Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)

[dhbailey]

A-NO-NE Music wrote:

shirling & neueweise / 2007/07/11 / 02:42 PM wrote:

why would staccato 8ths in 
the .MUS show up as non staccato 16ths when i open the extracted .SMF 
in finale?


I am sorta confused.  The studio you are sending the file doesn't have
Finale so what is the goal?  MIDI data only contain how long is the
sound duration.  It can't contain notation information.  Notation is up
to the interpreter.




Hiro's correct -- a staccato 8th is, in one very common interpretation, 
a 16th note with a 16th rest.  Re-importing that data into Finale will 
show up as sixteenth note/rest combination, but that isn't an issue 
since the studio just wants the midi file.


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Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)

[A-NO-NE Music]

shirling & neueweise / 2007/07/11 / 02:42 PM wrote:

>why would staccato 8ths in 
>the .MUS show up as non staccato 16ths when i open the extracted .SMF 
>in finale?

I am sorta confused.  The studio you are sending the file doesn't have
Finale so what is the goal?  MIDI data only contain how long is the
sound duration.  It can't contain notation information.  Notation is up
to the interpreter.

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RE: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)

[Williams, Jim]

Also remember that we can retranscribe individual sections.
Export isn't really a "settable" factor--Notation programs simply exports what 
they have in them. If it has a note of 560 EDUs, it exports a note of 560 EDUs. It is up 
to the interpreting program and its user to decide if 560 EDUs is an eighth note or a 
staccato quarter.

The assumption is that users of notation programs use step-time entry (simple 
or speedy) and notes will be 100% of value (settable in some cases). So a 
staccato quarter, where staccato means 60% value, is exported as a note of 615 
EDUs in Finale or 288 of 480 ticks in Overture. That's why MIDI import has the 
variable parameters. It is up to the IMPORT to decide whether 615 EDUs is a 
long eighth followed by an eighth rest or a staccato quarter. If you checked 
the box i mentioned last time (minimize rests), such notes would be transcribed 
as quarters.
It failed to register on me as well that EXPORT was under discussion, rather 
than import.
Export is what it is. The interpretation is on the IMPORT end.



From: Dick Hauser
Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 10:46
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)


On Jul 11, 2007, at 7:03 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:



Under the Midi/Audio pull down (2008) you can look at Import midi  
file options.  If it all looks like it makes sense, you might just  
try setting the minimum duration to eights.  It's possible, I  
suppose, that Finale is keeping a midi value of a sixteenth  
(followed by a sixteenth rest) for a staccato 16th, but I really  
don't know.


i haven't been back to this yet, and won't before tomorrow so i  
can't verify this will do it, but if there are also 16ths, how does  
this affect it?  or is min. dur. some kind of MIDI interpretation  
setting?


Right, if there are 16th's else where in the music, this method won't  
work for you.  Also, upon reading this, however, it occurred to me  
that you want to adjust settings for export since that's what you're  
wanting to do.


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Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)

[Dick Hauser]

On Jul 11, 2007, at 7:03 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:



Under the Midi/Audio pull down (2008) you can look at Import midi  
file options.  If it all looks like it makes sense, you might just  
try setting the minimum duration to eights.  It's possible, I  
suppose, that Finale is keeping a midi value of a sixteenth  
(followed by a sixteenth rest) for a staccato 16th, but I really  
don't know.


i haven't been back to this yet, and won't before tomorrow so i  
can't verify this will do it, but if there are also 16ths, how does  
this affect it?  or is min. dur. some kind of MIDI interpretation  
setting?


Right, if there are 16th's else where in the music, this method won't  
work for you.  Also, upon reading this, however, it occurred to me  
that you want to adjust settings for export since that's what you're  
wanting to do.


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Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)

[shirling & neueweise]

Under the Midi/Audio pull down (2008) you can look at Import midi 
file options.  If it all looks like it makes sense, you might just 
try setting the minimum duration to eights.  It's possible, I 
suppose, that Finale is keeping a midi value of a sixteenth 
(followed by a sixteenth rest) for a staccato 16th, but I really 
don't know.


i haven't been back to this yet, and won't before tomorrow so i can't 
verify this will do it, but if there are also 16ths, how does this 
affect it?  or is min. dur. some kind of MIDI interpretation setting?


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RE: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)

[shirling & neueweise]

How about "more settings>minimize number of rests" ?


isn't that backwards from what i meed?  will check tomorrow, but it 
was checked originally, and it didn't work... although i changed a 
number of settings since then.


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RE: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)

[Williams, Jim]

How about "more settings>minimize number of rests" ?
I tuned into the middle of this...have you tried checking that??



From: Dick Hauser
Sent: Wed 11-Jul-07 20:15
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)


On Jul 11, 2007, at 11:42 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote:

at a quick glance, the music seems correct, but why would staccato  
8ths in the .MUS show up as non staccato 16ths when i open the  
extracted .SMF in finale? i've tried a number of combinations of  
"retain note durations" and "soften syncopations" and "sensitivity  
level"... HP is off as well.


Under the Midi/Audio pull down (2008) you can look at Import midi  
file options.  If it all looks like it makes sense, you might just  
try setting the minimum duration to eights.  It's possible, I  
suppose, that Finale is keeping a midi value of a sixteenth (followed  
by a sixteenth rest) for a staccato 16th, but I really don't know.


Dick H
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Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)

[Dick Hauser]

On Jul 11, 2007, at 11:42 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote:

at a quick glance, the music seems correct, but why would staccato  
8ths in the .MUS show up as non staccato 16ths when i open the  
extracted .SMF in finale? i've tried a number of combinations of  
"retain note durations" and "soften syncopations" and "sensitivity  
level"... HP is off as well.


Under the Midi/Audio pull down (2008) you can look at Import midi  
file options.  If it all looks like it makes sense, you might just  
try setting the minimum duration to eights.  It's possible, I  
suppose, that Finale is keeping a midi value of a sixteenth (followed  
by a sixteenth rest) for a staccato 16th, but I really don't know.


Dick H
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