Re: FOP Web Site Update
On Nov 7, 2004, at 6:46 AM, Glen Mazza wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: On a related note, IIRC I wanted to change the color scheme to Red - Amber - Green (stop light analogy: No - Partial - Full compliance--I'm aware of the argument about something either being compliant or it's not ;-)) That's fine -- just keep in mind though that one limitation of this page, not reasonably fixable, is that compliance is ultimately a renderer-specific issue (i.e., the results of some properties and FO's may be implemented in some render-types but not yet in others.) So you may not want to go overboard on this page, as there is already an overall limitation to its accuracy. Still, this page has been a useful source of information for our users, possibly our most-viewed page. That 'sounds' like something that could be put in the Notes column. [BTW, If you can change to the bright red color for the mouse-hover like the Web Services TLP has that would be nice.] Try it now: http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/xml-fop/xml-graphics/ It's not 'bright' red (it's dark red - #66), but I think the contrast is subtle without being brash. Would you prefer #ff? Either are fine for me. I don't have much experience with web site design, so I'll defer to you on these matters. Glen Okey doke! Web Maestro Clay -- Clay Leeds - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webmaster/Developer - Medata, Inc. - http://www.medata.com/ PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/cleeds.asc
Re: FOP Web Site Update
On Nov 5, 2004, at 6:41 PM, Glen Mazza wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: Well, it didn't happen next week or even the week after. Getting the FOP Standards Compliance page[1] up to snuff has been, shall we say... challenging. But I've finally got content (the table of 'compliance'!) displaying. Unfortunately, we're still not there, as the link portion (which serves as a veritable Table of Contents for the table) is not being generated yet. More importantly, the color-code system isn't working yet, either (the bgcolor is always 'white'). Also, the Citation links are not generated either. These should all prove relatively simple to resolve (especially if I had some help from someone who knows how to make that portion work: are you listening Keiron, Glen or Christian ;-) wink!). Or, I could just continue plodding through the muck and see if I can figure it out. The compliance page is quite difficult to understand, IIRC one needs to be fairly knowledgable about Cocoon sitemaps. But I last looked at it before I was a committer. I don't think the colors/sorting by compliance level are that important, however. The XSL spec lists each FO (and property, I believe) in terms of one of three compliance levels--but we don't need to duplicate that information on this page anymore. I think most people go to this page to determine if property X or formatting object Y is available, regardless of its listed compliance level in the specification. My intention at this point is to make the page work as well as it did before. Once that is achieved (and the FO + SVG transformations are either resolved or workarounds are made) I will put the new site live. As for the bgcolor of the table-cell I think helps one see, at-a-glance, the level of compliance. That is an important 'feature' to have--bordering on showstopper IMO. On a related note, IIRC I wanted to change the color scheme to Red - Amber - Green (stop light analogy: No - Partial - Full compliance--I'm aware of the argument about something either being compliant or it's not ;-)) [BTW, If you can change to the bright red color for the mouse-hover like the Web Services TLP has that would be nice.] Try it now: http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/xml-fop/xml-graphics/ It's not 'bright' red (it's dark red - #66), but I think the contrast is subtle without being brash. Would you prefer #ff? One thing perhaps we should change sometime, is to remove/replace our leading graphic on our home page [1]. For a newbie to XSL, it looks silly: See with FOP, you need to create 75 lines of XSL in order to get one line of output! Hopefully we will have something better to replace it with in the future. Good idea. I recall being perplexed myself with that. Of course, that includes the soup-to-nuts information for an entire page, including page margins and page-sequence. I'm thinking of at least adding an image to the 'page'. Thanks, Glen [1] http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/xml-fop/images/document.jpg Thanks for your comments! Web Maestro Clay -- Clay Leeds - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webmaster/Developer - Medata, Inc. - http://www.medata.com/ PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/cleeds.asc
Re: FOP Web Site Update
On Oct 16, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Clay Leeds wrote: My intention is to bring xml-fop up-to-date next week (I'll be out of town this weekend). Well, it didn't happen next week or even the week after. Getting the FOP Standards Compliance page[1] up to snuff has been, shall we say... challenging. But I've finally got content (the table of 'compliance'!) displaying. Unfortunately, we're still not there, as the link portion (which serves as a veritable Table of Contents for the table) is not being generated yet. More importantly, the color-code system isn't working yet, either (the bgcolor is always 'white'). Also, the Citation links are not generated either. These should all prove relatively simple to resolve (especially if I had some help from someone who knows how to make that portion work: are you listening Keiron, Glen or Christian ;-) wink!). Or, I could just continue plodding through the muck and see if I can figure it out. Finally, there are a bunch of files in alt.design which don't render content. Considering the fact that alt.design may be moving on to Defoe[3], that problem may be moot (don't worry, Peter! I intend to help you get your content working... it just may not be a part of the new and improved FOP web site 'launch'). For the current state of the FOP web site, you can always point your browser to: http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/xml-fop/ [1] http://xml.apache.org/fop/compliance.html [2] http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/xml-fop/compliance.html [3] http://defoe.sourceforge.net/ Web Maestro Clay -- Clay Leeds - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webmaster/Developer - Medata, Inc. - http://www.medata.com/ PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/cleeds.asc
Re: FOP Web Site Update
Clay Leeds wrote: Well, it didn't happen next week or even the week after. Getting the FOP Standards Compliance page[1] up to snuff has been, shall we say... challenging. But I've finally got content (the table of 'compliance'!) displaying. Unfortunately, we're still not there, as the link portion (which serves as a veritable Table of Contents for the table) is not being generated yet. More importantly, the color-code system isn't working yet, either (the bgcolor is always 'white'). Also, the Citation links are not generated either. These should all prove relatively simple to resolve (especially if I had some help from someone who knows how to make that portion work: are you listening Keiron, Glen or Christian ;-) wink!). Or, I could just continue plodding through the muck and see if I can figure it out. The compliance page is quite difficult to understand, IIRC one needs to be fairly knowledgable about Cocoon sitemaps. But I last looked at it before I was a committer. I don't think the colors/sorting by compliance level are that important, however. The XSL spec lists each FO (and property, I believe) in terms of one of three compliance levels--but we don't need to duplicate that information on this page anymore. I think most people go to this page to determine if property X or formatting object Y is available, regardless of its listed compliance level in the specification. [BTW, If you can change to the bright red color for the mouse-hover like the Web Services TLP has that would be nice.] One thing perhaps we should change sometime, is to remove/replace our leading graphic on our home page [1]. For a newbie to XSL, it looks silly: See with FOP, you need to create 75 lines of XSL in order to get one line of output! Hopefully we will have something better to replace it with in the future. Thanks, Glen [1] http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/xml-fop/images/document.jpg
Re: FOP web site update
Nice job, Clay--I'm very happy with the whole site PDF in particular. Jeremias, would you please request write access for Clay now? Thanks, Glen Clay Leeds wrote: I thought you'd like to see a brief update on the FOP web site trials and tribulations. I've uploaded the web portion of the output of a forrest run here: http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/xml-fop_site/site/index.html Of special note: - Breadcrumb Trail believe it or not, the breadcrumb is actually working as it is supposed to (yeah!), and we should soon have the problem fixed on our site. It looks funny, because it's in the /webmaestro/xml-fop_site/site/ path (and each dir/ leaves a 'breadcrumb'). This problem can be easily fixed, by merely uploading a new version of the breadcrumb.js file. - Whole Site HTML - Whole Site PDF kinda self-explanatory... :-) I'm still having issues with 'forrest' BUILD FAILED errors that I keep banging my head against. We're almost there, though (I can almost smell it!). Many of the errors relate to such things as having forrest pass through files untouched (like *.svg), and how to deal with them. I've also had problems with our left-side navigation on the Development, Design Alt Design tabs. Those problems mainly relate to pages which are linked in multiple tabs (Development Alt Design tabs each have some Design links in there navigation links on the left). It might be easier to re-think that system (which is confusing, and IIRC gave Victor some headaches when he was doing this). On a somewhat related note, I'd also like to update the FO templates used to create the PDFs for Forrest, as I believe they provide too much margin all around (read extra reams of paper printer when ever printing is initiated). Almost there! Web Maestro Clay
