Re: [Flightgear-devel] New reelase(?) (Was: User selectable quality level for effects)
On Monday 12 April 2010 04:19:55 am Pete Morgan wrote: DO NOT WAKE up the webmaster and BFDL. One release A year MUCH MORE than enough, decided upon At WILL and RELEASED AT WILL by ME FYI, I am currently FlightGear's release manager. Last year, there's been an approximate 2-3 month lead-up period for the new release, including intense communication between approximately 5-8 people directly involved in the build process. This resulted in 4 release candidates, and many, many last minute bug-fixes before we finally decided that the simulator was good enough. As much as we would like to d more frequent releases, lack of man power has been a serious issue holding us back most of the time. Apparently, since you are not satisfied with the procedure, I am open to your motivated suggestions as to how the procedure can be improved. :-) Cheers, Durk -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New reelase(?) (Was: User selectable quality level for effects)
The major objective of having a master branch in my gitoreous repo is to make the release process less onerous from the source code point of view. Master is lagging a bit behind CVS at the moment, but that is actually part of the plan. It seems like preparing the data tree for a release is still an all-weekend affair... Tim On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Durk Talsma d.tal...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Monday 12 April 2010 04:19:55 am Pete Morgan wrote: DO NOT WAKE up the webmaster and BFDL. One release A year MUCH MORE than enough, decided upon At WILL and RELEASED AT WILL by ME FYI, I am currently FlightGear's release manager. Last year, there's been an approximate 2-3 month lead-up period for the new release, including intense communication between approximately 5-8 people directly involved in the build process. This resulted in 4 release candidates, and many, many last minute bug-fixes before we finally decided that the simulator was good enough. As much as we would like to d more frequent releases, lack of man power has been a serious issue holding us back most of the time. Apparently, since you are not satisfied with the procedure, I am open to your motivated suggestions as to how the procedure can be improved. :-) Cheers, Durk -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New reelase(?) (Was: User selectable qualitylevel for effects)
I wrote Frederic Bouvier Le 11/04/2010 11:21, Erik Hofman a écrit : Frederic Bouvier wrote: Hi, I commited changes to help users to tune their rendering quality according to their available hardware. As a picture is worth a thousand words, see : http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/fgfs_quality_level.gif I encourage effect designers to use this new /sim/rendering/quality-level property to allow users to have a better experience with new enhancements in flightgear You know, so much has happened the last few weeks that made me wonder if it might be a good idea to schedule the release FlightGear 2.1 within a month or two? I was reading this forum thread few minutes ago : http://flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=7358 and I wonder if its author, Thorsten with an 'H', already got in touch with someone with CVS write access for a CVS inclusion. A new fgfs version should have this. I have it here, and could upload it (except the small source code patch). Not sure that I would recommend it right now - it _looks_ like a regression. The visual aspects are well short of our current 3d clouds, and it is hard to use. That said, the underlying principles are very interesting, and we should be pursuing this. I understand action is in hand to amalgamate the best aspects of out current 3d clouds and Thorsten's clouds. It is available for download, if you scrabble around hard enough - took me best part of an evening to find it, and can't remember how I did it in the end. The trouble is Thorsten seems to develop his stuff in a vacuum - I have a couple of queries and can't find any way of getting in touch with him. I found an email address for Thorsten, and clarified a couple of points with him. I also suggested that the layered cloud stuff might go into CVS at some point so that it would be available for testing. He pointed out that since the currently released version is still limited to a single tile, it's not excessively useful at this point yet (except for soaring). And there is the problem that the Cumulus clouds are a regression when compared to the current. The other layered clouds are a vast improvement IMO. There is a further release planned with long-range support (automatic tile loading and unloading), terrain pre-sampling and more weather tiles in a month or so which will be interesting for users, but it might be a reasonable idea to put the current release into CVS, so that more people can test it. If no one objects I will upload the current layered cloud stuff this evening. Vivian -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Yoke mounted PDA
Has anyone made a 3D model of a PDA that attaches nicely to the existing yoke XML files? I'm thinking of portrait orientation with the form factor of an iPhone, android phone, etc, etc. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yoke mounted PDA
I made an iPad that looks pretty OK, but it used images from the Apple website as textures, so not completely GPL :) Has anyone made a 3D model of a PDA that attaches nicely to the existing yoke XML files? I'm thinking of portrait orientation with the form factor of an iPhone, android phone, etc, etc. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Release engineering (aka, continuous integration, aka, nightlies)
http://zakalawe.ath.cx:8080/ is a *prototype* build server for FG (including OSG and SimGear), running on my home box - it will need a proper home if it moves beyond the prototype stage. For people who don't know, a build server talks to some slaves, and grabs/builds/tests/packages code. The current server is talking to one slave, which is an Ubuntu VM which is building Tim's 'next' branch on Gitorious. The objective of such systems is that there should be *zero* human steps to create a release - not just out of laziness, but for repeatability. I.e don't write a checklist or 'howto' of creating a release, write a shell script that does the steps. (Or several). And check those scripts into a source control system, too. 'Soon' I will be setting up a WinXP slave, with a MinGW build. Hopefully this will even extend to a NSIS installer script, if Fred has one lying around. At which point we should have nightly installers available for Windows, and a happier Fred. (A VisualStudio build is also possible, but requires more interaction with someone else, who has an externally-addressable/tunnel-able box with VS installed). (any slave could be a VM, of course - they use CPU while building, but unlike other projects, our commit rate isn't that high - the slaves will be idle most of the time) (A Mac slave is also possible, but requires some more work, I will worry about it assuming people want to pursue this whole concept) Build jobs can run arbitrary shell scripts - they can tag things in CVS or Git, they can create tarballs, upload files to SFTP/FTP servers, the works. So, if Durk/Curt/Fred could codify, somewhere, the steps (in terms of 'things doable in a shell/.bat script') to create an FG pre-release and final-release, I am happy to do the work to get the process automated. At which point, doing a release means clicking a button on a webpage (on Hudson), and letting the slaves grind away for an hour or so. Magic! (Another thing the server can do, is email/IRC people when the build breaks on Linux / FreeBSD / Mac / Win due to a commit - obviously very handy for the devs. Yet another thing it can do is run test suites - unfortunately we don't have many such tests) (If anyone wants to get into providing nightly .debs or .rpms, that could also be done, but requires people who know those systems, and again can provide a suitable externally address slave to run the builds) James -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/Cub/Models/Effects exhaustsmoke.png, NONE, 1.1 exhaustsmoke.xml, NONE, 1.1 tyre-smoke-port.xml, NONE, 1.1 tyre-smoke-stbd.xml, NONE, 1.1
On 12 Apr 2010, at 13:07, Erik Hofman wrote: Log Message: Replace Devid Megginsons version of the j3cub with the excellent work of karla from the forum. Signed off by David. Woo-hoo! This is an awesome model, about to fire it up and take it for a spin. Thanks to all involved for their hard work, the results speak for themselves I'd say. James -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yoke mounted PDA
Cool, but wouldn't it make sense to support common portable aviation GPS's first? As far as smartphone-type-things go, it's hard to get any wireless coverage in the air (they started blocking upward transmission about 3-4 years ago), and the iPad is so big it would block most of the primary instruments anyway, but you'll find one of the units from this page attached to the yoke of most privately-owned planes: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=156 (I use an old GPSMap 196 myself, and it serves me very well). David On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Victhor victhor.fos...@gmail.com wrote: I made an iPad that looks pretty OK, but it used images from the Apple website as textures, so not completely GPL :) Has anyone made a 3D model of a PDA that attaches nicely to the existing yoke XML files? I'm thinking of portrait orientation with the form factor of an iPhone, android phone, etc, etc. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] DIY drones virtual UAV competition
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Maik Justus wrote: Hello, some time ago I made a FDM for a small quad-copter. Therefore flightgear also could be used for simulating this kind of uav. Sensors like acceleration and gyroscope should be easy to simulate with all their inaccuracies. Laser scanner and ultrasonic sensors (using some discrete rays) should also be possible now. Cameras we have, too. Hi Maik, Do you still have the FDM for the small quad-copter? Is this something that could be added to CVS? I think it could generate a fair amount of interest. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Quadrocopter (Quadcopter) / Mikrokopter / X-UFO / Microdrone
Hello Andreas, what is the actual status of the 3D-model? Best regards, Maik Andreas Bresser schrieb am 18.07.2009 02:31: Hi Maik, Nice. Will the finished model be published with GPL license? Would be nice to have such a model within cvs. Yes, definitely (and if not GPL than some other free license, but I think I'll go with GPL)! This model is now just for one Quadcopter, but there are a lot models out there that are quite simmilar, so I think I will modify the visible and physical model a bit and create some more Quadcopter-models (would be cool to see a swarm of them in the air :-) ) I had a look into these files and have a flying version of the Quadcopter now. cool! But it is very unstable. not so cool... I have to check, if these is caused partly by wrong parameters in the xml File (I don't have any experience with simulating such small rotors with YASim...). But it will definitively need an autopilot. (E.g. the V22-Osprey has a simple autopilot. The same concept should work for the quadcopter, too.) I will send you updated files in the next days. Thank you very much! If you need more data or other informations, just ask. I can't wait to see this thing flying. Andreas -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] DIY drones virtual UAV competition
Hello Curt, Curtis Olson schrieb am 12.04.2010 18:27: Hi Maik, Do you still have the FDM for the small quad-copter? Is this something that could be added to CVS? I think it could generate a fair amount of interest. yes, I still have the FDM, but no 3D-model. The FDM contains only the rotors and the mechanic. With some rc-helicopter experience it is flyable. But now I know, why all these small quadcopters are gyro stabilized. The limitation of the FDM is, that it works with constant RPM for all four rotors and varies the collective. Most (all?) real quadcopters have fixed rotors with individual engines. Adding some gyro stabilizers should not be so hard with some nasal coding. There were some mails about a year ago about his topic; I will see, if Andreas, who asked for the FDM, has a 3D-model now. I think for CVS we should have a (at least simple) 3D-model. Best regards, Maik Thanks, Curt. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/Cub/Models/Effects exhaustsmoke.png, NONE, 1.1 exhaustsmoke.xml, NONE, 1.1 tyre-smoke-port.xml, NONE, 1.1 tyre-smoke-stbd.xml, NONE, 1.1
Hi, Woo-hoo! This is an awesome model, about to fire it up and take it for a spin. Thanks to all involved for their hard work, the results speak for themselves I'd say. James Yes, great little aircraft, very accurate modelled! Now only a PA18 Super Cub with the same qualitity missing! It is fun to fly with! I'm thinking about to apply our new graphical stuff like a slight reflection effect to the glas material and bumpspec to the other parts if I get the authors permission. Would be great we had the versions with floats, skis and tundra-wheels as well... What I wonder- if David Megginson gave permission- why we have now the same aircraft with two different models in CVS? One named j3cub and one named Cub. Do wee need still the old one? Heiko __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on LinuxTag
Hi, just wanted to let you know that this year's application for a booth on LinuxTag [1] has been approved today. Cheers, Martin. [1]: http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/en.html -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New reelase(?) (Was: User selectablequalitylevel for effects)
I wrote: Frederic Bouvier Le 11/04/2010 11:21, Erik Hofman a écrit : Frederic Bouvier wrote: Hi, I commited changes to help users to tune their rendering quality according to their available hardware. As a picture is worth a thousand words, see : http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/fgfs_quality_level.gif I encourage effect designers to use this new /sim/rendering/quality-level property to allow users to have a better experience with new enhancements in flightgear You know, so much has happened the last few weeks that made me wonder if it might be a good idea to schedule the release FlightGear 2.1 within a month or two? I was reading this forum thread few minutes ago : http://flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=7358 and I wonder if its author, Thorsten with an 'H', already got in touch with someone with CVS write access for a CVS inclusion. A new fgfs version should have this. I have it here, and could upload it (except the small source code patch). Not sure that I would recommend it right now - it _looks_ like a regression. The visual aspects are well short of our current 3d clouds, and it is hard to use. That said, the underlying principles are very interesting, and we should be pursuing this. I understand action is in hand to amalgamate the best aspects of out current 3d clouds and Thorsten's clouds. It is available for download, if you scrabble around hard enough - took me best part of an evening to find it, and can't remember how I did it in the end. The trouble is Thorsten seems to develop his stuff in a vacuum - I have a couple of queries and can't find any way of getting in touch with him. I found an email address for Thorsten, and clarified a couple of points with him. I also suggested that the layered cloud stuff might go into CVS at some point so that it would be available for testing. He pointed out that since the currently released version is still limited to a single tile, it's not excessively useful at this point yet (except for soaring). And there is the problem that the Cumulus clouds are a regression when compared to the current. The other layered clouds are a vast improvement IMO. There is a further release planned with long-range support (automatic tile loading and unloading), terrain pre-sampling and more weather tiles in a month or so which will be interesting for users, but it might be a reasonable idea to put the current release into CVS, so that more people can test it. If no one objects I will upload the current layered cloud stuff this evening. It's now in cvs for you to test. Several of us have tried it and it does work. Warning: the download is on the large side, and when you try it you might find the hit on framerate unsustainable. You will need this patch for the FG source to make it work: ftp://ftp.abbeytheatre2.org.uk/fgfs/Environment/environment.patch Any feedback would be good. Vivian -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yoke mounted PDA
Hmmm, AFAIK we couldn't get things like moving map displays anyway... and some of those GPSes have turn-by-turn navigation for use with cars, which is kinda cool, as they're pretty expensive :0) Cool, but wouldn't it make sense to support common portable aviation GPS's first? As far as smartphone-type-things go, it's hard to get any wireless coverage in the air (they started blocking upward transmission about 3-4 years ago), and the iPad is so big it would block most of the primary instruments anyway, but you'll find one of the units from this page attached to the yoke of most privately-owned planes: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=156 (I use an old GPSMap 196 myself, and it serves me very well). David On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Victhor victhor.fos...@gmail.com wrote: I made an iPad that looks pretty OK, but it used images from the Apple website as textures, so not completely GPL :) Has anyone made a 3D model of a PDA that attaches nicely to the existing yoke XML files? I'm thinking of portrait orientation with the form factor of an iPhone, android phone, etc, etc. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Excellent new J3 Cub model
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: What I wonder- if David Megginson gave permission- why we have now the same aircraft with two different models in CVS? One named j3cub and one named Cub. No, pull the old one. It was a lot of fun to build, and was (I think) our second taildragger, when we were still figuring out how to model gear, but there's no reason to keep it around now. I'd love to make this new model our default aircraft, as the real J3 has been for so many tens of thousands of new student pilots historically, but the taildragger thing might scare away users. A couple of queries about the (most excellent) new model: 1. Shouldn't there be some kind of an inclinometer (slip-skid ball) on the panel? I think I've seen one in most J3 panel photos, and it's pretty useful. 2. Where's the black lightning bolt on the side? (That's just a joke -- I actually think it's cool that we're not following the cliché here). All the best, David -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
