Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..OT: 11'oclock high...
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:42:08 -0500, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...and at what clip does thrown 737 tires clip wings? ;-) Somewhere above 196 knots ground speed. ..thanks, Dave C, :-) that leaves the initial question for Chris; 11'oclock high, who's smoking? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Runway distance remaining signs +placementscript done.
Would adding in ILS/glidescope aerials (where they exist; that's easily checkable off Robin's database) count as too much clutter? Giles Robertson -Original Message- From: Gene Buckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 September 2004 22:31 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Runway distance remaining signs +placementscript done. life, we should aim to include them in FlightGear. First, however, we need to start toning things down a bit. I take it this means no FOD sweeping gnomes? Drat. g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Runway distance remaining signs +placementscript done.
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:14:33 +0100, Giles Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would adding in ILS/glidescope aerials (where they exist; that's easily checkable off Robin's database) count as too much clutter? On the contrary, that would add realism to the airports. The risk right now is overequipping the airports with stuff so that even the smallest paved strip looks like a mini KLAX. Small airports typically have one or two runways, sometimes paved. When the runways are under 4,000 ft (or so), there is only one windsock in the middle of each runway -- in fact, the airports often contrive to have only one windsock shared by all the runways. There might be a rotating beacon, but it will not be on a fancy tower right beside the runway. Taxiway signs are a toss-up -- sometimes you'll see them (especially if the airport has instrument approaches) and sometimes you won't. There will almost always be some hangars beside the apron and some kind of FBO building, often with fuel pumps or fuel trucks parked beside it and an antenna on top or beside it for the UNICOM. If there is scheduled air carrier service, there will generally be a small public temrinal building beside the FBO (no jetways, of course). The runway markings are often simple and faded, and the taxiway markings are almost non-existant, especially at VFR-only airports. Busier airports (a small minority) have control towers, but many do not, even those with commercial commuter air service. Once there is a tower, you can count on taxiway signs (i.e. A, B, etc.). One thing we could add, at least for my part of the world, are animated groundhogs all over the airport -- also flocks of birds near the threshold. I also heard a story recently of cows eating the fabric covering of a tube-and-rag airplane. All the best, David -- http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Runway distance remaining signs +placementscript done.
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 06:40:53 -0400, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing we could add, at least for my part of the world, are animated groundhogs all over the airport -- also flocks of birds near the threshold. I also heard a story recently of cows eating the fabric covering of a tube-and-rag airplane. ...that kinda realism might haven an impact on both the 3d model and the fdm's. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] change view
I'm searching for this point in Flightgear source code where my current position in the scenery will be calculatet new , after hit 'v'. Thanks Ben ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Runway distance remainingsigns+placementscript done.
It's the same with forced landings. Making an approach into a field of sheep is usually safe (my instructor has done it twice!). Making an approach into cows probably isn't. They're not guaranteed to move out of the way and in a small aircraft, hitting a cow would be bad :-) A while ago, a girl skydiving at my dropzone landed off the airfield in a field of sheep. It was the middle of the lambing season and when she stooped down to pick up here canopy she was butted in the chest and ended up in intensive care with a badly broken sternum. All the best, Matthew. * Giles Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-09 14:00]: I'm aware that when ballooning, it is always preferable to land in sheep, rather than cows; cows are intensely curious, and so, although when the balloon lands, they scatter, after the envelope is deflated, they will approach and start trampling on it, and licking it with sandpaper-like tongues. The sheep just stay well away. :) -Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 12:22 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Runway distance remainingsigns+placementscript done. On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 06:40:53 -0400, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing we could add, at least for my part of the world, are animated groundhogs all over the airport -- also flocks of birds near the threshold. I also heard a story recently of cows eating the fabric covering of a tube-and-rag airplane. ...that kinda realism might haven an impact on both the 3d model and the fdm's. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Runway distance remainingsigns+placementscript done.
You could simulate that too, if you have a strong force feedback joystick ;-) But this is a level of realism I can accept to live without. On Thursday 09 September 2004 16:15, Matthew Law wrote: It's the same with forced landings. Making an approach into a field of sheep is usually safe (my instructor has done it twice!). Making an approach into cows probably isn't. They're not guaranteed to move out of the way and in a small aircraft, hitting a cow would be bad :-) A while ago, a girl skydiving at my dropzone landed off the airfield in a field of sheep. It was the middle of the lambing season and when she stooped down to pick up here canopy she was butted in the chest and ended up in intensive care with a badly broken sternum. All the best, Matthew. * Giles Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-09 14:00]: I'm aware that when ballooning, it is always preferable to land in sheep, rather than cows; cows are intensely curious, and so, although when the balloon lands, they scatter, after the envelope is deflated, they will approach and start trampling on it, and licking it with sandpaper-like tongues. The sheep just stay well away. :) -Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 12:22 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Runway distance remainingsigns+placementscript done. On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 06:40:53 -0400, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing we could add, at least for my part of the world, are animated groundhogs all over the airport -- also flocks of birds near the threshold. I also heard a story recently of cows eating the fabric covering of a tube-and-rag airplane. ...that kinda realism might haven an impact on both the 3d model and the fdm's. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- best regards, Gunnstein Lye Systems engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | eZ systems | ez.no ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Runway distance remaining signs + placement
From: David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:35:30 +0200, Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think so, don't we. I mean, this is an essential part of airfields, but don't know enough about this subject to assert that the numbers are always right this way. There's also the danger of overengineering our airfields Yeah. Most of the airports I fly into have them, but then they also have instrument approaches and runways longer than 4kft. I'm tempted to say that we add them onto any runway longer than 5kft or having a LOC/ILS. Basically, if it is obvious (to the pilot) how much runway remains when at the midpoint of the runway for the minimum visual conditions ... I suspect that the signage is not installed because it would be pointless! class G airport can be clear of clouds ... but signage mostly missing. class E airport requires 1 mile visual ... need signage at 10kft rwy. class D airport can do SVFR and instrument ops ... signage at 3kft rwy. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Runway distance remaining signs + placement script done.
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:43:38 -0400, Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } FAA Response: The FAA disagrees. As noted in the proposal (65 FR } 38641), this rulemaking intentionally does not address distance } remaining signs. This matter was referred to the ARAC. At its } meeting on June 21, 2001, the ARAC accepted the working group's } majority report on distance remaining signs. The majority report } recommended that no regulation change was needed to require distance } remaining signs as the vast majority of airport operators have already } installed such signs on their air carrier runways. So this seems to indicate that they're not required, but are present on the vast majority of runways used by air carriers (which is, of course, a small fraction of all the runways in the country). If I understand U.S. terminology correctly, air carriers would include commuter airlines with scheduled service, so that would take in an awful lot of small, uncontrolled airports as well (such as Massena and Plattsburgh). Can any of the U.S. pilots on the list comment on this point? Again, I don't remember seeing these signs at U.S. airports, but then, I do most of my flying in Canada. As for figuring out how much runway the plane used in landing, try noting what taxiway he or she turns off at and then checking the diagrams after -- it's not perfect (the plane might taxi a bit before the next turnoff), but it will be helpful all the same. All the best, David -- http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear logged its first real flight !
Olivier, This sounds great, I am currently starting on a flight recorder for FG that records real flights for playback. Would love to try your tiny program and modified fdm is it sharable ? Actually very keen to see the results, as if your results look good I might change or even drop my current idea. I've got a Sharp Zaurus linux pda with a Haicom gps card, and have already recorded a couple of flights, so already have the equipment needed for your method. One bit I didn't quite understand was can you feed flights you have already recorded through this program ? It sounds like this is what it does. Mat Churchill ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Runway distance remaining signs
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:01:29 -0400 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:35:07 -0400, Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5. I don't know anything about how these signs are handled outside the U.S. If you do, let me know. I'd be interested in knowing more about how these signs are handled inside the US. I've flown my Warrior to several US airports -- Massena (KMSS), Caldwell (KCDW), Philadelphia (KPHL), Boston/Norwood (KOWD), Republic (KFRG), and Plattsburgh (KPLB) -- and I do not remember ever seeing signs like you describe, though I might have missed them in the clutter at KPHL. I suspect that these might be a special case for a tiny handful of airports, not a common feature. David, I have yet to notice a U.S. runway used for commercial service that does not have them. However, because of their coloring and placement, they tend to be easily overlooked unless you _want_ them. That is, of course, a good thing ... avoid unnecessary distractions. Oh, and I noticed their presence in Manchester and Basel-Mulhouse too. There may be an ICAO rule for airports with international service that was the original impetus for sign installation on major rwys ... From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd be stunned if they weren't at KPHL. I've never flown into/out of there, so I cannot say. I have and would have remembered if I had noticed them being missing. Of course, that doesn't mean that they really _were_ there, sigh. And, sadly, I'm only hoping to be a pilot in the future, so I definitely can't speak to small airports -- which, of course, are most of the airports out there. But they're a fixture at larger airports here; when I land in an airliner, I always look out the window for these signs to see how much of the runway the pilot uses. Yes, but that isn't strictly fair on the pilots. Just because they have to plan with balanced runway technique in mind does not mean that they _need_ as much runway as you observe being used. The takeoff profile at most airports is specified by noise abatement. Multiengine only have to stay in ground effect until blue line speed. Also, I often stay in ground effect to at least Vy for performance reasons ... even if I'll subsequently use a Vx climb to the pattern. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Inspiration for those working on the ballistic sub-model stuff? ; )
I saw this on the CBFS (Classic British Flight Sim) Forum. http://teamhouse.tni.net/Misc/airborne/mishaps.htm Watch out especially for the vehicle that was put on it's crate with the parking brake off:) LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Quick VFR Chart Online
Here's a nice way to get a quick (but small) scrollable VFR chart for an airport: http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/eaachart.cfm For the RESTafarians of the world, it is also possible to use GET so that you can provide direct links to airports. Here's KSFO on a 1:500,000 sectional: http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/eaachart.cfm?chart=Sectionaltyp=APTtxt=KSFO and here it is on a 1:1,000,000 world aeronautical chart: http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/eaachart.cfm?chart=WACtyp=APTtxt=KSFO Here's my home airport, CYOW, on sectional and WAC: http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/eaachart.cfm?chart=sectionaltyp=APTtxt=CYOW http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/eaachart.cfm?chart=WACtyp=APTtxt=CYOW Here's London/Heathrow on a WAC (no sectionals outside the US and Canada/Mexico near the US border); http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/eaachart.cfm?chart=WACtyp=APTtxt=EGLL Here's Paris/Charles-de-Gaulle: http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/eaachart.cfm?chart=WACtyp=APTtxt=LFPG I tried Tokyo/Narita, but only the default Aeroplanner vector map came up, so the coverage isn't world-wide. All the best, David -- http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear logged its first real flight !
Would love to try your tiny program and modified fdm is it sharable ? Yes, just tel me how to send you the source code. Actually, I have two tiny programs... One, named GPS Data Recorder, that reads and records NMEA data from a serial port (RS232), computes the estimate of A/C attitude and sends the approriate data to FG FDM for real time display. One, named GPS Data Emulator, that reads NMEA sentences recorded into hereabove file, computes the estimate of A/C attitude and sends the approriate data to FG FDM for playback display. Actually very keen to see the results, Well I'm still looking for free space on someone server to put my video on. I've got a Sharp Zaurus linux pda with a Haicom gps card, My tiny programs works well under Windows. I really don't know if they are easy to modify for Linux. (I have so much difficulty to make them work under windows, so the linux compatibility is an other story...) One bit I didn't quite understand was can you feed flights you have already recorded through this program ? Yes. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Runway distance remaining signs+placementscript done.
One thing we could add, at least for my part of the world, are animated groundhogs all over the airport -- also flocks of birds near the threshold. I also heard a story recently of cows eating the fabric covering of a tube-and-rag airplane. Should we use YASim or JSBSim for the bird FDM? The AIAircraft FDM will do it. A non-flapping bird, like an orbiting hawk will be easy (it's just like the KC-135). The flapping kind will take some animation work. As for flocking behavior, that's a whole 'nother thing. Dave -- David Culp [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Runway distance remaining signs+placementscript done.
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:25:02 -0400 Ampere K. Hardraade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, why can't we have our own airport database that extends Robin's? Presumably, we can; it's just a big job and nobody's stepped forward to do it. It'd certainly be nice to have another layer between Robin's database and our use of it. Corrections that fgfs users make to airports could become available more quickly than they are by passing them up to Robin and waiting for the next issuance of his database. And things like the complete disappearance of KSQL, the training airport used in some of FlightGear's new user docs, could be easily caught and corrected for. But it could end up being a lot of work. Also, there *are* occasional updates to Robin's data, and they seem to be fairly big -- lotsa stuff comes in from the X-Plane users, I guess. So one would have to take that new dataset, and then compare against local changes to the old dataset, and adjust accordingly. And how do you deal with cases where we have local changes to airport X, and airport X has changed in Robin's latest database, and the two changes disagree? Anyway. I think the short answer is that someone'd have to commit to doing it. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpEWMZqOoGQt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
