[Fink-devel] fink building state

2002-02-21 Thread Jeff Henrikson

Hi, I am also trying to port evolution right now.  I have about 380 of the 500 files 
compiled/linked.  My edits are really nasty
for the time being so don't ask for a patch.

Currently I am distracted elsewhere.  Right now I need gal 0.19 to continue, and I am 
trying to use the patch for 0.18 to compile
0.19.  Upon superficial examination this breaks.  But actually something else is going 
wrong.  The following are all true
statements:

- fink rebuild gal successfully builds 0.18-1
- manually unpacking the same 0.18-1 tarball and applying apparently the same patch, 
setting CPPFLAGS=-no-cpp-precomp and
passing --prefix=/sw/lib to configure, the build breaks in the same way as if 0.19 
sources are used:

libtool . . . -o e-completion-test . . .
/usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbos:
_e_black
_e_white

- setting identical environment variables as those during the fink build (ehm, never 
mind how I got those) does not correct the
behavior


Obviously there is some state I am not thinking about that is different during the 
fink rebuild and my own rebuild.  Any ventures
as to what this might be?


Jeff Henrikson



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Re: [Fink-devel] Perl Packages & Diff usage

2002-02-21 Thread Kyle Moffett

I was unable to get Apple's mod_perl to do anything at all, it just kept 
crashing.

Also, I am confused as to exactly what Apache::Request is, and where it 
is found, because all these work (and I've never installed a specific 
Apache::Request):

[localhost:~] kyle% perl -MApache::Request -e '1'
[localhost:~] kyle% perl -e 'use Apache::Request ()'
[localhost:~] kyle% perldoc Apache::Request

NAME
Apache::Request - Methods for dealing with client request
data

SYNOPSIS
use Apache::Request ();
my $apr = Apache::Request->new($r);


DESCRIPTION
Apache::Request is a subclass of the Apache class, which
adds methods for parsing GET requests and POST requests
where Content-type is one of application/x-www-form-
urlencoded or multipart/form-data. See the libapreq(3)
manpage for more details.
[...]

>
> On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 08:49 PM, Kyle Moffett wrote:
>> Therefore:  The instability in Apache::Request (A part of mod_perl) 
>> may be due to the fact that mod_perl was unstable itself in the .so lib
>
> I wouldn't say so.  I've had mod_perl working for a very long time, but 
> Apache::Request is a tougher nut to crack.  I didn't play around very 
> much with the Apple-distributed mod_perl, so I'm not sure how stable it 
> was, but I didn't have any problems with mod_perls I built myself.

I don't know about custom-built dynamic ones, I just rebuilt my mod_perl 
static and this worked well.

> Also, Apache::Request isn't really a part of mod_perl - it's not part 
> of the base installation, it comes separately on CPAN.

It was installed as part of the mod_perl package I got at 
http://perl.apache.org/dist/mod_perl-1.26.tar.gz (It may be different 
from the one at CPAN)

> Would it be worth creating a mod_perl fink package?  It shouldn't be 
> too difficult, except that there are a lot of different ways to build 
> it and I guess we'd have to choose one.

Yes it would, Apple mod_perl is impossible to use (unstable), so a Fink 
one would really make things easier.

Kyle Moffett


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Re: [Fink-devel] fink building state

2002-02-21 Thread David R. Morrison

"Jeff Henrikson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]
> Right now I need gal 0.19 to continue, and I am trying to use the patch for 0.18 to 
>compile
> 0.19.  Upon superficial examination this breaks.  


The latest package for gal, in the unstable tree available by 
fink selfupdate-cvs, is gal 0.19.  The maintainer has now split the
package into two pieces, in fact, gal and gal-shlibs, to make subsequent
upgrades to later versions of gal much easier.

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Re: [Fink-devel] RE: [Fink-beginners] Does gnumeric work ...?

2002-02-21 Thread Max Horn

At 15:30 Uhr + 20.02.2002, Finlay Dobbie wrote:
>On Wednesday, February 20, 2002, at 09:41 AM, Jeremy Higgs wrote:
>
>>You could SSH into shell.sourceforge.net, with your SF ID and password, and
>>do it from there. :)
>
>If you can SSH then why not just set CVS_RSH to ssh and use that? 
>I'm guessing he can't ssh.

Exactly. Web, Email, FTP, that's it.


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Re: [Fink-devel] possible readline/ncurses problem

2002-02-21 Thread Max Horn

At 13:00 Uhr -0500 20.02.2002, Dave Vasilevsky wrote:
>Martin Costabel wrote:
>>I suppose Dave has libxpg4 installed. It has this effect.
>>libxpg4 sets the environment variable DYLD_FORCE_FLAT_NAMESPACE, which
>>will break any binary that is compiled with twolevel_namespace (the
>>default) and has multiply defined symbols. I'd expect there are many
>>more binaries concerned.
>
>Yes, I did have libxpg4 installed, and I can verify that removing it 
>worked. I believe Fink's version of cvs also has/had this problem 
>with libxpg4, I don't have it installed now so I can't verify.
>
>I suggest that packages that are susceptible to this bug should add 
>libxpg4 as a conflict. Longer-term, it would make sense to build 
>them with a flat namespace if possible, or if not to wrap the 
>binaries with a shell script that unsets DYLD_FORCE_FLAT_NAMESPACE 
>and removes /sw/lib/xpg4/libxpg4.dylib from DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES.

I don't like this at all! Building with a flat namespace can cause a 
lot of other problems.

The only "solution" long term is for Apple to finally implement the 
locale support. I heared that this is now in Darwin CVS, but I am not 
sure when we'll see it.

Hm, I installed 10.1.3 yesterday, and right now I am not getting any 
"locale not supported" messages. Could it be... :-) I rememebr that 
pan, gabber, xchat gave me such message, but none does currently. Can 
anybody confirm/deny this, or can anybody tell me a package that is 
still causing these messages?



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Re: [Fink-devel] Perl Packages & Diff usage

2002-02-21 Thread Randal L. Schwartz

> "Kyle" == Kyle Moffett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Kyle> Also, I am confused as to exactly what Apache::Request is, and where
Kyle> it is found, because all these work (and I've never installed a
Kyle> specific Apache::Request):

Kyle> [localhost:~] kyle% perl -MApache::Request -e '1'
Kyle> [localhost:~] kyle% perl -e 'use Apache::Request ()'
Kyle> [localhost:~] kyle% perldoc Apache::Request

The problem is that both Apache::Request and Apache::Cookie link in
libapreq (statically).  You can "use" one *or* the other in a given
mod_perl-enabled process, but if you try to "use" both, they both
publish the same libapreq's symbols, and you get a symbol clash.

One hacky solution is to have libapreq linked statically in with the
binary, then let the dynamic Apache/Request.so satisfy the libapreq
from there.  That's the approach taken by this proffered solution.  To
me... it seems an odd hack to have to make the core binary provide
callbacks needed by second-tier shared libs. :(

Of course, the only way I could get mod_perl to pull in .so's is to
link it statically, which also seems odd.  How could Apple have
screwed up the linker and dynloader so much?

Kyle> I don't know about custom-built dynamic ones, I just rebuilt my
Kyle> mod_perl static and this worked well.

Until you use both Apache::Request and Apache::Cookie, then Booom!

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[Fink-devel] weirdness in latest OS update

2002-02-21 Thread Andrew Rohl

Anyone else noticed that cat is missing after updating to 10.1.3. 
Makes a lot of configure scripts fail if you don't have fileutils 
installed (and you can't install it without cat...)

This could be a big problem...

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Re: [Fink-devel] RE: [Fink-beginners] Does gnumeric work ...?

2002-02-21 Thread Randal L. Schwartz

> "Max" == Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> If you can SSH then why not just set CVS_RSH to ssh and use that?
>> I'm guessing he can't ssh.

Max> Exactly. Web, Email, FTP, that's it.

If the corp Web proxy supports https, you can use ssh through it at
full speeds, although possibly requiring a slight assist from an
outside box under your control and a small, say, 30-line Perl program
on the inside, depending on what brand of proxy it is.

I won't tell you how I know, but perhaps the phrase

  "CONNECT ssh.sourceforge.net:22 HTTP/1.0\n\n"

might be of assistance.

Firewall admins who set up https-savvy web proxies but then forbid
outbound ssh are really just delaying the inevitable.  It's Just
As Secure, People!

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Re: [Fink-devel] weirdness in latest OS update

2002-02-21 Thread Benjamin Reed

Andrew Rohl [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Anyone else noticed that cat is missing after updating to 10.1.3. 
> Makes a lot of configure scripts fail if you don't have fileutils 
> installed (and you can't install it without cat...)
> 
> This could be a big problem...

Looks like the update went wonky on your system... I've still got
cat:

  [ ranger@localhost ]-[ Thursday, Feb 21, 2002 ]-[  8:37 AM ]
   ~ > which cat
   /bin/cat

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Re: [Fink-devel] RE: [Fink-beginners] Does gnumeric work ...?

2002-02-21 Thread Randal L. Schwartz

> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Randal> I won't tell you how I know, but perhaps the phrase

Randal>   "CONNECT ssh.sourceforge.net:22 HTTP/1.0\n\n"

Randal> might be of assistance.

Or, I might just point you at http://www.cvshome.org/dev/patches/http
which tells how to patch your CVS to permit exactly what I was
describing. :)

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Re: [Fink-devel] weirdness in latest OS update

2002-02-21 Thread Max Horn

At 21:45 Uhr +0800 21.02.2002, Andrew Rohl wrote:
>Anyone else noticed that cat is missing after updating to 10.1.3. 
>Makes a lot of configure scripts fail if you don't have fileutils 
>installed (and you can't install it without cat...)
>
>This could be a big problem...

Hm, dunnow what you mean - /bin/cat is definitly there for me.


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[Fink-devel] A Comment on App Packaging

2002-02-21 Thread Nadine Edwards
I was browsing MacGIMP.org and saw on their front page the excerpt of John Hubbard's comments on OSX packaging, I though you guys would be interested or would like to comment. Here's and excerpt:

"Earlier this week, Jordan Hubbard of FreeBSD fame and an Apple employee, posted a lengthy note to the darwin-dev list, which we have included here in its entirety. His note was more a prophetic admonition, but he did propose five characteristics of what the package system should do/be:

• 1. XML-based descriptive file 
• 2. make files no longer mandatory 
• 3. treat it like a database 
• 4. abstract packaging rules to integrate various formats 
• 5. have an architecture prepared for GUI front-ends 
There is a lot to think about here, especially Apple's posture toward the whole situation. "


Enjoy.

Nuff Respec'

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Re: [Fink-devel] RE: [Fink-beginners] Does gnumeric work ...?

2002-02-21 Thread Randal L. Schwartz

> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Randal> Or, I might just point you at http://www.cvshome.org/dev/patches/http
Randal> which tells how to patch your CVS to permit exactly what I was
Randal> describing. :)

Or even point out
 which shows
how to make SSH work through a tunnel without modifying *any*
binaries.  I had not seen this before.  Amazing what a google search
will bring up.  And it's in Perl, no less!

OK, I'm going back to my rock now.

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Re: [Fink-devel] weirdness in latest OS update

2002-02-21 Thread Max Horn

At 22:21 Uhr +0800 21.02.2002, Andrew Rohl wrote:
>>At 21:45 Uhr +0800 21.02.2002, Andrew Rohl wrote:
>>>Anyone else noticed that cat is missing after updating to 10.1.3. 
>>>Makes a lot of configure scripts fail if you don't have fileutils 
>>>installed (and you can't install it without cat...)
>>>
>>>This could be a big problem...
>>
>>Hm, dunnow what you mean - /bin/cat is definitly there for me.
>
>h  - i have a /bin/cat.redo_prebinding  My update crashed on 
>the prebinding step (which many other people have reported on 
>http://apple.slashdot.org)  Can I just move it back to cat?

No idea, but now that you mention it, mine crashed there, too.

Maybe I should do this now:

  find /usr -name "*.redo_prebinding"

8-)


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RE: [Fink-devel] fink building state

2002-02-21 Thread Jeff Henrikson

> The latest package for gal, in the unstable tree available by
> fink selfupdate-cvs, is gal 0.19.  The maintainer has now split the

Okay, thanks, I wasn't aware.  I'd still like to understand why the build I was doing 
before doesn't work.  Linking under OS X is
still quite mysterious to me, and I am not looking forward to dealing with it in 
evolution.


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[Fink-devel] Re: A Comment on App Packaging

2002-02-21 Thread Jerome Holman

Being that this is just a packaging strategy for Darwin and OS X's UNIX
ports, I think it would be a little bit of a waste of effort to redesign
when the rest of the BSD's are using the standard make and ports collection
design.

Jerome

On 2/21/02 9:09 AM, "Nadine Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was browsing MacGIMP.org and saw on their front page the excerpt of
> John Hubbard's comments on OSX packaging, I though you guys would be
> interested or would like to comment. Here's and excerpt:
> 
> "Earlier this week, Jordan Hubbard of FreeBSD fame and an Apple
> employee, posted a lengthy note to the darwin-dev list, which we have
> included here in its entirety. His note was more a prophetic admonition,
> but he did propose five characteristics of what the package system
> should do/be:
> 
> € 1. XML-based descriptive file
> € 2. make files no longer mandatory
> € 3. treat it like a database
> € 4. abstract packaging rules to integrate various formats
> € 5. have an architecture prepared for GUI front-ends
> There is a lot to think about here, especially Apple's posture toward
> the whole situation. "
> 
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> Nuff Respec'
> 
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[Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-users] Re: Fink-users digest, Vol 1 #627 - 1 msg

2002-02-21 Thread Alexander Strange

Put it in your .xinitrc instead.

On Thursday, February 21, 2002, at 04:01 PM, Stephen R. Anderson wrote:
> if ( $?DISPLAY == 1 ) xmodmap -e "remove Mod1 = Alt_R"
>
> in my .tcshrc, but that didn't work (although when I ran that in an 
> xterm window and then started up xemacs from that xterm, I did get the 
> right result).
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[Fink-devel] python needs openssl which is not available

2002-02-21 Thread Steve Spicklemire

Hi Folks,

I'm new to fink, but I'm preparing to submit a package. However I just 
cleared out fink... (rm -rf /sw/ etc.. ) and tried to "start over". When 
I go to fetch python it says python depends on openssl which is not 
available. I checked the .info file, and sure enough, it does. Was this 
accidently checked in to stable? Suggestions?

thanks,
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Re: [Fink-devel] Perl Packages & Diff usage

2002-02-21 Thread Kyle Moffett

> The problem is that both Apache::Request and Apache::Cookie link in
> libapreq (statically).  You can "use" one *or* the other in a given
> mod_perl-enabled process, but if you try to "use" both, they both
> publish the same libapreq's symbols, and you get a symbol clash.

That is kind of weird, why isn't this the case on other platforms?

> One hacky solution is to have libapreq linked statically in with the
> binary, then let the dynamic Apache/Request.so satisfy the libapreq
> from there.  That's the approach taken by this proffered solution.  To
> me... it seems an odd hack to have to make the core binary provide
> callbacks needed by second-tier shared libs. :(

I agree, an odd hack indeed!

> Of course, the only way I could get mod_perl to pull in .so's is to
> link it statically, which also seems odd.  How could Apple have
> screwed up the linker and dynloader so much?

I have no clue! :-)  Maybe that's why I got a malloc error with the 
Apple-provided so and not with the static custom one

> Kyle> I don't know about custom-built dynamic ones, I just rebuilt my
> Kyle> mod_perl static and this worked well.
>
> Until you use both Apache::Request and Apache::Cookie, then Booom!

Well, yes, but in any case I was referring to my statically linked 
mod_perl not suffering from the same instability as the .so one


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Re: [Fink-devel] Perl Packages & Diff usage

2002-02-21 Thread Randal L. Schwartz

> "Kyle" == Kyle Moffett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> The problem is that both Apache::Request and Apache::Cookie link in
>> libapreq (statically).  You can "use" one *or* the other in a given
>> mod_perl-enabled process, but if you try to "use" both, they both
>> publish the same libapreq's symbols, and you get a symbol clash.

Kyle> That is kind of weird, why isn't this the case on other platforms?

Not sure.

the .so for A::R and A::C both statically link to libapreq, which
should internally bind the entry points between the A::R/A::C and
libapreq libs, and it does on every platform including Apple.

However, on Apple, the entry points are also *published*, so when both
.so's are pulled in, you get a duplicate on the libapreq entry points!
I'm not smart enough to know how to turn that off.

That is, how do you tell Apple's linker that when making a .so that is
linking to a .a that the entry points that pull the .a in are
satisfied and now private?  Works on standard GNU ld, and every other
ld on the planet.  Not on Apple.  It makes those .a externs to be
also published by the .so.  Boom.  Bug?  Or feature?

Another workaround would be to make libapreq a separate .so, and then
pulling it in both ways from both A::C and A::R would still be OK.
Perhaps. :)

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Re: [Fink-devel] python needs openssl which is not available

2002-02-21 Thread Jeff Whitaker

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Steve Spicklemire wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm new to fink, but I'm preparing to submit a package. However I just
> cleared out fink... (rm -rf /sw/ etc.. ) and tried to "start over". When
> I go to fetch python it says python depends on openssl which is not
> available. I checked the .info file, and sure enough, it does. Was this
> accidently checked in to stable? Suggestions?
>
> thanks,
> -steve
>

Do a "fink selfupdate" and build it from the source package - the openssl
dependency was removed in revision 6.

-Jeff

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[Fink-devel] (Long) Fwd: Design Award for Best Mac OS X Open Source Port

2002-02-21 Thread Alexander Strange

We've got some good ports, think one of the maintainers (or even the 
whole Fink project) could win something?

> Dear Developer,
>
> We have great news! In response to the popularity of Mac OS X with the 
> open
> source community, Apple is pleased to announce an additional category 
> for
> the Seventh Annual Apple Design Awards: Best Mac OS X Open Source Port. 
> In
> addition, we are now accepting both individual and collaborative 
> entries.
>
> We invite you to take a look at the updated rules and prize
> information and submit your product for consideration. The winners
> will be announced at a special Apple Design Awards ceremony during
> Apples Worldwide Developers Conference in San Jose, California
> during the week of May 6-10, 2002.
>
> If you have already submitted a product for consideration in the Seventh
> Annual Apple Design Awards, you will be contacted separately with
> information on updating your submission.
>
>
> ==
> COMPANY/INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPERS
> ==
> A company or individual developer may submit a product to be
> considered for the following categories:
>
>* Best New Mac OS X Product
>* Most Innovative Mac OS X Product
>* Best Mac OS X User Experience
>* Best Mac OS X Technology Adoption
>* Best Mac OS X Open Source Port
>
> Individual developers may also submit a product collaboratively (please 
> see
> entry form for specific requirements and award guidelines related to 
> joint
> entries).
>
> Winners in each of the above categories receive an "Ultimate" Power Mac 
> G4
> system with an Apple Cinema Display (22" flat panel).
>
> Please note that all company/individual developer entries are due by 
> Friday,
> April 5, 2002. You may submit your entry form today at
> .
>
>
> ==
> STUDENT DEVELOPERS
> ==
> Student developers may submit a product developed either individually or
> collaboratively for the category of:
>
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Re: [Fink-devel] (Long) Fwd: Design Award for Best Mac OS X OpenSource Port

2002-02-21 Thread Ben Hines

At 7:18 PM -0500 2/21/02, Alexander Strange wrote:
>We've got some good ports, think one of the maintainers (or even the 
>whole Fink project) could win something?

Is Fink really an "Open Source Port"? :)

My guess is that they will give it to XTools or XFree86.

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Re: [Fink-devel] (Long) Fwd: Design Award for Best Mac OS X Open Source Port

2002-02-21 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Thursday, February 21, 2002, at 08:28 , Ben Hines wrote:
At 7:18 PM -0500 2/21/02, Alexander Strange wrote:
We've got some good ports, think one of the maintainers (or even the whole Fink project) could win something?

Is Fink really an "Open Source Port"? :)

No, but we are an Open Source Port-er, besides:
Best Mac OS X Technology Adoption is another possible category, depending on how thats classified

My guess is that they will give it to XTools or XFree86.

Maybe so, maybe not, we sure have ported more stuff to OS X than most other groups/people.  We've done a lot of work, just look at the pure quantity of patches we have made to get stuff to work, then look at the package count (500 some last time I looked).  We have done a heck of a lot!

-Ben
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Kyle Moffett


Re: [Fink-devel] (Long) Fwd: Design Award for Best Mac OS X Open Source Port

2002-02-21 Thread Alexander Strange

Ack! Four copies of the same mail!
I'm feeling greedy, so I might submit the Gimp (original work by 
Christoph Pfisterer (hmm... i guess i should ask him first :) ), 
pthreads and perl support by me).

On Thursday, February 21, 2002, at 08:46 PM, Kyle Moffett wrote:

> On Thursday, February 21, 2002, at 08:28 , Ben Hines wrote:
>> At 7:18 PM -0500 2/21/02, Alexander Strange wrote:
>>> We've got some good ports, think one of the maintainers (or even the 
>>> whole Fink project) could win something?
>>
>> Is Fink really an "Open Source Port"? :)
>
> No, but we are an Open Source Port-er, besides:
> Best Mac OS X Technology Adoption is another possible category, 
> depending on how thats classified
>
>>
>> My guess is that they will give it to XTools or XFree86.
>
> Maybe so, maybe not, we sure have ported more stuff to OS X than most 
> other groups/people.  We've done a lot of work, just look at the pure 
> quantity of patches we have made to get stuff to work, then look at the 
> package count (500 some last time I looked).  We have done a heck of a 
> lot!
>
>> -Ben
>> -- http://homepage.mac.com/bhines/
>
> Kyle Moffett
>
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[Fink-devel] libtool 1.4 patch for MacOS 10.1 ?

2002-02-21 Thread Denis DeLaRoca

Hi!

The Porting Tips documents mentions that libtool 1.4 needs a small patch
to work with MacOS X 10.1. Where is that patch to be found? Is the patch
needed for libtool 1.4.2?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [Fink-devel] (Long) Fwd: Design Award for Best Mac OS X Open Source Port

2002-02-21 Thread Kyle Moffett


On Thursday, February 21, 2002, at 09:48 , Alexander Strange wrote:

> Ack! Four copies of the same mail!

I have had that problem too, today I even got a couple of extra copies 
of month old fink-devel mail from SourceForge.  They must be trying 
something new.


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