Re: FLUXLIST: the hangars liquides interview
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: the hangars liquides interview Ah yes! one of my two favorite books of all time. It is most wonderful, and I have I think much similar impulses to that crazy guy Melville. Now if I could only find people to bring my meals to the door of my room while I write . . . On 7/9/06 11:57 PM, clifford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this reminds me of the openin' of Moby Dick , when the protagonist(?) says when he gets to feeling violent it 's time to take a trip to sea. and he does just that, and thus begins the great trip of Moby Dick itself... On 06/07/06, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/5/06 6:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you often happen to think that you could punch a very friendly person in front of you in the middle of a conversation, without any reason, just like that? If so, what do you feel when you think about it? I realize I oughta get out of town. Time for a long walk with a backpack.
Re: FLUXLIST: the hangars liquides interview
On 7/5/06 6:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you often happen to think that you could punch a very friendly person in front of you in the middle of a conversation, without any reason, just like that? If so, what do you feel when you think about it? I realize I oughta get out of town. Time for a long walk with a backpack.
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
Also, all, the Visible Language double issue on Fluxus is out, it's put out by RISDe and available through them I think. Website as well. A very fun and interesting article on games and art as well as a thing by me, and mmore things by Owen and Ken and many others from this list. Thanks to all for your lovely words. AK On 6/20/06 2:25 AM, Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, Here is a note to Fluxlist from Alison. Hannah arrives today (or tomorrow) perhaps I can get direct questions to her too. She may not have time to answer but I'll ask..anyone? Ladles and Jellyspoons, All is on Noel's: -Messaggio Originale- Da: Alison Knowles A: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data invio: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:09:33 -0400 Oggetto: Fw: Madame Hulot sez Coming in from my longtime home in New York I arrived in Venice just in time to have an evening with Emmett Williams and Ann Noel. We had an endless night of long talk and tall drinks and his health though frail is better than any of my friends of his vintage. Salute Emmett and Ann Noel who are off to do her diaries in Venice with Francesco Conz. The first event at the museo Fortuny was not possible without a friend Alan Bowman whom I located on the rolldeck at the Foundation Emily Harvey and seemed to remember having met in New York. Everyone wants to help and is very kind here but some actually do put the proverbial shoulder to the wheel and do it. That is Alan. We are very labor compatible and with wit and knowledge of the terrain (Venice) he has been indispensible. We plan to work together again. He actually rolls along over and under it all and comes out smiling, so I call him Always Bowling and he calls me with equal appropriateness, Owl and Sundried. The performance went well with two of my own works: Loose Pages which papers the body in flax and crackles when walking, Onion Skin Song which turns a sandwich of onion skins in seran wrap into musical notation (played with toys, bean turners). We used the shadows on the crumbling lovely walls to play from, but then also the onion skin sandwich itself(which we created live on the floor) we could turn and use as well. The concert concluded with three Vintage Fluxus works full of significance but with no specific meaning: a Dick Higgins Constellation (three of them with audience participation), Shoes of Your Choice (with much audience participation) and Ay-O's Rainbow ( three performers blowing bubbles while I lept about bursting with pins). For whatever reason Lucio Pozzi said this made him weep! It was lovely with bubbles floating about in marble halls. The concert ended with Bob Watts Trace for Orchestra. We burned the Barber of Seville at the music stand. This is a fine piece. The next day I left for the Villa Buttafava with Giovanni Orsini to put up an installation in the Villa and get out of Venice for three days. Putting instruments and artifacts, stones and beans plus his miracle fabric luminex into an old window with a plexi backing which we then hung on the wall. This installatain and in fact all I am doing here has the title Time Samples. Let's keep it simple as Robert (filliou) would say. Signor Orsini is of a very old family. In fact his ancestor Felix invented the Orsin. this bomb relieved the world of Napoleon 111! Now, back in Venice, Always Bowling and I have just the Exhbition Time Samples ahead next week. we have lizards here, ants a'plenty and now mosquitoes. We try to be friendly with these creatures, we are, afterall the intruders. Nice to talk to the Fluxlist again. Onward Alison (akijan) Oh Odin's Underpants its a B(owman)LOG http://bowmansramblings.blogspot.com/ Visit the Freeformfreakout Organisation Online: http://www.freeformfreakoutorganisation.net
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
There is a sort of bit of a fashion for high school boys to wear girls' trousers . . . On 6/20/06 4:05 PM, Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006 Jun 20, at 3:01 PM, badgergirl wrote: I have a question: Do these trousers make me look taller? Badgergirl (very) My question: Do her trousers make me look taller? R~~ --- Now playing: AMM - Coffin Nor Shelf
Re: FLUXLIST: -- Poonurse
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: -- Poonurse This is pretty amazing. Her expertise oughta be legendary. On 6/17/06 12:41 PM, Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poonurse is an RN with 25 years experience in labor and delivery. Her qualifications include seeing a lot of poop, and owning a computer. Also, she works in Michigan, which she calls the asshole of the universe, so that's another bit of credibility. Got a question for her? http://www.poopreport.com/Doctor/index.html http://www.poopreport.com/Pooetry/index.html
FLUXLIST: Nothing
Does nothing = everything, like the concept of entropy which is that absolute disorder is absolute order? So Everything is the same as Nothing, not its opposite. The opposite of nothing is thing. Has anyone read that charming little book Les Choses? An Oulipo thing, whose was it again?
Re: FLUXLIST: Baudrillard Quotation
It's Tough Out There For an Artist . . . (bumpa bumpa thump thump)
On 5/12/06 10:38 PM, { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
may seem a little maudlin, but I recently attended the local
art museum's re-opening (we're talking multi-millions of our
tax dollars))... good-g0d, I was embarrassed... there were
only a couple of references-by-example-paintings that
kinda-feebly-stood-up but geez! -- just your usual
artworldhistory crap really...
/:b
On Fri, 12 May 2006, Allan Revich wrote:
High Theory is just the ideas that we have when we're high. They are full of
meaning at the time - but the meaning disappears with the buzz.
Low Theory states that, If you can't eat it, screw it, or piss on it, than
it isn't good for anything.
The most interesting bits of life happen in the Intermediate Theory, which
not coincidentally, seems to be where Fluxus is situated.
A!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of { brad brace }
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:27 AM
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Baudrillard Quotation
Hi, it's just that 'high theory' is invariably hierarchical;
the slots are rigged.
/:b
On Thu, 11 May 2006, placekraft/LeisureArts wrote:
Brad:
I was at the conference too - Aren't we all showmen [sic]
in our own way? I thought that conference was a nice way
to situate high theory, a way to contaminate it...
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing Maxim
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing Maxim On 5/8/06 9:33 AM, Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing compares to ewe >From a friend this morning: content of a spam message this morning: Turkeys care nothing about you, he retorted. It is nothing to them. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: edition
Very interesting, yes! It presumes a kind of purposeful inquiring search that I mostly seem not to have. Radio survives, I think, because we like being ambushed by small bits of diverse things to hear. I have boxed sets too and seldom listen to them because somehow I want to hear X occurs to me much less than I want to hear something. Surprise me. More and more I feel that to surrender my own responsibility to choose this or that is what I want. I want the gift of others' choice. Is this some disease of the will, or is it more common than I think? AK On 4/30/06 4:45 AM, Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting post thanks On 2006 Apr 28, at 4:08 AM, Kamen Nedev wrote: Hmmm, you have a point here. CDs suck. Period. The thing is, I'm not into CDs, I'm into the idea of publication, edition, or whatever you might call it. I don't care if it's a CD or a USB stick or a vinyl record, as long as I get this idea of an edition. In any case, for most of us, ephemeral netcasting and netlabels (or, as in your case, even our own resources) seem to be the most accessible path. well, you know...you go along with the formats in order to conduct the business of music. As they change, so do the needs of distribution channels. BUT when it comes to personal access, I've been increasingly interested in anything that has a deep time-bottom and doesn't have to be compiled in a linear manner. I'm surrounded by box/Bach sets that take the form of gargantuan proportions: 182 CDs of Bach...50 CDs of Merzbow...50 CDs of Klaus Schulze, etc. and just last week I got all squishy and excited when this explicated anthem from Prinzendorf that is the 51 disc Orgien Mysterien Theater (Orgies and Mysteries Theater) of Hermann Nitsch (of Viennese Aktionist fame) shows up with thick books/boots and poster. So I have to ask: why not just send me a small hard drive? The books/scores have a nicer feel than little slip covers around discs, but the sound could've been just as easily sent on a keychain harddrive. So, I think of a single Terrabyte for my work. The idea of making it one long work that uses 40 years of pieces dropped inside at various points. One of the things that I've learned and've appreciated during my studies with Stockhausen over these past few years is this idea of one large work (his Licht - 29 hours long) as a ground by which various smaller solo or group ensemble pieces can be extracted for performance. In my case, it's somewhat the reverse where individual pieces are interlaced into a whole that constantly/consistently grows. Need a solo 29 minute work? OK, let me play the part of the Metzgermeister and just slice some off for you. Would you like that wrapped? R --- Now playing: Paul Wilson - The Fall Cover Artwork: Are You Are Missing Winner
Re: Fwd redux: FLUXLIST: FW: A bit about nothing
Ah yes we've all missed The Tasmanian Angel Blakean singer of innocence and experience On 4/24/06 2:46 PM, Kathy Forer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My public apologies to Roy for not asking where he's been on Fluxlist in a long while, since last June my librarian friend tells me. I missed his voice from down under. I had really liked his post with the link to the 22 mile sign and wanted to repost for all to see. Alas the old link was broken. Here's to more of the same old nothing in lieu of nothing else. Distractedly yours, Kathy
Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff
Great story, Kathy! I love the sense of the drama of that age, you know you're sort of discovering the scale at which you want to live, and at that age the desired scale is pretty big, and one's abilities are really not up to it. You discover how much courage you have-- a lot, I think, in your case! I have smashed work, stuffed it in dumpsters, abandoned it (once discovered that the closet it was stuffed in on my departure from san francisco had leaked for a few years (I was gone a long time) because the building had been abandoned. The work was largely ruined but a few drawings had grown beautiful molds. So I took them back. Do medical students frame the cadavers on which they practice? I think it's good to dispose of things when they're no longer alive. On 4/22/06 11:35 AM, Kathy Forer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 22, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Melissa McCarthy wrote: Has anyone on the list ever done anything wildly destructive and/or cathartic with old work, then used the remains to create something new? (I'm thinking of an art bonfire in a metal trashcan in my own case, an idea I've toyed with for a while, and this may be the year) When I was of a certain age, too young to mention, I had my first boy- girl party (that young) and when no one was paying enough attention to me I irrationally went over to fireplace and oh so casually lent elbow against mantel and swept away my younger precious work. At least two lions modeled after the Public Library lions -- my poor memory doesn't clue me in to what else -- were lost. The scary thing is I think it was pre-meditated. I recall practicing sweeping my elbow against the mantel. It was some kind of hail mary commitment to my own private world. Instant regret and it obviously did nothing but embarrass me. I spent the night contemplating sitting on our thirteenth floor ledge but was scared. I thought if I could sit there, legs hanging down, I'd show myself how brave I was. So I sat on the radiator inside with legs out the open window, inching out until it seemed ridiculous. I've ruined work by working on it too much, taking it where it in contradictory nullifying directions. I've also neglected the stuff, which is tantamount to destroying it slowly. I've also been preemptive and recycled some long-worked clay too soon. I keep every scrap now and someone will have to cope with it when I'm gone. Luckily there's a creek nearby, for now, and it would make good landfill. My teacher spoke of how he once threw his early work out over a bridge. It was inspirational, perhaps I'll start with a few known duds. Some ceramic artists recycle work into mosaic. Taking a hammer to work is a badge of honor, of cool-headed appraisal and judgment, good choices and priorities. Not very fluxus.
Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff
O the Mark Twain Trio is wonderful! It is good they weren't swept away. On 4/22/06 3:04 PM, Kathy Forer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 22, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Allan Revich wrote: I remember when I was 20 or 21 I took a whole series, maybe more that a dozen paintings, each 4 feet by four feet, and burned them in the family fireplace. It felt good and I have never regretted it. There felt something vengeful about my act. Maybe spiteful. Confused and angry. There was catharsis, but then it was as though it had never happened, what was the point? Attention directed away from the stuff to the stuff-maker, objects annulled, repudiated, renounced (in Cecil's act) formally and publicly. But immediate regret, I had been attached to said objects made when I was all of ten, but special, hadn't really wanted to destroy them, just to no longer consider them as important. I made these same time, but they didn't get swept away. I'm glad they didn't. http://kforer.com/gallery/?album=figurative_narrativeimg=6 It could be that I've pursued only archaeology since that first regret, or it could be that's the basis of what I do, make, destroy, extract narrative, recreate.
Re: FLUXLIST: Today, nothing
Could be lovely! I'll start looking for nothing On 4/19/06 11:34 AM, Cecil Touchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should put together a compilation CD called The Nothing Album or Nothin' but Nothing with those songs, cage 4.33, and whatever else. We could throw in Imagine and call the album Imagine Nothing or maybe Nothing to Imagine cecil http://0-0-0-0.com David-Baptiste Chirot wrote: there's also the old dylan and the band song too much of nothing-- and the hank williams song i aint got nothing but time From: Reid Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Today, nothing Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:06:48 -0400 Do you remember the FUGS' song from the 60s that had the lyric: Monday nothing, Tuesday nothing, Wednesday, Thursday, nothing or something like that. Reid On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Allan Revich wrote: N o t h I n g April 19, 2006 Allan Revich _ Don¹t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: FLUXLIST: Today, nothing
The Copyeditor Says: I'm sorry, the correct phrase would be, I opened your e-mail _and_ there was nothing there. On 4/19/06 1:23 PM, Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kamen, I opened your e-mail but there was nothing there. Allan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kamen Nedev Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:57 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Today, nothing
Re: FLUXLIST: desiring books, there is no
Tastes like lemon curd. With a side of chicken. On 4/18/06 12:37 PM, badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why Roger, you, of all people, should know that spurned love is delicious! Particularly with marmalade. It's a shame to think of all that spurned love going to waste If only you'd had some toast. BG I once wrote Karen Eliot a love letter andshe spurned my love. She is a teaser. Have nothing to do withher. are you THE Karen Elliot of Neoist fame? Aren't we all? R~~
Re: FLUXLIST: Disposable Knife Interlude
Voice of experience, huh. On 4/8/06 4:53 PM, Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use yogurt. Rod http://stasick.org
Re: FLUXLIST: Your Kind of Town?
Hey, won't someone come to Minneapolis sometime? Ann K On 3/18/06 2:08 PM, LeClaire, Candace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to All, I will be visiting Chicago this week (March 20-26). Is there anyone in the area who would care the meet this slacker fluxlister for a drink (or two)? :?} Candace
Re: FLUXLIST: Grizzly Girl/Pardon the interruption
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Grizzly Girl/Pardon the interruption O babywouldnt ignore this. Its the story of a lot of our lives. AK On 2/27/06 8:59 AM, suse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon this rant--I know I shouldn't --ignor it of course if you like--perhaps it is not fluxus related--been ranting for days--spose I need a blog. Anyway, I am over and out fer awhile again after this one... so don't fret Grizzly Girl Or The Attack of the 50 Foot Woman, Or The Two Americas Revisited, Or How I became a Street Thug by Suse Allison I recently and intensely experienced a fall common to the humanoid; The dreaded dark night of the soul. What makes this particularly dangerous for me in particular is that I like to hit bottom. I don't know about other people, but I am almost happy when I finally hit bottom. I act it out with a joie de vivre that only the French can make sound as delectable as it is. Seems a paradox, no? Believe me, the falling itself is agony, the subtle, daily, slip-sliding is no picnic. Ah, but hitting the bottom somehow feels like home again. I am ready now, here, in desperation to march down the Middle of Main Street. I remember a movie poster from the early 60's. A lithograph featuring a gigantic woman, crushing the highways, picking up cars in her hands with vicious intent. I never saw the movie but the movie poster was enough; her sneer is what I feel. Her deranged scowl as she wreaks havoc on the civilized world is exactly what I have in mind. I am ready again, to March down the Middle of Main street--against traffic, just like Vesta Thomas used to do. Or As his friends call him, Vesta Arresta--so called for having the longest arrest record in Middletown History. Others call him bear, because they know him as one of the warmest, gentlest in Middletown History. So, what started the fall? I quit my job. Quitting a job is something I have been warned since childhood to never, ever, do. It is like jumping off a moving train or boat-- you will never catch up again. You need to wait until you get to a junction, a station to change trains, or a life boat at least to get you to the next place. Something. You don't just quit your job. Well, I did. I knew I would find other work. And I did. The only problem is that having been diagnosed with breast cancer and the subsequent surgeries and treatments have left me in reduced capacity to work--at least temporarily. Still, if you are living simply, as we do, one missed paycheck begins a devastating downward spiral as the paychecks disappear completely. An epidemic of famine hits the home finance department and tensions rise, things taken for granted become precious. And yet, I have done it before. Am I just that selfish? Of course I am--it is another way to beat yourself over the head as your outlook follows your finances into the abysmal downward spiral. I have jumped off the train before and the adventures I have had along the railroad tracks have been some of the most intensely beautiful moments of my life. The paradox again is that those moments give you back reason for staying on the train again in the first place. As you watch it disappearing round the bend. Affirmations of living are important to those who dwell often in melancholy. We would trade our lives for but a moment in the sun. But then comes remembrance, responsibility and the emotions that tie us to this earth. The fantasy, it turns out is not enough, a return to obscure torture is demanded.( remanded?) But the long dark night of the soul, after three or four sunrises does not seem so bad. It is no mystery to me why so many of the earliest religions worshipped the sun. What a super-yang-spirit-phenomenon with an accountability record like no other--except the moon. The moon! Ah, the moon! The Sumerians called her Sin. What a sultry-yin-spirit-perfectly diametrically opposed orb, with a compassion and regard like no other--except the sun! And when both are full and round, one comes up as the other goes down... So, why is one of the subtitles of this essay The two Americas...? Well, because when you are sliding down the slippery slope from security to despair, or, as in my case, you've already hit bottom-- you encounter and entirely different set of connections and possibilities. Points of view become clear from which you were previously occluded. At least in my experience, a stirring of compassion, not just the daily kind, with which you commiserate with acquaintances over casually--but the electrifying kind, the feel it in the blood kind, that makes you compassionate with the oppressed, or the starving, or the brutalized, or the merely innocent. It is not always apparent either. I am certain that others feel it. We only need to pay attention to the rants and tirades in our own speech. What angers you when you read the newspaper or watch the evening news?. Is it Abu graib? It is prices? Is it another politician revealed? It is when you begin to rail out loud when no one is
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually its used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldnt be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how its used, and how its disseminatedso video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, Vai Becker Jason Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD Cremaster 3 and saw many reviews claims that it's video art. I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called Father of Video Art, Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between video art (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performancesesp stuff that you couldnt, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and art video, which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually its used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldnt be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how its used, and how its disseminatedso video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, Vai Becker Jason Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD Cremaster 3 and saw many reviews claims that it's video art. I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called Father of Video Art, Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? I have heard that if you have too much foucault in the soup you should add raw potatoes. Works for me. AK On 2/21/06 2:54 PM, Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well that goes back again to the fundamental questions: What is art? What isnt art? Who gets to decide? Who gets to decide who can decide? How is the decision made? What criteria will be used to decide? Who decides on the criteria? Who has to agree? Who is allowed to disagree? Labels are always problematic, even though they are often convenient. Expert consensus seems to be the most frequently applied and accepted means of decision making, most of the time, for most people. But expert consensus is open to the same kind of questioning. i.e. Who is an expert? Who decides? Do all the experts have to agree? What if they disagree? Which expert is right? Can they all be right? Can they all be wrong? How many experts need to agree before there is consensus? I have been reading way too much Foucault! Allan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:27 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between video art (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performancesesp stuff that you couldnt, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and art video, which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually its used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldnt be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how its used, and how its disseminatedso video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, Vai Becker Jason Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD Cremaster 3 and saw many reviews claims that it's video art. I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called Father of Video Art, Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
Re: FLUXLIST: Sheik and Bake
On 2/21/06 2:57 PM, Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/jq72a Can I get Roses of the P M with Freedom Fries? Or how about an order of Persians (or are those only Canadian)?
Re: FLUXLIST: swords keep sweating in the sway
Was this the strange affair of Sister Meg O'Lomania and Father O'Blivion? Apparently out unconscioi have crossed somewheres . . . On 2/14/06 1:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there's a short story somewhere, which i seem to have lost, which started it all. based on a misinterpretation of a song from the sound of music. 'high on a hill was a lonely goathead' the story of ludwig hat, butler to vincent and cara van-hire, secret and forbidden love of sister meg o'lomania... i can remember the characters and basic plot (!) but i can't seem to rewrite it, i just freeze. perhaps because it's crap, perhaps... ;) Cool. Maybe you should write a whole novel that way! John Oh Odin's Underpants its a B(owman)LOG http://bowmansramblings.blogspot.com/ Visit the Freeformfreakout Organisation Online: http://www.freeformfreakoutorganisation.net
Re: FLUXLIST: Eric Dolphy with.........The Platters(!)
Rod, that's absolutely amazing! And hey--where can I get the Cherry album you mention playing? I do love Cherry too. Maybe we can trade--I have NY Jazz playing I Don't Know This World Without Don Cherry-- AK On 1/24/06 9:11 PM, Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A while back a couple of you mentioned that you liked Eric Dolphy, so here's something amazing that you may not have known about: Between 1953-1959, Dolphy had to play whatever kind of gigs that he could get. One of those gigs consisted of him playing live and on several records with the well-known vocal group, The Platters. Some screen shots from the movie Rock All Night can be seen and you'll notice that Dolphy is in the band and he is playing... not the flute, alto-sax or bass-clarinet but the BARITONE SAX(!) If you go here, you can see some frames taken from Roger Corman's Rock All Night film as well as some video excerpts that you'll probably find fascinating. http://adale.org/Discographies/RockAllNight.html Rod --- Now playing: Don Cherry (w/ Rena Rama) - Race Face
Re: FLUXLIST: Nte Forer at Flying Visit Symposium
Do let us all know when you'll be on this side--I'd love to do a little convention in NY around it . . . AK On 12/20/05 4:13 AM, Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm a tad late with everything these days and should have put this piece of documentation up weeks ago. Anyway I was lucky enough to meet Kathy Forer for a pint and a tour round the Jonathan Monk show at the ICA during the Fluxlist Flying Visit Symposium 2005. Glasses lifted to the list as usual http://www.fluxlist.com/flyingvisit/ lovely to meet you Kathy, let's make it longer next time.unfortunately due to financial issues (or lack of) my New York trip is postponed till next year so will be a while yet. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: ENNO
Aw yes-- your most beautiful act of architecture. I'm sure you are having a very beautiful holiday, Georg--I remember when my son was new (of course he remains so--) AK On 12/20/05 3:58 AM, Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: congratulations Georg...wishing your son a wonderful future :) cheers, Sol. On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Georg Birkner wrote: Dear Alan, Michael, Allan, Reid, Carol, Candace and Suse, Thank you so much for your kind words. Carol (I think it was Carol that was asking), yes, there's at least one picture of our beautiful son to see:-) : www.birkner.ch/enno.html . I think i cannot send pictures to the list (at least i can not receive any). heisseradassa! Georg
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxlist Dinner Dance
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxlist Dinner Dance Vegas, LA, NY, all are pretty cheap for me to fly to. On 7/27/05 9:01 PM, Bjrn Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaaahhh... a convention! I come! Vegas, Casablanca, St. Petersburg, Hong Kong, what suits all best? I look forward the Convention Dinner Dance! :) /Bjrn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:39 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxlist Dinner Dance In a message dated 7/26/05 7:11:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i would have danced all night! bests, carol xx I think we need a fluxus convention!
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxlist Dinner Dance
Super dashing! a more impressive pair I've never seen. On 7/26/05 6:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a splendid time was had by all, despite the fact that Sol was terribly hungover and I was hindered by having to drive back to Stoke oh, hang on...perhaps i may have muxed ip some of the details. we are quite dashing though, what, what?! :-D Sol Nte wrote: http://www.fluxlist.com/dinnerdance/ I feel the turnout was quite poor this year but we both had a good time ;) cheers, Sol. Oh Odin's Underpants its a B(owman)LOG http://bowmansramblings.blogspot.com/ Visit the Freeformfreakout Organisation Online: http://www.freeformfreakoutorganisation.net
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxlist Dinner Dance
On 7/25/05 10:04 AM, Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.fluxlist.com/dinnerdance/ I feel the turnout was quite poor this year but we both had a good time ;) cheers, Sol. Ah, the happy few! I do hope you danced . . . Myself, I was at Miekal's reading with Maria Damon in Minneapolis--really wonderful hypertext poetry, but unfortunately I took no photos. What was I thinking!
Re: FLUXLIST: Flux Pinkdrink Time
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Flux Pinkdrink Time From me (also a mom): Orange Julia 2 shots dark rum 1 cup crushed ice 1 tsp vanilla 1 cup orange juice Blenderize till fluffy and dont get brain freeze drinking it too fast. If you do, Mom says, you should huff, that is, open mouth and pant fast till temperature inside and out are equalized. On 5/22/05 8:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from mom: one shot vodka one scoop vanilla ice cream strawberries whip and I mean WHIP in blender better make that two shots
Re: FLUXLIST: ALLANISM
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: ALLANISM 8) Lets have a Fluxdrink together sometime soon! Allan Revich A Fluxdrink! What is it a solvent for? What does it precipitate? Recipes-- AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxdrink Time
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxdrink Time Ach nei its my view that ingestion is a perfectly personal affair. But if people would like to note what theyre hoisting and if they wish why (what does the drink do to them, whats the desired result?) that would be lovely. As noted, I usually think of drinks as dissolving something and leaving something in its place (water solvent to thirst, precipitates gratitude; whiskey solvent to thought, precipitates presence; milk solvent to oreos, precipitates memory and/or shame, so often the same thing; gin and tonic solvent to winter, precipates the desire to shed shoes; etc etc) --perhaps interesting to play this. An agreed time solstice, Midummers Day? (I believe called in England, what, St. Johns Eve, or Beltane, or some such?) Sundown? So its not simultaneous but rippling like a wave over the surface of darkening earth? On 5/16/05 9:48 AM, Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking that at an agreed time GMT we all get together virtually with the Fluxdrink our choice and raise a glass to the Fluxlist. Since Ann has asked the really hard intellectual-type questions, perhaps she can volunteer to score the Fluxdrink event? Allan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:11 AM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: ALLANISM 8) Lets have a Fluxdrink together sometime soon! Allan Revich A Fluxdrink! What is it a solvent for? What does it precipitate? Recipes-- AK
Re: FLUXLIST: well, did you evah?
Geez, do you have to speak Italian? I am a hyperqualified English and art teacher. Kid experience. AK On 4/13/05 4:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to stop me having to get me guitar out an waking the babies up... does anyone know the chords for cole porter's 'well did you evah?' i want to play it with the kids at work tomorrow, can't find it via interniente and cant get me guitar out to try as it goes against condominium rules - i can play the guitar as loud as i like, just not cole porter! them's the rules... ps... anyone want a job at the international school of venice? full time class teacher, rubbish wages but great school, great kids, nice place, FANTASTIC boss alan
Re: FLUXLIST: Also NYC,
What day? I think you're talking about next week? I'll be there the following week . . . AK On 3/19/05 10:58 PM, Crispin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we should meet at the whitney in ere for sure that day.. so come on meryl meet us and all of those who might be interested in having a fluxlist outing ... come one come all Whitney museum of art.. 12 noon in the lobby we will be recognized by our pure white trash look.. crispin --- Meryl Gross2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But where exactly? We want the specifics Unky Don. We need the itinerary, if for no other reason than to blow it all to hell. And when I say we, of course I mean me (or, grammatically, I). Like dim sum, do you? BG - Original Message - From: Don Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Also NYC, OK, soYou said you could meet so and so but not a word about us, the Mad losers from Mount Vernon, OHIO! What gives? We'll be there Mondday through Wednesday. -Uncle Don http://www.doneboyd.com check out my website for the latest images! PLEASE CHECK OUT MY WEBSITE http://www.crispinwebb.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
FLUXLIST: Also NYC, but later
I'll also be in NY, but later this month and into the next--will visit from March 31-April 4. Who is there? Could we meet? Ann Klefstad
Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia
Well, me. I'm just out there unaffiliated. AK On 3/12/05 4:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some questions: where would fluxus be today with out academia? am i wrong to say/think that fluxus is tied to academia? how many people on list do you think have no ties to the academic system? -david
Re: FLUXLIST: Shameless gulp
For clarity of mind I find that said V works well as a massage. On 3/4/05 9:14 AM, badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't seem that the wine is working for you. You would most likely benefit from a large amount of Vodka. Twice daily, at least. BG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/03 Thu PM 08:42:11 EST To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Shameless gulp sorry--I HAVE HAD TOO MUCH WINE--oops didnt mena to capitalize-Dawg
Re: FLUXLIST: a fluxus experience
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: a fluxus experience On 2/23/05 5:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/16/05 4:22:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stoot a tipee witt a weegwom i would love to know a little (a lot) more about this book... sorry about the delay-been gone- the book is called Hiawatta witt no odder poems by Milt Gross-the book states he is the creator of Nize Baby- it was printed in 1928- which is interesting since that was the surrealism era-but I can't figure out if its influenced by that or not. Dawg Sounds more like it is influenced by Krazy Kat, or the other humorous lit etc inspired by Yiddish and other immigrant accents. Krazy has much the same utterly homey mamaloschen charm mixed with antic wit. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: stewart (nobody) home
Yeah, I once saw in a directory a urologist name of Semen Glasscock. My favorite of all, though, is the primate of Manila, Cardinal Sin. AK On 2/23/05 5:51 PM, Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 23 2005, at 17:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/18/05 8:31:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eduard Fuchs, author of The History of Erotic Art, interesting name for his livelihood-Herb Caen used to call that name-freakism. Like my daddy!!! Rod --- Now playing: Bernard Parmegiani - L' ¦il Écoute
Re: FLUXLIST: Stewart (t'aint nobody) Home,
On 2/23/05 7:38 PM, Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds more like it is influenced by Krazy Kat, or the other humorous lit etc inspired by Yiddish and other immigrant accents. Krazy has much the same utterly homey mamaloschen charm mixed with antic wit. I gotta get me sum o' that Utterly Homey Mama Lotion --- Now playing: Oneness Of Juju - Tarishi ? Heaven, as conventionally conceived, is a place so inane, so dull, so useless, so miserable, that nobody has ever ventured to describe a whole day in heaven, though plenty of people have described a day at the seaside. -- George Bernard Shaw Actually, Mark Twain did , to pretty comic effect. It's an unfinished novel, title I've forgotten, something to do with Captain Somebody, and features the rude awakening of a very male person in a very female imaginary of heaven (harps, wings, songs)--which of course most imaginaries of christian heaven seem to be.
Re: FLUXLIST: Stewart! (git yer *ss) Home,
On 2/23/05 8:26 PM, Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 23 2005, at 20:07, Ann Klefstad wrote: Actually, Mark Twain did , to pretty comic effect. It's an unfinished novel, title I've forgotten, something to do with Captain Somebody, and features the rude awakening of a very male person in a very female imaginary of heaven (harps, wings, songs)--which of course most imaginaries of christian heaven seem to be. Really? And what did he actually use this lotion for? Massaging the language, I guess Rod --- Now playing: Sibylle Pomorin - Prayer For The Sun Before Traveling Elämä on kuuma päivä, kenties kuolema on viileä yö. Elämä on matala poukama, kenties kuolema on kirkas, syvä vesi. -- Mika Waltari
FLUXLIST: Edible books
Title: Edible books O Judith-- I have a writer working on a story about the highlow teas, edible books, etc., and she hasnt been able to reach you through the books email addresses etc. Could you send me offlist contact information for her? Shes a poet and interesting person and would do a great article for the web-based journal I edit, mnartists.org Thanks! AK
Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? Ah but msieu chirot has the purest of souls. On 2/4/05 2:44 PM, badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David B/C: As you bear a striking resemblance to Serge Gainsbourg, I'm quite taken aback to hear you grew up in Vermont. Vermont must be more louche than I imagined. BG From: David-Baptiste Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/04 Fri PM 02:51:12 EST To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? home made blue flame coffee home squeezed grapefruit juice i have a hankering to drink in some of thew snow melt trickling gaily down the streets towards pooling puddles- yet is the city-- so --better no to to! yet the desire doesn't go away-- growing up in vermont we'd drink freely of this melt, so cool and fesh and smelling slightly of pine . . . ] From: Cecil Touchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:57:45 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tequila tonic port wine and cavier -- __ Touchon Co Fine Art and Objects Classic Style - Est. Geneva, Switzerland 1901 GENEVA/touchon.ch tel.+41(0)22-580-28-28 NEW YORK/touchon.com tel.+1-646-405-7232 LONDON/touchon.co.uk tel.+44 (0)20-7019-6363 MEXICO/casadelartista.com tel.+52-777-313-4675 MSN Premium helps protect against viruses, hackers, junk e-mail pop-ups. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2755??PS=47575
Re: FLUXLIST: what you all doing in my house?
On 1/16/05 6:31 AM, Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alan who, somewhat spooked at having these unexpected guests, feels he should perhaps go and put some trousers on O don't. I'm right over here and I've almost finished this drawing . . . . No, I am not there, I am here. bibiana padilla maltos wrote: I am here. You are there.
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: OPen letter to Eric Anderson
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: OPen letter to Eric Anderson On 1/9/05 10:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/9/2005 1:14:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: kicked off the list forgive me for being new and inquisitive but i've been wondering what it takes for someone to be kicked off fluxlist. it must be something really really naughty... yes? paul arnaud brandt It was a stupid and endless gibing and poking at and insulting of another list member. Together with a couple of others. Sort of schoolyard bully stuff, because of course no one could do anything about it but suffer it. It went on and on, for weeks, til everyone started leaving the list or at least leaving Fluxlist postings unread. The thing was dying as a result of the spite of a couple of people. So thats why. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: from allen bukoff
Allen is right. Fluxus has devolved into the sad spectacle of those who originally disdained canonicity desperately trying to ensure the presence of their own work in the canon. It's a bit pathetic. Fluxus, the original entity, has become a collection of objects and texts of interest only to academics, such as Hannah Higgins, bless her good intentions, whose new PhD will only sift another layer of dust over the legacy that she's preserving. Shows of Fluxus artifacts, like the one at the Walker Art Center a couple of years ago, are an incredible yawn, heaps of paper in vitrines. They are evidence of the end of the thing. Fluxus isn't meant to be an archive, it's meant to be a practice, and such practices cannot be owned. The current discourse around the idea of copyright that has been sparked by the internet illuminates this as well. There is a potential in the net for great and radical changes in the notion of the creative practice and its relation to the individual and to the culture at large. This potential is intimately related to the possibilities that Fluxus opened. So why, then, do later practicitioners want a relation to the name Fluxus? Why don't we simply call it something else, Flewage, whatever? Because the practice known as Fluxus is a legitimate component in what is happening, and it's weird and cumbersome to be forced to ignore it, a kind of falsification. Plus, to stop using the word is to acknowledge that a group of people who once pursued the practice own the word and its attributes, even own the practice. It's sort of like being disowned by one's parents. If my father insisted that the name Klefstad was his, and that all the characteristics that it implied stopped with him, because he owned the word and its attributes, and said, Find your own name, that would be analogous to the sad and paranoid behavior of the Fluxus artists I've witnessed, from the Anderson/Friedman feud to the notion that the term Fluxus was reserved for the chosen few, even if that meant that the practice was doomed. I think we should just hijack the word. Ann Klefstad On 1/7/05 9:27 AM, Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allen Bukoff has asked me to forward this to all. I request that you all read it and give it just consideration. Allen, in my opinion, has had more to offer on the 'Fluxus' front than many in recent years. Wether the F word matters or not is one thing, Allen and Fluxus Midwest has/have provided a valuable source of fluxus art amusement over the years, and before it goes... CHECK OUT http://fluxus.org and it's related sites. ab MESSAGE FOLLOWS Many are called, but none are now chosen. An open letter to 1st and 2nd generation Fluxus AYO Eric Andersen Henry Flynt Ken Friedman Geoff Hendricks Alison Knowles Larry Miller Yoko Ono Nam June Paik Ben Patterson Carolee Schneemann Ben Vautier Lamonte Young Emmet Williams -other names to be added to this list, as I distribute it. 6 January 2005 Dear Fluxus, I was very fond of Emily Harvey. I miss her a lot. I am sorry I will not be there to help you honor and remember Emily Harvey tonight. Emily Harvey's passing marks a passing for me, too. I am walking away from Fluxus. It is, unfortunately, unnecessary to announce my departure: most of you don't even know me. You probably didn't even realize that I am a part of Fluxus and that I operate and host a number of websites that have promoted Fluxus for the last nine years. And none of you have ever acknowledged that I am, in fact, an active Fluxus artist who has pioneered new little directions and forged new sensibilities in Fluxus for more than 20 years now. That is why I am leaving. Twenty years ago I fell in love with Fluxus and the monumental creative revolutions you all initiated more than 40 years ago. You changed and expanded what creativity and knowing means. You changed Western culture. You changed the world. You ripped a new hole in the universe. And you did it with simple little ideas, games, objects, performances, and concepts. I will always admire your astonishing accomplishments. What you did was so big that no historian, writer, collector, or curator has ever gotten their arms around it satisfactorily. But an equally astonishing thing has been going on in Fluxus for the last twenty years. You have been letting Fluxus die. At one time you welcomed people to Fluxus. You recruited people to Fluxus. I know you have always been a contentious lot, but there was a time when the Fluxus door was open, you invited people in, and you made it grow. You embraced a second wave of Fluxus artists-e.g., Ken Friedman, Larry Miller. You encouraged new Fluxus work and new Fluxus projects. But as far as I can tell, this pretty much stopped 20 or more years ago (Friedman's Young Fluxus show in 1982 is the last time any of you sponsored
Re: FLUXLIST: prodge eckt
I'm up for it, perhaps you'd like to publish it also on mnartists.org (the website for which I am the features editor). I can find out if the rest of the mgmt group is up for that. AK On 12/5/04 10:45 AM, Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear all, i've been thinking (and my god did it hurt!). it's about time for another Fluxlist project! I was looking at the 'happy new ears' book recently, perhaps we could do something in book form again? What about a Fluxlist document? a digital document of drawings, texts, scores with Fluxlist as the theme - perhaps to be published in PDF format only, leaving printing, construction of a book entirely optional? I did an e-mail alterations project some years back, perhaps a document of drawings done on/by computers (BW), visual poetry etc I dunnojust a thought anybody want to join in thinking about this? a (whose brain is turning to sponge) visit the FREEFORMFREAKOUT ORGANISATION online! http://freeformfreakoutorganisation.net
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V4 #71
It was since I was 12 my dearest vice and companion, when broke I rolled Bugler out of can, Canada was a good place to live in part because you could get Sweet Caporal tobacco in a tin, but when I was pregnant the first time at 33 or so cigarettes made me puke, and so I quit. And as it's not quite fair to smoke with children in the house (though my mother smoked), I didn't start again. That was 15 years ago and I still miss it, daily. I think when I'm 70 I'll take it up again. Nothing to lose, you know. AK On 9/30/04 12:36 AM, JJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a smoker! I tried it for a pack...not my thing. ex posto facto --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are there any people on this list that do not smoke i no longer smoke - i am 3 weeks smoke -free horray for me! = 1994-2004 10 Years of Fluxus Bucks! Surprising the Network one Fluxus Buck at a time... Mail me art---or a request for Fluxus Bucks! Dr. Victoria Fluxbuxenstein p.o. box 495522 Garland, TX 75049-5522 USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: FLUXLIST: Reading Matters
I've been reading Christopher Logue's really fantastic retellings of the Iliad, lots sexier than Troy by many powers of 10. The Husbands is one, All Day Permanent Red the most recent. There are more. Also lately anything by any Roth seems great. Most recently Joseph Roth's Radetzky March and his Holy Drinker (may have the title askew--) The Furies by Fernanda Eberhardt. Butcher's Wife by Louise Erdrich, not all great but w/ great passages. Of course and always Trilce and Posthumous Poems by Cesar Vallejo. And a spate of mid-20th century stuff, poems by Williams, Olson, Berryman. Pound's Cantos. And even some Patchen! Who can be skinmeltingly lovely. And that sweet man John Clare. Some kind of cultural salvation there, if only we could get at it--I've got some essays on his work if anyone would care to read them. Send me offlist message and I'll forward, if you wish. AK On 7/13/04 2:41 AM, michael leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering what the other members of the Fluxlist were reading at the moment(besides this e-mail)- books especially, that they recommend or they have enjoyed reading just lately. I used to read quite a lot but these days I find it quite tough going to plough through a novel but Hazel enjoyed this book and passed it onto me. It's called The Curious Incident of the Dog In the Night-time(Don't let the long winded title put you off!) by Mark Haddon. Published in the u.k., by Definitions. It's about a 15 year old boy who suffers from Aspergers Syndrome and his quest to find out who killed the neighbours dog. It's quite funny and sometimes quite sad and written in an engaging dead-pan style with helpful diagrams and pictures. Michael ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Dialectic inquiry in Secret Fluxus
with the scores through close reading and inquiry, debating the issues and bringing out from the works what we hope is a new and reflective approach to the ideas and possibilities inherent in the work. We do sometimes worry about whether we are simply engaged in preservation or nostalgic recreation. We dont think this is the case, but the dialectic is a healthy reminder of what we do not want to be or to become. Thank you once again for a thoughtful reminder. Sincerely, Secret Fluxus From: Ann Klefstad Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Kitsch Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:25:40 -0700 My understanding of the nature of kitsch is that its the commodified sublime. It comes out of an era that sought the sublime in art something that likely is impossible, at least in terms of the Kantian sublime, that experience that sort of strips the gears of perception, you know. But seemingly representations of landscapes personifying the sublime were accepted as sublime artworks (and this was true of poems, paintings, music). Kitsch appears to be the response to the desire for the sublime. The sublime, in an industrial landscape or a commodified life, is a sort of negative space, a perpetually deferred longed-for experience that people attempt to fill by means of acquisition. Artifacts of wish-fulfillment that is, representations of absent or impossible situations that promise sublimity but cannot deliver it are acquired and quickly used up, they become useless. And so more must be purchased. Kitsch/Sublime becomes a kind of engine of consumption, the way a commodified culture paves its road toward the desired consummation with the sublime, a road made of discarded dreck, more of which is always needed. In terms of this notion of kitsch, secret fluxus performances are only kitsch in that they are place-holders for an experience that is arising directly out of life and the dictates of current culture/history, an experience of invention. The place-holder is the revived performance, that does have a air of nostalgia about it. I think whats being discussed here is the oddity of the preservation of ephemera, and perhaps the point is that truly fluxus acts are not the revivification of old (now culturally out-of-place or anachronistic) performances, but the creation of new ones that have authentic immediacy. Of course this criticism could apply to other performances; its just much more pointed with regard to fluxus because fluxus always had as a subtext that sort of taoist regard for appropriate immediacy, act as response to context or current state of affairs. So in some sense, preserved, salted-down performances, as a primary activity instead of an occasional apposite homage, could be seen in some sense as kitschy, as place-holding entities that are empty and thus that need to be endlessly repeated. AK _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
Re: FLUXLIST: Kitsch
My understanding of the nature of kitsch is that it's the commodified sublime. It comes out of an era that sought the sublime in art--something that likely is impossible, at least in terms of the Kantian sublime, that experience that sort of strips the gears of perception, you know. But seemingly representations of landscapes personifying the sublime were accepted as sublime artworks (and this was true of poems, paintings, music). Kitsch appears to be the response to the desire for the sublime. The sublime, in an industrial landscape or a commodified life, is a sort of negative space, a perpetually deferred longed-for experience that people attempt to fill by means of acquisition. Artifacts of wish-fulfillment--that is, representations of absent or impossible situations that promise sublimity but cannot deliver it--are acquired and quickly used up, they become useless. And so more must be purchased. Kitsch/Sublime becomes a kind of engine of consumption, the way a commodified culture paves its road toward the desired consummation with the sublime, a road made of discarded dreck, more of which is always needed. In terms of this notion of kitsch, secret fluxus performances are only kitsch in that they are place-holders for an experience that is arising directly out of life and the dictates of current culture/history, an experience of invention. The place-holder is the revived performance, that does have a air of nostalgia about it. I think what's being discussed here is the oddity of the preservation of ephemera, and perhaps the point is that truly fluxus acts are not the revivification of old (now culturally out-of-place or anachronistic) performances, but the creation of new ones that have authentic immediacy. Of course this criticism could apply to other performances; it's just much more pointed with regard to fluxus because fluxus always had as a subtext that sort of taoist regard for appropriate immediacy, act as response to context or current state of affairs. So in some sense, preserved, salted-down performances, as a primary activity instead of an occasional apposite homage, could be seen in some sense as kitschy, as place-holding entities that are empty and thus that need to be endlessly repeated. AK On 7/2/04 8:50 AM, secret fluxus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Madawg, As the current secretary for Secret Fluxus, Ill try to answer your question as I see it. Ill be meeting the others next week, and if they disagree with my answer, Ill report back. While Im only speaking for myself for now, my guess is that the others will take a similar view. Ive checked with the member who is best versed in art history, and this reply incorporates the advice I received. The answer is that we do not feel that we are doing kitsch. According to your definition, kitsch is an art form that looks back to the past. We are not looking back to the past. The work we perform is alive and contemporary when we perform it. Many performable works are far older that anything by the Fluxus artists and composers. Any drama or music written before 1960 is older than Fluxus. No one asks whether performing Euripides, Shakespeare, or Ibsen is kitsch. No one asks an orchestra that performs Handel, Scriabin, or Monteverdi (George Maciunas favourite composer) if they feel that they are doing kitsch. So, the answer is no. Using your definition, we do not feel that we are doing kitsch. Our art history expert points out that kitsch should not be confused with the earlier Romantic painting that is the distant source of much contemporary kitsch. Todays painting of the sublime mountain sunset may be kitsch. When the Romantics first painted such scenes during the industrial revolution, they were not kitsch. They were a response to changing times, a response to the conflict between the industrial landscape that was changing the face of Europe and a look backward toward an idealized but deeply felt past. Had you been a displaced cottager forced for lack of work to move from a country village to the new industrial cities of Northern England, you might have looked back to your country home without being accused of sentimentalising. The nobility and the rich industrial and merchant class patrons who could afford paintings also preferred the clean air and pleasant surrounding of their country estates to the dirty air and noise of the cities. This is mope complicated than the short description I give here, but the kind of easel paining that might be kitsch today was not kitsch when it was a genuine part of its time. Thomas Kincaid is kitsch. Odd Nerdrum has apparently claimed that he is a kitsch painter. No one who painted in the early industrial revolution would have made such a claim. The themes they painted were part of a larger project and a greater debate. This debate remained significant through much of the industrial era, a fact that can readily be seen in Martin
Re: FLUXLIST: old Address book listings
Alice-- the email (both) for me is wrong, a typo in one and one is old: Ann Klefstad 5913 London Road Duluth, MN 55804 (H)218-525-3037 (cell)218-393-9149 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Otherwise fine! AK On 6/25/04 7:42 PM, aliceklar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 28 people on old list. please have a look - and let me know if there is updating that needs to occur. i suppose now is a good time to take on new addresses as well--- Reed Altemus P.O. Box 52 Portland, ME 04112 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] John M. Bennett LUNA BISONTE PRODS. 137 Lelenad Ave. Columbus, OH 43214 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.geocities.com/pipeline/4838/1bp.html Alan Bowman Via Lorenzago 15 (int 7) 30174 MestreVenezia ITALIA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don Boyd P.O. Box 349 Fredericktown, OH 43019 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] NBB/ Nancy Burr 6808 16th Ave. N.E. Seattle, WA 98115-6841 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jennifer Chiarell 12 North Road Dixmont, ME 04932 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Baptiste Chirot 1767 N. Arlington PL. #28 Milwaukee, WI 53202 USA Alex Cook 12008 Horton #53 Overland Park, KS 66209 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://alexvcook.homestead.com Kathy Forer 505 Lowst Point Rd. Locust, NJ 07760 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kforer.com Meryl Gross 134 Mercer St. Jersey City, NJ 07302 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julie Jeffries P.O. Box 495522 Garland, TX 75049-5522 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bernice Kew 288 Kathleen St. Guelph, Ontario N1H 4Y5 CANADA ?//-\\? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan Holmes 7196 Granite Square Station Antrium, NH 03824 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Holmes P.O. Box 88 Hillsboro, NH 03244 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] aliceklar c/o D.A.P. 155 6th Ave. 2nd Floor New York, NY 10013 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ann Klefsted 5913 London Rd. Duluth, MN 55804 USA 218-525-3037 (home) 218-393-9149 (studio) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Lane 4 W. Chestnut Apt. 5 Mount Vernon, OH 43050 USA Melissa McCarthy P.O. Box 6742 Lakeport, NH 03247-6742 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 603-527-3729 Lisa Moren 2308 Tucker Lane Baltimore, MD 21207 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sol Nte 97 Century Street Hanley Stoke-on-Trent Staffordshire ST1 5HY UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sol123.com Clemente Padin C. Correo Central 1211 11000 Montevideo, URUGUAY tel. + (598 2) 506 0885 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Norman Sherfield 84-Rooms! 10308 Odell Avenue Sunland, CA 91040-3006 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Benjamin Solotaire 25-16 27th St. #3B Astoria, NY 11102 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sqot Spear 537 River Road Windham, ME 04062 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] kraag.org (on FLUXLIST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol Starr P.O. Box 2472 Taos, NM USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http;//laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html Rod Stasick 10455 Sinclair Ave. Dallas, TX 75218 USA 214-327-5962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger Stevens Sidegate Cottage Staplecross Road Northiam East Sussex TN31 6JP UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crispin Webb 4 West Chestnut, Apt. #5 Mount Vernon, OH 43050 USA 740-397-9114 studio 740-397-6862 ext. 1073 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: FLUXLIST: Dick Higgins and Something Else Press in new RAIN TAXI journal
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Dick Higgins and Something Else Press in new RAIN TAXI journal O sorry, the search functions are so clumsy on this site (not my responsibility)-- go to http://mnartists.org, then type in VACUM as noted, w/ quote marks, in search box, then click on any of the people that come up, say Wojahn, and that will take you to the VACUM homepage. Alternatively, go to the site, then click on Organizations, and then find us from there. Sorry. AK On 6/24/04 7:20 PM, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just saw tooalso, the next issue of Rain Taxi (which is published in Minnesota) will feature the VACUM Attachment, an insert of writing on visual arts (issues, books, events) by the members of VACUM (Visual Arts Critics Union of Minnesota) , of which I am a charter member. Im doing a thing on nature photography from about 5 miles up. For more on VACUM, go to the website of which I am news and features editor, mnartists.org, and type in VACUM in search line. Youll see about half of our distinguished crew. I particularly like Mark Wojahn in avant garde orange. AK On 6/24/04 7:12 PM, David-Baptiste Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everybody-- just found the new issue of RAIN TAXI journal--and there is a two page article re Dick Higgins and Something Else Press-- article is by Steven Clay, publisher of Granary Books-- several others and their books also mentioned -- Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel Guide! http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2746??PS=47575
Re: FLUXLIST: secret fluxus
Ah, you pair of hoopy froods are good to have around. AK On 6/8/04 5:38 AM, Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sol, Sol, Sol, where are you Alan, you know I'm lurking as ever. Working really hard at the moment, watching the sun from inside my little office/greenhouse (yes, UK warm weather and no air con). I don't know if secret fluxus have started a serious list...I would imagine it would be a secret list so we'll probably never know. Of course Secret Fluxus could be a secret agent like Secret Squirrel or Fox Mulder. 42 could well be the answer, glad to see you know where your towel is. Regards to your embryonic army ;) cheers, Sol. - Original Message - From: Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: FLUXLIST: secret fluxus are/is secretfluxus still on the list, or have they gone off to start a 'serious' one? i hope so/not (no really!) it all sort vof blew over very quickly and i feel non the wiser as to what they are all about (apart from the 'performance ensemble' bit) does anyone know the answer (i heard it was 42) Sol, Sol, Sol, where are you
Re: FLUXLIST: secret public fluxus: theoretical/historical/practical notes questions
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: secret public fluxus: theoretical/historical/practical notes questions David this is so dazzling, love the notion of Zaum/Dada Zada, you must be indeed the Cloud in Trousers, Mayakovsky in a more wastrel era, your account of the texture of the day, your flow of time, mingled with thought, this is indeed fluxus in life if anything is. Thanks for these things that you send. They illuminate a way that I forget how to follow from time to time. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: secret public fluxus: theoretical/historical/practical notes questions
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: secret public fluxus: theoretical/historical/practical notes questions And something this made me remember: One of the most beautiful things I ever saw was a white tent fly thumbtacked over the window of a hotel room I was living in, its sheer cupped shape breathing with a small summer breeze during an unexpected, unseasonal long month of sunshine in San Francisco. Sixteenth and Valencia, sky bluer than it had ever been, and this white membrane breathing, peacefully excited. A redbrick cornice just periodically visible in its exhalations. A beginning and end of a possible life.
Re: FLUXLIST: collabrative story
This I can do. AK On 5/6/04 10:37 AM, Josh Ronsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Fellow Fluxlisters, I am starting a new story project, an exquisite corpse. Let me know if you want to participate, and the more who do the better. I will send a sentence to the first person on the list, who then must write a second sentence and send it back to me. I will then send the second sentence to the next person on the list and so on. I will only write the first sentence. I plan on going through the list a few tmes. Who's in? -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
Re: FLUXLIST: FW: Commercial products in scores
books I purchased for myself was a collection of classical myths, primarily Greek and Roman. I bought it at a bookshop in Laguna Beach on our first visit to California. Greek mythology was an enormous interest to me. The archetypal themes found in Greek mythology recur in literature, drama and art. While much of the mythological material is clear, it is often disguised and themes are borrowed and reworked. George Polti's book, The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations, states that there are only thirty-six basic plots in the entire history of drama. Many of these appear in the myths. This piece was a doubled reworking. First, I took ordinary material artifacts, exploring their nature as objects in a highly material culture by endowing them with the virtue of actors. Then, I doubled the myth back on itself by dignifying them with the attributes of the original myth. Many events create a theater of the object. Objects act or participate in the action. The first version of this event is such a project. The later version turns the myth back on itself by using images of women. The meaning of the piece changes based on the choice of image, the obvious or subtle nature of the source, the character of the model and the pose. This, too, is a statement on the character and effect of myth. The piece may be realized with one apple that is moved by viewers as they make different choices in a transformative dialogue among visitors and viewers, with each viewer changing or accepting the condition of the piece. It is also possible to use a large basket of Golden Delicious apples, allowing visitors to stack fruit in front of the chosen object as a form of referendum or poll on viewer preferences. -- There may be more, but I can't think of them off-hand. I hadn't thought about these in terms of product placement opportunities. This opens new possibilities for my retirement. Give my regards to Ann Klefstad! Best regards, Ken Friedman Dear Mr. Friedman, We recall seeing a score for an event that used commercial food items. Are we mistaken? We can't find it now. It would be useful to share in a discussion on Fluxlist. Can you help us to locate a copy? Thank you. Secret Fluxus Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 07:35:47 +0100 From: secret fluxus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: RE: FLUXLIST-digest V4 #368 Dear Ann, This is a funny idea. We remember seeing a score by Ken Friedman that involved a situation where products became the central figures in some kind of drama or radio play. In an odd way, this was also George Maciunas' idea with the Fluxus product lines. His view seems to have been that art was a fetishized commodity, and that therefore, producing art as a mass commodity in the form of multiples, gags, and jokes was an antidote to the damage that fetishized art caused to revolutionary culture. The difference between the two approaches was the difference between using existing products or making your own. Sincerely, Secret Fluxus Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:00:51 -0500 From: Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Thomas Kinkade? Not the most famous. John Berger? Not the first. On 4/9/04 11:10 AM, badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I would very much like to officially found the Weetabix Group. Details to come (if any). BadgerGirl Perhaps we could found chapters all over, all named differently. I dibs Cheesits. Non-defunct snack product avatars could perhaps expect funding from their fetish company. When history becomes product placement, peace and plenty will descend on the world like the massive bottom of a broody hen. Don't you think? AK _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger _ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
Re: FLUXLIST: Thomas Kinkade? Not the most famous. John Berger? Not the first.
On 4/9/04 11:10 AM, badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I would very much like to officially found the Weetabix Group. Details to come (if any). BadgerGirl Perhaps we could found chapters all over, all named differently. I dibs Cheesits. Non-defunct snack product avatars could perhaps expect funding from their fetish company. When history becomes product placement, peace and plenty will descend on the world like the massive bottom of a broody hen. Don't you think? AK
Re: FLUXLIST: NYTimes.com Article: Circuit Benders Unlock the Long Riffs in Short-Circuits
Have not been to said festivals but there are many people here (Duluth,Minnesota) who do the circuit bending--Tim Kaiser (search web for his site, also he can make you some great instruments--a little device that will reverse a note is my fave, attach comes after release, you know--including a theremin built on an old dial telephone that he made as a christmas present for my kids last year), Logan, Christian McShane and his partner Aaron Molina who together are If thousands (really wonderful stuff, also have website) (Christian also writes a column and some music features for the website I edit for the Walker, mnartists.org) and others who do their stuff on Experimental Tuesdays at the Norshor , which is now done every other Thursday at the Duluth Art Institute and at Harbor City International School. It is a great, great worldlet. AK On 4/9/04 11:26 AM, allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting this, Kathy. I just spent part of my morning having fun online exploring the creative world and culture of Circuit Breaking. You been to any of the festival, Kathy (or anyone else on Fluxlist?). Report! Report! http://thetanknyc.com/bent/artists.html http://absurdity.biz/Circuit%20Bending/Bent.htm Circuit Benders Unlock the Long Riffs in Short-Circuits April 8, 2004 By MATTHEW MIRAPAUL A DARTH VADER voice changer. A small library of educational Touch Tell toys. A battery of Happy Rock drum machines. Thomas Uliasz came to play. But in his hands, those toys were not meant to amuse a roomful of unruly preschoolers. Mr. Uliasz had HOW TO ADVERTISE - For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
Re: FLUXLIST: a few more words
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: a few more words Wait a minute. That wasnt provident reality but provident realty. Hm. Maybe even better . . . On 2/26/04 3:51 PM, suse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Boost Your Car's Gas Mileage 27%+, diacritic burnt sneer fish (emphasis mine) bandwagon dehydrate bakersfield cigarette clara irwin batt debenture compromise provident realty specify seagull chine curb pliancy igor char ocarina timothy contraceptive alsop
FLUXLIST: FW: Attention This improbable place.btu
Title: FW: Attention This improbable place.btu The poetry, the poetry! Such yet was not What economy! AK -- Forwarded Message From: Erika Henley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Erika Henley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:24:33 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Attention This improbable place.btu getaway Dear Friend! After some years we again have returned. We offer the unique offer. Such yet was not. Our new resource. It is very big and various portal. All categories for adults. All your imaginations. More than 100 places. Attention. All this free-of-charge. It not a deceit! See Now! http://love.v-stock.biz/bef/ quasiperiodic Best regards, Erika Henley blanch You have received it because are our user. If it not so, we shall rem0ve http://love.v-stock.biz/mey/safety.php your data. -- End of Forwarded Message
Re: FLUXLIST: plastic words
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: plastic words On 2/27/04 10:20 AM, Steve Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to compile a list of words for plastic: bakelite, pleather, acrylic, cellophane, etc. Help would be greatly appreciated. I'll post the text when complete. Thanks to all. Steve Armstrong Publisher Wegway P. O. Box 157 Station A Toronto, Ontario Canada M5W 1B2 416 712 2716 http://www.wegway.com Does Celluloid count? Naugahyde, vinyl, PVC, Saran Wrap, Melmac, polyester, resin, Modacrylic, epoxy, Perspex, Lexan, Fiberglas, glassine
Re: FLUXLIST: not fluxus
Hey, that guy could be my groupie any time. AK On 2/16/04 12:13 PM, allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my current projects is working with Candy Band, a rock band of four suburban Detroit mothers who have put nursery rhymes kids' theme music to rock. I recently created a blog or daily diary for them to capture snippets from their various lives. It seems to have some charm (or is it only me?). www.candyband.com/diary visit here to see photo of this strange 52-year old man who was promoting this blog at their Saturday concert http://www.candyband.com/diary/blogpromo.html
Re: FLUXLIST: New Website
But where is it? AK On 1/21/04 12:04 PM, Melissa McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to all the new Fluxlist members! I've been busy working with a web wizard to get a website up and running, and now it is -- more images will be added, but I'd love some input. There's a link to some Fluxus/Fluxlist stuff; let me know what should be added. Love from the frozen North, Melissa (New Hampshire, USA) Melissa McCarthy Hours: whimsical or by appointment Adult, maybe; grown-up, never! [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=byoa/premST=1
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus vs fluxus
Yes, show is documented, digi photos of the show itself, and video of performances (2 evenings), Hannah's, and a performance by music students and art education students (oddly, the Fine Art students didn't participate. The art ed students came in numbers) of a new composition based on some of Dick's sound/typography pieces, and of some of the event scores in the show. The third evening of performance, the flux-related one of regional performers (dance, music, etc) had to be indefinitely postponed as, a day before it was scheduled to happen, the venue (the venerable NorShor Theater, a stalwart producer of interesting and odd performance of all kinds, our own little Kitchen/CBGBs/LaMaMa avatar) closed abruptly, locked door, and we couldn't even get in to get PA to move performance. Arg. It will happen, but it'll have to wait til after my own show opens Dec 18. As will the construction of website with these images. Will happen, will happen! Promise. AK On 11/26/03 10:14 AM, Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi ann, good to hear 'first hand' report on fluxus and your conversation with hannah higgins. could you tell us more about the 'fluxfest' at tweed? do you have any photos of it? bests, carol xx Ann Klefstad wrote: Brief convrsation with Hannah Higgins when she was here to do a performance lecture of / on her father's work. Asked her about the related controversies of Maciunas-Friedman-NewFlux and (dethrone Maciunas who was never really king anyway) - OldGuard - No New Fluxus! Got something like this, although this is my own take, not Hannah's, of what seemed to have happened: Maciunas in his dotage assuming right to control and designate who was who and what in Fluxus, a right or privilege he hadn't been granted by anyone else (reminiscent of Breton but w/ differences), set Ken up for a fall by designating him Crown Prince, to many OldGuard types' dismay and annoyance. Rather than dealing with Ken on the terms of his own work, there apparently has been a sort of old-New-York-Dowager attempt to just sort of snub and freeze him out of our people on the part of the Old Dowagers/OldFlxGuard. (I picture tiaras. fun parties. Finger sandwiches with real fingers.) And anyone else that is seen as new people are apparently regarded in the same way--interlopers trying to become part of the in group. This seems like a really silly way to be artists, but hey--takes all kinds. Although from this story it seems not everyone feels that way. One could, to gratify the Old Guard, take the subaltern position and become fans, groupies, Fluxites. (I kind of like the mineral air of this term . . .) Or one could could, as Bowman proposes so interestingly, just take the word for the people, demoticize it, decapitalize it, make it a common noun, and be fluxus. Makes evident the downside of having a cohesive community that has a long history of working together (doubtless a wonderful thing in itself): it can tend to make one comfey and suspicious of others who want to share that comfort. Or whom you suspect of that motive. Very like a university department in the division between tenured and adjunct faculty. Jesus Christ. Too poor for capital letters, AK On 11/25/03 8:47 AM, Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writ few if any of the remaining original-Fluxus artists or official Fluxus Art Historians have much of any desire or interest to support an entirely new Fluxus with new people and new approaches. Perhaps I am wrong about Allen, I think that a couple of years ago Fluxlist got hit quite hard by what you describe and from which it never really recovered. It's a shame you haven't kept up all the sites and hard work you did to establish Fluxus on the web, you were really pioneering stuff, you know. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus vs fluxus
Brief convrsation with Hannah Higgins when she was here to do a performance lecture of / on her father's work. Asked her about the related controversies of Maciunas-Friedman-NewFlux and (dethrone Maciunas who was never really king anyway) - OldGuard - No New Fluxus! Got something like this, although this is my own take, not Hannah's, of what seemed to have happened: Maciunas in his dotage assuming right to control and designate who was who and what in Fluxus, a right or privilege he hadn't been granted by anyone else (reminiscent of Breton but w/ differences), set Ken up for a fall by designating him Crown Prince, to many OldGuard types' dismay and annoyance. Rather than dealing with Ken on the terms of his own work, there apparently has been a sort of old-New-York-Dowager attempt to just sort of snub and freeze him out of our people on the part of the Old Dowagers/OldFlxGuard. (I picture tiaras. fun parties. Finger sandwiches with real fingers.) And anyone else that is seen as new people are apparently regarded in the same way--interlopers trying to become part of the in group. This seems like a really silly way to be artists, but hey--takes all kinds. Although from this story it seems not everyone feels that way. One could, to gratify the Old Guard, take the subaltern position and become fans, groupies, Fluxites. (I kind of like the mineral air of this term . . .) Or one could could, as Bowman proposes so interestingly, just take the word for the people, demoticize it, decapitalize it, make it a common noun, and be fluxus. Makes evident the downside of having a cohesive community that has a long history of working together (doubtless a wonderful thing in itself): it can tend to make one comfey and suspicious of others who want to share that comfort. Or whom you suspect of that motive. Very like a university department in the division between tenured and adjunct faculty. Jesus Christ. Too poor for capital letters, AK On 11/25/03 8:47 AM, Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writ few if any of the remaining original-Fluxus artists or official Fluxus Art Historians have much of any desire or interest to support an entirely new Fluxus with new people and new approaches. Perhaps I am wrong about Allen, I think that a couple of years ago Fluxlist got hit quite hard by what you describe and from which it never really recovered. It's a shame you haven't kept up all the sites and hard work you did to establish Fluxus on the web, you were really pioneering stuff, you know. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: Crispin is doing the fluxboxes (flux pox?)
Georg! You live on X-Ray Street! How marvelous! AK On 10/7/03 12:34 PM, Georg Birkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES! Oh yes! waiting, I am! looking forward to the wonders in the box to appear in front of me! not being pissed too much, as it always takes ME months to do just one tiny piece... ...by the way, allan, did you receive my pictures of saints? Buona notte! Georg, being slightly drunk after having had oktoberfest with weisswurst and bier in the office... NOT SURE WHATS HAPPENING OUT THERE I AM PUTTING TOGETHER BOXES FOR EVERY ONE AND am making an adress list that i will send out to confirm spelling and correct adresses i know people move often I am seriously getting them done dont think i have forgoton. I have had some computer trouble and some other changes in life so dont be too pissed off at me crispin
FLUXLIST: Fluxmanifestations
Seizing this opportunity to inform-- Duluth Fluxexhibition lovely, have done 7 talks to student groups and others so far and the show has spurred several unofficial street performances by students in this city-- Fluxperformances next, planning this week, doing them the next. Tues Hannah Higgins will do performance/lecture in context of Higgins show; Weds. various local and regional performers (alison gerber, tim kaiser, tyler kaiser, jeff kalstrom, colin rusch, jonathan zorn, the fair adeline, and maybe christian mcshane); Thurs student performances of Higgins music scores and some scores from the event scores show. Hope to have some documentation for you by end of month. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne
On 9/2/03 6:56 AM, S.E. Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ann, I meant to send something too. Here's my train music score..my own favourite: --- Train Music Fill a train carriage with the smell of its destination. Sol Nte 1999 --- cheers, Sol. Sol-- Love the score, have printed it out big-character style, laminated poster. Could you send a little bio, paragrph or so? Thanks! AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne
On 9/7/03 1:18 PM, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/03 6:56 AM, S.E. Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ann, I meant to send something too. Here's my train music score..my own favourite: --- Train Music Fill a train carriage with the smell of its destination. Sol Nte 1999 --- cheers, Sol. Sol-- Love the score, have printed it out big-character style, laminated poster. Could you send a little bio, paragrph or so? Thanks! AK Sorry, collected Fluxlist members. Meant this to go just to Sol--but having seized the thing by the wrong end, I will brandish it--those of you who have sent scores and who have not send bios (or resumes or such), could you please do so? (Most who sent scores did also send the other, but some did not.) I have printed out the scores in large format and will mount them on the wall--some will receive performance or instantiation, some will be offered to students to perform in classes, some will be performed at an old theater downtown, and some will be performed at the Tweed. All will be seen and read. Thanks for your participation! This should be interesting. I'll keep you informed. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne
Dear David--I'll leave some room in the array for your mailed works when they arrive-- I'll print these poster-style and hang them up--hope to see you if you can come -- Thanks for your involvement with this! AK On 9/3/03 1:14 PM, David Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Anne-- I am sending my pieces it took me longer as made many outdoors in an alley they are visual scores, color etc spray painted and with rubbings-- and then in small print also the event-- i got into making them with shoes found in alleys and dumpsters-- so there are some steps so to speak-- sorry it took me longer as i can't work in the place where i live so have to work outside-- i can also send some via email i wanted to present Event Scores that are also scores--in a visual sense, suggesting thing that are an intersign of visual, sound and performance--colors, forms, arrangementes--of which the viewer make any response they so please--by acting or sounding out--or scrwaling on them a response, like grafitti--on alley walls-- here are some i can send via email write/right now: for example CONVERSATION PIECES, or BEGGING THE QUESTION 1.) find a good busy place to stand or sit with a large coffee can painted various hues or having obsucre personal hieroglyphics have a sign in bright colors, written on it CONTRIBUTE THE UNNEEDED CONTENTS OF YOUR POCKETS the event begins with the conversations with passersby as to nature of the event THEN THE EVENT OF THE DONATIONS it continues at end of day when, reurning home, one makes collages and little asemblages out of the contributions 2.) dressed as poor beggar--in any idea of such outfit you please-- have before you a very large can, dingy and bedraggled looking as you wish have with you a sign BEGGING THE QUESTION the event is what ensues in terms of exchanges with passersby 3.) in the gallery, stand dressed in whatever attention getting or anonymous outfit you please--theatrically if you so desire or neutrally have below you--you may if you like be mounted on a small pedastal/podium-- or beside you a sing which begs the question BUT, IS IT ART? paper and pen are provided for the museum goers to write responses and rop them in the box provided later, the responses are collectd and made into collaged poems by tearing, cutting them, mixing words, lines, syllables-- and one returns with this and to the question, again taking up the pose beside paper and pen: BUT, IS IT ART? again collect the responses, remix--are there any differences now? BUT, IS IT ART-- 4.) WORE ON TEARERISM in the gallery--or outside, roaming about--stationing themselves at various perimeters-- someone dressed as a security guard with them a large box with stenciled on it the militray looking words WORE ON TEARERISM From: Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:04:37 -0500 Thanks, zoe, perfect for the museum context, I'll put them on cards, great! ak On 9/1/03 9:56 AM, zoe marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, have been meaning to send something for ages, but now too late to put in the post so here goes by email... these were typed onto smallish cards and left on top of a plinth in a gallery with the instruction 'TAKE A CARD', but you dont have to do that (or indeed anything) with them, its up to you! FIND A WORK ON THE WALL. tRY TO SEE THE BACK OF IT BY LEANING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL. FIND A LIGHT SWITCH. EXAMINE IT THOROUGHLY. LOOK CLOSELY AT THE LEFT HAND CORNER OF A WORK. SAY 'OH'. MOVE AWAY. STAND THREE FEET AWAY FROM A WORK. FROWN. SAY'HMM'. STAND IN THE CENTRE OF THE ROOM. RUB YOUR CHIN. WALK IN A CIRCLE CLOCKWISE AROUND THE ROOM. MUTTER 'POSTMODERNISM, INTERESTING'. TAKE ANOTHER CARD. READ IT. PUT IT BACK EXACTLY WHERE YOU FOUND IT. HIDE THIS CARD IN YOUR POCKET. LEAVE THIS CARD SOMEWHERE. TAKE ANOTHER CARD WHI8LE NO-ONE IS LOOKING. STAND EIGHT FEET FROM A WORK. RAISE YOUR EYEBROWS. BREATHE IN. MOVE CLOSER. sorry dont have time to type more, on library computer and must log out, good luck with all the scores, luv zoe _ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile _ Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige using MSN Messenger http://entertainment.msn.com/imastar
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On 9/3/03 3:56 PM, Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear AK, What is this project that people seem to be scoring for? Is is too late to participate? AB Ah, it's a fluxfest in Duluth, my hometown. An exhibition of event scores (I do have, from ages ago, your wonderful Fruitscores for which you did not receive answering artworks but which can certainly go in the eventscores show). The scores will be shown in the Tweed Museum concurrently with a Dick Higgins retrospective exhibition, and some will be performed by students in October, in the Tweed and in a performance space downtown, the Norshor Theater. Is it too late to participate? The show opens Sept 9. How quick on the draw are you? I'll put it in if (1) it arrives in time; or (2) you alert me that it's on its way so that I can leave some room for it. Always grace for bad children, here. Please send what you wish. I paste in here, again, the call for scores. AK Call for Scores: Duluth Fluxfest As outlined in the following press release, the Tweed Museum in Duluth is hosting a retrospective exhibition of the works of Dick Higgins, inventor of the term ³intermedia² and impresario of the event score. To honor his role in the invention of twentieth-century art, and to have a good time, we are developing an exhibition of event scores and a week of performances of the scores to accompany this show. We request your help; please send in your event score and encourage others to do likewise. All scores will be exhibited in the Lecture Hall Gallery of the Tweed Museum; scores accompanied by a self-addressed stamped envelope will be returned at the close of the exhibition. Selected scores will be performed on the University of Minnesota Duluth campus during the week of October 12 19. What is an event score? It is a document, often highly visually interesting in its own right, that instructs the reader or viewer to perform acts-acts of thought or physical acts, imaginary or actual-either privately or in public. Event scores are texts that make things happen. Other than this, there are no further parameters. See the Tweed press release below for more on the history of the event score; for a sample of some scores, go to http://www.performance-research.net/pages/epublications.html Please spread the word; one does not need to be an officially designated artist to participate in this exhibition. Scores by postal workers, waitrons, programmers, administrative assistants, lawyers, midwives, teachers, truck drivers, piano instructors, landscapers, and factory workers, for instance, are strongly encouraged. Collaborative scores will also be enthusiastically received. Send your score, by August 30, to: Ann Klefstad 5913 London Road Duluth, MN 55804 Please include an SASE if you wish your score returned; also include a cover letter with your name, the title if any of the score, your contact information, and any other information you wish to supply to exhibit-goers. All participants will receive documentation of their participation in the exhibition. All scores will be exhibited at the Tweed Museum; you will be notified if your score is performed, and documentation of the performance will be provided on request. Thank you for your interest! I hope to see your work soon. Ann Klefstad curator, Duluth Fluxfest Score exhibition email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEED PRESS RELEASE Fluxus Art - What's That? - Visit the Tweed and find out. WHAT: Exhibition Betwixt and Between: The Life and Fluxus Works of Dick Higgins WHERE: Tweed Museum of Art, located on the campus of the University of Minnesota Duluth WHEN: Exhibition Dates: September 2 - October 19, 2003 ADDITIONAL EVENTS: ³The Secret World of Fluxus: An Exhibition of Event Scores.² This exhibition will feature event scores solicited from artists and Fluxpeople around the world who are connected by mail and the internet, through informal performance groupings, internet mailing lists such as the Fluxlist, and more traditional mail-art networks. This layer of the creative world, nearly unknown to the official artworld but of vast reach and importance to its participants, is open to participation from anyone, not just officially licensed ³artists.² Come and experience the growth of Higgins¹s ideas of transforming everyday life into creative choice: Higgins, one of the founders of the internet mailing list ³Fluxlist,² actively participated in the growth and spread of Fluxus ideas beyond the original participants in the movement. This exhibition will show a sampling of the results. You may find that you wish to become a citizen of this world. In the Lecture Hall Gallery of the Tweed Museum. Tuesday, September 9, 2003 7pm Panel Discussion ³What¹s the Score?: A discussion of the event score.² Diane Mullin, curator, MCAD Gallery at the Minneapolis College of Art and Design; Ann Klefstad, features editor, mnartists.org; and other
Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne
Thanks, zoe, perfect for the museum context, I'll put them on cards, great! ak On 9/1/03 9:56 AM, zoe marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, have been meaning to send something for ages, but now too late to put in the post so here goes by email... these were typed onto smallish cards and left on top of a plinth in a gallery with the instruction 'TAKE A CARD', but you dont have to do that (or indeed anything) with them, its up to you! FIND A WORK ON THE WALL. tRY TO SEE THE BACK OF IT BY LEANING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL. FIND A LIGHT SWITCH. EXAMINE IT THOROUGHLY. LOOK CLOSELY AT THE LEFT HAND CORNER OF A WORK. SAY 'OH'. MOVE AWAY. STAND THREE FEET AWAY FROM A WORK. FROWN. SAY'HMM'. STAND IN THE CENTRE OF THE ROOM. RUB YOUR CHIN. WALK IN A CIRCLE CLOCKWISE AROUND THE ROOM. MUTTER 'POSTMODERNISM, INTERESTING'. TAKE ANOTHER CARD. READ IT. PUT IT BACK EXACTLY WHERE YOU FOUND IT. HIDE THIS CARD IN YOUR POCKET. LEAVE THIS CARD SOMEWHERE. TAKE ANOTHER CARD WHI8LE NO-ONE IS LOOKING. STAND EIGHT FEET FROM A WORK. RAISE YOUR EYEBROWS. BREATHE IN. MOVE CLOSER. sorry dont have time to type more, on library computer and must log out, good luck with all the scores, luv zoe _ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile
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On 8/28/03 9:45 PM, Kathy Forer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ann, May I? Yes! Yes! Yes! Begin forwarded message: From: Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:44:07 PM America/New_York To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: Please, event scores? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] O Flux ones, please take time during these dog days to send to me by email or post, or even by telephone (218-525-3037) an event score or two or a score. I have received some very wonderful ones but there is room for more. There is interest in this humble and lovable fest from various media sorts, including someone who produces segments for Studio 360 (a national arts program). So we do want to reward their attention. All participants who may want to visit Duluth can be accommodated, I think, at my place or at others'. Fall colors very nice in Oct. I paste in here the call again-- Call for Scores: Duluth Fluxfest As outlined in the following press release, the Tweed Museum in Duluth is hosting a retrospective exhibition of the works of Dick Higgins, inventor of the term ³intermedia² and impresario of the event score. To honor his role in the invention of twentieth-century art, and to have a good time, we are developing an exhibition of event scores and a week of performances of the scores to accompany this show. We request your help; please send in your event score and encourage others to do likewise. All scores will be exhibited in the Lecture Hall Gallery of the Tweed Museum; scores accompanied by a self-addressed stamped envelope will be returned at the close of the exhibition. Selected scores will be performed on the University of Minnesota Duluth campus during the week of October 12 19. What is an event score? It is a document, often highly visually interesting in its own right, that instructs the reader or viewer to perform acts-acts of thought or physical acts, imaginary or actual-either privately or in public. Event scores are texts that make things happen. Other than this, there are no further parameters. See the Tweed press release below for more on the history of the event score; for a sample of some scores, go to http://www.performance-research.net/pages/epublications.html Please spread the word; one does not need to be an officially designated artist to participate in this exhibition. Scores by postal workers, waitrons, programmers, administrative assistants, lawyers, midwives, teachers, truck drivers, piano instructors, landscapers, and factory workers, for instance, are strongly encouraged. Collaborative scores will also be enthusiastically received. Send your score, by August 20, to: Ann Klefstad 5913 London Road Duluth, MN 55804 Please include an SASE if you wish your score returned; also include a cover letter with your name, the title if any of the score, your contact information, and any other information you wish to supply to exhibit-goers. All participants will receive documentation of their participation in the exhibition. All scores will be exhibited at the Tweed Museum; you will be notified if your score is performed, and documentation of the performance will be provided on request. Thank you for your interest! I hope to see your work soon. Ann Klefstad curator, Duluth Fluxfest Score exhibition email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEED PRESS RELEASE Fluxus Art - What's That? - Visit the Tweed and find out. WHAT: Exhibition Betwixt and Between: The Life and Fluxus Works of Dick Higgins WHERE: Tweed Museum of Art, located on the campus of the University of Minnesota Duluth WHEN: Exhibition Dates: September 2 - October 19, 2003 ADDITIONAL EVENTS: ³The Secret World of Fluxus: An Exhibition of Event Scores.² This exhibition will feature event scores solicited from artists and Fluxpeople around the world who are connected by mail and the internet, through informal performance groupings, internet mailing lists such as the Fluxlist, and more traditional mail-art networks. This layer of the creative world, nearly unknown to the official artworld but of vast reach and importance to its participants, is open to participation from anyone, not just officially licensed ³artists.² Come and experience the growth of Higgins¹s ideas of transforming everyday life into creative choice: Higgins, one of the founders of the internet mailing list ³Fluxlist,² actively participated in the growth and spread of Fluxus ideas beyond the original participants in the movement. This exhibition will show a sampling of the results. You may find that you wish to become a citizen of this world. In the Lecture Hall Gallery of the Tweed Museum. Tuesday, September 9, 2003 7pm Panel Discussion ³What¹s the Score?: A discussion of the event score.² Diane Mullin, curator, MCAD Gallery at the Minneapolis
FLUXLIST: Please, event scores?
O Flux ones, please take time during these dog days to send to me by email or post, or even by telephone (218-525-3037) an event score or two or a score. I have received some very wonderful ones but there is room for more. There is interest in this humble and lovable fest from various media sorts, including someone who produces segments for Studio 360 (a national arts program). So we do want to reward their attention. All participants who may want to visit Duluth can be accommodated, I think, at my place or at others'. Fall colors very nice in Oct. I paste in here the call again-- Call for Scores: Duluth Fluxfest As outlined in the following press release, the Tweed Museum in Duluth is hosting a retrospective exhibition of the works of Dick Higgins, inventor of the term ³intermedia² and impresario of the event score. To honor his role in the invention of twentieth-century art, and to have a good time, we are developing an exhibition of event scores and a week of performances of the scores to accompany this show. We request your help; please send in your event score and encourage others to do likewise. All scores will be exhibited in the Lecture Hall Gallery of the Tweed Museum; scores accompanied by a self-addressed stamped envelope will be returned at the close of the exhibition. Selected scores will be performed on the University of Minnesota Duluth campus during the week of October 12 19. What is an event score? It is a document, often highly visually interesting in its own right, that instructs the reader or viewer to perform acts-acts of thought or physical acts, imaginary or actual-either privately or in public. Event scores are texts that make things happen. Other than this, there are no further parameters. See the Tweed press release below for more on the history of the event score; for a sample of some scores, go to http://www.performance-research.net/pages/epublications.html Please spread the word; one does not need to be an officially designated artist to participate in this exhibition. Scores by postal workers, waitrons, programmers, administrative assistants, lawyers, midwives, teachers, truck drivers, piano instructors, landscapers, and factory workers, for instance, are strongly encouraged. Collaborative scores will also be enthusiastically received. Send your score, by August 20, to: Ann Klefstad 5913 London Road Duluth, MN 55804 Please include an SASE if you wish your score returned; also include a cover letter with your name, the title if any of the score, your contact information, and any other information you wish to supply to exhibit-goers. All participants will receive documentation of their participation in the exhibition. All scores will be exhibited at the Tweed Museum; you will be notified if your score is performed, and documentation of the performance will be provided on request. Thank you for your interest! I hope to see your work soon. Ann Klefstad curator, Duluth Fluxfest Score exhibition email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEED PRESS RELEASE Fluxus Art - What's That? - Visit the Tweed and find out. WHAT: Exhibition Betwixt and Between: The Life and Fluxus Works of Dick Higgins WHERE: Tweed Museum of Art, located on the campus of the University of Minnesota Duluth WHEN: Exhibition Dates: September 2 - October 19, 2003 ADDITIONAL EVENTS: ³The Secret World of Fluxus: An Exhibition of Event Scores.² This exhibition will feature event scores solicited from artists and Fluxpeople around the world who are connected by mail and the internet, through informal performance groupings, internet mailing lists such as the Fluxlist, and more traditional mail-art networks. This layer of the creative world, nearly unknown to the official artworld but of vast reach and importance to its participants, is open to participation from anyone, not just officially licensed ³artists.² Come and experience the growth of Higgins¹s ideas of transforming everyday life into creative choice: Higgins, one of the founders of the internet mailing list ³Fluxlist,² actively participated in the growth and spread of Fluxus ideas beyond the original participants in the movement. This exhibition will show a sampling of the results. You may find that you wish to become a citizen of this world. In the Lecture Hall Gallery of the Tweed Museum. Tuesday, September 9, 2003 7pm Panel Discussion ³What¹s the Score?: A discussion of the event score.² Diane Mullin, curator, MCAD Gallery at the Minneapolis College of Art and Design; Ann Klefstad, features editor, mnartists.org; and other participants yet to be announced. Tuesday, October 14, 2003 Performance Lecture by Hannah Higgins, Fluxus historian and daughter of artists Dickk Higgins and Alison Knowles Week of October 12 - 19, 2003 Interdisciplinary programming: FluxFest with Music/Theatre/English Departments. One evening of student performances of Dick Higgins¹ score works; one evening
Re: FLUXLIST:call for score works
Call for Scores: Duluth Fluxfest As outlined in the following press release, the Tweed Museum in Duluth is hosting a retrospective exhibition of the works of Dick Higgins, inventor of the term ³intermedia² and impresario of the event score. To honor his role in the invention of twentieth-century art, and to have a good time, we are developing an exhibition of event scores and a week of performances of the scores to accompany this show. We request your help; please send in your event score and encourage others to do likewise. All scores will be exhibited in the Lecture Hall Gallery of the Tweed Museum; scores accompanied by a self-addressed stamped envelope will be returned at the close of the exhibition. Selected scores will be performed on the University of Minnesota Duluth campus during the week of October 12 19. What is an event score? It is a document, often highly visually interesting in its own right, that instructs the reader or viewer to perform acts-acts of thought or physical acts, imaginary or actual-either privately or in public. Event scores are texts that make things happen. Other than this, there are no further parameters. See the Tweed press release below for more on the history of the event score; for a sample of some scores, go to http://www.performance-research.net/pages/epublications.html Please spread the word; one does not need to be an officially designated artist to participate in this exhibition. Scores by postal workers, waitrons, programmers, administrative assistants, lawyers, midwives, teachers, truck drivers, piano instructors, landscapers, and factory workers, for instance, are strongly encouraged. Collaborative scores will also be enthusiastically received. Send your score, by August 27, to: Ann Klefstad 5913 London Road Duluth, MN 55804 Please include an SASE if you wish your score returned; also include a cover letter with your name, the title if any of the score, your contact information, and any other information you wish to supply to exhibit-goers. All participants will receive documentation of their participation in the exhibition. All scores will be exhibited at the Tweed Museum; you will be notified if your score is performed, and documentation of the performance will be provided on request. Thank you for your interest! I hope to see your work soon. Ann Klefstad curator, Duluth Fluxfest Score exhibition email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEED PRESS RELEASE Fluxus Art - What's That? - Visit the Tweed and find out. WHAT: Exhibition Betwixt and Between: The Life and Fluxus Works of Dick Higgins WHERE: Tweed Museum of Art, located on the campus of the University of Minnesota Duluth WHEN: Exhibition Dates: September 2 - October 19, 2003 Exhibition Events: Tuesday, September 9, 2003 Panel Discussion What is Fluxus? Tuesday, October 14, 2003 Performance Lecture by Hannah Higgins, Fluxus historian and daughter of artists Dick Higgins and Alison Knowles Week of October 12 - 19, 2003 Interdisciplinary programming FluxFest With Music/Theatre/English Departments, organized by Ann Klefstad CONTACT: Peter Spooner, Curator, (218) 726-7056, Mary Rhodes, Public Information, (218) 726-7823 The Tweed Museum of Art is pleased to announce the exhibition ³Betwixt and Between: The Life and Fluxus Works of Dick Higgins.² Dick Higgins (1938-1998) used the term intermedia to describe his wide-ranging works in poetry, painting, graphic works, musical scores and books. Higgins knew and associated with the composers John Cage and Henry Cowell, the Dada artists Marcel Duchamp and Richard Huelsenbeck, and the many artists who identified with Fluxus. Based on a term used by George Maciunas in 1961, Fluxus was and is an international art movement based on ideas similar to those of the Dada artists, where the art object is less a precious aesthetic commodity, and more about interaction between the artwork and the viewer. In Fluxus, art could and can be a pamphlet with instructions, a musical score to be performed, a reading, a performance, a work sent through the mails, or any combination of these and other categories of art-making. Higgins participated in Fluxus ideas as a composer, a poet, a scholar and founder of Something Else Press. As an intermedia artist, he moved and worked between these practices, and this exhibition examines his unique contribution to contemporary art. Organized by the Columbia College Center for Book and Paper Arts, this exhibition presents a unique look at the ideas of Fluxus, through the work of one of its most influential practitioners. Financial support for ³Betwixt and Between: The Life and Fluxus Works of Dick Higgins² has been provided by the Minnesota State Arts Board through an apppropriation from the Minnesota State Legislature and the National Endowment for the Arts, and University of Minnesota Duluth Student Services Fee. Museum Hours: Tu 9am-8pm, Wed - Fri 9am - 4:30pm, Sa - Su 1pm - 5pm
Re: FLUXLIST: lunch news
On 7/31/03 8:41 AM, allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.allenbukoff.com/lunch.php Quick update on the WHAT I HAD FOR LUNCH TODAY project: 1. No lunch yesterday (Wednesday, July 30). Fellow Coon Rapidian, Doug Carpenter, payed me to NOT eat lunch. 2. New mini-theme has emerged: lunch at the little food stands you find at the mega warehouses. Ate lunch at a COSTCO Food Court last week (July 23) and had lunch from a hot dog stand at HOME DEPOT Tuesday (July 29th). These warehouse lunches are being sponsored by Betsy Friedman and Baker Rorick, Bearsville, New York, who have contributed money to a food bank in the Hudson Valley and to the Capuchin Soup Kitchen here in Detroit. 3. You will now find my cholesterol count and my weight posted at the top of the LUNCH website page. 4. Today is the beginning of Brat Days in Sheboygan, Wisconsin ( http://www.sheboyganjaycees.com/index1.html ). Janice and I are setting off today on a week-long road trip to visit my mom in Iowa. Follow along as we again stalk the wild breaded pork tenderloin sandwich across plains of the US Midwest region. Allen Ah Allen, such a pork sandwich is no match for the greatest sandwich of all time, the grilled Cuban sandwich with greasy pork loin, pickles, and cheese in a Mexican style roll w/ mayo, mashed into a converted waffle iron and grilled to crunchy perfection. Best version ever at the Tropical Ice Cream Bakery at Sunset and Silverlake in LA. Why is the midwest--home of pork, after all--not riddled with Cuban sandwich joints? Why can I not procure such anywhere in Minnesota? Next question: Why is my call for score works not appearing on Fluxlist despite having been posted twice? Too long? What? If the third attempt (just prior to this) doesn't work, please go to http://mnartists.org and find the call in the News column to the right of the page. Thank you. I am counting on the list to generate many lovely, absorbing, or frightening score works which will be shown at the Tweed Museum, documented, said documentation sent to participants on request, and possibly performed by students from MCAD and University of Minnesota-Duluth during the month of October. Deadline Aug. 27 (my birthday!). All scores sent will be exhibited. Mail to: Ann Klefstad, 5913 London Road, Duluth, MN 55804. Send SASE if you wish your scores returned. Help light up the great white north. Send event scores. You'll feel better. AK
Re: FLUXLIST:call for score works
Dear all-- Did the call for score works get through? I haven't had any response and was wondering . . . I will send again if anyone wishes. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxuppie Scum
On 6/4/03 11:00 AM, Crispin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really! Crispin! Can I still contribute even though I failed so signally to keep up! I can now! I can! AK FLUXUPPIE SCUM IS THAT WHICH USED TO BE USED TO SCOWER MY PULLEYS FROM THE DARK BASEMENT IN WHICH I INHABIT ON LONG NIGHTS. WHO NEEDS THE SHORT STORIES I WOULD LIKE TO SEND ONE. ALSO ANYONE INTERESTEDIN CANDY FLUXBOX LET ME KNOW. AND ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE FLUXBOX II I AM STILL WAITING ON YOUR 50 CONTRIBUTIONS. THIS PROJECT IS TAKING TIME, AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE AN ACCURATE PIC OF WHAT WE DO SO WE NEED AS MANY ARTISTS AS POSSIBLE TO PARTICIPATE. crispin webb 4 west chestnut apt#5 mount vernon ohio 43050 SEND YOUR EDITIONS HERE. THANKS. = http://www.angelfire.com/blog/crispin3d/ AN ARTIST NETWORK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxuppie Scum
On 6/4/03 11:00 AM, Crispin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FLUXUPPIE SCUM IS THAT WHICH USED TO BE USED TO SCOWER MY PULLEYS FROM THE DARK BASEMENT IN WHICH I INHABIT ON LONG NIGHTS. WHO NEEDS THE SHORT STORIES I WOULD LIKE TO SEND ONE. Me too I have a bunch of these very short stories I'm working on . Is it Josh? AK ALSO ANYONE INTERESTEDIN CANDY FLUXBOX LET ME KNOW. AND ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE FLUXBOX II I AM STILL WAITING ON YOUR 50 CONTRIBUTIONS. THIS PROJECT IS TAKING TIME, AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE AN ACCURATE PIC OF WHAT WE DO SO WE NEED AS MANY ARTISTS AS POSSIBLE TO PARTICIPATE. crispin webb 4 west chestnut apt#5 mount vernon ohio 43050 SEND YOUR EDITIONS HERE. THANKS. = http://www.angelfire.com/blog/crispin3d/ AN ARTIST NETWORK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Please welcome Ken Friedman
On 6/3/03 12:20 PM, allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken! Hurray! So Happy! Ann K FLUXLISTers, please welcome back Ken Friedman. Ken Friedman needs no introduction to FLUXLIST...he helped start this email list way back in April of 1996. But let me just tell you a FEW of the things I think I know and do admire about Ken Friedman. He has been all over and in Fluxus since he was a 16 year old kid from Illinois who met the likes of George Maciunas, Dick Higgins, and Alison Knowles in New York in the middle 1960s and recognized that something huge and wonderful was going on. Dr. Friedman is now Associate Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design, Department of Knowledge Management, in the Norwegian School of Management. Besides being a major participant in and scholar of Fluxus, Ken has probably done more than anyone else in the world to promote awareness of Fluxus in the hinterlands and beyond its origins in the art world. I like to think of Ken as being the Johnny Appleseed of Fluxus. Many of us here--whether we know it or not--found Fluxus because of the Fluxus seeds scattered by Ken Friedman. One of Ken's recent projects (with Owen Smith) is worth repeating here: The free-to-download revised and expanded version of the Fluxus Performance Workbook, a collection of short performance works and event scores by over forty artists. http://www.performance-research.net/pages/epublications.html .
Re: FLUXLIST: frozen/fried events
On 3/17/03 7:57 AM, alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear all, to celebrate and to complement alan bowman's part in the 2003 Biennale di Venezia (Apartment- brain academy) and the forthcoming and as yet untitled show at reg vardy gallery, sunderland, UK you are invited to take part in alan bowman's frozenrefrigeratedboiledfriedbakedand roasted events 2003 surprise the curators sub-event upon request you will be sent an email attachment (MS Word document - other formats HTML, pdf may also be available) this document should be printed and than boiled, fried, roasted, baked, refrigerated OR frozen and then posted to the two addresses given in the attachment closing date april 30 2003 please forward this email to anyone you feel may be interested i look forward to hearing from you Alan Bowman Allan, count me in. Could an American fricasee the document? AK
Re: FLUXLIST: FLUXbox
On 3/11/03 8:49 AM, Don Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I talked with Crispin last night and he said he has 25 multiple proposals but he is holding off making a final list until he can contact certain members he would like to see put something in the box. (Fluxlist Box II) That goes for Sol, too. Anyone else? -Don _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Yeah, me. Sorry. I'll do a little drypoint of water imagery or my little dog and pull 50. Crispin, imagine it's 3 x 3 on heavy Stonehenge paper. Flat. Is that ok? AK
Re: FLUXLIST: London March
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: London March On 2/15/03 12:29 PM, John Blower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still high on the exhilaration of being amongst a crowd of about 1.5 million! I shot off a couple of rolls of film which I'll post at my site in the next few days. We have marched here as well. Minneapolis, many thousands, and Duluth, small city, 2,000 people. It was below zero (fahrenheit) but people marched anyway. It was exhilarating as well, and I wont miss those toes anyway. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: FLuxbox 2 cordinator crispin Webb
On 1/16/03 11:04 AM, Crispin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will send-- Thanks for doing this and reminding us-- AK ONE object should be sent for Fluxbox 2 by feb 12th. Crispin Webb Fluxbox 2 cordinator 4 west chestnut apt #5 mount vernon ohio 43050 keep in mind if I do not recieve your object by the above mentioned date it will not be encluded in the fluxbox. After recieving the objects from the participants I will assemble the box photograph and send email to fluxlist members and begin to make the other 49 editions. so far 2 participants remember all are welcome crispin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: request
On 1/13/03 3:47 AM, alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the freeformfreakout organisation 'desperately scrabbling about for ideas for the fluxlist box II project division' kindly request that anyone interested sends by return e-mail, the following: 1.a letter between A G (upper case) 2.the number 1 or 2 3.a number between 1 and 4 e.g.B, 2, 3 and 1.a letter between a g (lower case) 2.the number 1 or 2 3.a number between 1 and 4 e.g.a,1,1 F13 g14 C14 f11 H12 h12 A11 a11
Re: FLUXLIST: FLuxbox 2 cordinator crispin Webb
On 1/12/03 1:59 AM, Crispin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK we have one MOnth. Everyone who wants to participate send one of the 50 editions to be made. I will assemble the work in the cigar box. The Demensions will be for the box will be 10 inches long, 5 inches wide and 3 iches deep. So that means that i must recieve your one edition by Feb 12th. I will upon assembly email the list the finished work. Then we will proceed in making the edition of 50 FLUXbox 2 cordinator crispin Webb Mailing adress 4 west chestnut apt#5 mount vernon ohio 43050 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Holy crap! Decisive, organized action! I'm breaking out in hives but I like it! AK
Re: FLUXLIST: BOX 2 / cdr
On 1/9/03 8:23 AM, memexikon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think much has been discussed re the cdr. These are the thots I have. Dual format. 1. Audio that is playable on any boombox. If I am the person doing the production I need all audio files as .aiff files or as mp3 or wav I will convert them. I would suggest 44mhz 16 bit audio as lowest resolution unless it is a piece which exploits low fi sensibilities. 2. media files that can be accessed on both mac pc. these include .jpg, .gif, .png, .swf, .mov, mpg as all basic cross platform formats. There are of course many others. A simple html interface could allow users to navigate the offering. Who is interested? What kind of piece do you have, what format, file size or time length if audio. mIEKAL Great! My son has an animation of peeps that would be so fine--Quicktime ok?
Re: FLUXLIST: BOX 2 / cdr / cook book
On 1/9/03 11:01 AM, Sol Nte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am offering to cover the cost, do the duping production for one cdr. I don't think it is realistic for me to commit to more than one. If there is enuf things maybe it makes sense to have one be a music cd which will play on any cd player make one a data cdr for playing on computers. if that was the case maybe somebody else could handle the music one I'll faciliate the data cd which is more my realm of things. I would be willing to produce a music CDRnot interested in a mixed-mode cd though. But of course I should finish the cook book first.. BTW - someone asked a while ago about reopening the cook book project...since it's still in production as it were is anyone else interested in contributing? cheers, Sol. Sol --did I? I can't remember. If not, I would like to. Hm. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: paint cans
On 1/10/03 8:28 AM, Owen Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my favorite places, American Scientific and surplus has cases such as (to view any of these go to http://www.sciplus.com/ and type in the object number in the search filed box): Ahh another American Scientific junkie! tiny motors . . . AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST BOX #2
On 1/8/03 12:10 AM, Crispin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more i think about this project the more i feel like it has to have a container decided upon we should take a vote. We need a list of all ideas for container and their accessability. LOWEST COST, HIGHEST DURABILITY my ideas so far Candy tins 50 or more free but small Cigar boxes 1$ per box VIDEO tape boxes cheep REEL CANS more expensive limited quanity on my end I heard PAINT CAN , globe, cd case, thats all i think How big do we want this box to be. LETS DO THIS THING IF it seems liike too much we could always just start by setting a number for the edition 5O LIKE THE last one. SO we could all make 5o of something and send it to CRISPIN WEBB 4 west chestnut apt # 5 mount vernon ohio 43050 just keep it small to or whatever Send your adress and name 5 $ for shipping and this could be well on its way within a short time We could set a deadline for entry for feb 8th one month from now I will take care of the assembly and shipping I have access to santas little elves, ten artists living in a small apartment building. very flux-like. crispin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com I like cigar box or film reel can. I don't mind ponying a few bucks. For another project, perhaps a parallel one, called maybe Tiny Flux, we could each make a tiny thing to fit into altoid box. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Altoids
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Altoids On 1/6/03 8:00 AM, Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dictionary is listing some 100'000 key-words. Altoid is not one of them. Some further explanation? altoids are little sweeties! Maybe they are sweeties, Alan But what are they? :-) Sweetieslittle mints, candies, and said boxes are very nice hinged-lid metal tins, but maybe too small (@3inches by 5?) AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST Box #2
On 1/2/03 3:56 PM, Alex Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: then there's always ziploc freezer bags. you can get 50 for about $5, Holds a gallon of art with no spills and you can affix a sticker lable to the outside. in fact it seems rather fluxus to make our second box a plastic bag. Alex NP: Cat Power - Moon Pix I like the freezer-bag option--Or we could sew sacks, all same dimensions but different materials--using cecil's variability and Alex's sacks. Variable sack boxes. Sackbuts. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: make that THREE and FOUR
Ok, Bertrand, after years of reading insults on this list, I wanted to at least model some insults that could be amusing, in at least some way. Eric's utterly-in-earnest character assassination of Ken was horrible to read, day after day; it was also horrible to see Ken attempt to engage with it when it so patently could not be engaged; it has been awful to see the repressed mr tamas mistake bile for freedom (it must be that repressive school system--); it has been awful to have mr death spewing away and awful to see the resemblance his automatic negativity had to other nastiness in the past on the list. So truly, perhaps allen acted peremptorily and perhaps the list should now reconsider, but I would say that such reconsideration should be based on what the individuals in qustion have contributed (or not): Could we do a search of the archives and post on a site the collected works of each, and, reading them through in their totality, determine whether either has ever said anything on the list that was not self-interested to the point of obsession, thoughtless, or vengeful? I am ever so willing to be proven wrong. Could we do this, and then vote on the question? I think, myself, that both of these characters should be, and perhaps will be, ashamed to read the sum total of their posts to this list. If I had written what they did, I certainly would be. It's not a question of sounding different. It's a question of taking away others' powers of expression through slander, insult, innuendo, and other verbal nastiness. And by the way, curdled usually refers to milk--when it curdles it goes off, it spoils. Metaphorically in context it means when something good is transformed into something bad--also, incidentally, goes from liquid to solid. Turns lumpish. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: make that THREE and FOUR
On 1/3/03 10:32 AM, Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi ann, the following post resulted in my buying said book in which tamas was included. Smells like self-promotion to me. I have yet to remember or see anything that is positive that he sent to the list that is not in some way self-promotion, self-obsession. He called you boring. You are not boring. He is bored. There is a difference. He has so very little grace in his writings, so little generosity, so little curiosity about anyone different from him, at least as evidenced in his contributions to this list. AK excellent book btw. i have had doubts about taking him off the list though not about the others. he said i am boring and i thought about it and he is probably right from his point of view. after all i live in a little place far removed from the crush of civilization and i am primarily a painter. so it gave me some interesting thoughts. just wanted to let you know he has contributed at least this one positive post and probably more. bests, carol St.Auby Tamas wrote: H, the STRIKE book is a catalog of the STRIKE-exposition in Wolverhampton Art Gallery, England, 14 September - 9 November 2002. It contains texts by more than 100 artists related to the subject. --- The 'STRIKE book' (2002, Alberta Press London) ISBN 3-88375-637-7 can be ordered from Cornerhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Distribution Germany: Buchhandlung Walter Konig [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You can also buy copies at cost price direct from GAVIN WADE [EMAIL PROTECTED] 42 Rolt Street, Deptford London, SE8 5NL 0208-691-0786 ph/fax 07976-403696 --- Probably best off buying the book from Franz Koenig at The Serpentine Gallery Bookshop. You can contact him by email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he can sort out the payment, posting etc. £7.50 each. H, a Ann Klefstad wrote: Ok, Bertrand, after years of reading insults on this list, I wanted to at least model some insults that could be amusing, in at least some way. Eric's utterly-in-earnest character assassination of Ken was horrible to read, day after day; it was also horrible to see Ken attempt to engage with it when it so patently could not be engaged; it has been awful to see the repressed mr tamas mistake bile for freedom (it must be that repressive school system--); it has been awful to have mr death spewing away and awful to see the resemblance his automatic negativity had to other nastiness in the past on the list. So truly, perhaps allen acted peremptorily and perhaps the list should now reconsider, but I would say that such reconsideration should be based on what the individuals in qustion have contributed (or not): Could we do a search of the archives and post on a site the collected works of each, and, reading them through in their totality, determine whether either has ever said anything on the list that was not self-interested to the point of obsession, thoughtless, or vengeful? I am ever so willing to be proven wrong. Could we do this, and then vote on the question? I think, myself, that both of these characters should be, and perhaps will be, ashamed to read the sum total of their posts to this list. If I had written what they did, I certainly would be. It's not a question of sounding different. It's a question of taking away others' powers of expression through slander, insult, innuendo, and other verbal nastiness. And by the way, curdled usually refers to milk--when it curdles it goes off, it spoils. Metaphorically in context it means when something good is transformed into something bad--also, incidentally, goes from liquid to solid. Turns lumpish. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: New subscription process
On 1/3/03 10:33 AM, Georg Birkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. We'll kick out any obnoxious drunks or troublemakers. Who's we? When does someone start to make trouble? Is Ann Klefstad still allowed of writing If Eric and IPUT had ever contributed anything that wasn't a snotty putdown, colored by arch pissy self-interest(...) or You smell of old belgian undershorts, and your mother used to hide your shoes to see you cry.? There's probably no place where the air is as fresh as in Celebration (http://www.celebration-florida-celebration-usa.com/). But is it really fun to live there? No one is talking about living in Celebration, and no, I'm sure the air is not at all fresh there. Too much synthetic carpet offgassing, SUV emissions, and stifling uniformity. No one is talking about imposing uniformity on this list. And my invective was launched at insulters, people who, without provocation of any kind, call people boring or liars or fakes--these are serious slanders. To refer in what I thought was a transparently humorous way to insult in general (after all, I have not met mr tamas, so I cannot make judgments as to his actual personal-type odiferousness or otherwise, and hence cannot be taken seriously when I refer to it) is not the same as launching true insults at people who are not deserving of same. The thing is, I wonder if the Europeans on the list are not perhaps more appreciative of what they see as a sort of nice stringent nastiness because their daily lives are really quite insulated from such behavior. Living in some parts of northern Europe, for instance, is quite a bit like living in Celebration. Everyone is neat and clean; almost every aspect of the appearance of one's dwelling is regulated (in my ancestral town in Norway, for instance, one can only paint one's house in one of 3 approved colors). Even private names can be regulated: one can only name one's child legally from names on the official list. Gun control is stringent. Only the wealthy can hunt and fish and gather. Those aspects of life that are not regulated by law are often effectively regulated by custom. In America, by contrast, one can own a machine gun and drive around in a Humvee--our governor just bought one to leave office in. You can, in most places, paint your house any damn color you want, make plywood cutouts of old ladies bending over showing their underwear (very popular in my neck of the woods), have drunken parties, throw up on your neighbor's lawn, skinny-dip in the lake, name your kid Rebel Anger or whatever obscenity you miht choose. You can buy a decommissioned Russian submarine or an American Army surplus tank. And the thing is, people do behave in these sorts of unbuttoned ways (and many more serious ones--seen American assault statistics lately?) fairly often--no doubt admirable from a freedom point of view but a big pain in the ass to live with all the time. So American artist-types may not valorize rudeness as freedom as much as Europeans, having grown up in much more chaotic circumstances. That's why Celebration was created--as a haven from the fear of getting your ass shot on the sidewalk in front of your apartment: a much greater danger in LA than in Bern or Bonn or Bergen. (Happened to 3 of my neighbors while I was living on Vendome street just south of Sunset.) You don't need any Celebration in Europe: you already have it in spades. (Although as the homogeneity of the place is changing, perhaps the weird picture-perfectness I remember from 20 years ago is changing? I hope so, and I hope you welcome it.) Freedom is damned complicated. One person's freedom can be another person's silencing, as they are driven away or cowed by insult and slander, or simply tired of bile and self-indulgence. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: FLUXLIST BOX #2?
On 1/2/03 1:39 AM, Owen Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I second and third Josh's and Melissa's ideas about a second box for/of the fluxlist. I am also happy to help out in any way needed along with contributing. It seems to me that there are two aspects that would be nice to work into this project: 1. a collection of scores since there have been several nice ones posted to the list, so this could be a compilation of those already posted as well as new ones; 2. More along the lines of Melissa's idea of a box of multiples or the like (that is what you were thinking wasn't it Melissa?) I have more ideas, but let's see what others think. . . . Owen I fourth it. I'd like to do a multiple text/image thing this spring . . . AK
Re: FLUXLIST: make that THREE and FOUR
On 1/2/03 8:30 AM, Bertrand Clavez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bertrand and all-- Allen had always resisted moderating the list, even when the nastiness of these particular people threw away some of the most interestng and productive people on the list. Now, perhaps your notion of fluxus is double-dosed with negative capability, particularly corrosive, cruel, and self-obsessed. If so, I would encourage a new fluxlist to form, this one inviting mutual insult. However, it seems to be the rough consensus on this particular fluxlist that self-obsessed insulting posts that mechanistically respond to any utterance with a curdled version of same are not desirable on a daily basis. So Allen is hailed for his chucking of these types. Repetitive insult is a form of throwing away of the person so insulted, and deserves similar treatment. AK Dear Allen, I can't believe you've thrown away these fluxlisters! and if this is the case, I can't agree with such a choice. Tell me that I'm wrong in my inderstanding of this post. Best Bertrand - Original Message - From: allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: FLUXLIST: make that THREE and FOUR Open the windows, let some stale air out, let some fresh air in. I swear I don't know what has gotten into me...abusing power like this. Maybe 2003 is a time to renew Fluxlist. Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:04:12 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Majordomo results: remove eric anderson st auby tamas xx remove FLUXLIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Succeeded. xx remove FLUXLIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Succeeded.
Re: FLUXLIST: mIEKAL aND
On 1/2/03 9:57 AM, allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most certainly yes! I keep hoping to get to one of the events there--it's just over in Wisc. But a sort of distant part of Wisc. . . . AK To the organizers of Flux Box 2: MIEKAL aND wants to participate, too. So keep him in the loop. [And let's see if we can get him back on the list...I think he is also one of the true children/grandchildren of Fluxus and a truly interesting force in that sector of the universe] Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:03:54 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Non-member submission from [mIEKAL aND [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:07:56 -0600 Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FLUXLIST BOX #2? From: mIEKAL aND [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I too am interested but I missed all the details. mIEKAL On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 07:59 AM, John M. Bennett wrote: Same here; count me in, if someone can organize it. thanks, Joihn
