Re: [Finale] Finale Unicode support; UTM; ACME
On 2010/07/27, at 17:14, dhbailey wrote: Unless it's one of those we almost had it in time for the initial release but missed it by that much (insert Maxwell Smart hand gesture) and they'll bring it out in the amazing Finale2011a or b release, soon to be announced. :-) Finale to UTF-8 compliant means they must rewrite the db engine from the ground up, in my guesses. It's a huge deal. Most of the software industry moved onto UTF-8 around year 2000. Finale missed the boat. DOS never made it. If I remember correctly, NT was designed to UTF-8 compliant but data passing wasn't even 100% working when Win2K (NT5) came out. I think XP (NT6) was still using M$CP (Microsoft propriety code page), instead of Unicode, to print to GUI. I am curious if NT7 is finally printing to GUI in Unicode like Mac/Linux/Unix does. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Unicode support; UTM; ACME
Since Finale 2011 was just released and does not support Unicode, it would appear the earliest conceivable version of Finale that could possibly offer that support would be Finale 2012. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 27 Jul 2010, at 4:18 PM, jclev...@aol.com jclev...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/27/2010 10:00:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _jphill...@makemusic.com_ (mailto:jphill...@makemusic.com) writes: That was a change for easier full staff selection when dragging staves... Speaking of which (smile), can anybody here, or a MakeMusic rep monitoring this list, let me know (privately if you prefer) when or if Finale will make the big (and, I understand, difficult) leap to Unicode? Unless that happens soon, we'll have to change over production for our forthcoming college music theory textbook, Understanding Tonal Music, to Sibelius, which accommodates Unicode now. The TrueType versions of our ChordSymbol and JazzSymbol fonts afford distinct improvements over existing options in Finale, but with the native Unicode fonts, usable only in Sibelius, the time savings are enormous. This will greatly disadvantage Finale, since tens of thousands of music students a year will use Sibelius instead of Finale to complete their nightly homework assignments. Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings, established by my colleague Benjamin Ayotte with my help, will also be forced to switch over to Sibelius. We'd both rather stay with Finale, but Unicode entry for chord symbols using our fonts is so hugely advantageous that we'll have little choice. For lead sheets, by the way, Benjamin will help me develop a handwritten version of JazzSymbol, which I understand many jazzers want. So that will be forthcoming sooner rather than later (probably sometime this fall), based on scans of chord symbol calligraphy we will, most likely, commission. JazzHand, or whatever we'll call it, will feature the same mapping as JazzSymbol, representing a decided improvement over the existing handwritten chord symbol fonts. MakeMusic, if you're listening, we'd rather work with you than Avid/Sibelius. If you can accommodate our fonts specifically in your Unicode-based chord symbol engineering, Finale will have a clear edge in ChordSymbol entry, even beating out your newest competitor, Noteflight, in that regard. We'd be delighted to help; just let us know. Thanks much. Best, jrc Dr. John R. Clevenger, Manager The Virtual Conservatory 50 S. Patterson Ave., #203 Santa Barbara, CA 93111 Phone and fax: (805) 964-7988 (for fax, ignore answering machine) Email: _jclev...@aol.com_ (mailto:jclev...@aol.com) Web site: _www.virtualconservatory.com_ (http://www.virtualconservatory.com/) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Unicode support; UTM; ACME
Unless it's one of those we almost had it in time for the initial release but missed it by that much (insert Maxwell Smart hand gesture) and they'll bring it out in the amazing Finale2011a or b release, soon to be announced. :-) David H. Bailey Darcy James Argue wrote: Since Finale 2011 was just released and does not support Unicode, it would appear the earliest conceivable version of Finale that could possibly offer that support would be Finale 2012. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 27 Jul 2010, at 4:18 PM, jclev...@aol.com jclev...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/27/2010 10:00:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _jphill...@makemusic.com_ (mailto:jphill...@makemusic.com) writes: That was a change for easier full staff selection when dragging staves... Speaking of which (smile), can anybody here, or a MakeMusic rep monitoring this list, let me know (privately if you prefer) when or if Finale will make the big (and, I understand, difficult) leap to Unicode? Unless that happens soon, we'll have to change over production for our forthcoming college music theory textbook, Understanding Tonal Music, to Sibelius, which accommodates Unicode now. The TrueType versions of our ChordSymbol and JazzSymbol fonts afford distinct improvements over existing options in Finale, but with the native Unicode fonts, usable only in Sibelius, the time savings are enormous. This will greatly disadvantage Finale, since tens of thousands of music students a year will use Sibelius instead of Finale to complete their nightly homework assignments. Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings, established by my colleague Benjamin Ayotte with my help, will also be forced to switch over to Sibelius. We'd both rather stay with Finale, but Unicode entry for chord symbols using our fonts is so hugely advantageous that we'll have little choice. For lead sheets, by the way, Benjamin will help me develop a handwritten version of JazzSymbol, which I understand many jazzers want. So that will be forthcoming sooner rather than later (probably sometime this fall), based on scans of chord symbol calligraphy we will, most likely, commission. JazzHand, or whatever we'll call it, will feature the same mapping as JazzSymbol, representing a decided improvement over the existing handwritten chord symbol fonts. MakeMusic, if you're listening, we'd rather work with you than Avid/Sibelius. If you can accommodate our fonts specifically in your Unicode-based chord symbol engineering, Finale will have a clear edge in ChordSymbol entry, even beating out your newest competitor, Noteflight, in that regard. We'd be delighted to help; just let us know. Thanks much. Best, jrc Dr. John R. Clevenger, Manager The Virtual Conservatory 50 S. Patterson Ave., #203 Santa Barbara, CA 93111 Phone and fax: (805) 964-7988 (for fax, ignore answering machine) Email: _jclev...@aol.com_ (mailto:jclev...@aol.com) Web site: _www.virtualconservatory.com_ (http://www.virtualconservatory.com/) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Unicode support; UTM; ACME
Somehow I doubt that. It would be like MakeMusic fixing all those long standing bugs. And, it would be a lost bullet pointI mean feature for Finale 2012 along with all the things that they will fix and rebrand as a new feature. I sometimes wonder about what goes on there. I think they need to do what Apple did with 10.6 and just focus on streamlining their product, making it 64 bit, trimming out the legacy code, Unicode, etc, etc. Just make it work better. On Jul 27, 2010, at 2:14 PM, dhbailey wrote: Unless it's one of those we almost had it in time for the initial release but missed it by that much (insert Maxwell Smart hand gesture) and they'll bring it out in the amazing Finale2011a or b release, soon to be announced. :-) David H. Bailey NOT Sent from my iSomething ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
