Re: [Flightgear-users] PLEASE HELP-Let 410 Aircraft Installation

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Hi Gerard

Can you please explain again cause I could not make head or tail with your 
explanation.

Thanks!

Shelton.

 Le vendredi 04 novembre 2005 à 16:45 +1030, George Patterson a écrit :
  On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 19:08 +1300, T J wrote:
   I have the Let 410 Source Code and Aircraft Files Downloaded. I have
   extracted the aircraft files to the FlightGear Aircraft Folder. What do
   I do next? The instructions say to extract to Source Code Where is
   this (what folder?) I also dont't understand how to do this:
  
   Unpack the source code patch into your FG source directory. Some of the
   old files will be overwritten, some files will be added.
  
   Then rebuild FG by using commands
   ./configure
   make
   make install
  
   Could somebody please send me step by step instructions on how to do
   this and install the Let 410 aircraft.
   Many thanks.
 
  TJ, (Or whatever you name is)
 
  What about helping yourself?
 
  Given it is not a standard aircraft, give us a few details.
 
  Which version of Flightgear are you running? Which platform?
  As Shelton said yesterday to your original email on this subject,  What
  is the Let 410 aircraft and where did you download it from? A web
  address would be helpful. :-)
 
  George

 Hi, George

 TJ is talking about the L410 coming from
 http://javky.rozhled.cz/

 I gave  an an answer to Shelton about it.
 Sheers

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[Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz
As I make my way down the list of so called Flyable planes, the only real 
contender is the B1900D - quite disheartening - really how many Cessna's do 
we really need?? and the rest - well they are too incomplete to fly!!

Quite disappointing in fact.
You can forget about flying these:

737  Boeing 737
747  Boeing 747-400 (YASim)
747-100  Boeing 747-100 (JSBSim)
A320

The others are mostly incomplete - anyone else find this as well?

And pity the Citation - which is possessed.


Regards
Shelton.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Ok Guys

I am going to test each aircraft and write down what is inadequate with that 
particular aircraft - from this I will put it in a HTML table format and will 
get it uploaded somewhere so everyone can see whats wrong with them and hence 
what needs to be done.  So send me feedback with what you think is not right 
with the aircrafts you fly and I will compile them in a HTML document and 
upload it.

Regards
Shelton.

 On Friday 04 November 2005 06:32 am, Shelton D'Cruz wrote:
  .. and the rest - well they are too incomplete to fly!!

 A bit picky, aren't we?  Let me know what your minimum requirements are and
 I'll put some more hours in.  Be a part of the solution.

 Dave

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Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Hi Gerard

I greatly appreciate what the authors have done with the aircraft, but some of 
them are not up to the standard of flyable - I mean the other day I took 
off in one, forgot which one, and as I moved the hat switch to change views, 
the dash board moved along with it LOL -

Hence I will test each one and compile a list.

Regards
Shelton
 Le vendredi 04 novembre 2005 à 15:11 +0100, Gerard ROBIN a écrit :
  Le vendredi 04 novembre 2005 à 22:32 +1000, Shelton D'Cruz a écrit :
   As I make my way down the list of so called Flyable planes, the only
   real contender is the B1900D - quite disheartening - really how many
   Cessna's do we really need?? and the rest - well they are too
   incomplete to fly!!
  
   Quite disappointing in fact.
   You can forget about flying these:
  
   737  Boeing 737
   747  Boeing 747-400 (YASim)
   747-100  Boeing 747-100 (JSBSim)
   A320
  
   The others are mostly incomplete - anyone else find this as well?
  
   And pity the Citation - which is possessed.
  
  
   Regards
   Shelton.
 
  Hi Shelton,
 
  Do you known the time spent by the authors to build the aircrafts,
  Being a user from the old times i could discover the progress  on each
  a/c, i cannot give a specific good example without any risk to
  disappoint the others.
  If you are able to  fly and to explain the characteristics of each one,
  so you are able to make one from yourself.

 In addition to:

 don't forget  = FG is not a game

 Every a/c could be flyable in a MSFS standard,
 The target is to be as close as possible to the reality.
 Each author try to find the REAL characteristics, data, it takes time.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Andy - I know the B1900D is not a Cessna

Regards
Shelton.

 Shelton D'Cruz wrote:
  As I make my way down the list of so called Flyable planes,
  the only real contender is the B1900D - quite disheartening -
  really how many Cessna's do we really need?? and the rest -
  well they are too incomplete to fly!!

 The B1900 is a Beechcraft, not a Cessna, and a twin engine commuter
 turboprop.  Even interpreting cessna as a single engine light
 aircraft, the 1900 ain't.

 And I'm on record that the most fun, most instructive time I've
 had with FlightGear is practicing STOL techniques with the
 Harrier -- an aircraft with no 3D model nor cockpit.  I guess I
 wasn't flying then.  Thanks for setting me straight.

 Help or go home, basically.  If you want eye candy and polish
 over fixability and variety, stay with MSFS.

 Andy

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Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

and by the way guys, this is the impression I got from a new user -

Regards

Shelton.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Oh well then I may as well not do it - and I am not critising - only 
commenting.

 Le samedi 05 novembre 2005 à 10:57 +1000, Shelton D'Cruz a écrit :
  Ok Guys
 
  I am going to test each aircraft and write down what is inadequate with
  that particular aircraft - from this I will put it in a HTML table format
  and will get it uploaded somewhere so everyone can see whats wrong with
  them and hence what needs to be done.  So send me feedback with what you
  think is not right with the aircrafts you fly and I will compile them in
  a HTML document and upload it.
 
  Regards
  Shelton.

 You are free to do what you want,
 and we are free to do what we want.

 Will you give a prize to the best one ?
 You should better spend your time to make your own  a/c.
 Criticism is easy.

 Regards

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RE: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Hi Jon

I would like to compile such a list so that newbies now exactly the status of 
each aircraft, however, others here don't think thats neccessary so I will 
give it a miss.

Regards
Shelton.

  As I make my way down the list of so called Flyable planes, the only
  real contender is the B1900D - quite disheartening - really how many
  Cessna's do we really need?? and the rest - well they are too incomplete
  to fly!!
 
  Quite disappointing in fact.
  You can forget about flying these:
 
  737  Boeing 737
  747  Boeing 747-400 (YASim)
  747-100  Boeing 747-100 (JSBSim)
  A320
 
  The others are mostly incomplete - anyone else find this as well?
 
  And pity the Citation - which is possessed.

 Hi, Shelton:

 It's true that some of the aircraft are not well shaken-down. I'm
 heads-down in serious coding, and have been for months. JSBSim is
 undergoing a major upgrade. One of the things I really want to do when that
 settles down is to evaluate our aircraft models and refine or cull the ones
 that don't fly well. Feedback from users is valuable. What really helps the
 project, though, is more specific information about what is wrong with a
 plane. Is it documentation? What seems wrong about an aircraft? If you
 could take a few moments to fill in some details, that would be a valuable
 contribution to our efforts.

 Thanks!

 Jon Berndt
 Development Coordinator
 JSBSim Project


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Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Ok thats good to know - how about stalls - how does it react?

 Shelton D'Cruz wrote:
 hi Ray
 
 The Citation, although very nice, is not really flyable - I stalled her
  the other day and could not come out of the spin.

 The Citation is actually one of my favorite airplanes to fly.  It hits
 the published performance numbers pretty close in terms of climb rate,
 speeds, etc.

 Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] PLEASE HELP-Let 410 Aircraft Installation

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Ok thanks Gerard!

Regards
Shelton.

 Le vendredi 04 novembre 2005 à 22:30 +1000, Shelton D'Cruz a écrit :
  Hi Gerard
 
  Can you please explain again cause I could not make head or tail with
  your explanation.
 
  Thanks!
 
  Shelton.

 Sorry , i cannot tell more.

 You just need
   1/ to download the right files ( i told you how to access and to
 choose)
   2/ to patch FG source
 And .3/.to rebuild FG which will be dedicated to L410 only L410.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Hi Willie

Your WiKi is excellent! -   I will add some comments to it.

Regards
Shelton.

 I have started a page for each aircraft on the wiki
 http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/aircraft_wishlist.cfm

 where folks can leave comments on their favourite aircraft-models. I've
 phrased it thusly, though, being a wiki, please change it if you have
 better ideas :-)

  Aircraft-model titlethumbnail   link to airliners.net

 Categories:

 Version:

 FDM:

 Status:

 Author/Maintainer:

 Features:

 To do:

 Help wanted?  Yes please /No thanks==This bit is for the use of the
 author/maintainer only please.

 Please give your comments on this aircraft below. Please indicate if you
 think it is

 * just great - needs no further development
 * shows promise but needs further development - please be specific and
 say if you are willing to help
 * just needs a little tweaking - please be specific and say if you are
 willing to help
 * 'hanger queen' - stays in CVS but shouldn't be part of a release

 Im working through it now, starting to fill in the blanks, and weed out the
 aliases, though I think I'll be deleting the link to airliners.net and
 finding photos elsewhere. Is it OK to link the wiki to the thumbnails on
 the download page BTW?
 Please feel free to dive in and fill in info, links screenshots and
 comments. Hopefully after a week or so we'll get a feel for which aircraft
 are most popular and hopefully find more effort to finish some that are
 already started.
 Categories, I'm going to shamelessly steal from Ray Mc.

 Fantasy - Santa, UFO etc
 Experimental - X-15, YF-23 etc
 GA - Citation, C-182 etc
 Gliders
 Commercial - 737, DC-3, etc
 Pre WWII  Wright Flyer, Sopwith Camel, etc
 WWII - P-51, Spitfire, etc
 Post WWI - B-52, F-16 etc

 Cheers
 Willie Fleming


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Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Hi Curt

Yep good points - so besides the AOA issue, I think this jet is pretty much 
done.

BTW - checked out your nice pics with you in the simulator - must have been a 
ball.

Regards
Shelton.


 Shelton D'Cruz wrote:
 Ok thats good to know - how about stalls - how does it react?

 YAsim models some simple stalls.  You definitely know when you've
 stalled.  True life stall behavior is very difficult to model because it
 can be so different from aircraft to aircraft.  There seems to be a
 small issue in YAsim with some strange behavior when your aoa goes a
 little past negative.  I was looking at that last night and today, but
 quickly got in over my head.  Hopefully Andy can figure this out without
 too much additional work.  When you fly in the normal regimes you should
 almost never run into this problem.

 For whatever it's worth, some people like to hop into a sim and evaluate
 the flight dynamics model by taking it to the extreme edges of the
 flight regime before looking at anything else.  If it feels right, the
 sim is great, if not the sim stinks.  In this case, who here has stalled
 a Citation Jet?  Who would know exactly how it reacts or doesn't react?
 How easy is it to recover in real life?  If I told you it stalled
 exactly right would you be able to prove me wrong?  If you told me it
 didn't stall right, could I prove you wrong?

 I'm not a full scale pilot, but I have flown a variety of R/C aircraft.
 They all have wildly different stall characteristics.

 So who knows... I think the YAsim Citation has a plausible stall but I
 have no way to say if it's anything close to realistic or not.

 Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Hi Syd

No I don't think the aircraft are crap

Regards
Shelton.

 Shelton D'Cruz wrote:
 As I make my way down the list of so called Flyable planes, the only
  real contender is the B1900D - quite disheartening - really how many
  Cessna's do we really need?? and the rest - well they are too incomplete
  to fly!!
 
 Quite disappointing in fact.
 You can forget about flying these:
 
 737  Boeing 737
 747  Boeing 747-400 (YASim)
 747-100  Boeing 747-100 (JSBSim)
 A320
 
 The others are mostly incomplete - anyone else find this as well?
 
 And pity the Citation - which is possessed.
 
 
 Regards
 Shelton.
 
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 well I have to put my 2 cents worth in .If you think the aircraft are
 crap ... how about helping out by giving us some of that aircraft
 knowledge you apparently have that we dont .That would be much more useful.
 Personally I like them all ,(Santa is great!) but for my own  , finding
 the information for these aircraft isn't always easy.Maybe you could
 point out specific problems, then we would have a  better idea of what
 to fix.
 Thanx

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Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?

2005-11-04 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Hi Innis

This is what I get in the console when running the 737:

This aircraft model is a BETA release!!!

This aircraft model probably will not fly as expected.

Use this model for development purposes ONLY!!!

Regards
Shelton.

 Hi Shelton
 Ok I will be first cab off the rank I would like to know what
 you find wrong with the 737 which you term forget about.
 As I am in the middle of an upgrade of that aircraft it will give
 me an opportunity to see if there are things I have missed.
 Also it will give us an insite into what you see as shortcomings
 with the aircraft as up untill now your comments have been
 pretty general.


   Shelton D'Cruz writes

 and by the way guys, this is the impression I got from a new user -
 
 Regards
 
 Shelton.

 Cheers
 Innis



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Re: [Flightgear-users] Let Aircraft Help

2005-11-03 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

what is the LET?

Regards
Shelton.

 Could Someone please help me by going through step by step how I install
 the Let Aircraft. Thanks

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[Flightgear-users] CitatiionII

2005-11-03 Thread Shelton D'Cruz
Hi

Anyone else notice a strange problem with the Citation II - after a while 
flying her, she will all of a sudden go up and down in a yo-yo fashion - only 
happens to the Citation.

Regards,

Shelton.

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[Flightgear-users] Re: Problem running fgfs (0.9.8)

2005-11-01 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

OK

I removed 0.9.8 (flightgear-0.9.8-1mdk.i586.rpm) and reinstalled
flightgear-0.9.4-54941cl.i386.rpm and FG runs fine - so is there something
that I am missing with 0.9.8 ??

Regards
Shelton.

 Hi

 I have removed the previous version of FG and have got the packages for FG
 (mandrake 10.1)  but now when I execute fgfs I get the following error
 message:


 Adding subsystem environment
 Adding subsystem lighting
 Initializing OpenAL sound manager
 /usr/games/fgfs: symbol lookup error: /usr/games/fgfs: undefined symbol:
 alutInit


 Any suggestions ?

 Regards
 Shelton.

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[Flightgear-users] Problem running fgfs (0.9.8)

2005-11-01 Thread Shelton D'Cruz
Hi

I have removed the previous version of FG and have got the packages for FG 
(mandrake 10.1)  but now when I execute fgfs I get the following error 
message:


Adding subsystem environment
Adding subsystem lighting
Initializing OpenAL sound manager
/usr/games/fgfs: symbol lookup error: /usr/games/fgfs: undefined symbol: 
alutInit


Any suggestions ?

Regards
Shelton.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Problem running fgfs (0.9.8)

2005-11-01 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Hi Erik

Well 0.9.4 works fine - does it not use OpenAL ??

Regards
Shelton.

 Shelton D'Cruz wrote:
  Hi
 
  I have removed the previous version of FG and have got the packages for
  FG (mandrake 10.1)  but now when I execute fgfs I get the following error
  message:
 
 
  Adding subsystem environment
  Adding subsystem lighting
  Initializing OpenAL sound manager
  /usr/games/fgfs: symbol lookup error: /usr/games/fgfs: undefined symbol:
  alutInit

 You will also need to install openal.

 Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Problem running fgfs (0.9.8)

2005-11-01 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Ok thanks Erik

I will look into it further, It says I have OpenAL installed but obviously 
not.

Thanks again

Shelton.

 Shelton D'Cruz wrote:
  Hi Erik
 
  Well 0.9.4 works fine - does it not use OpenAL ??

 Nope, it's used plib's SL library.

 Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Problem running fgfs (0.9.8)

2005-11-01 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Ok

that didn't work - I installed 

* rpm -i libopenal0-0.0.8-1.20050312.1mdk.i586.rpm  then
* rpm -i flightgear-0.9.8-1mdk.i586.rpm

and still same error when trying to run fgfs.

regards
Shelton.


 Ok thanks Erik

 I will look into it further, It says I have OpenAL installed but obviously
 not.

 Thanks again

 Shelton.

  Shelton D'Cruz wrote:
   Hi Erik
  
   Well 0.9.4 works fine - does it not use OpenAL ??
 
  Nope, it's used plib's SL library.
 
  Erik
 
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Re: [Flightgear-users] Problem running fgfs (0.9.8)

2005-11-01 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

this is what that libopenal package installs:


/usr/lib/libopenal.so.0.0.8
/usr/share/doc/libopenal0-0.0.8
/usr/share/doc/libopenal0-0.0.8/CHANGES
/usr/share/doc/libopenal0-0.0.8/CREDITS
/usr/share/doc/libopenal0-0.0.8/ChangeLog
/usr/share/doc/libopenal0-0.0.8/NOTES
/usr/share/doc/libopenal0-0.0.8/PLATFORM
/usr/share/doc/libopenal0-0.0.8/README
/usr/share/doc/libopenal0-0.0.8/TODO




 I will look into it further, It says I have OpenAL installed but obviously
 not.

 Thanks again

 Shelton.

  Shelton D'Cruz wrote:
   Hi Erik
  
   Well 0.9.4 works fine - does it not use OpenAL ??
 
  Nope, it's used plib's SL library.
 
  Erik
 
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Re: [Flightgear-users] AI Aircraft

2005-11-01 Thread Shelton D'Cruz

Hi Guys

WOW i just saw the 737 AI takeoff from KSFO - this is amazing !!  Hope to 
contribute to this fantastic piece of software!!

Regards

Shelton.

 Hi Durk

 Well I will be more than interested in the alpha version of the AI traffic
 files.  So please send me the documenation and other associated material.

 In the mean time, I have located and downloaded the 0.9.8 mdk rpms (for
 Mandriva) as well as SimGear - Hopefully I will not encounter problems
 installing the latest version.  So please send me the details about the
 alpha version of the AI part in FG.  Let me know what needs to be done :)

 Regards,

 Shelton.

 Quoting Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi Shelton,
 
  Well, I guess David Luff and David Culp have already explained quite a
  bit. If
  you're interested in helping with AI traffic generation, you're mostly
  welcome. I do have some documentation concerning the generation of
  traffic files that I could send you off-list if you're interested (It's
  not quite ready for general release).  In addition, as I mentioned
  earlier, I am currently working on a traffic pattern editor that should
  eliminate the need to understand the details of the AI traffic files. So
  if you would like to test out an early alpha version, I'm more than happy
  to send you a pre-release. This might take a while though, as I just
  started this project last weekend... :-)
 
  As for your question why we have only 737's for AI traffic. The reason is
  that
  most of the traffic manager AI is in a relatively early stage of
  development and the supplied patterns serve mainly as a proof of
  principle. The 737 is one of the aircraft that is supplied by default in
  the base package.
 
  With the new traffic pattern editor, I'm moving away from the idea of
  using regular aircraft for AI traffic, but use dedicated AI models, which
  are somewhat lower in detail, because they're not regularly seen from
  small distances. However, this is again still in it's early stages.
 
  Cheers,
  Durk
 
  On Monday 31 October 2005 01:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi Durk
  
   Thank you very much for the explanation - Let me know if you need a
   hand with the AI part of FlightGear. I have some knowledge in XML. 
   BTW, how is the AI traffic generated in FlightGear - is there somewhere
   where I can take a look, I would like to see some more heavy traffic
   landing in KSFO. I mean if the 737s are implementated in KSFO, why not
   the A320?  Let me know if you want a hand at this.
  
   I used to play Flight Unlimited 2 and 3 before I moved onto Linux, and
   they did an exceptional job when it came to AI traffic.
  
   Regards,
   Shelton.
 
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[Flightgear-users] AI Aircraft

2005-10-30 Thread Shelton D'Cruz
Hi

Just installed FlightGear and I am quite impressed.  I just did a flight from 
Half Moon Bay to KSFO and was little disappointed because I did not see any 
AI (moving) aircraft, only 1 static one that was ready for take off but did 
not have any wheels!!

I have the AI setting to 3 .

Regards,
Shelton.

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