the best way to defragment a disk is to copy all
contents to another one (something that you should have done anyway), erase
the disk  and copy back the information.

And the price is fair ;)

Javier Ruiz.


> Thing is, I don't actually have a problem. The reason I need a disk
> utility is that I want a tool to defragment, especially my Audio drive.
> This seems to be a good time to get a utility which will also help me
> should I get a problem in the future.
> 
> It seems that most people recommend DiskWarrior. If I don't hear
> anything negative about it I will probably buy it.
> 
> Johannes
> 
> Simon Troup wrote:
>>> I am in fo a new Disk Maintenance software. As far as I can see there
>>> are basically two choices:
>> 
>> 
>> There's also Drive 10
>> 
>> http://www.micromat.com/drive_10/drive_10_introduction.html
>> 
>> It's best to own as many Disk Utils as you can afford. In my experience there
>> is no "best" utility. I've encountered problems that would make Norton Utils
>> crash, but DiskWarrior would fix, and problems that neither Norton nor
>> DiskWarrior could address, but Drive 10 fixed with ease. It's a lottery.
>> 
>> I bought them both, and Drive 10 too. That may sound like an extravagance,
>> but I collected them one at a time - as each prior purchase failed to repair
>> the next problem!
>> 
>> Simon Troup
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

Thing is, I don't actually have a problem. The reason I need a disk 
utility is that I want a tool to defragment, especially my Audio drive. 
This seems to be a good time to get a utility which will also help me 
should I get a problem in the future.

It seems that most people recommend DiskWarrior. If I don't hear 
anything negative about it I will probably buy it.

Johannes
Simon Troup wrote:
I am in fo a new Disk Maintenance software. As far as I can see there 
are basically two choices:

There's also Drive 10
http://www.micromat.com/drive_10/drive_10_introduction.html
It's best to own as many Disk Utils as you can afford. In my experience there is no 
"best" utility. I've encountered problems that would make Norton Utils crash, but 
DiskWarrior would fix, and problems that neither Norton nor DiskWarrior could address, but Drive 
10 fixed with ease. It's a lottery.
I bought them both, and Drive 10 too. That may sound like an extravagance, but I 
collected them one at a time - as each prior purchase failed to repair the next 
problem!
Simon Troup
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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Simon Troup]

> I am in fo a new Disk Maintenance software. As far as I can see there 
> are basically two choices:

There's also Drive 10

http://www.micromat.com/drive_10/drive_10_introduction.html

It's best to own as many Disk Utils as you can afford. In my experience there is no 
"best" utility. I've encountered problems that would make Norton Utils crash, but 
DiskWarrior would fix, and problems that neither Norton nor DiskWarrior could address, 
but Drive 10 fixed with ease. It's a lottery.

I bought them both, and Drive 10 too. That may sound like an extravagance, but I 
collected them one at a time - as each prior purchase failed to repair the next 
problem!

Simon Troup

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Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Carlberg Jones]

At 11:39 AM +0200 10/22/04, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
>DiskWarrior
>
>Techtool Pro
>
>Which one would you recommend?


My users group members generally suggest Disk Warrior, and also suggest
using Apple's tools first, again, generally. http://planetmug.org


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Guanajuato, Gto.
MEXICO


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[Finale] OT: Mac Disk Maintenance

[Johannes Gebauer]

Sorry, this is a little off-topic, but I know there are some people here 
with more knowledge on the subject than myself:

I am in fo a new Disk Maintenance software. As far as I can see there 
are basically two choices:

DiskWarrior
Techtool Pro
Which one would you recommend?
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