Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
On 07.05.2006 keith helgesen wrote: Highlight (or check-box staff) required staves- select; playback. Listen! This is possible in a very similar way in 2k6 with the new Studio View. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
On 06.05.2006 dhbailey wrote: Now maybe you could explain the logic of such a setting being the Clef Tool, when the same setting is NOT in the Time Signature tool or the Key Signature tool? Why have two such settings in the Measure Tool but leave the third such setting in the clef tool? Yes, there is a reason: Those settings in the measure attributes work on every staff for that particular measure. The clef setting works on every staff seperately, and it needs to, too. So this is actually the only way to do it. Also, the clef tool allows to define the size of the clef individually, which is neither possible nor necessary for time and key sigs. However, as we already found out, this doesn't solve the problem of having all three shown, as though it was the beginning of the system, as it may be needed for excercises etc. -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Now that expressions, particularly dynamics, can be properly positioned automatically, I'd really like to be able to apply by dragging around the destination note(s) or measures. Seems like this couldn't be too hard to implement since it's very similar to the way articulations already work. Don Hart on 5/5/06 3:31 AM, Johannes Gebauer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not that I really have the time, but this is something which I have been > wanting to start a long time ago. > > There are numerous things which I think Finale could do much better if > small changes were made. This is not really about feature requests for > new features, just about little things that could make our lives so much > easier. > > I'll start with a couple, and perhaps we can come up with a list which > we can send to MakeMusic. > > - tie ends to be supported in any measure, not just second endings > - clefs after the bar line to appear after the clef-key-meter at the > beginning of systems (needs to be optional, to be compatible with > existing docs) > - graphics to move with pages just as text blocks do (when pages are > inserted) > > Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
keith helgesen wrote: Am I being over-simplistic in suggesting the ideal 'improvement' on selected playback; Highlight (or check-box staff) required staves- select; playback. Listen! That way one could hear- e.g. 2nd Trumpet, viola, 3rd Trom and tambourine if one wished! (Bizarre thought!) Or any other combo. Highlight/select is often used in other applications- cannot our programmers nut this one out? It completely cuts out mute/unmute/instlists etc. Pre-selected lists are fine for obvious choices such as all strings, trumpets, low brass etc. But suppose I want to hear the oboe line against 3rd and 4th horns. Mmm- that works- now- what about same oboe line against viola and 'cello? OK now add horns-etc. I'd probably want to hear this type of selection just once- and never again. By the time I'd worked out the current selection process I'd have forgotten why I wanted it! Cheers Keith in OZ That's pretty much what would work the best for me, even though I was not aware of the play/mute/solo bit in the instrument list. It'd be MUCH faster and easier. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Am I being over-simplistic in suggesting the ideal 'improvement' on selected playback; Highlight (or check-box staff) required staves- select; playback. Listen! That way one could hear- e.g. 2nd Trumpet, viola, 3rd Trom and tambourine if one wished! (Bizarre thought!) Or any other combo. Highlight/select is often used in other applications- cannot our programmers nut this one out? It completely cuts out mute/unmute/instlists etc. Pre-selected lists are fine for obvious choices such as all strings, trumpets, low brass etc. But suppose I want to hear the oboe line against 3rd and 4th horns. Mmm- that works- now- what about same oboe line against viola and 'cello? OK now add horns-etc. I'd probably want to hear this type of selection just once- and never again. By the time I'd worked out the current selection process I'd have forgotten why I wanted it! Cheers Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2006 8:58 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread Darcy James Argue wrote: > On 05 May 2006, at 9:11 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: > >> In playback, being able to select a subset of parts for playback (the >> sax section, the violins, the [fill-in-the-blank] section. > > Again, already possible (and very easy) with mute/solo, mute/unmute all, > etc. > While possible, it isn't always that easy, depending on the size of the score. I would think it would be easier to include staff lists in the playback dialogue, so it would be quick and easy, once the staff lists are defined, to simply select which staff lists to have play back. That way, in setting up the score we could define our staff groups (flutes, clarinets, saxes, trumpets, horns, trombones, violins, strings, whatever) and then simply be shown a check list. Currently, while it is certainly possible, we have to mute/solo upwards of 20, 30 tracks at times. And since they may well not be contiguous, scrolling around the list isn't all that quick or easy. I think "easy" in this case is more in the nature of the scores one works on most of the time. Quartets, quintets would be easy. Operatic scores with full romantic-orchestra instrumentation is a whole lot harder to do. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/05/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/05/2006 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
> > This feature has been available for quite some time with one of > Jari's free > > plug-ins, JW Playback, still available at > > http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/index.html. I use it a great > deal when > > I'm composing (mostly big orchestra stuff) and can't imagine > doing without > > it. > > > > I just downloaded that, copied it to my Finale2006 plug-ins folder, and > every time I try to run it, when I click PLAY it forces Finale to > shut-down with an error message. I have PDKTools 2.15 installed. > > Are you using it on Finale2006? What am I doing wrong? > I'm using PDKTools 2.15, but on Finale 2004. I notice the download page claims compatibility with Finale 2000-2005; maybe Jari didn't update it for 2006? If that is the case, it would be a huge disincentive for me to do the next Finale upgrade, which I was planning to. Anyone using JW Playback with Finale 2006? -Lee ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Lee Actor wrote: On 05 May 2006, at 9:11 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: In playback, being able to select a subset of parts for playback (the sax section, the violins, the [fill-in-the-blank] section. Again, already possible (and very easy) with mute/solo, mute/unmute all, etc. While possible, it isn't always that easy, depending on the size of the score. I would think it would be easier to include staff lists in the playback dialogue, so it would be quick and easy, once the staff lists are defined, to simply select which staff lists to have play back. That way, in setting up the score we could define our staff groups (flutes, clarinets, saxes, trumpets, horns, trombones, violins, strings, whatever) and then simply be shown a check list. Currently, while it is certainly possible, we have to mute/solo upwards of 20, 30 tracks at times. And since they may well not be contiguous, scrolling around the list isn't all that quick or easy. I think "easy" in this case is more in the nature of the scores one works on most of the time. Quartets, quintets would be easy. Operatic scores with full romantic-orchestra instrumentation is a whole lot harder to do. -- David H. Bailey This feature has been available for quite some time with one of Jari's free plug-ins, JW Playback, still available at http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/index.html. I use it a great deal when I'm composing (mostly big orchestra stuff) and can't imagine doing without it. I just downloaded that, copied it to my Finale2006 plug-ins folder, and every time I try to run it, when I click PLAY it forces Finale to shut-down with an error message. I have PDKTools 2.15 installed. Are you using it on Finale2006? What am I doing wrong? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 05.05.2006 dc wrote: - in the measure attributes, the possibility to show the clef, as one can show the time or the key signature. The amount of fiddling this now requires is incredible. Clef tool, always show. No fiddling as far as I can see. Johannes I replied too soon -- it may be in the clef tool, but if you want it to show at the start of the measure, it comes AFTER the key signature and AFTER the time signature, leaving us the need to work with extra measures and hidden barlines, hidden staff lines to get it to look as if it is the start of a system, even if it's in the middle of a line, such as for an exercise testing the reading of key signatures, where a person might want to put 6 different examples on one line of a paper. Maybe we just need to beg for 2 more settings: Before/after key signature and Before/after time signature? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 05.05.2006 dc wrote: - in the measure attributes, the possibility to show the clef, as one can show the time or the key signature. The amount of fiddling this now requires is incredible. Clef tool, always show. No fiddling as far as I can see. Johannes Cool! Now maybe you could explain the logic of such a setting being the Clef Tool, when the same setting is NOT in the Time Signature tool or the Key Signature tool? Why have two such settings in the Measure Tool but leave the third such setting in the clef tool? At any rate, I am delighted that it's there -- now if Finale could only hire some continuity experts to ensure that similar settings be in similar spots in the various tools I'd be even happier. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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> > On 05 May 2006, at 9:11 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: > > > >> In playback, being able to select a subset of parts for playback (the > >> sax section, the violins, the [fill-in-the-blank] section. > > > > Again, already possible (and very easy) with mute/solo, > mute/unmute all, > > etc. > > > > While possible, it isn't always that easy, depending on the size of the > score. I would think it would be easier to include staff lists in the > playback dialogue, so it would be quick and easy, once the staff lists > are defined, to simply select which staff lists to have play back. > > That way, in setting up the score we could define our staff groups > (flutes, clarinets, saxes, trumpets, horns, trombones, violins, strings, > whatever) and then simply be shown a check list. > > Currently, while it is certainly possible, we have to mute/solo upwards > of 20, 30 tracks at times. And since they may well not be contiguous, > scrolling around the list isn't all that quick or easy. > > I think "easy" in this case is more in the nature of the scores one > works on most of the time. Quartets, quintets would be easy. Operatic > scores with full romantic-orchestra instrumentation is a whole lot > harder to do. > > -- > David H. Bailey This feature has been available for quite some time with one of Jari's free plug-ins, JW Playback, still available at http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/index.html. I use it a great deal when I'm composing (mostly big orchestra stuff) and can't imagine doing without it. Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
On 05.05.2006 dc wrote: And what happens if you have a time sig and a key sig you also want to show? This is the problem, because the clef is in the wrong place. Ah, now I see what you want, for this you will need an extra invisible measure. Possible, with some fiddling, though not really that much. But nonetheless, I understand the need. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
On 05.05.2006 dc wrote: - in the measure attributes, the possibility to show the clef, as one can show the time or the key signature. The amount of fiddling this now requires is incredible. Clef tool, always show. No fiddling as far as I can see. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
dhbailey wrote: But it would be so much easier to simply click the measure tool, click the measure where you want to force a clef to apear and set the attribute just as we do now for time signature and key signature, and have it appear at the same size as it does at the start of the system. Think how much time this would save for people working on exercise sheets for theory or harmony classes. I concur. It will be interesting to see if any of the "it would be much easier if..." ideas currently being generated ever make it into an update. Bruce ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
dc wrote: And what happens if you have a time sig and a key sig you also want to show? This is the problem, because the clef is in the wrong place. Aha! The plot thickens! Yup, looks like no easy fix for this one. Sorry. Bruce ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Darcy James Argue wrote: On 05 May 2006, at 9:11 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: In playback, being able to select a subset of parts for playback (the sax section, the violins, the [fill-in-the-blank] section. Again, already possible (and very easy) with mute/solo, mute/unmute all, etc. While possible, it isn't always that easy, depending on the size of the score. I would think it would be easier to include staff lists in the playback dialogue, so it would be quick and easy, once the staff lists are defined, to simply select which staff lists to have play back. That way, in setting up the score we could define our staff groups (flutes, clarinets, saxes, trumpets, horns, trombones, violins, strings, whatever) and then simply be shown a check list. Currently, while it is certainly possible, we have to mute/solo upwards of 20, 30 tracks at times. And since they may well not be contiguous, scrolling around the list isn't all that quick or easy. I think "easy" in this case is more in the nature of the scores one works on most of the time. Quartets, quintets would be easy. Operatic scores with full romantic-orchestra instrumentation is a whole lot harder to do. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Darcy James Argue wrote: S = solo, M = mute. - Darcy Thanks! cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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S = solo, M = mute. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 05 May 2006, at 9:49 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Instrument list and (in Fin '06) Studio View. The instrument list is ... often not clear. Using FinWin2004, there are columns with initials above them, but what those initials DO is not clear, and the documentation (such as it is) is also not enlightening. Fin 2006 has not yet shown me significant advantage to pay the extra for it. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Darcy James Argue wrote: Instrument list and (in Fin '06) Studio View. The instrument list is ... often not clear. Using FinWin2004, there are columns with initials above them, but what those initials DO is not clear, and the documentation (such as it is) is also not enlightening. Fin 2006 has not yet shown me significant advantage to pay the extra for it. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Instrument list and (in Fin '06) Studio View. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 05 May 2006, at 9:28 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: On 05 May 2006, at 9:11 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: In playback, being able to select a subset of parts for playback (the sax section, the violins, the [fill-in-the-blank] section. Again, already possible (and very easy) with mute/solo, mute/ unmute all, etc. I've never run across those - where are they found? cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Darcy James Argue wrote: On 05 May 2006, at 9:11 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: In playback, being able to select a subset of parts for playback (the sax section, the violins, the [fill-in-the-blank] section. Again, already possible (and very easy) with mute/solo, mute/unmute all, etc. I've never run across those - where are they found? cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
On 05 May 2006, at 9:11 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: In playback, being able to select a subset of parts for playback (the sax section, the violins, the [fill-in-the-blank] section. Again, already possible (and very easy) with mute/solo, mute/unmute all, etc. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Not that I really have the time, but this is something which I have been wanting to start a long time ago. There are numerous things which I think Finale could do much better if small changes were made. This is not really about feature requests for new features, just about little things that could make our lives so much easier. I'll start with a couple, and perhaps we can come up with a list which we can send to MakeMusic. - tie ends to be supported in any measure, not just second endings - clefs after the bar line to appear after the clef-key-meter at the beginning of systems (needs to be optional, to be compatible with existing docs) - graphics to move with pages just as text blocks do (when pages are inserted) Johannes In playback, being able to select a subset of parts for playback (the sax section, the violins, the [fill-in-the-blank] section. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Bruce Hunter wrote:
dc wrote:
I'd have quite a few, but here's one that should be easy to implement,
and that I really missed recently:
- in the measure attributes, the possibility to show the clef, as one
can show the time or the key signature. The amount of fiddling this
now requires is incredible.
dc,
the following works for me, (finwin2004)...
select clef tool
select measure
{in the dialogue box},
select create clef change at beginning of measure
select place clef after barline
select show clef always
(size to taste)
select ok
respace measure (click in, click out).
Or, have I, in my usual dense manner, misunderstood? 8^)
Regards,
Bruce Hunter
But it would be so much easier to simply click the measure tool, click
the measure where you want to force a clef to apear and set the
attribute just as we do now for time signature and key signature, and
have it appear at the same size as it does at the start of the system.
Think how much time this would save for people working on exercise
sheets for theory or harmony classes.
--
David H. Bailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
dc wrote:
I'd have quite a few, but here's one that should be easy to implement,
and that I really missed recently:
- in the measure attributes, the possibility to show the clef, as one
can show the time or the key signature. The amount of fiddling this now
requires is incredible.
dc,
the following works for me, (finwin2004)...
select clef tool
select measure
{in the dialogue box},
select create clef change at beginning of measure
select place clef after barline
select show clef always
(size to taste)
select ok
respace measure (click in, click out).
Or, have I, in my usual dense manner, misunderstood? 8^)
Regards,
Bruce Hunter
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Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
In the Mac version of Finale 2006 this is broken right now; the handles are wildly misplaced. I don't know about the PC version. This is supposed to work. It is an obvious bug that has been there for a while. Christopher On May 5, 2006, at 7:44 AM, Scott Jones wrote: Use the Expressions tool and create a shape using the graphics option in the shape designer and then attach it as you would any other expression: to a note attached or measure attached. ___ J. Scott Jones Band/Orchestra Director/Freelance Trumpet Player-Teacher/Music Engraver On May 5, 2006, at 6:14 AM, dhbailey wrote: I would add: the ability to attach graphics to individual notes or to specific measures. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Scott Jones wrote: Use the Expressions tool and create a shape using the graphics option in the shape designer and then attach it as you would any other expression: to a note attached or measure attached. I know it's possible now using your method, but the shape designer is less than wonderful, and I think it would be a whole lot nicer to simply use the Graphics tool and in placing a graphic, select whether it's page-attached, measure-attached or note-attached, like we can do for text (page-attached or measure-attached). This would make placing fingerings which have already been created as graphics so much easier than messing with the shape designer. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Use the Expressions tool and create a shape using the graphics option in the shape designer and then attach it as you would any other expression: to a note attached or measure attached. ___ J. Scott Jones Band/Orchestra Director/Freelance Trumpet Player-Teacher/Music Engraver On May 5, 2006, at 6:14 AM, dhbailey wrote: I would add: the ability to attach graphics to individual notes or to specific measures. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Not that I really have the time, but this is something which I have been wanting to start a long time ago. There are numerous things which I think Finale could do much better if small changes were made. This is not really about feature requests for new features, just about little things that could make our lives so much easier. I'll start with a couple, and perhaps we can come up with a list which we can send to MakeMusic. - tie ends to be supported in any measure, not just second endings - clefs after the bar line to appear after the clef-key-meter at the beginning of systems (needs to be optional, to be compatible with existing docs) - graphics to move with pages just as text blocks do (when pages are inserted) Johannes I would add: the ability to attach graphics to individual notes or to specific measures. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] The Finale little improvements thread
Not that I really have the time, but this is something which I have been wanting to start a long time ago. There are numerous things which I think Finale could do much better if small changes were made. This is not really about feature requests for new features, just about little things that could make our lives so much easier. I'll start with a couple, and perhaps we can come up with a list which we can send to MakeMusic. - tie ends to be supported in any measure, not just second endings - clefs after the bar line to appear after the clef-key-meter at the beginning of systems (needs to be optional, to be compatible with existing docs) - graphics to move with pages just as text blocks do (when pages are inserted) Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
