Although I am not a COMMITTER I feel I need to speak up here, having
been one of the more recent recipients of Glen's from-the-hip
comments. I was a bit shocked and dismayed at the lack of diplomacy in
Glen's apparent attack on Andreas' original post[*] (included below for
completeness).
(BTW Glen, I believe while Peter may've quoted Andreas' post in his
response, Peter correctly associated the primary thought process to
you. It was your from-the-hip comment that (I believe) brought the
issue of respect to members of our community to the fore. Please know
Glen, I appreciate your passion for FOP, and your coding contributions
(every day!). I would absolutely not want to see you go away. If you
want to continue your occasional lack of diplomacy to others in your
posts, I'll continue to take your posts with a grain of salt. However,
it is imperative that FOP retains your talents. We can't afford to lose
another good coder like yourself.)
That said, it is clear there is a gray line with regard to how to deal
with posts and possible PATCHs of code from competing products, while
maintaining the integrity of FOP. However, I don't believe that gray
line means we must refuse valuable mailing list posts from our
community (of which RenderX, AntennaHouse, xmlroff, etc. are all equal
members).
I would posit that the *issue* of how to deal with PATCH contributions
should be discussed so that a plan/protocol can be achieved. This needs
to occur at least at the project (FOP) level (possibly ending with a
VOTE), but should really be done at the Apache Foundation level, since
other Apache projects are apparently faced with the same issues.
Another possibly separate issue (?), is whether or not we can accept
contributions _to the fop-dev mailing list_ to which I would certainly
respond/vote an emphatic YES (we should accept posts from anyone
willing to post and do so graciously).
It is my hope that Nikolai (and other esteemed members of our community
such as G. Ken Holman) read the fop-dev fop-user mailing lists and
respond at will. But we should come up with a plan we can all refer to
so there is no question.
Respectfully,
Web Maestro Clay
[*]
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=107592328129264w=2
On Feb 6, 2004, at 5:04 AM, Glen Mazza wrote:
Peter,
Both of the remarks that Nikolai quoted [1] in leaving
the list came from Andreas [2], not from me [3]. I
was only stating the obvious in my warnings not to use
their code.
I don't appreciate you trying--for those who haven't
been following the thread--to attribute Andreas'
quotes to me.
Glen
[1]
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=107604009912079w=2
[2]
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=107600963014798w=2
[3]
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=107594073923625w=2
--- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you have watched us for a while, you will realise
that Glen tends to
shoot from the hip, and expresses himself
forcefully. (I have done the
same on occasion.) More than one of the regulars
here has been stung by
Glen's comments, but we understand that that is
Glen's manner. We value
his contributions greatly, and shrug off the more
over-the-top
expressions of opinion because we are used to the
way he says things.
I hope you can bring yourself to do the same.
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