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Listers, How does one check a UPS? On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Eric Dannewitz / 04.11.28 / 4:52AM wrote: What? What part of California are you talking about? In the Bay Area where I live we haven't had a power outage in over a year. Poor Californians. Living in Greater Boston for 17 years, I've had short power outages only 3 times! Yet I have 4 UPSs in my studio. By the way, UPS can go bad. Check it often so it's not empty when you need it :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Eden - Lawrence D. wrote: Listers, How does one check a UPS? Can't you just unplug it while everything is turned on, to simulate a power outage? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 06:28 AM 11/29/04 -0500, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote: How does one check a UPS? Sounds like a punchline's coming! If your UPS doesn't have a self-test, you can just unplug it with everything turned on (my unit's so-called self-test is exactly that). Make sure that the battery is working, that the software kicks in, and that it shuts the computer's operating system down properly. If you haven't installed the UPS software and you're using the unit only to give you a last few minutes of work, make sure that you actually get the time specified for the battery based on the load you have connected (in my case, the computer, the network, and the video monitor). Dennis On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Eric Dannewitz / 04.11.28 / 4:52AM wrote: What? What part of California are you talking about? In the Bay Area where I live we haven't had a power outage in over a year. Poor Californians. Living in Greater Boston for 17 years, I've had short power outages only 3 times! Yet I have 4 UPSs in my studio. By the way, UPS can go bad. Check it often so it's not empty when you need it :-) ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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In the spirit of Californians sticking together, thank you very much for the info I will check it out today. Thanks again, Dean On Nov 26, 2004, at 11:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: California (I note from you sig) is quite notorious for having flaky power (so is Hawaii, for what it's worth). If you don't have a UPS, I would strongly recommend getting one. They're getting to be quite inexpensive, and well worth the cost. Uhuh, Cal. is flaky in many ways, power being one. Yeah, I should look into this. When you say inexpensive, how much are you talking? Thanks again for the good info ... Hi Dean, This is the one I haveit is both a surge protector and line conditioner. (protects against both surges and dips) I was having logic board issues and I hired an electrician to rule out power problems from within my home...my home was fine and this box was working like a champ! http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process? Merchant_Id=Section_Id=76pcount=Product_Id=165162 Add it to the cart...type in 12345 where it says Redeem Coupon and see what happens :-) -Karen P.S. I'm in flakey shaky Cali! This box has been put to the test! -- ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Para mí, la música es la respiración de la vida y de Dios. Per me, la musica è l'alito della vita e di Dio Pour moi, la musique est le souffle de la vie et de Dieu. Für mich ist Musik der Atem des Lebens und des Gottes. Dean M. Estabrook Director of Music St. Andrew Presbyterian Church Yuba City, CA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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What? What part of California are you talking about? In the Bay Area where I live we haven't had a power outage in over a year. That being said, a UPS is a good investment regardless of rumors of flakey power. Dean M. Estabrook wrote: In the spirit of Californians sticking together, thank you very much for the info I will check it out today. Thanks again, Dean On Nov 26, 2004, at 11:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: California (I note from you sig) is quite notorious for having flaky power (so is Hawaii, for what it's worth). If you don't have a UPS, I would strongly recommend getting one. They're getting to be quite inexpensive, and well worth the cost. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Eric Dannewitz / 04.11.28 / 4:52AM wrote: What? What part of California are you talking about? In the Bay Area where I live we haven't had a power outage in over a year. Poor Californians. Living in Greater Boston for 17 years, I've had short power outages only 3 times! Yet I have 4 UPSs in my studio. By the way, UPS can go bad. Check it often so it's not empty when you need it :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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A-NO-NE Music wrote: Eric Dannewitz / 04.11.28 / 4:52AM wrote: What? What part of California are you talking about? In the Bay Area where I live we haven't had a power outage in over a year. Poor Californians. Living in Greater Boston for 17 years, I've had short power outages only 3 times! Yet I have 4 UPSs in my studio. By the way, UPS can go bad. Check it often so it's not empty when you need it :-) I keep a UPS, mostly in case my neighbors blow the master breaker (apartment living at its worst), or some bonehead knocks a power pole out with his car, but in nearly 50 years of living in California, I can recall precisely one power outage not caused by User Error. And we're still trying to get Enron to pay us back for that one. :( cd ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 08:15 AM 11/28/04 -0800, Carl Dershem wrote: I keep a UPS, mostly in case my neighbors blow the master breaker (apartment living at its worst), or some bonehead knocks a power pole out with his car, but in nearly 50 years of living in California, I can recall precisely one power outage not caused by User Error. You guys are lucky. We lose power about monthly for one reason or another, more often during the winter, and the UPS has really saved the day. Last year we were out for nearly 24 hours -- really rough as we lose our water pump. We have wood heat for backup and cooking, so as long as we have time to fill some jugs before the tank depressurizes, we're okay. No UPS to help for that, and we're not quite economically ready to put our house on a backup generator. And we're still trying to get Enron to pay us back for that one. :( [Sound of coffee meeting keyboard.] Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Before we beat this issue to death, what I meant by flaky power wasn't just power outages, but noisy power lines, brown outs, and other kinds of power sags (voltage too low) or surges (too high). Although the electric companies *say* you are getting 117 volts at your outlet, if you plug in a chart voltmeter, you may find that your milage may vary considerably. Although most modern equipment can compesate for this (somewhat), you will strain your computer. And, my memory is not perfect on this, but as I recall the Enron incident led to rolling blackouts. I believe it was in the news that many bay area companies were installing building UPS systems to protect their work. *sigh*. Anyway, $30 is not a bad investment, considering. At 08:15 AM 11/28/2004 -0800, Carl Dershem wrote: A-NO-NE Music wrote: Eric Dannewitz / 04.11.28 / 4:52AM wrote: What? What part of California are you talking about? In the Bay Area where I live we haven't had a power outage in over a year. Poor Californians. Living in Greater Boston for 17 years, I've had short power outages only 3 times! Yet I have 4 UPSs in my studio. By the way, UPS can go bad. Check it often so it's not empty when you need it :-) I keep a UPS, mostly in case my neighbors blow the master breaker (apartment living at its worst), or some bonehead knocks a power pole out with his car, but in nearly 50 years of living in California, I can recall precisely one power outage not caused by User Error. And we're still trying to get Enron to pay us back for that one. :( cd ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale - Bruce K. H. Kau[EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Aina Haina, Honolulu, Hawai'i Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning ... ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 08:15 AM 11/28/04 -0800, Carl Dershem wrote: I keep a UPS, mostly in case my neighbors blow the master breaker (apartment living at its worst), or some bonehead knocks a power pole out with his car, but in nearly 50 years of living in California, I can recall precisely one power outage not caused by User Error. You guys are lucky. We lose power about monthly for one reason or another, more often during the winter, and the UPS has really saved the day. Where are you at? Even on the farm when I was a kid (and used electricity only a few hours a day, except for the well head), we never lost power that often. Last year we were out for nearly 24 hours -- really rough as we lose our water pump. We have wood heat for backup and cooking, so as long as we have time to fill some jugs before the tank depressurizes, we're okay. That's not good. Do you at least make it a practice to keep water jugs filled in case of outage? And we're still trying to get Enron to pay us back for that one. :( [Sound of coffee meeting keyboard.] Hey - they caused the blackouts, and made lots of money off of them, but have refused to even consider repayment. cd ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Bruce K H Kau wrote: And, my memory is not perfect on this, but as I recall the Enron incident led to rolling blackouts. I believe it was in the news that many bay area companies were installing building UPS systems to protect their work. *sigh*. Anyway, $30 is not a bad investment, considering. We had some here (San Diego, CA), but my home was never affected, and my office (2 miles away) only once, for an hour. But my electric bill doubled during that period, and has never gone down since. cd ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 09:51 AM 11/28/04 -0800, Carl Dershem wrote: Where are you at? Even on the farm when I was a kid (and used electricity only a few hours a day, except for the well head), we never lost power that often. Central Vermont. We have a town power company that does a pretty good job, and it buys power from several sources. But it doesn't take too much to down lines or blow those big pole breakers, particularly in winter. Our outages last winter were from a cars taking down poles, ice breaking branches and downing lines, an exploded transformer (that was a sight!), on-pole breakers opening and needing replacement (that happened twice). There were a few scheduled maintenance outages, plus we have small glitches and dropouts pretty regularly during the summer (electrical storms anywhere in the area can glitch us) and spring ice melt. The calmest time is the fall. That's not good. Do you at least make it a practice to keep water jugs filled in case of outage? We have 5 gallons of bottled water on hand in case we're not home when the power goes down. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 1:06 PM -0500 11/28/04, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 09:51 AM 11/28/04 -0800, Carl Dershem wrote: Where are you at? Even on the farm when I was a kid (and used electricity only a few hours a day, except for the well head), we never lost power that often. Central Vermont. We have a town power company that does a pretty good job, and it buys power from several sources. But it doesn't take too much to down lines or blow those big pole breakers, particularly in winter. Our outages last winter were from a cars taking down poles, ice breaking branches and downing lines, an exploded transformer (that was a sight!), on-pole breakers opening and needing replacement (that happened twice). There were a few scheduled maintenance outages, plus we have small glitches and dropouts pretty regularly during the summer (electrical storms anywhere in the area can glitch us) and spring ice melt. The calmest time is the fall. I can confirm similar events in S.W. Virginia. We have a serious ice storm every year or two, that takes down branches and any trees that have gotten weak since the last time, and takes down any nearby power lines with them. We have hurricanes (although never as fiercely as the folks on the coastline) that do the same. Our neighborhood has underground power cables, but we're still at the mercy of the larger local power grid. And of course there are the squirels who self-immolate in the transformers. (I can't recall a case of a driver taking out a pole; around here they seem to be marginally smarter than the squirels!) And the electrical storms in spring and summer can be fierce. The automatic breakers often fix the problem within minutes, and our power company is pretty good about getting crews out quickly and fixing things reasonably soon, but storm-caused outages can cover large areas of geography, not all of it reasonably accessible here in the mountains. (For those in the West, translate mountains as hills. Sounds like your farm was in a rather protected part of the country! And is\t sounds as if I should look seriously into getting a UPS for the computer, besides the protected power strips I currently use. Where is this $30 model, and does it really do the job? John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Before we beat this issue to death, what I meant by flaky power wasn't just power outages, but noisy power lines, brown outs, and other kinds of power sags (voltage too low) or surges (too high). Although the electric companies *say* you are getting 117 volts at your outlet, if you plug in a chart voltmeter, you may find that your milage may vary considerably. Although most modern equipment can compesate for this (somewhat), you will strain your computer. Yup, this is true. This is why I have a UPS that also has a line conditioner built in. It protects against the things you mentioned above. Also, the one I bought has a USB port built into it so I can hook it up to my computer and monitor it .something Hiro very wisely mentioned. -K And, my memory is not perfect on this, but as I recall the Enron incident led to rolling blackouts. I believe it was in the news that many bay area companies were installing building UPS systems to protect their work. *sigh*. Anyway, $30 is not a bad investment, considering. At 08:15 AM 11/28/2004 -0800, Carl Dershem wrote: A-NO-NE Music wrote: Eric Dannewitz / 04.11.28 / 4:52AM wrote: What? What part of California are you talking about? In the Bay Area where I live we haven't had a power outage in over a year. Poor Californians. Living in Greater Boston for 17 years, I've had short power outages only 3 times! Yet I have 4 UPSs in my studio. By the way, UPS can go bad. Check it often so it's not empty when you need it :-) I keep a UPS, mostly in case my neighbors blow the master breaker (apartment living at its worst), or some bonehead knocks a power pole out with his car, but in nearly 50 years of living in California, I can recall precisely one power outage not caused by User Error. And we're still trying to get Enron to pay us back for that one. :( cd ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale - Bruce K. H. Kau[EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Aina Haina, Honolulu, Hawai'i Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning ... ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Thanks for the reply ... On Nov 24, 2004, at 2:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean, How far is the lamp from your monitor? Very close ... perhaps 2 feet. One possibility for the quiver is that the lamp's transformer (if it uses one) could be producing a large electric field which would affect your screen. I've noticed a similar situation where someone placed his computer on the opposite side of the wall from a refrigerator - huge electromagnetic fields there - everytime the compressor came on, his screen would squiggle like crazy. Yeah, I think that's what is going on. I know that when the lamp is off, the screen is fine. By the way, I would generally not plug in anything else into your computer's power strip except your computer and monitor, since they would be electrically closer to your computer and any goofiness of any of the other items on the power strip could affect your computer. In particular, I would be careful about plugging printers into the same power strip. I would put the computer on a UPS and ONLY the computer and the monitor (or related equipment, such as an external disk drive). Printers have extremely variable loads, and should not be plugged into a UPS. Hmmm, this is good info ... I had not considered this before. It would depend quite a bit on your computer why it would shut down mysteriously on you. Another factor (assuming it is external, since we can't really rule out a computer problem), is bad power from your electric company. If you have a brownout and your circuit is heavily loaded, voltage could drop quite low (below 90 volts is not uncommon) and your computer's power supply could shut down. It could have been a drop in power, but no other appliance in the house showed any difference ...lamps, etc., so that doesn't seem likely. The weird thing is, the computer has operated flawlessly before and since. So far, a mystery. California (I note from you sig) is quite notorious for having flaky power (so is Hawaii, for what it's worth). If you don't have a UPS, I would strongly recommend getting one. They're getting to be quite inexpensive, and well worth the cost. Uhuh, Cal. is flaky in many ways, power being one. Yeah, I should look into this. When you say inexpensive, how much are you talking? Thanks again for the good info ... Dean Bruce - Original Message - From: Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 7:43 am Subject: [Finale] Fear OT Ok, this is interesting. I just turned off a flouresent (sp) desk lamp plugged into the same power strip as my computer, and the screen quiver stopped. That doesn't explain why it shut down on it's own last night, but the lamp connection is obvious. Hm. Dean Para mí, la música es la respiración de la vida y de Dios. Per me, la musica è l'alito della vita e di Dio Pour moi, la musique est le souffle de la vie et de Dieu. Für mich ist Musik der Atem des Lebens und des Gottes. Dean M. Estabrook Director of Music St. Andrew Presbyterian Church Yuba City, CA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Para mí, la música es la respiración de la vida y de Dios. Per me, la musica è l'alito della vita e di Dio Pour moi, la musique est le souffle de la vie et de Dieu. Für mich ist Musik der Atem des Lebens und des Gottes. Dean M. Estabrook Director of Music St. Andrew Presbyterian Church Yuba City, CA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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California (I note from you sig) is quite notorious for having flaky power (so is Hawaii, for what it's worth). If you don't have a UPS, I would strongly recommend getting one. They're getting to be quite inexpensive, and well worth the cost. Uhuh, Cal. is flaky in many ways, power being one. Yeah, I should look into this. When you say inexpensive, how much are you talking? Thanks again for the good info ... Hi Dean, This is the one I haveit is both a surge protector and line conditioner. (protects against both surges and dips) I was having logic board issues and I hired an electrician to rule out power problems from within my home...my home was fine and this box was working like a champ! http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=Section_Id=76pcount=Product_Id=165162 Add it to the cart...type in 12345 where it says Redeem Coupon and see what happens :-) -Karen P.S. I'm in flakey shaky Cali! This box has been put to the test! -- ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Dean, How far is the lamp from your monitor? One possibility for the quiver is that the lamp's transformer (if it uses one) could be producing a large electric field which would affect your screen. I've noticed a similar situation where someone placed his computer on the opposite side of the wall from a refrigerator - huge electromagnetic fields there - everytime the compressor came on, his screen would squiggle like crazy. By the way, I would generally not plug in anything else into your computer's power strip except your computer and monitor, since they would be electrically closer to your computer and any goofiness of any of the other items on the power strip could affect your computer. In particular, I would be careful about plugging printers into the same power strip. I would put the computer on a UPS and ONLY the computer and the monitor (or related equipment, such as an external disk drive). Printers have extremely variable loads, and should not be plugged into a UPS. It would depend quite a bit on your computer why it would shut down mysteriously on you. Another factor (assuming it is external, since we can't really rule out a computer problem), is bad power from your electric company. If you have a brownout and your circuit is heavily loaded, voltage could drop quite low (below 90 volts is not uncommon) and your computer's power supply could shut down. California (I note from you sig) is quite notorious for having flaky power (so is Hawaii, for what it's worth). If you don't have a UPS, I would strongly recommend getting one. They're getting to be quite inexpensive, and well worth the cost. Bruce - Original Message - From: Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 7:43 am Subject: [Finale] Fear OT Ok, this is interesting. I just turned off a flouresent (sp) desk lamp plugged into the same power strip as my computer, and the screen quiver stopped. That doesn't explain why it shut down on it's own last night, but the lamp connection is obvious. Hm. Dean Para mí, la música es la respiración de la vida y de Dios. Per me, la musica è l'alito della vita e di Dio Pour moi, la musique est le souffle de la vie et de Dieu. Für mich ist Musik der Atem des Lebens und des Gottes. Dean M. Estabrook Director of Music St. Andrew Presbyterian Church Yuba City, CA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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In a message dated 24/11/2004 22:07:39 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you don't have a UPS, I would strongly recommend getting one. They're getting to be quite inexpensive, and well worth the cost. What's a UPS in words? ATB L "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 24/11/2004 22:07:39 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you don't have a UPS, I would strongly recommend getting one. They're getting to be quite inexpensive, and well worth the cost. What's a UPS in words? Uninterruptible Power Supply -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:21:02 -0500, dhbailey wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a UPS in words? Uninterruptible Power Supply A bit more explanation is that it's sort of a surge protector with a high-capacity battery inside. If the power is interrupted for any reason, the battery takes over so you can finish and save your work before power is completely gone. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
