Re: [Fis] Season Greetings / Merry Christmas

[Louis H Kauffman]

Dear Pedro,
Thank you. This brings back happy memories of a ten week mathematical visit to 
Zaragoza in 1982.
I toured in Southern Spain (saw the Alhambra and more) and lectured to Jose 
Montesinos and his colleagues and students on knot theory for most of the ten 
weeks, daily.
Jose took me north to the mountains and to castles and showed me how to search 
for crystals in the earth.
The course notes became a book “On Knots” and the experience lives with me all 
the time.
Seasons Greetings and 
Very best regards,
Lou Kauffman

> On Dec 22, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan  
> wrote:
> 
> Dear FIS Colleagues,
> 
> Herewith the customary Christmas scene at El Pilar Basilica of Zaragoza.
> It is a really beautiful place that you should visit... I promise not to be a 
> bad amphitryon ;)
> 
> As for the next sessions, we will have the traditional New Year Lecture, and 
> then another two sessions on data-driven science and on combinatorial logics 
> in biological information. 
> 
> Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
> 
> All the best--Pedro
> 
> 
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> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
> Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
> Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
> Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
> 50009 Zaragoza, Spain
> Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
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Re: [Fis] Social information, Sociotype

[Sungchul Ji]

Hi Emanuel, Pedro & Fishers,


Emanuel is rasing an important point.  It is clear that the duality of genetic 
and epigenetic informations is fundamental.  But I think the triadicity of 
genotype, phenotype, and sociotype is as important and fundametnal, if we 
interpret the triadicity to mean that three cannot be reduced to two or one 
just as the duality means that two cannot be reduced to one.  The two 
relations, the fomer irreducibly dyadic and the latter irreducibly tiradic, may 
not be mutually exclusive or contradictory (as they may appear on the surface) 
but reflect different aspects of the information of livign systems -- one 
aspect is irreducibly dyadic and the other is irreducibly triadic, depending on 
how the phenomonon of life is viewed.   We may represent this idea 
diagrammatically as infigure 1 below, which is an elaboration and extension of 
the ITR (Irreducible Triadic Relation) diagram that I used in my previous post:






__

   |___|

   | k   | i
  |   |Epigenetic Information flows

   |  | 
   |   |||

   V  f  V g
|   |   i, j, & k

   Genotype  >  Phenotype  -> Sociotype

  |  ^  |   
^

  |  |  j | 
 |

  |  |__|  |
  ||Genetic 
Information flows

  h 
||


f, g, & h




Figure 1.  The duality of the genetic and epigenetic information flows in the 
genotype-phenotype-sociotype triad underlying living systems.



Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.

Sung


From: Fis  on behalf of Emanuel Diamant 

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:25 PM
To: 'Pedro C. Marijuan'
Cc: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: [Fis] Social information, Sociotype




Dear Pedro, Dear Fises,



I apologize, as usual, for intervening in your respected discussion. But in my 
humble understanding, the genotype-phenotype-sociotype triad is simply a list 
of behavioral forms (or types). Evidently, they all are endorsed and inspired 
by the information that is in the disposal of every living being. But from 
information point of view (and we are busy with information essence quest) only 
two types of information are involved in a living being behavior production: 
genetic information and epigenetic information. That is: vertically exchanged 
inheritance information and horizontally exchanged experience information. 
These two types of information are responsible for the behavior of living 
beings at every known to us level of biological organization: single cell - 
genotype, cell assembly or organism - phenotype, groups of organisms or 
societies - sociotype.

Again, I apologize for invading your discussion, but we are busy with 
information, aren’t we?



Best regards, Emanuel.


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[Fis] Season Greetings / Merry Christmas

[Pedro C. Marijuan]

Dear FIS Colleagues,

Herewith the customary Christmas scene at El Pilar Basilica of Zaragoza.
It is a really beautiful place that you should visit... I promise not to 
be a bad amphitryon ;)


As for the next sessions, we will have the traditional New Year Lecture, 
and then another two sessions on data-driven science and on 
combinatorial logicsin biological information.


Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

All the best--Pedro


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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/
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