[Fink-devel] ld option to supress multiple definitions (from apple's list)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 should we maybe start to use this in our package's LDFLAGS? It might make finding real errors easier, especially with packages like xfree, where I get a *lot* of these warnings. I had wondered if there was an option like this, and now I found it:-) Begin forwarded message: From: Matt Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ld option to supress multiple definitions? On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 09:04 PM, Wade Williams wrote: There's a -undefined suppress option for ld, but no -multiplydefined suppress option that I could find. You want -multiply_defined suppress. man ld: -multiply_defined treatment Specifies how multiply defined symbols in dynamic libraries when -twolevel_namespace is in effect are to be treated. treatment can be: error, warning, or suppress. Which cause the treatment of multiply defined symbols in dynamic libraries as either, errors, warnings, or suppresses the checking of multiply symbols from dynamic libraries when -twolevel_namespace is in effect. The default is to treat multiply defined symbols in dynamic libraries as warnings when -twolevel_namespace is in effect. - -chris zubrzycki - - -- PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt ID: 0xA2ABC070 Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 Remember: it's a Microsoft virus, not an email virus, a Microsoft worm, not a computer worm. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xVHm+/mCMqKrwHARAqaoAKCRZpRtTkFnozvaSr825yhE7MWVXwCgnY6d rUIDiM8BbRkDN/jQIoGZwq8= =rTow -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: First SplitOff package
Hi Jeremy. The line Replaces: %n ( 1.2.2-2) isn't actually needed, because a package is always free to Replace earlier versions of itself. Also, you should probably move Depends: gnome-libs, gtkmm (= 1.2.8) into the shlibs package. The reasoning is this: a user might uninstall the main package but keep the shlibs package, and your dependencies probably would still be needed. In general, BuildDepends goes in the main package, Depends goes in the shlibs package. Last comment: if you could add BuildDependsOnly: True to the main package, that will make life easier later. (This doesn't do anything yet, but later, there will be checking as to whether a package is accidentally Depending on something that it shouldn't.) -- Dave Update of /cvsroot/fink/shared-libraries/splitoff In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv7138 Added Files: gnomemm-1.2.2-2.info gnomemm-1.2.2-2.patch Log Message: First SplitOff package... If anyone could verify that it's the correct format/files, that would be great! --- NEW FILE: gnomemm-1.2.2-2.info --- Package: gnomemm Version: 1.2.2 Revision: 2 Maintainer: Jeremy Higgs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Depends: gnome-libs, gtkmm (= 1.2.8), %n-shlibs (= %v-%r) Replaces: %n ( 1.2.2-2) Source: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gtkmm/%n-%v.tar.gz Patch: %f.patch UpdateLibtoolInDirs: scripts SetCPPFLAGS: -no-cpp-precomp ConfigureParams: --mandir=%p/share/man InstallScript: make install DESTDIR=%d SplitOff: Package: %N-shlibs Replaces: %N ( 1.2.2-2) Files: lib/libgnomemm-1.2.9*.dylib DocFiles: AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog NEWS README TODO DocFiles: AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog NEWS README TODO Description: C++ interface for the GNOME libraries DescDetail: gnomemm is a set of C++ bindings for the GNOME libraries that provide additional functionality above GTK+ and gtkmm. License: GPL Homepage: http://gtkmm.sourceforge.net/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] parallel downloads...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How hard would it be to add code to perform x number of downloads at once, where x is set in the config field? just wondering, for people who have fast connections. (would it be too hard to do for a perl beginner?) - -chris zubrzycki - - -- PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt ID: 0xA2ABC070 Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 Twice blessed is help unlooked for. --Tolkien -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xWUY+/mCMqKrwHARAjYmAJ4wIwTaTckP/DAhmwUwQFAGzviRJwCaAhVP DID+ht981MWR4W1B9wyyREA= =4Jko -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Is abiword still maintained ?
Well, 1.0 has been released :-) April 19th 2002 seems to have been the release date. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=15518release_id=25198 Peter On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 04:12 AM, Jeff Whitaker wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jin Zhao wrote: Abiword is close to it's 1.0 release now. Took a look at fink and found it not updated for a pretty long time. Is abiword still maintained as a Fink project? Why no updates for such a long time, ie we are waiting for a native OSX port or the abiword 1.0 release? Just haven't had the time and probably won't be sufficiently motivated to find the time until a 1.0 release. -Jeff -- Jeffrey S. Whitaker Phone : (303)497-6313 Meteorologist FAX: (303)497-6449 NOAA/OAR/CDC R/CDC1Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 325 BroadwayWeb: www.cdc.noaa.gov/~jsw Boulder, CO, USA 80303-3328 Office : Skaggs Research Cntr 1D-124 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] more splitoffs
I have made another group of splitoff packages for the shared libraries project, deposited into the shared-libraries/splitoff module. I will be moving these to the unstable tree after I have added the appropriate BuildDepends entries to other packages, to make sure nothing breaks. It might take a while. The new packages are: fnlib-0.5-3.info freetype-1.3.1-5.info freetype-hinting-1.3.1-4.info giflib-4.1.0-3.info gimp-1.2.3-5.info imagemagick-5.4.1-4.info imagemagick-5.4.4-2.info imagemagick-nox-5.4.4-2.info imlib-1.9.10-6.info libungif-4.1.0b1-3.info netpbm-9.24-4.info There are also a few packages where dependencies needed to be adjusted because of these splitoffs; they are: enlightenment-0.16.5-7.info gdal-1.1.5-4.info windowmaker-0.80.0-4.info -- Dave ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] ld option to supress multiple definitions (from apple's list)
On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 06:21 AM, Chris Zubrzycki wrote: should we maybe start to use this in our package's LDFLAGS? It might make finding real errors easier, especially with packages like xfree, where I get a *lot* of these warnings. I had wondered if there was an option like this, and now I found it:-) Would it be better to use the two-level namespace support of ld instead of fighting against it? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just would like to know the best way of handling linker issues. It seems to me that the use of -flat_namespace just raises the need for a bunch of other flags like -undefined suppress and -multiply_defined suppress. I'm concerned about all the `suppress' options hiding problems that really ought to be fixed properly. -- Eric Norum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Electrical Engineering University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon, Canada. Phone: (306) 966-5394 FAX: (306) 966-5407 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] ld option to supress multiple definitions (from apple's list)
as far as I'm concerned if you can compile it, and run it why worry about the warnings. I think it would be better to try and keep as close as the author intended it to be. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would it be better to use the two-level namespace support of ld instead of fighting against it? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just would like to know the best way of handling linker issues. It seems to me that the use of -flat_namespace just raises the need for a bunch of other flags like -undefined suppress and -multiply_defined suppress. I'm concerned about all the `suppress' options hiding problems that really ought to be fixed properly. ¸.·´^`·.,][JFH][`·.,¸¸.·´][JFH][¸.·´^`·., Justin F. Hallett - Systems Analyst Phone: (780)-408-3094 Fax: (780)-454-3200 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .·´^`·.,][JFH][`·.,¸¸.·´][JFH][¸.·´^`·., ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] ld option to supress multiple definitions (fromapple's list)
At 8:39 Uhr -0600 23.04.2002, Eric Norum wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 06:21 AM, Chris Zubrzycki wrote: should we maybe start to use this in our package's LDFLAGS? It might make finding real errors easier, especially with packages like xfree, where I get a *lot* of these warnings. I had wondered if there was an option like this, and now I found it:-) Would it be better to use the two-level namespace support of ld instead of fighting against it? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just would like to know the best way of handling linker issues. It seems to me that the use of -flat_namespace just raises the need for a bunch of other flags like -undefined suppress and -multiply_defined suppress. I'm concerned about all the `suppress' options hiding problems that really ought to be fixed properly. Well, if a package you work on actually works with two level namespaces, you are free to use it. But many many mayn things do not work with two level namespaces and probably never will (unless somebody invests a lot of time into the specific application). For example if you have applications that have plugins as loadable modules. The modules need to access symbols from the application. If you compile it all with two level namespaces, this ain't work, at least AFAIK. If there is some neat, simple way to get this working, I'd be happy to know about it, though! Never to late to learn a new trick :-) Max -- --- Max Horn Software Developer email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (+49) 6151-494890 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] parallel downloads...
At 9:43 Uhr -0400 23.04.2002, Chris Zubrzycki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How hard would it be to add code to perform x number of downloads at once, where x is set in the config field? just wondering, for people who have fast connections. First, you would have to do multiple process (forks). Then you have to manage those somehow. Now what do you do if one of the downloads fails - ok the process has to interact with the user. Now another fails. Doh. OK, maybe you can add a manager process which will first handle the one then the other. Now, what if the user aborts one of the downloads. Do the others continue or are they aborted also? You have to differentiate between being called as part of fink fetch-all or fink fetch-missing, and the case where you are called as part of fink build etc. Then, what if two packages try to download the same files (this does actually happen for some packages). So of course you have to handle that as well. Etc. etc. What I want to say with this is not that it's impossible, just not that trivial as you might think at the first glance. I didn't even think about this long (I just started writing the reply by writing what came to my head, so I am certain there are other issues left I didn't even think about). So you first would need to determine what it is actually you want to do (i.e. find answers for my questions above). Once you did this (the hard part), you can think about how to implement it. (would it be too hard to do for a perl beginner?) Depends on what the beginner knows? I.e. I don't view it as language problem, rather a design issue. Max -- --- Max Horn Software Developer email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (+49) 6151-494890 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] parallel downloads...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I see what you mean. on a similer note, would it be difficult to make a command- fink downloadinfo packages, or fink install --downloadinfo packages, which would go through the beginning of the install process, calculated missing dependencies, and output the correct wget/curl/insert method here/ to stdout? then it could be routed to a text file and used on a computer that has high bandwith. On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 11:45 AM, Max Horn wrote: At 9:43 Uhr -0400 23.04.2002, Chris Zubrzycki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How hard would it be to add code to perform x number of downloads at once, where x is set in the config field? just wondering, for people who have fast connections. First, you would have to do multiple process (forks). Then you have to manage those somehow. Now what do you do if one of the downloads fails - ok the process has to interact with the user. Now another fails. Doh. OK, maybe you can add a manager process which will first handle the one then the other. Now, what if the user aborts one of the downloads. Do the others continue or are they aborted also? You have to differentiate between being called as part of fink fetch-all or fink fetch-missing, and the case where you are called as part of fink build etc. Then, what if two packages try to download the same files (this does actually happen for some packages). So of course you have to handle that as well. Etc. etc. What I want to say with this is not that it's impossible, just not that trivial as you might think at the first glance. I didn't even think about this long (I just started writing the reply by writing what came to my head, so I am certain there are other issues left I didn't even think about). So you first would need to determine what it is actually you want to do (i.e. find answers for my questions above). Once you did this (the hard part), you can think about how to implement it. (would it be too hard to do for a perl beginner?) Depends on what the beginner knows? I.e. I don't view it as language problem, rather a design issue. Max -- --- Max Horn Software Developer email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (+49) 6151-494890 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel - -chris zubrzycki - - -- PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt ID: 0xA2ABC070 Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 Security Is A Series Of Well-Defined Steps... chmod -R 0 / ; and smile :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xYVw+/mCMqKrwHARAkI7AJ9xf6Eosj5IpO/FTSLY2YWnPDx99wCgiE7e KriSvk6/i+rg1Ed548vNu98= =J2XQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] parallel downloads...
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Max Horn wrote: At 9:43 Uhr -0400 23.04.2002, Chris Zubrzycki wrote: How hard would it be to add code to perform x number of downloads at once, where x is set in the config field? just wondering, for people who have fast connections. First, you would have to do multiple process (forks). Then you have to manage those somehow. Basically, re-implement a kinda backwards Apache, except instead of serving multiple parallel URLs, you're grabbing them. Max's points about the complexity of implementing this are all valid. I'll just add that, in addition to that complexity/overhead/debugging that this would involve, it's also not clear that it would save much time. Even given that the design issues are thought through properly implemented, I think the best case scenario (assuming that computational time of running all this is effectively zero we're bound instead by bandwidth) is that it takes exactly the same amount of time to download everything. Think about it: instead of four consequitive downloads that take (making up figures here) ten seconds each, you have four simultaneous downloads that take forty seconds each, because they're still sharing the same constrained bandwidth. You only stand to gain if this scheme can take advantage of different access paths (a second NIC or modem or something) or if the bottleneck is the remote server, and not your connection. Sometimes the latter is the case -- I think we all seem to be having a slow time getting downloads from Sourceforge's site, for example. But in most cases I don't think there's going to be enough gain from parallelizing to justify all the work it'll take to get it to work reliably. Too bad though. It's a cool idea, and I'd like to be proven wrong about my guesses about how the download times will work :) -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED] Apache / mod_perl / http://homepage.mac.com/chdevers/resume/ More war soon. You know how it is.-- mnftiu.cc ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] parallel downloads...
At 12:03 PM -0400 2002/04/23, Chris Devers wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Max Horn wrote: At 9:43 Uhr -0400 23.04.2002, Chris Zubrzycki wrote: How hard would it be to add code to perform x number of downloads at once, where x is set in the config field? just wondering, for people who have fast connections. First, you would have to do multiple process (forks). Then you have to manage those somehow. Basically, re-implement a kinda backwards Apache, except instead of serving multiple parallel URLs, you're grabbing them. Max's points about the complexity of implementing this are all valid. I'll just add that, in addition to that complexity/overhead/debugging that this would involve, it's also not clear that it would save much time. Even given that the design issues are thought through properly implemented, I think the best case scenario (assuming that computational time of running all this is effectively zero we're bound instead by bandwidth) is that it takes exactly the same amount of time to download everything. That's not true. As you say below, the best case is if your local pipe can handle all downloads simultaneously, at the max speed the far-end servers can provide them. You could get 5 quick files, all simultaneous with getting a single 'slow' file. I know my download speeds are rarely the speed of my DSL line, but I can often run 4 simultaneously without visibly affecting download speed. The ideal implementation would be to use multidownload capabilities in curl or wget. You'd feed curl a bunch of URLs, and it would return when they were all fetched, or failed. Unfortunately, fink's needs are more complicated than they're likely to provide, since we'd need to provide alternates for each target. A simple alternative would be for fink to start 6 child threads, each of which starts curl download. The parent would just sleep until the children all returned, then restarted at the beginning of the download process, and discover that all or most of the packages aren't present. After the first attempt, fink could run in the current single-download try/fail/retry-alternate mode, getting human input for which alternatives to try. It's not very elegant, but this is deliberately a much simpler approach than building all the intelligence we could take advantage of, in terms of alternatives and user interaction. Think about it: instead of four consequitive downloads that take (making up figures here) ten seconds each, you have four simultaneous downloads that take forty seconds each, because they're still sharing the same constrained bandwidth. You only stand to gain if this scheme can take advantage of different access paths (a second NIC or modem or something) or if the bottleneck is the remote server, and not your connection. Sometimes the latter is the case -- I think we all seem to be having a slow time getting downloads from Sourceforge's site, for example. But in most cases I don't think there's going to be enough gain from parallelizing to justify all the work it'll take to get it to work reliably. Chris Pepper -- Chris Pepper: http://www.reppep.com/~pepper/ Rockefeller University: http://www.rockefeller.edu/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] parallel downloads
Max Horn wrote: How hard would it be to add code to perform x number of downloads at once, where x is set in the config field? just wondering, for people who have fast connections. First, you would have to do multiple process (forks). Then you have to manage those somehow. Now what do you do if one of the downloads fails - ok the process has to interact with the user. Now another fails. Doh. OK, maybe you can add a manager process which will first handle the one then the other. Now, what if the user aborts one of the downloads. Do the others continue or are they aborted also? You have to differentiate between being called as part of fink fetch-all or fink fetch-missing, and the case where you are called as part of fink build etc. Then, what if two packages try to download the same files (this does actually happen for some packages). So of course you have to handle that as well. I believe that apt-get (or at least dselect) has code to deal with parallel downloads. At least, I noticed parallel downloads happening when I installed Debian Linux. So if you understand C/C++, it might be a good idea to see how they deal with these issues. I don't know much perl, but I could help you figure out what apt-get is doing if you're not familiar with C/C++. Toodle pip, Dave Vasilevsky ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] node for automake already exists, found.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have seen this error and have had it myself before. I finally tracked it down. I was going through the packages and wanted to give some a try, but got the infamous fink Failed: Internal error: node for automake already exists error. I added packages a few at a time until I narrowed it down to two. mjpegtools and xcircuit cannot be installed at the same time, ie. in the same install command. xcircuit has BuildDepends: m4, automake ( 1.5-1), and mjpegtools BuildDepends: automake (= 1.5-1). On a side note, why the double ? i thought it was only 1 . Is it that hard to make xcircuit play nice with the latest automake? Just thought I'd let everyone know. - -chris zubrzycki - - -- PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt ID: 0xA2ABC070 Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xfNI+/mCMqKrwHARApXrAJ9YToIfn2LlSRwxuYnD4O+l/OM0YgCgwzsT qi7HlkeLfzsWkNoDqaD+uw8= =o61+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] node for automake already exists, found.
Great! Now maybe this can be fixed. (By the way, the syntax is = = = , and it's what we got from dpkg. What's confusing is that == is NOT part of this.) -- Dave ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] node for automake already exists, found.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was thinking for build depends anyway, maybe fink could irritate itself and build the stuff that needs alder whatever, and then the newer, or for certain packages, it could build/install itself, and then revery back to the newer version, if that is what you had installed, ex: i have automake 1.6-2. fink could build everything but what needs the older automake. then it would call itself and build older automake, install it, build/install package, and then put my automake 1.6-2 back. complex, yes, but nearly invisable to the user. On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 08:01 PM, David R. Morrison wrote: Great! Now maybe this can be fixed. (By the way, the syntax is = = = , and it's what we got from dpkg. What's confusing is that == is NOT part of this.) true. - -chris zubrzycki - - -- PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt ID: 0xA2ABC070 Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 Twice blessed is help unlooked for. --Tolkien -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xfpV+/mCMqKrwHARAvc1AKCLErHp8EmgM2vLTa03mlwOew0nsACguE9a coHA8Cd0GMUm7T7bVInt3sc= =hJS7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
