[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
Thanks Steve, There are a couple problems I have found with AMFPHP. The first is an error that pops up intermittently. I can't remember it exactly but have posted about it before. Suddenly it appears for no reason and you can't get rid of it no matter what you do. Changing to Weborb fixed it for me (And others). I think Delivery is in doubt this is that error I searched the forum and found that u mentioned this in a post on context of amfPHP. there also u have mentioned about webORB. I have forwarded that post also to my evaluation team. Secondly, I don't believe AMFPHP is actively updated any more. The developer, Wade Arnold, now works for Zend and is the lead developer for Zend_AMF. True, I agree with u, I also doubt about future releases of amfPHP. Anyways before sticking to webORB the team should not get feeling that webORB is forced on them. In my way of working they should come out with name of product they are convinced about.In heart of my heart i know that webORB will be the thing they will come out with. BTW which framework u are using on server side ? Thanks and Best Regards Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
I'm not using one. It would be overkill to have one. All I do is query a database given the parameters from an object sent via remoteObject and build an array of custom objects that are returned to Flex. Why would I need a framework for that? PHP's built-in object support is all I need. Most of my PHP code is less than 20 lines with an included file that does authorization/authentication checking. Best Regards Steve BTW which framework u are using on server side ?
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
If ADOdb is my final goal, I would start with that rather than PHP's built-in MySQL classes. I really don't see the point. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, raja_s_patil kpr.rspa...@... wrote: Thanks Steve, AFAIK no - They give you enough to get going but any further is up to your own development efforts. There should be no reason you can't add to the console for code generation. In my case, I did not use any of the examples or code generation - I just built everything from scratch. I too will follow the same, to begin with I will generate code with mySQL then base Firebird PHP vos with ADOdb data abstraction. What do u think about it ? Thanks and Best Regards. Raja
Re: [flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
Thanks Steve, If ADOdb is my final goal, I would start with that rather than PHP's built-in MySQL classes. I really don't see the point. . I got the mysql code generated I studied that carefully I picked up two methods from service List all and update. I wrote similar ones for adodb firebird and my own table and got the code working after few trials in PHP and tested it in browser. Then I created flex project and it also worked fine. I have tested amfPHP also meantime and it was almost effortless since most of the code was reused with some modifications I got this also working. As far as I am concerned I found amfPHP simpler for adoption. I have left decision to my development team for which one to adopt. They also going to try that on different table but with postgresql and suppose to give feedback to me by wednesday 29 Apr. Let us see what they would like to adopt like adodb/PDO webORB/amfPHP. ultimately they are going to code let them decide what they find comfortable. I found a very good blog about comparing various amf options here Flex and remoting with PHP, which library is the best: Zend AMF, AMFPHP, WebORB for PHP, or SabreAMF? : Mihai CORLANhttp://corlan.org/2009/03/31/flex-and-remoting-with-php-which-library-is-the-best-zend-amf-amfphp-weborb-for-php-or-sabreamf/ http://corlan.org/2009/03/31/flex-and-remoting-with-php-which-library-is-the-best-zend-amf-amfphp-weborb-for-php-or-sabreamf/ also he has written lot of other very interesting articles there worth looking it. Thanks a lot for help extended till date. Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
There are a couple problems I have found with AMFPHP. The first is an error that pops up intermittently. I can't remember it exactly but have posted about it before. Suddenly it appears for no reason and you can't get rid of it no matter what you do. Changing to Weborb fixed it for me (And others). Secondly, I don't believe AMFPHP is actively updated any more. The developer, Wade Arnold, now works for Zend and is the lead developer for Zend_AMF. HTH Steve --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, R. S. Patil kpr.rspa...@... wrote: Thanks Steve, If ADOdb is my final goal, I would start with that rather than PHP's built-in MySQL classes. I really don't see the point. . I got the mysql code generated I studied that carefully I picked up two methods from service List all and update. I wrote similar ones for adodb firebird and my own table and got the code working after few trials in PHP and tested it in browser. Then I created flex project and it also worked fine. I have tested amfPHP also meantime and it was almost effortless since most of the code was reused with some modifications I got this also working. As far as I am concerned I found amfPHP simpler for adoption. I have left decision to my development team for which one to adopt. They also going to try that on different table but with postgresql and suppose to give feedback to me by wednesday 29 Apr. Let us see what they would like to adopt like adodb/PDO webORB/amfPHP. ultimately they are going to code let them decide what they find comfortable. I found a very good blog about comparing various amf options here Flex and remoting with PHP, which library is the best: Zend AMF, AMFPHP, WebORB for PHP, or SabreAMF? : Mihai CORLANhttp://corlan.org/2009/03/31/flex-and-remoting-with-php-which-library-is-the-best-zend-amf-amfphp-weborb-for-php-or-sabreamf/ http://corlan.org/2009/03/31/flex-and-remoting-with-php-which-library-is-the-best-zend-amf-amfphp-weborb-for-php-or-sabreamf/ also he has written lot of other very interesting articles there worth looking it. Thanks a lot for help extended till date. Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
Thanks Steve, Actually, WebORB includes a lot of examples including CRUD. Once you download and install WebORB on your server, just navigate to http://yourserver/LocationYouInstalledWebORB/ This should bring up the console. Click on the Examples tab and then click on the tree dropdowns - there are a lot of examples. Well, Today I spent almost 1/2 day with Management Console to get acquainted with webORB. It seems to be promising to me. The part leftout was database application I could just see through WDMF. I could see only MySQL and MS-SQL there for code generation. Do you know whether Firebird, PostgreSQL and Oracle are supported ? Which database abstraction Layer they adopt. Is it AdoDB ? Can I Add these three to management console for code generation ? Thanks and Best Regards Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
AFAIK no - They give you enough to get going but any further is up to your own development efforts. There should be no reason you can't add to the console for code generation. In my case, I did not use any of the examples or code generation - I just built everything from scratch. Steve --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, raja_s_patil kpr.rspa...@... wrote: Thanks Steve, Actually, WebORB includes a lot of examples including CRUD. Once you download and install WebORB on your server, just navigate to http://yourserver/LocationYouInstalledWebORB/ This should bring up the console. Click on the Examples tab and then click on the tree dropdowns - there are a lot of examples. Well, Today I spent almost 1/2 day with Management Console to get acquainted with webORB. It seems to be promising to me. The part leftout was database application I could just see through WDMF. I could see only MySQL and MS-SQL there for code generation. Do you know whether Firebird, PostgreSQL and Oracle are supported ? Which database abstraction Layer they adopt. Is it AdoDB ? Can I Add these three to management console for code generation ? Thanks and Best Regards Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
Thanks Steve, AFAIK no - They give you enough to get going but any further is up to your own development efforts. There should be no reason you can't add to the console for code generation. In my case, I did not use any of the examples or code generation - I just built everything from scratch. I too will follow the same, to begin with I will generate code with mySQL then base Firebird PHP vos with ADOdb data abstraction. What do u think about it ? Thanks and Best Regards. Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
Sorry, I cannot comment on cake as I have not used it. I do know that WebORB is fast, reliable and community support is very good. I find it very easy to code for (Although I could be biased as I have used it for a long time). I would be reluctant to use CakeAMFPHP as I don't know the level of support I could get from the community. There are a lot of WebORB users here on FlexCoders so any questions you will have will likely get a response. I have never seen a query related to CakeAMFPHP on FlexCoders. Also, with WebORB, if you ever need enterprise support, you have the option of paying for it. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, raja_s_patil kpr.rspa...@... wrote: Hello, With reference to our topic few days ago and responses there on we are converging on PHP as server side technology. Within that we shortlisted two options 1 CakePHP + CakeAMFPHP - Adapter classes to make AMFPHP work seamlessly with CakePHP. This way, you can leverage your productivity by using CakePHP features on the server side to build your application server and use CakeAMFPHP to send data back and forth Flash/CakePHP. You can also have a HTML version of your Flash app without headeaches. 2 WebORB - WebORB for PHP is server-side technology enabling connectivity between Flex and Flash Remoting clients and PHP applications. WebORB for PHP can be installed into any PHP5 application to expose PHP classes as remote services. The product provides a complete implementation of the Adobe's AMF0 and AMF3 messaging protocols and thus supports any Flash Remoting or Flex client. What we need a fast performing, easy to understand and code and easily maintainable data abstraction layer. We are prefering to ability to change backend database to one of Firebird, PostgreSQL, MySQL, Oracle and MS-SQL. Similarly ability to embed business logic in that layer. So whatever study we had done so far we are tilting towards CakePHP but WebORB is also equally competing. We are not able to make up or Mind so can somebody guide us on this ? Thanks and Best regards Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
Thanks valdhor, Sorry, I cannot comment on cake as I have not used it. I do know that WebORB is fast, reliable and community support is very good. I find it very easy to code for (Although I could be biased as I have used it for a long time). I would be reluctant to use CakeAMFPHP as I don't know the level of support I could get from the community. There are a lot of WebORB users here on FlexCoders so any questions you will have will likely get a response. I have never seen a query related to CakeAMFPHP on FlexCoders. Also, with WebORB, if you ever need enterprise support, you have the option of paying for it. Yes I agree with you, If major section of flex coders is using webORB then, since its my first web application, I will prefer to go with majority i.e. webORB. Well the necessary push required for decision making has been given by you. Now can u help me a little more by either sending me a simple CRUD application on some Table or u can pass on a URL for the same. We will start the work the moment we get an example. Its better to follow others footprints initially till some experience is gathered. Let me tell u guidance about having PHP, adodb as serverside on this list we found very usefull since with in a day or two we could start right from installation to a test.PHP script listing a database table in browser. This gave us lot of confidence. Thanks once again and best regards. we are very grateful this list Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
Actually, WebORB includes a lot of examples including CRUD. Once you download and install WebORB on your server, just navigate to http://yourserver/LocationYouInstalledWebORB/ This should bring up the console. Click on the Examples tab and then click on the tree dropdowns - there are a lot of examples. Also, I have posted a couple of examples myself. Check out these threads... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/message/126803 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/message/119962 There are others - I just can't find them. These should be more than enough to get you going. Best Regards Steve --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, raja_s_patil kpr.rspa...@... wrote: Thanks valdhor, Sorry, I cannot comment on cake as I have not used it. I do know that WebORB is fast, reliable and community support is very good. I find it very easy to code for (Although I could be biased as I have used it for a long time). I would be reluctant to use CakeAMFPHP as I don't know the level of support I could get from the community. There are a lot of WebORB users here on FlexCoders so any questions you will have will likely get a response. I have never seen a query related to CakeAMFPHP on FlexCoders. Also, with WebORB, if you ever need enterprise support, you have the option of paying for it. Yes I agree with you, If major section of flex coders is using webORB then, since its my first web application, I will prefer to go with majority i.e. webORB. Well the necessary push required for decision making has been given by you. Now can u help me a little more by either sending me a simple CRUD application on some Table or u can pass on a URL for the same. We will start the work the moment we get an example. Its better to follow others footprints initially till some experience is gathered. Let me tell u guidance about having PHP, adodb as serverside on this list we found very usefull since with in a day or two we could start right from installation to a test.PHP script listing a database table in browser. This gave us lot of confidence. Thanks once again and best regards. we are very grateful this list Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
Thanks Steve, Actually, WebORB includes a lot of examples including CRUD. Once you download and install WebORB on your server, just navigate to http://yourserver/LocationYouInstalledWebORB/ This should bring up the console. Click on the Examples tab and then click on the tree dropdowns - there are a lot of examples. Unfortunately We could not makeout where to extract the zip file we have downloaded, i.e. installing webORB. The hint in this post has given us clue that it should be Document Root of apache or a alias should be defined in apache to extracted directory in Apache, Am I right ? we will try this. The webORB getting started page do not explain it clearly to beginners like me. Also, I have posted a couple of examples myself. Check out these threads... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/message/126803 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/message/119962 There are others - I just can't find them. These should be more than enough to get you going. Thanks a lot we will come back to list after trying all mentioned above. BTW ppl here talk about wrapping it in some wrapper what is that ? and what purpose it serves. Thanks and best regards. Raja
[flexcoders] Re: CakePHP+CakeAMFPHP vs WebORB dialema
Thanks Brad Bueche, If you have SLA's in terms of maintenance and production response with your customers you may want to partner with the party that can also offer that contractural level of service to you. (My experience with the webOrb team is that they are very responsive). With that said you may also want to look at Zend before you make a final decision. Well we going to have a pilot application, so we will evaluate Zend also in due course of time depending upon experience we have. If it serves purpose better then we can adopt it in actual development. Thanks and best regards. Raja
