Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
Because Dean is capable of doing that without asking on the list, and Dean asked for opinions, which Robert gave. Don't you ever ask people who you know have used some product before you have, whether they are happy with it, before deciding whether or not you want to investigate further? I certainly do. And if someone whose opinions and judgements I have come to respect and whom I know to be open-minded and knowledgeable gives me an opinion (pro or con), I certainly give it consideration. Just because Robert suggests that it might not be worthwhile doesn't mean Dean won't eventually buy the upgrade. But in the meantime, expert opinions should be allowed to be voiced and should be understood by all as in no preventing anybody from downloading the demo. Your question certainly seems as if you think Robert has the power to prevent people from downloading the demo. I don't think he has a secret kill switch which could prevent anyone from doing that. :-) David Allen Fisher wrote: Why don't you let Dean download the demo and decide for himself? On Nov 13, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I would not do it. I'm relatively unhappy with the changes to copy/paste in 08 and quite unhappy with the changes to expressions in 09. There are a few compensating bug fixes, so depending on what kind of music you write it might be worth it. (I understand chords work better as to lyric hyphens.) If I weren't using Mac OS Leopard, I'd still be on 07. I am tempted anyway to revert and live with the crash-on-exit, but I've traveled pretty far down the 08 road now. RP Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Listers, I am presently running MacFin 07, and it is working fine. If I upgrade to 2009, will it be worth it ... I've read about a ton of problems some of you folks have dealt with in the latest version ... have enough of those been worked out to buy into it? Thanks, Dean Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
Well don't expect much when it comes to engraver slur improvements. They only went after the visual aspect, not REALLY fixing the slurs. So if the slur is loopy it will really show a loopy slur instead of never knowing until you print it out or view it from the right view percentage. Lame. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Johannes Gebauer Sent: Fri 11/14/2008 1:46 AM I still don't know whether I will benefit from at least some of the improvements... I also hear that engraver slurs have improved, and this is one of the areas where I constantly curse. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
On 14.11.2008 Fiskum, Steve wrote: Well don't expect much when it comes to engraver slur improvements. They only went after the visual aspect, not REALLY fixing the slurs. So if the slur is loopy it will really show a loopy slur instead of never knowing until you print it out or view it from the right view percentage. Lame. Well, even that is an improvement. At the moment I have to prepare PDFs which I check carefully before I print final versions. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
In the 2009a update they changed the expression behaviour slightly so that expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. This, in addition to the knowledge that you can still have an expression stick to the beat originally assigned by holding down the Opt key when you move it, greatly improves the usability of the expressions. I am cautiously approving (for now!) of the new expressions. I just wish I could figure out when staff lists are available and when they aren't. Haven't got that yet. Christopher - Original Message - From: Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:48 Subject: Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy To: finale@shsu.edu On 14.11.2008 Allen Fisher wrote: Why don't you let Dean download the demo and decide for himself? Well, actually, I am not sure whether this is the correct way to decide. A lot of the under-the-hood changes in 09 may very well only show their effects deep down into projects, which is not possible with a demo version which cannot save. I actually have the same question as Dean. I still don't know whether I will benefit from at least some of the improvements. I may well. Especially the new house style approach. I also hear that engraver slurs have improved, and this is one of the areas where I constantly curse. Then, I really dislike their reinvention of expressions - not so much because of the new staff-style usage but because of the no longer note-bound approach. I have yet to understand this, and understand why they did it. So far it completely escapes me. On the other hand I will eventually have to upgrade as my ibook is nearing its eol. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
The biggest problem with 09 expressions is that because they are not note-attached, they do not stay with the notes when you (metrically) move them. This comes into play most forcefully if you insert a rest before a note, or if you answer with one of the move options coming out of speedy with extra notes in the bar. I consider this to be an unforgivable feature confiscation, far more egregious than anything to do with staff lists. No amount of new expression-related eye candy compensates for it. I was prepared to adopt 09 (after the maintenance release) until I realized this limitation existed. Now, MM will have to offer a *major* feature incentive (on the order of linked parts) to get me to go past 08. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the 2009a update they changed the expression behaviour slightly so that expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
Hey, Folks... I appreciate all the responses posted to my query. Actually, I'm a little less concerned with what it (the newest upgrade) CAN do on the positive side, as opposed to the degree to which it will present me with hassles compared to my present version. I would hate to buy it and be worse off than I am with 2007, which, as I mentioned, is pretty much behaving itself within the parameters of my usage needs (I do, however, since I do a lot of Concert Band scoring, miss hearing sax sounds in playback). I'm beginning to form some opinions, for which I'm grateful. Thanks again, Dean On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: The biggest problem with 09 expressions is that because they are not note-attached, they do not stay with the notes when you (metrically) move them. This comes into play most forcefully if you insert a rest before a note, or if you answer with one of the move options coming out of speedy with extra notes in the bar. I consider this to be an unforgivable feature confiscation, far more egregious than anything to do with staff lists. No amount of new expression-related eye candy compensates for it. I was prepared to adopt 09 (after the maintenance release) until I realized this limitation existed. Now, MM will have to offer a *major* feature incentive (on the order of linked parts) to get me to go past 08. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the 2009a update they changed the expression behaviour slightly so that expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
Another thing to think about... I haven't tested how TGTools' Smart Distribution of grouped parts or Smart Explosion of multi-part staves works on 09 but in 08 it is a disaster. It chokes 95% of the time. It forces me to go section by section of an entire score (usually in 10 measure increments) to get a nearly clean extraction. If you use TGTools a lot you might find some major components broken with no response to emails from Tobias as to fixing this big problem. Steve 11/14/08 10:09 AM, Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Folks... I appreciate all the responses posted to my query. Actually, I'm a little less concerned with what it (the newest upgrade) CAN do on the positive side, as opposed to the degree to which it will present me with hassles compared to my present version. I would hate to buy it and be worse off than I am with 2007, which, as I mentioned, is pretty much behaving itself within the parameters of my usage needs (I do, however, since I do a lot of Concert Band scoring, miss hearing sax sounds in playback). I'm beginning to form some opinions, for which I'm grateful. Thanks again, Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
Hi Steve, I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off using Linked Parts for this function in Finale 2008 anyway. Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea if we are ever going to get a TGTools update for Fin2009? The lack of align-move support keeps me in Fin2008 (I know the TGTools Lite align-move works, but it's missing important features from the full version). It's actually becoming a bit alarming that there's been no recent update. I hope Tobias has not suspended development of TGTools. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Nov 2008, at 11:20 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Another thing to think about... I haven't tested how TGTools' Smart Distribution of grouped parts or Smart Explosion of multi-part staves works on 09 but in 08 it is a disaster. It chokes 95% of the time. It forces me to go section by section of an entire score (usually in 10 measure increments) to get a nearly clean extraction. If you use TGTools a lot you might find some major components broken with no response to emails from Tobias as to fixing this big problem. Steve 11/14/08 10:09 AM, Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Folks... I appreciate all the responses posted to my query. Actually, I'm a little less concerned with what it (the newest upgrade) CAN do on the positive side, as opposed to the degree to which it will present me with hassles compared to my present version. I would hate to buy it and be worse off than I am with 2007, which, as I mentioned, is pretty much behaving itself within the parameters of my usage needs (I do, however, since I do a lot of Concert Band scoring, miss hearing sax sounds in playback). I'm beginning to form some opinions, for which I'm grateful. Thanks again, Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
I don't understand how Linked Parts is going to help with this functionality. It's just not smart enough...at least not as smart as TGTools...was... Steve 11/14/08 10:27 AM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off using Linked Parts for this function in Finale 2008 anyway. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
The big advantage is that it is, well, linked. So it updates live, all the time, instead of being dependent on explosion. Also, it *works*, whereas the TGTools function is broken. It's not quite as smart as TGTools used to be but that point is rather moot since the TGTools function is not usable in recent versions. Linked voiced parts require a little extra effort (to identify solo passages in the part and applying the blank notation w/rests staff style to them, etc.), but that is almost certainly more efficient than applying TGTools Smart Explode 10 measures at a time. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Nov 2008, at 11:34 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: I don't understand how Linked Parts is going to help with this functionality. It's just not smart enough...at least not as smart as TGTools...was... Steve 11/14/08 10:27 AM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off using Linked Parts for this function in Finale 2008 anyway. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. but robert sez they are no longer note-attached. how does this work if they are not note-attached? This, in addition to the knowledge that you can still have an expression stick to the beat originally assigned by holding down the Opt key when you move it, greatly improves the usability of the expressions. if you mean moving the expression is now in absolute values instead of metric placement, it sounds like they have finally implemented something which should have been done long ago (and was in fact in sibelius). but that it is no longer possible to choose between note- and measure-attached is a disaster and would very likely keep me from upgrading. what is finale's reasoning for removing this functionality? i am, optimistic as ever regarding finale developments, assuming they didn't just do it to make some change that could justify another upgrade. there is, i am sure, a very good and justifiable reason for this change, yes? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
I got an email from Mr. Tobias and he said in the next few weeks which was about a week ago or so. So.hopefully before December? On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off using Linked Parts for this function in Finale 2008 anyway. Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea if we are ever going to get a TGTools update for Fin2009? The lack of align-move support keeps me in Fin2008 (I know the TGTools Lite align-move works, but it's missing important features from the full version). It's actually becoming a bit alarming that there's been no recent update. I hope Tobias has not suspended development of TGTools. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Nov 2008, at 11:20 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Another thing to think about... I haven't tested how TGTools' Smart Distribution of grouped parts or Smart Explosion of multi-part staves works on 09 but in 08 it is a disaster. It chokes 95% of the time. It forces me to go section by section of an entire score (usually in 10 measure increments) to get a nearly clean extraction. If you use TGTools a lot you might find some major components broken with no response to emails from Tobias as to fixing this big problem. Steve 11/14/08 10:09 AM, Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Folks... I appreciate all the responses posted to my query. Actually, I'm a little less concerned with what it (the newest upgrade) CAN do on the positive side, as opposed to the degree to which it will present me with hassles compared to my present version. I would hate to buy it and be worse off than I am with 2007, which, as I mentioned, is pretty much behaving itself within the parameters of my usage needs (I do, however, since I do a lot of Concert Band scoring, miss hearing sax sounds in playback). I'm beginning to form some opinions, for which I'm grateful. Thanks again, Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
They are beat-attached but they also check to see if there are notes on that beat. If there are, they avoid them. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Nov 2008, at 11:32 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. but robert sez they are no longer note-attached. how does this work if they are not note-attached? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
On 14 Nov 2008 at 6:08, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Well don't expect much when it comes to engraver slur improvements. They only went after the visual aspect, not REALLY fixing the slurs. So if the slur is loopy it will really show a loopy slur instead of never knowing until you print it out or view it from the right view percentage. Lame. But was it not the case that the crucial problem with the previous bug was that what you saw onscreen was not what printed? If the onscreen display now represents what will print (as much as possible, given the problems of showing on a screen what prints), and without all the terrible jumping around and shape changing that happened when you switched zoom factors, isn't that a VAST improvement? At least with this fixed you can tweak onscreen what Finale doesn't get right automatically and know that you tweaked the right slurs, whereas with the old bug, you got different results depending on whether you were viewing at 100% or 150% or whatever. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
On 14 Nov 2008 at 17:32, shirling neueweise wrote: if you mean moving the expression is now in absolute values instead of metric placement, it sounds like they have finally implemented something which should have been done long ago (and was in fact in sibelius). but that it is no longer possible to choose between note- and measure-attached is a disaster and would very likely keep me from upgrading. I've been waiting since about Finale 06 or 07 to decide on upgrading (I'm still using 03, and know there are ton of really great features that would make my life *much* easier), but every time there's a new release there seems to be some show-stopper that makes that version really unusable, so I put it off another year. Given that I'm on WinFin 03, do think that on balance I'd be better off with 09, even with all the problems people are having from 07 to 08 to 09? Do you think the accumulation of big feature improvements (automatic expression placement and linked parts are the two that I am most greedy to use) outweigh the problems? I recognize that so many things have changed that in some respects, it might be almost like starting a new program (the copying/select behavior and loss of note-attached expressions are two really huge changes that would require a large change on my part in how I use Finale). That said, is it time for someone like *me* to upgrade? Or should I wait for the next one? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] To buy or not to buy
Listers, I am presently running MacFin 07, and it is working fine. If I upgrade to 2009, will it be worth it ... I've read about a ton of problems some of you folks have dealt with in the latest version ... have enough of those been worked out to buy into it? Thanks, Dean Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
I would not do it. I'm relatively unhappy with the changes to copy/paste in 08 and quite unhappy with the changes to expressions in 09. There are a few compensating bug fixes, so depending on what kind of music you write it might be worth it. (I understand chords work better as to lyric hyphens.) If I weren't using Mac OS Leopard, I'd still be on 07. I am tempted anyway to revert and live with the crash-on-exit, but I've traveled pretty far down the 08 road now. RP Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Listers, I am presently running MacFin 07, and it is working fine. If I upgrade to 2009, will it be worth it ... I've read about a ton of problems some of you folks have dealt with in the latest version ... have enough of those been worked out to buy into it? Thanks, Dean Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
Why don't you let Dean download the demo and decide for himself? On Nov 13, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I would not do it. I'm relatively unhappy with the changes to copy/ paste in 08 and quite unhappy with the changes to expressions in 09. There are a few compensating bug fixes, so depending on what kind of music you write it might be worth it. (I understand chords work better as to lyric hyphens.) If I weren't using Mac OS Leopard, I'd still be on 07. I am tempted anyway to revert and live with the crash-on-exit, but I've traveled pretty far down the 08 road now. RP Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Listers, I am presently running MacFin 07, and it is working fine. If I upgrade to 2009, will it be worth it ... I've read about a ton of problems some of you folks have dealt with in the latest version ... have enough of those been worked out to buy into it? Thanks, Dean Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
On 14.11.2008 Allen Fisher wrote: Why don't you let Dean download the demo and decide for himself? Well, actually, I am not sure whether this is the correct way to decide. A lot of the under-the-hood changes in 09 may very well only show their effects deep down into projects, which is not possible with a demo version which cannot save. I actually have the same question as Dean. I still don't know whether I will benefit from at least some of the improvements. I may well. Especially the new house style approach. I also hear that engraver slurs have improved, and this is one of the areas where I constantly curse. Then, I really dislike their reinvention of expressions - not so much because of the new staff-style usage but because of the no longer note-bound approach. I have yet to understand this, and understand why they did it. So far it completely escapes me. On the other hand I will eventually have to upgrade as my ibook is nearing its eol. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy
David W. Fenton wrote: On 26 Mar 2008 at 22:25, Christopher Smith wrote: Major new features in 2008 include linked parts Linked parts were added in 2007, no? Yes, but the question was about upgrading from 2005, so the option of upgrading to 2007 isn't available. Thus to a 2005 user, linked parts would be a new feature should they upgrade to 2008. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy
On Mar 27, 2008, at 6:20 AM, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 26 Mar 2008 at 22:25, Christopher Smith wrote: Major new features in 2008 include linked parts Linked parts were added in 2007, no? Yes, but the question was about upgrading from 2005, so the option of upgrading to 2007 isn't available. Thus to a 2005 user, linked parts would be a new feature should they upgrade to 2008. Umm, yeah... that's what I meant! Really... Christopher (caught with his features down) 8-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TO BUY or not to buy
OK guys. I want to see a show of hands. I have MacFin07 and I'm contemplating upgrading to 2008. My question: IS IT WORTH IT? Or am I buying in to more trouble than it's worth? I've seen so many negative things here on the List (although I haven't monitored it every day, thus my question. All the best, KIM R PS- my latest problem is (and I'm sure this has been addressed) is that the staff styles I've entered into the score do not appear in the linked parts. Also, many of the multi-measure rests. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy
On 26-Mar-08, at 3:23 AM, Kim Richmond wrote: OK guys. I want to see a show of hands. I have MacFin07 and I'm contemplating upgrading to 2008. My question: IS IT WORTH IT? Or am I buying in to more trouble than it's worth? I've seen so many negative things here on the List (although I haven't monitored it every day, thus my question. All the best, KIM R PS- my latest problem is (and I'm sure this has been addressed) is that the staff styles I've entered into the score do not appear in the linked parts. Also, many of the multi-measure rests. 2008a (the update to 2008) is a big improvement over 2007, for no other reason than a bunch of bad, ugly bugs have been squashed, including the Speedy Entry 9 enharmonic flip bug, which had made 2007 and 2008 essentially unusable for me, since I used Speedy so much. There are still some nasty bugs, but most of them are the same in 2008 as 2007, so no difference there. The two problems you mention are the modern equivalent of Update Layout, which in previous versions you had to keep doing manually until it turned into a nervous tic. Rests - go to EditMultimeasure Rests and click Create for Parts/ Score and select all of them. You will have to do this once and only once for each new document. Staff Styles - Along with linked parts comes the ability to have different Staff Styles in the parts than in the score. However, Staff Styles are SUPPOSED to be the same in the parts as you entered them in the score until you manually change them, but there is something buggy about it. Fortunately, it is easy to fix. While in the PART, select the Staff Tool, select the entire document, go to the Staff Menu and choose Reset Staff Styles to Score. You will have to do this for each part that has staff styles in it. Set up a keyboard shortcut if you have a macro program. Make this an automatic thing for each new part, as you will be doing it a lot. Darcy called it the new Update Layout. Both these problems are magnified a hundredfold or so if you are in the habit of clearing music out of an old document and using it as a template (and other things crop up too, like any page layout changes, lyric, chord or expression baseline changes you may have made being hard to clear). If you like a previous document's settings, then use it as an actual template by putting a copy of it into the Component Files folder where the Setup Wizard can see it. I think I remember this feature as being new to 2008. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy
If you paste or insert data including time signature changes from Finale-opened MIDI files into a new file, you'll have to go through a few extra steps in 2008 because they revised the way music is selected and copied when they introduced the concept of measure stacks. However, they did fix a bunch of long-standing bugs in the update. Brian Williams From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:00:20 -0500 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Finale Digest, Vol 56, Issue 26 OK guys. I want to see a show of hands. I have MacFin07 and I'm contemplating upgrading to 2008. My question: IS IT WORTH IT? Or am I buying in to more trouble than it's worth? I've seen so many negative things here on the List (although I haven't monitored it every day, thus my question. All the best, KIM R PS- my latest problem is (and I'm sure this has been addressed) is that the staff styles I've entered into the score do not appear in the linked parts. Also, many of the multi-measure rests. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy
I am returning to this list after a long hiatus, and am still using 2005a. (My first upgrade from 1997, so am still enamored with how great it is compared to that!) I, too, have wondered whether or not to update, and really appreciate the candid remarks about new and old bugs. :) Thanks! Nancy in Nebraska ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy
On Mar 26, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Nancy L Schoen wrote: I am returning to this list after a long hiatus, and am still using 2005a. (My first upgrade from 1997, so am still enamored with how great it is compared to that!) I, too, have wondered whether or not to update, and really appreciate the candid remarks about new and old bugs. :) Hmm, I don't remember 2005 so well now, but I remember that 2006 was a good version that I was very happy with. Major new features in 2008 include linked parts (yay!) and being able to use any document as a template to create a new document with the same settings. Also audio tracks. Also I remember 2007 was a major speed improvement on my old Mac. Also the basic defaults are better than they were, and if you like better playback, Garritan and Human Playback are a good combo. I would do it, in your shoes, but I am a total slut for new versions... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy
Actually, 2007 has Linked Parts. And it is Universal Binary on the Mac side (first version to be so I think). 2008 would be a good buy if you had a Mac. The Leopard support is good, and the ability to have a quick view of docs is nice to have. And it is stable. But, since summer is almost here, and Finale comes out with new versions around July or so, I'd really put off buying it unless MakeMusic is going to offer some sort of cheaper upgrade path for you. On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Nancy L Schoen wrote: I am returning to this list after a long hiatus, and am still using 2005a. (My first upgrade from 1997, so am still enamored with how great it is compared to that!) I, too, have wondered whether or not to update, and really appreciate the candid remarks about new and old bugs. :) Hmm, I don't remember 2005 so well now, but I remember that 2006 was a good version that I was very happy with. Major new features in 2008 include linked parts (yay!) and being able to use any document as a template to create a new document with the same settings. Also audio tracks. Also I remember 2007 was a major speed improvement on my old Mac. Also the basic defaults are better than they were, and if you like better playback, Garritan and Human Playback are a good combo. I would do it, in your shoes, but I am a total slut for new versions... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy
On 26 Mar 2008 at 22:25, Christopher Smith wrote: Major new features in 2008 include linked parts Linked parts were added in 2007, no? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
