Re: [Finale] page layout
I do not see the behavior you describe with margins. It may be some setting unique to your file. One thing to check is if Avoid Margin Collisions being checked or unchecked makes a difference. I used New->Document Without Libraries. Then I added 100 or so bars to it. Your margin editing procedure worked fine for me for that file. (This is Mac Finale.) Your way of working on part layout isn't that bad. Another tool you might find useful is the Space Systems plugin. That is my tool of choice for part layout. Ymmv. I have not played much with the new Fin26 articulation features, but I'm pretty sure it does not include expressions or hairpins. Articulations (marked for it) stack automatically, and articulations have a setting to avoid collision with slur endpoints. On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Dalvin Boone wrote: > Windows 7, newest Finale: My method to get rid of extra pages in parts - a > page with one or two systems, for example - is by going to page layout, > systems, edit systems. On the first page, or a last page, I can click on > "distance between systems" and enter "0" and expect the systems to move > closer together and provide room for one or two systems on subsequent pages > to move up to a previous page. When I get the number of systems on all > pages that I want, I can check "space systems evenly" and "keep same number > of systems on pages." > > > > Now, with the new Finale, if I select systems (staves) 2 through 8, for > example, and choose "0" distance between staves or choose to reduce the > distance below staves, the staves/systems spread very far apart (instead of > moving closer together). Is this a new bug, or am I missing something? > > > > Also, I thought the new Finale would automatically stack expressions, > dynamic markings and smart shapes and avoid collisions. This certainly > does > not happen in generated parts. Did I misunderstand the advertising? > > > > Dalvin Boone > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] page layout
Windows 7, newest Finale: My method to get rid of extra pages in parts - a page with one or two systems, for example - is by going to page layout, systems, edit systems. On the first page, or a last page, I can click on "distance between systems" and enter "0" and expect the systems to move closer together and provide room for one or two systems on subsequent pages to move up to a previous page. When I get the number of systems on all pages that I want, I can check "space systems evenly" and "keep same number of systems on pages." Now, with the new Finale, if I select systems (staves) 2 through 8, for example, and choose "0" distance between staves or choose to reduce the distance below staves, the staves/systems spread very far apart (instead of moving closer together). Is this a new bug, or am I missing something? Also, I thought the new Finale would automatically stack expressions, dynamic markings and smart shapes and avoid collisions. This certainly does not happen in generated parts. Did I misunderstand the advertising? Dalvin Boone ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] page layout
I need a few answers regarding page layout. I am using Finale 2011 on a Mac Mini. My OS X version is 10.11.6 El Capitan. Lately, my generated parts are needing a lot of tweaking. My first measure is indented too much, and my dynamics are being placed directly on top of notes instead of underneath them. I don’t know if these annoying issues are related to an older version of Finale running on a modern OS, but I am allowing for this possibility. I write mostly for Brass Quintet. Can someone suggest good page layout margin numbers for me to try? Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Page layout behaviour
Hello List,
Just a report back after my discussion with MM support about the centre
alignment guides that disappear when the Page Layout Tool is selected...
First response to my message and screen shots was:
Thanks for contacting us and I can certainly help. I would not expect the
guides to change at all when you click the Page Layout Tool. Do they by
chance reappear when you press Command + R to show rulers. Also, just so I
know what I am looking at as I cannot see your entire screen in the attached
files, did you change the guide color from it's default light blue?
What surprises me about these shots is that the page and system margins are
showing when you are in the Selection Tool which I would expect even less.
With that aside just for now, here's how I would align the staves:
1. Page Layout Tool
2. From the menubar at the top of your screen select Page Layout Systems
Edit Margins
A default document with an 8.5 x 11 page size has left and right margins of
.5 inches (on each side) - Therefore the inside width of the document is 7.5
inches - divide this by 2 and this is the size that the right side of each
system margin should be set to 3.5 inches.
I responded with more screen shots to clarify and the response was:
When you have View Show Margins checked all margins show with the
Selection Tool active. (your screenshot 3)
When Page Layout Tool is active the middle vertical and middle horizontal
margins disappear - this is what I would expect (as inconvenient as it is in
this case, it is normal behavior).
When Guides (light blue lines) are assigned with the Selection Tool active,
they are still visible when switching to the Page Layout Tool (and vice
versa) - This is where we're getting different behavior.
The advice continued trash the preferences (Gee, I didn't see that coming!?!)
which I dutifully did to no change and the annoyance that I had to set them up
again...
Fact is, these lines are available in EVERY tool except Page Layout. (With my
limited knowledge of programming, that suggests to me there is a box in the OO
programming environment that needs to be ticked!)
Why are these lines so important to me?
I frequently create worksheets for my students where i have musical examples on
one side of the page and space for text or answers on the other. When these
guides were available in Page Layout, all one had to do was select the system
handles (left or right) and drag them to the centre guide. Done and dusted.
As a workaround I have modified the default file so that a pale blue version of
the lines is present in every new document. Trouble is, now you can't turn it
off by de-selecting Show Margins. You have to turn the rulers on and delete the
blue guides.
What was once a an easy one-step process is now a pain in the arse!
Stephen
ars est longa,
vita brevis
Stephen Cronin's home page: http://www.stephen.cronin.name
{real+imagined} http://www.real-imagined.com.au
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Re: [Finale] Page layout behaviour
Stephen,
1. what shows when you've checked margins is not the same thing.
2. view menu; grid/guide; check, show guides
3. view menu; show; rulers
4. with cursor in rule, double click and the blue line with a heart shaped
arrow head, will appear on the page under all tools, including page layout.
My first attempt was with the margins showing. It took Jef's reply to help me
make the connection.
Michael Mathew
mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl
http://oregonmts.com/mathew/
From: Stephen Cronin step...@cronin.name
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 2:19 PM
Subject: [Finale] Page layout behaviour
Hello List,
Just a report back after my discussion with MM support about the centre
alignment guides that disappear when the Page Layout Tool is selected...
First response to my message and screen shots was:
Thanks for contacting us and I can certainly help. I would not expect the
guides to change at all when you click the Page Layout Tool. Do they by
chance reappear when you press Command + R to show rulers. Also, just so I
know what I am looking at as I cannot see your entire screen in the attached
files, did you change the guide color from it's default light blue?
What surprises me about these shots is that the page and system margins are
showing when you are in the Selection Tool which I would expect even less.
With that aside just for now, here's how I would align the staves:
1. Page Layout Tool
2. From the menubar at the top of your screen select Page Layout Systems
Edit Margins
A default document with an 8.5 x 11 page size has left and right margins of
.5 inches (on each side) - Therefore the inside width of the document is 7.5
inches - divide this by 2 and this is the size that the right side of each
system margin should be set to 3.5 inches.
I responded with more screen shots to clarify and the response was:
When you have View Show Margins checked all margins show with the
Selection Tool active. (your screenshot 3)
When Page Layout Tool is active the middle vertical and middle horizontal
margins disappear - this is what I would expect (as inconvenient as it is in
this case, it is normal behavior).
When Guides (light blue lines) are assigned with the Selection Tool active,
they are still visible when switching to the Page Layout Tool (and vice
versa) - This is where we're getting different behavior.
The advice continued trash the preferences (Gee, I didn't see that
coming!?!) which I dutifully did to no change and the annoyance that I had to
set them up again...
Fact is, these lines are available in EVERY tool except Page Layout. (With my
limited knowledge of programming, that suggests to me there is a box in the OO
programming environment that needs to be ticked!)
Why are these lines so important to me?
I frequently create worksheets for my students where i have musical examples
on one side of the page and space for text or answers on the other. When these
guides were available in Page Layout, all one had to do was select the system
handles (left or right) and drag them to the centre guide. Done and dusted.
As a workaround I have modified the default file so that a pale blue version
of the lines is present in every new document. Trouble is, now you can't turn
it off by de-selecting Show Margins. You have to turn the rulers on and delete
the blue guides.
What was once a an easy one-step process is now a pain in the arse!
Stephen
ars est longa,
vita brevis
Stephen Cronin's home page: http://www.stephen.cronin.name
{real+imagined} http://www.real-imagined.com.au
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Re: [Finale] Page layout behaviour
Sounds like MM doesn't understand your problem. From reading your email, it
sounds like they were addressing the blue page guides (which are set
manually by the user), rather than the gray margin lines (which are defined
in Finale).
I have show margins checked. The center line is visible (which I like).
When I uncheck show margins, the center line goes away. The issue isn't
related to the page guides (the light blue lines).
I experience the same behavior as you in 2012: The center line is visible
on every tool except the page layout tool. I checked 2010 and it's the same
there as well. It would be great to have that center line visible in the
page layout tool.
I think right now the best work around is to set a page guide at the
centerpoint so that it's visible in all tools.
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Michael Mathew
mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.comwrote:
Stephen,
1. what shows when you've checked margins is not the same thing.
2. view menu; grid/guide; check, show guides
3. view menu; show; rulers
4. with cursor in rule, double click and the blue line with a heart shaped
arrow head, will appear on the page under all tools, including page layout.
My first attempt was with the margins showing. It took Jef's reply to help
me make the connection.
Michael Mathew
mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl
http://oregonmts.com/mathew/
From: Stephen Cronin step...@cronin.name
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 2:19 PM
Subject: [Finale] Page layout behaviour
Hello List,
Just a report back after my discussion with MM support about the centre
alignment guides that disappear when the Page Layout Tool is selected...
First response to my message and screen shots was:
Thanks for contacting us and I can certainly help. I would not expect
the guides to change at all when you click the Page Layout Tool. Do they by
chance reappear when you press Command + R to show rulers. Also, just so I
know what I am looking at as I cannot see your entire screen in the
attached files, did you change the guide color from it's default light blue?
What surprises me about these shots is that the page and system margins
are showing when you are in the Selection Tool which I would expect even
less.
With that aside just for now, here's how I would align the staves:
1. Page Layout Tool
2. From the menubar at the top of your screen select Page Layout
Systems Edit Margins
A default document with an 8.5 x 11 page size has left and right
margins of .5 inches (on each side) - Therefore the inside width of the
document is 7.5 inches - divide this by 2 and this is the size that the
right side of each system margin should be set to 3.5 inches.
I responded with more screen shots to clarify and the response was:
When you have View Show Margins checked all margins show with the
Selection Tool active. (your screenshot 3)
When Page Layout Tool is active the middle vertical and middle
horizontal margins disappear - this is what I would expect (as inconvenient
as it is in this case, it is normal behavior).
When Guides (light blue lines) are assigned with the Selection Tool
active, they are still visible when switching to the Page Layout Tool (and
vice versa) - This is where we're getting different behavior.
The advice continued trash the preferences (Gee, I didn't see that
coming!?!) which I dutifully did to no change and the annoyance that I had
to set them up again...
Fact is, these lines are available in EVERY tool except Page Layout.
(With my limited knowledge of programming, that suggests to me there is a
box in the OO programming environment that needs to be ticked!)
Why are these lines so important to me?
I frequently create worksheets for my students where i have musical
examples on one side of the page and space for text or answers on the
other. When these guides were available in Page Layout, all one had to do
was select the system handles (left or right) and drag them to the centre
guide. Done and dusted.
As a workaround I have modified the default file so that a pale blue
version of the lines is present in every new document. Trouble is, now you
can't turn it off by de-selecting Show Margins. You have to turn the rulers
on and delete the blue guides.
What was once a an easy one-step process is now a pain in the arse!
Stephen
ars est longa,
vita brevis
Stephen Cronin's home page: http://www.stephen.cronin.name
{real+imagined} http://www.real-imagined.com.au
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Re: [Finale] Page layout behaviour
The advice continued trash the preferences (Gee, I didn't see that coming!?!) which I dutifully did to no change and the annoyance that I had to set them up again... you should have saved a copy first :-) As a workaround I have modified the default file so that a pale blue version of the lines is present in every new document. Trouble is, now you can't turn it off by de-selecting Show Margins. You have to turn the rulers on and delete the blue guides. of course not, it is not a margin. you can turn off guides just as easily as margins. you can choose a different colour that is not distracting and just leave it there all the time. i found a light orange that i don't even notice unless i try to. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] page layout-systems-edit margins window gone
I have the main tool palette but no matter which monitor I hook up, the edit system margins in the page layout tool is nowhere to be found. Also, for some reason, the preferences folder will not open and I have been unable to trash the preferences. Finale tech support said they attached a file with an example of another way to get into the preferences but that file is not attached so awaiting their reply again. The preferences file used to be in a folder with the Finale program and all accompanying files. With 2011, the application is in the applications folder but the other files are stored separately and do not appear in any searches. It is very strange and still no solutions in sight! Thanks, Bonnie Bonnie Ruth Janofsky composer / songwriter 818-784-4466 www.BonnieRuthJanofsky.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] page layout-systems-edit margins window gone
Bonnie, I'm not sure what's happened to your main tool palette, but the preference file in now (FinMac 2011) in: HD users (name) Library Preferences The rest of the files are in HD Library Application Support Make Music Finale 2011 Hope this helps. Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de On 23.06.2011, at 19:42, Bonnie Janofsky wrote: I have the main tool palette but no matter which monitor I hook up, the edit system margins in the page layout tool is nowhere to be found. Also, for some reason, the preferences folder will not open and I have been unable to trash the preferences. Finale tech support said they attached a file with an example of another way to get into the preferences but that file is not attached so awaiting their reply again. The preferences file used to be in a folder with the Finale program and all accompanying files. With 2011, the application is in the applications folder but the other files are stored separately and do not appear in any searches. It is very strange and still no solutions in sight! Thanks, Bonnie Bonnie Ruth Janofsky composer / songwriter 818-784-4466 www.BonnieRuthJanofsky.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] page layout-systems-edit margins window gone
Running Finale 2011 MacBook Pro 17 OS 10.6.7 At first I had a problem with the main tool palette disappearing when I disconnected my 27 monitor but hesitated to reset the preferences. Now the page layout-systems-edit margins window is gone. Page Margins edit window and all other windows display just fine. I tried restarting the program, restarting the Mac, searched on the web but didn't find anything about this particular problem. I wanted to trash the preferences but cannot get into the preferences window. When I click on it, the finder window splits. Why is it suddenly so difficult to get into the preferences? Anyone have this happen and how did you solve it? I am not sure if I can include an attachment to this list so will not include it now. Cannot get the edit system margins window to appear on my 27 monitor, my 17 monitor at another location not my laptop screen itself. Nowhere to be found. This is what I sent to tech support but no answer yet - When I reconnected my 27 monitor, the master tool palette reappeared. I hesitated to delete the preferences since I have them fine tuned. Since yesterday, I cannot get the page layout / systems / edit margins window to appear either directly on my Mac laptop screen or my 27 monitor. I tried quitting and restarting Finale, then tried restarting the Mac to no avail. I wanted to go in and trash the preferences but when I click on the preferences window following the directions below, the preferences window will not open and the finder window splits in 2. I'll attach a screenshot to show what I mean. I tried accessing the preferences window several different routes but the preferences window will just not open. If I do a search for Finale 2011 preferences, nothing comes up. When accessing the templates or preferences folder, they now seem to be many layers deep, not as easily accessible as they previously were. [=== Please enter your reply above this line ===] Click here to respond through our website instead of via email. Discussion Thread Response Via Email (Christopher Y.) 06/06/2011 08:37 AM Hello, Let's start by resetting the preferences for the program. 1. Quit Finale 2011. 2. On your desktop, double-click your Macintosh HD icon. 3. In your Macintosh HD folder, navigate to the following folder: Users [your user name] Library Preferences. 4. In the Preferences folder, find a file named Finale 2011 Preferences. Drag it into the trash. 5. Empty your trash. 6. Restart your computer. 7. Relaunch Finale 2011. Please feel free to respond to this case if you have any further questions about this issue. Christopher Y. MakeMusic Customer Support Customer By Web Form (Bonnie Janofsky) 06/03/2011 03:00 PM When I use 2 monitors, when I disconnect one, the main tool palette disappears from view and there is no way to retrieve it. Today I disconnected my 27' external monitor to use my 17 external monitor at another location. The check mark showing the main tool palette is displaying but nowhere to be found. I thought I wouldn't have the problem this time since I knew I'd again use 2 monitors but still can't retrieve it. Bonnie Ruth Janofsky composer / songwriter 818-784-4466 www.BonnieRuthJanofsky.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] page layout-systems-edit margins window gone
i don't understand how support would not know the really easy solution without losing any of your prefs: rehook the external monitor, move layout palettes to the top and far left of the screen, save prefs. quit, unhook monitor, reboot and move palettes to an appropriate position on your laptop. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] page layout programs
What page layout program would members recommend for putting together a music book with lots of graphics and some text. I use Mac OS X 10.5 Anthony ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] page layout programs
Pages is great. For real pro-level stuff I'd imagine you'd probably want InDesign, but Pages is very good and does everything I need to do. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 23 Oct 2010, at 10:03 PM, Joel Will wrote: What page layout program would members recommend for putting together a music book with lots of graphics and some text. I use Mac OS X 10.5 Anthony ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
{Spam} Re: [Finale] page layout programs
I used Indesign for my music textbook. Very powerful application. Seems to be the standard amongst publishers, as far as I can tell (though I have also seen Quark still in use.) Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 24/10/2010, at 7:03 AM, Joel Will jwill...@gmail.com wrote: What page layout program would members recommend for putting together a music book with lots of graphics and some text. I use Mac OS X 10.5 Anthony ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Page layout for Marimba music
Never having played the marimba (due to being a clarinettist), or having had access to a marimba player in the last ten years, I am now faced with printing a piece to send to a marimbist in the US. I'm currently unsure of how they prefer their music to be laid out for solo work. The piece is nine pages long including title and directions. Any advice? Thanks, Adam ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page layout for Marimba music
At 12:35 PM -0300 3/23/10, Adam Taylor wrote: Never having played the marimba (due to being a clarinettist), or having had access to a marimba player in the last ten years, I am now faced with printing a piece to send to a marimbist in the US. I'm currently unsure of how they prefer their music to be laid out for solo work. The piece is nine pages long including title and directions. Any advice? For questions like this I turn to How to Write for Percussion by Samuel Z Solomon. He says: Marimba, vibraphone, and chimes sound as written. ... Marimba is notated in treble or bass clef or on a grand staff. He also points out that it's important to know the instrument you're writing for (ALWAYS a good idea!), since they vary from 4-octave to 5-octave instruments. He gives the range of a 4-octave instrument as small c (C3) to c (C7). For the 5-octave instrument, Great C (C2) to c (C7). There is also a fairly rare bass marima with a 2-octave range, Great C (C2) to middle C (C4). If that isn't what you were asking, I'm afraid I can't figure it out. It would be laid out like any other music, with careful attention given to page turns. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page layout for Marimba music
On Mar 23, 2010, at 12:56 PM, John Howell wrote: For questions like this I turn to How to Write for Percussion by Samuel Z Solomon. He ... points out that it's important to know the instrument you're writing for (ALWAYS a good idea!), since they vary from 4-octave to 5-octave instruments. He gives the range of a 4-octave instrument as small c (C3) to c (C7). For the 5-octave instrument, Great C (C2) to c (C7). There is also a fairly rare bass marima with a 2-octave range, Great C (C2) to middle C (C4). This advice is out of date. Nowadays only an old, cheap, or student marimba has 4 octaves. The standard professional instrument in the late twentieth century extended downward an additional minor third to A. I never heard of a five octave marimba until about ten years ago, but they are now quite common and becoming more so; their advent seems to have driven the bass marimba into extinction--I haven't seen one in ages, and there's certainly no need for one if it doesn't descend below the regular marimba range. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page layout for Marimba music
At 4:11 PM -0400 3/23/10, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Mar 23, 2010, at 12:56 PM, John Howell wrote: For questions like this I turn to How to Write for Percussion by Samuel Z Solomon. He ... points out that it's important to know the instrument you're writing for (ALWAYS a good idea!), since they vary from 4-octave to 5-octave instruments. He gives the range of a 4-octave instrument as small c (C3) to c (C7). For the 5-octave instrument, Great C (C2) to c (C7). There is also a fairly rare bass marima with a 2-octave range, Great C (C2) to middle C (C4). This advice is out of date. Nowadays only an old, cheap, or student marimba has 4 octaves. The standard professional instrument in the late twentieth century extended downward an additional minor third to A. I can't argue with that, Andrew, except to note that along with the low A bari sax and the low C bass clarinet, which can also be considered standard in some circles, there are an awful lot of old, cheap, or student instruments out there being used daily. If you're writing for schools, you have to keep that in mind. Not everyone has the very latest and greatest thing, just as not everyone has the latest and greatest computers or software. I never heard of a five octave marimba until about ten years ago, but they are now quite common and becoming more so; their advent seems to have driven the bass marimba into extinction--I haven't seen one in ages, and there's certainly no need for one if it doesn't descend below the regular marimba range. Yes, Solomon did note that the 4-octave marimba was fading away and the 5-octave was slowly gaining ground. But without being able to check his copyright date at the moment, I think he was trying to cover a broad range and not just the most up to date professional instruments. I've seen enough of our percussion ensemble to realize that there are several different models; one does not throw away an expensive instrument which may be obsolescent, but never obsolete! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] page layout questions
FinMac 2K7 I am trying to create a template from which I plan to start most of my arrangements. I want these values for System Margins (parts) Top = .277 Left = 0 Right = 0 Bottom = .36112 Distance between systems = .177 How do I make Finale apply these choices to the parts that this template will generate? A step by step explanation would really help. Thanks in advance. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] page layout questions
Page layout/parts It's right there in the Page Layout menu and will applyvto all parts. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: FinMac 2K7 I am trying to create a template from which I plan to start most of my arrangements. I want these values for System Margins (parts) Top = .277 Left = 0 Right = 0 Bottom = .36112 Distance between systems = .177 How do I make Finale apply these choices to the parts that this template will generate? A step by step explanation would really help. Thanks in advance. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page layout-parts
Hi Christopher and thanks, You're right, it's Page FormatParts. Just slipping on the terminology. But the odd part is that indeed I am talking about extracted (detached) parts made after changes in the Page Format window. In fact what is initially contained in those parts bears no resemblance to the values in the window. At any rate, Redefine Pages does the trick so I'm fine for the time being. Thank you again. Be well, Chris Nappi On Jan 28, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I don't have Parts in the Page Layout menu on my Intel Mac 10.4 in 2009. In the Document menu I have Page FormatParts, but changes in that window only affect parts that HAVEN'T been created yet. If your parts are already created, they will stay the same no matter what you put here, until you go the Page LayoutRedefine Pages menu item. If you are using 2009 regularly, I strongly suggest using the linked parts, rather than extraction the old-fashioned way. It's really great, especially when you have a minor change to make, say in a title font or changing a chord somewhere. The linked parts ended up changing the behaviour of extracted parts anyway (as you found out) so you may as well learn it. Sometimes when I change a system reduction in a linked part, any NEW systems that get added to ANY other parts (thought formatting changes or new music added, it doesn't matter which) inherit the settings for the last change I made, which is very annoying. I complained and MakeMusic claimed that bug was fixed, but it isn't. C. On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Chris Nappi wrote: Hello all, I'm having a problem I've never seen before (will Finale never cease to surprise?!?) FinMac2k9b on an Intel Mac and OS 10.5.6 I'm extracting parts from a score that someone else did. All parameters in the Page Layout - Parts window seem to be right, yet any extracted part comes out with virtually everything wrong. Page size, scaling, system marginseverything. Anyone seen this before? This isn't my first project in 2k9 but I didn't run into this at all before. Be well, Chris Nappi ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Page layout-parts
Hello all, I'm having a problem I've never seen before (will Finale never cease to surprise?!?) FinMac2k9b on an Intel Mac and OS 10.5.6 I'm extracting parts from a score that someone else did. All parameters in the Page Layout - Parts window seem to be right, yet any extracted part comes out with virtually everything wrong. Page size, scaling, system marginseverything. Anyone seen this before? This isn't my first project in 2k9 but I didn't run into this at all before. Be well, Chris Nappi ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page layout-parts
I don't have Parts in the Page Layout menu on my Intel Mac 10.4 in 2009. In the Document menu I have Page FormatParts, but changes in that window only affect parts that HAVEN'T been created yet. If your parts are already created, they will stay the same no matter what you put here, until you go the Page LayoutRedefine Pages menu item. If you are using 2009 regularly, I strongly suggest using the linked parts, rather than extraction the old-fashioned way. It's really great, especially when you have a minor change to make, say in a title font or changing a chord somewhere. The linked parts ended up changing the behaviour of extracted parts anyway (as you found out) so you may as well learn it. Sometimes when I change a system reduction in a linked part, any NEW systems that get added to ANY other parts (thought formatting changes or new music added, it doesn't matter which) inherit the settings for the last change I made, which is very annoying. I complained and MakeMusic claimed that bug was fixed, but it isn't. C. On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Chris Nappi wrote: Hello all, I'm having a problem I've never seen before (will Finale never cease to surprise?!?) FinMac2k9b on an Intel Mac and OS 10.5.6 I'm extracting parts from a score that someone else did. All parameters in the Page Layout - Parts window seem to be right, yet any extracted part comes out with virtually everything wrong. Page size, scaling, system marginseverything. Anyone seen this before? This isn't my first project in 2k9 but I didn't run into this at all before. Be well, Chris Nappi ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Page Layout problem
Hi everyone, Working on a score in 2005b, no problems so far, except when I extract parts. Tho' all thinkabel settings (in Finale, in System Preferences and so on) are set to A4, the Parts set up, set to A4, steady come out in US Letter, sometimes there's an Item 1 mention before the choise for Letter in the Set up db. I therefore placed A4 to the first place in the pagesizes.txt, but to no avail. This phaenomenia came up by upgrading to OS X 10.4.11. It's not that difficult to correct every part to A4, but is annoying and easy forgotten. For what is worth: my system is US, and my Flemisch (Azerty) keyboard is set to US, for working easily with Finale. When someone can understand my non native language: what am I missing, or what do I'm wrong? Every hint is welcome! TIA Nice holidays, Hans === Do what you believe in, and believe in what you do ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Layout Problem
Get onto page 3, then update layout. It only applies from the page you on until the end of the document, so updating layout when you are on page 4 won't help. C. On Oct 5, 2008, at 7:08 PM, Chris Nappi wrote: Hello all, I've been on and off this list for many years, but off for a quite a while and can't seem to get into the archive, so forgive me if this has already been dealt with. Finale Mac 2008, OS 10.5.5 I'm squeezing out parts for a piece and am finding I'm having an age old problem that I used to be able to clear up immediately and now I'm sort of stuck. Using the page layout tool, when I squeeze lines onto one page in order to facilitate page turns, the lines that I've squeezed onto the page won't disappear from the next page. Hypothetically, I'm trying to get lines 18 through 26 onto page 3. I get that to fit comfortably, Update layout, but line 26 still appears on page 4 as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and be well, Chris Nappi ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Layout Problem
Chris - When Update layout doesn't solve this, force a page break on system #26 and then remove the page break. The double system will be gone. On Oct 5, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Chris Nappi wrote: Using the page layout tool, when I squeeze lines onto one page in order to facilitate page turns, the lines that I've squeezed onto the page won't disappear from the next page. Hypothetically, I'm trying to get lines 18 through 26 onto page 3. I get that to fit comfortably, Update layout, but line 26 still appears on page 4 as well. John Blane Blane Music Preparation 1649 Huntington Ln. Highland Park, IL 60035 847 579-9900 847 579-9903 fax www.BlaneMusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Layout Oddity
Noel Stoutenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Moore wrote: In my WinFin 2004 (under XP), optimisation in the Page Layout tool occasionally gives anomalous results. [...] I have tried update layout, but never seen it work; I think first thing Id try is Update Layout on the Edit menu (keyboard shortcut CTRL+U). Thanks for replying; I shall use capitals for all commands in future, to make them easier to pick out of the text. I have discovered a rather convoluted sequence of manipulations that gives me printable pages: in Mass Mover, select the first measure of the correct version of the duplicated system and merge it with its true successor using down arrow; then split the combined system as required. This is not ideal, as it can still leave a duplicate system (which has no successor) on the last page, so one then has to remember not to waste paper by printing it. -- Ken Moore ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Layout Oddity
Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to be on the FIRST of the two pages when updating layout, as Update Layout only works from the page you are on until the end. I suspect that you are on the second of the two pages when you do it, which of course will do nothing to the first page. I Display Multiple Pages when doing Page Layout. Consequently, when I notice the duplication, I am always on the first page of the two. -- Ken Moore ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Layout Oddity
On Feb 4, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Ken Moore wrote: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to be on the FIRST of the two pages when updating layout, as Update Layout only works from the page you are on until the end. I suspect that you are on the second of the two pages when you do it, which of course will do nothing to the first page. I Display Multiple Pages when doing Page Layout. Consequently, when I notice the duplication, I am always on the first page of the two. I never do this (because I can't edit the second page!), so I don't know if this operates differently. Does displaying only one page at a time allow Update Layout to do its job properly? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Page Layout Oddity
In my WinFin 2004 (under XP), optimisation in the Page Layout tool occasionally gives anomalous results. I have a score in which I have used optimisation to reduce the number of page turns. With some adjustment of system spacings, I now have two pages on which the original two systems of five staves have been replaced by three systems of four staves. Unfortunately, the system numbers are now 18, 19, 20 on the first and 20, 21, 22 on the second; the following page has 22, 23. Typically, in these cases some other manipulation corrects the layout, but I have been unable to discover one that does this consistently. I have tried update layout, but never seen it work; occasionally Mass Mover respacing appears to have worked, but it usually fails. Other failed sequences are: scroll view, page view; save file, reboot Windows, start again; options, data check, remove deleted items. Any ideas? TIA -- Ken Moore ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Layout Oddity
Ken Moore wrote: In my WinFin 2004 (under XP), optimisation in the Page Layout tool occasionally gives anomalous results. I have a score in which I have used optimisation to reduce the number of page turns. With some adjustment of system spacings, I now have two pages on which the original two systems of five staves have been replaced by three systems of four staves. Unfortunately, the system numbers are now 18, 19, 20 on the first and 20, 21, 22 on the second; the following page has 22, 23. Typically, in these cases some other manipulation corrects the layout, but I have been unable to discover one that does this consistently. I think first thing Id try is Update Layout on the Edit menu (keyboard shortcut CTRL+U). ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Page layout bizarre behaviour (Finale 2002)
I am trying to adjust the number of pages and the gap between staves of parts by using the system margin and spacing parameters. However, sometimes I find systems being duplicated or being lost, but not necessarily consistently throughout all the pages of a part. Additionally, although I am checking the 'update page layout' and even doing it manually just in case auto layout isn't working, I can still find layouts changing as I move around the part from page to page to check what has happened. i.e. I can suddenly find the part spilling onto extra pages or the spacing no longer matching the settings I had specified. Is there a bug; is there an alternative/better way to adjust spacing (I do not want to use 'space systems evenly', at least not until I get the right number of pages)? Regards, Michael Lawlor mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page layout bizarre behaviour (Finale 2002)
One thing you have to remember - Update Layout only works from the page you are on to the last page. If you are on Page 3 when you update, then anything needing updating on pages 1 and 2 will NOT happen, thus giving you the odd results you are seeing. This is not as odd as it sounds, as they assume you are working through a piece from page 1 to the end, updating as you, and there is no need to update PREVIOUS pages that you have already presumably updated. Short answer: always update layout while on page 1, and your inconsistencies are solved. Christopher On Aug 10, 2006, at 8:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to adjust the number of pages and the gap between staves of parts by using the system margin and spacing parameters. However, sometimes I find systems being duplicated or being lost, but not necessarily consistently throughout all the pages of a part. Additionally, although I am checking the 'update page layout' and even doing it manually just in case auto layout isn't working, I can still find layouts changing as I move around the part from page to page to check what has happened. i.e. I can suddenly find the part spilling onto extra pages or the spacing no longer matching the settings I had specified. Is there a bug; is there an alternative/better way to adjust spacing (I do not want to use 'space systems evenly', at least not until I get the right number of pages)? Regards, Michael Lawlor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page layout bizarre behaviour (Finale 2002)
Thanks Christopher, You suggestion seems to have fixed the problem. It is odd though that Finale ignores the fact that a range of systems has been specified when deciding how to automatically update the page layout. It appears that many of the errors were indeed fixed by merely opening the files again in page view mode. Regards, Michael Lawlor From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Page layout bizarre behaviour (Finale 2002) To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed One thing you have to remember - Update Layout only works from the page you are on to the last page. If you are on Page 3 when you update, then anything needing updating on pages 1 and 2 will NOT happen, thus giving you the odd results you are seeing. This is not as odd as it sounds, as they assume you are working through a piece from page 1 to the end, updating as you, and there is no need to update PREVIOUS pages that you have already presumably updated. Short answer: always update layout while on page 1, and your inconsistencies are solved. Christopher mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
