[VOTE] logo contest vote, round 1

2003-03-30 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Hello!

I have added #30 as somehow modified #7 and added one new penguin logo.
Now lets finally finish with this stuff. As Peter suggested lets vote by 3 
favorite logos first.

My list:
#30
#2
#21
PS. Here is the list for you convenience: 
http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/714566
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RE: [VOTE] logo contest vote, round 1

2003-03-30 Thread Victor Mote
Oleg,

The #30 on the site is the same as #7, AFAICT. The one you want is attached
to: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=104839511309330w=2. The
original email message was sent on 2003-3-23, and is from Scott Hofman, if
that helps. I have attached it to this message for your convenience.

My choices:

#30 (i.e. the version that is attached -- if we use this one, I think both
Tobias  Scott should be credited)
#10
#2

Victor Mote

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 Hello!

 I have added #30 as somehow modified #7 and added one new penguin logo.
 Now lets finally finish with this stuff. As Peter suggested lets
 vote by 3
 favorite logos first.

 My list:
 #30
 #2
 #21

 PS. Here is the list for you convenience:
 http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/714566
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RE: [VOTE] logo contest vote, round 1

2003-03-30 Thread Ralph LaChance
If non committers may vote, here is my (revised) list of 3

30, 10,  [21 and/or 22]

At 09:16 AM 3/30/2003, you wrote:
Oleg,

The #30 on the site is the same as #7, AFAICT. The one you want is attached
to: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=104839511309330w=2. The
original email message was sent on 2003-3-23, and is from Scott Hofman, if
that helps. I have attached it to this message for your convenience.
My choices:

#30 (i.e. the version that is attached -- if we use this one, I think both
Tobias  Scott should be credited)
#10
#2
Victor Mote

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 Subject: [VOTE] logo contest vote, round 1


 Hello!

 I have added #30 as somehow modified #7 and added one new penguin logo.
 Now lets finally finish with this stuff. As Peter suggested lets
 vote by 3
 favorite logos first.

 My list:
 #30
 #2
 #21

 PS. Here is the list for you convenience:
 http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/714566
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RE: [VOTE] logo contest vote, round 1

2003-03-30 Thread Ralph LaChance
At 09:33 AM 3/30/2003, you wrote:

If non committers may vote, here is my (revised) list of 3

30, 10,  [21 and/or 22]
darn, meant to say 30 as modified by Scott Hofman
- the one with the feather moved inside the O of Fop -
its kinda hard to vote for something that isn't on the page of pix  ;-)


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Re: [VOTE] logo contest vote, round 1

2003-03-30 Thread Peter B. West
My vote is unchanged:

#24
#15
#16
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Re: [VOTE] logo contest vote, round 1

2003-03-30 Thread Keiron Liddle
Hi,

My three would be:
30, 13 and 20

Keiron

 Hello!
 
 I have added #30 as somehow modified #7 and added one new penguin logo.
 Now lets finally finish with this stuff. As Peter suggested lets vote by 3 
 favorite logos first.
 
 My list:
 #30
 #2
 #21
 
 PS. Here is the list for you convenience: 
 http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/714566


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Re: [VOTE] logo contest vote, round 1

2003-03-30 Thread Jeremias Maerki
My list:
#9 (somehow modified as in 
http://cvs.apache.org/~jeremias/fop2-by-Chuck-White-modified.pdf)
#30 (modified)
#13 (without the red dot)


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Re: [VOTE] logo contest vote, round 1

2003-03-30 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Victor Mote wrote:

The #30 on the site is the same as #7, AFAICT. The one you want is attached
to: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=104839511309330w=2. The
original email message was sent on 2003-3-23, and is from Scott Hofman, if
that helps. I have attached it to this message for your convenience.
Thanks, fixed.

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Re: logo contest

2003-03-26 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Victor Mote wrote:

Well, I like the idea of inkstand and feather also. What about combining 
it with another logo?


Sure. What did you have in mind?
I don't know, just combine inkstand and feather with another style-appropriate 
logo, which consists of letters only.

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Re: logo contest

2003-03-24 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Peter B. West wrote:

Let's choose from the submissions, and if there is a consensus that some 
tweaking is required, we can go back to the designer with a request for 
a change.
Here is my favourite three:
#2 (I like the parrot idea, but sure it should be tweaked)
#21/22 (a little bit minimalistic, but looks good)
#9
So I propose to all committers (who didn't make it yet) to declare their 3 
favorites and then we can repeat the same with the filtered list, as you 
suggested earlier.
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Re: logo contest SVG question

2003-03-24 Thread Clay Leeds
J.Pietschmann wrote:
Clay Leeds wrote:

As a side note, does anyone know how to get SVG to display in Mozilla 
(1.3b). I tried installing the SVG plugin, but I can't get it to work.


Works with 1.2.1: copy NPSVGvw.dll, SVGView.dll and SVGViewer.zip into
the Mozilla plugins folder and restart. There's still the license screen
I have to get rid of.
J.Pietschmann
I am unable to find those files on my hard drive. I've downloaded Adobe
SVG Viewer 3.0 and when I run it, it indicates it has completed
installation, but Mozilla is still unable to display SVG (IE works fine
after running). Unfortunately, there is no interactivity when running
SVGView.exe. After some searching, I've been able to find these files
this directory:
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Adobe\SVG Viewer 3.0
NPSVG3.dll
ReadMe.html
SVG3ACE.dll
SVG3AGM.dll
SVG3BIB.dll
SVG3CT.dll
SVG Viewer License.txt
SVGAbout.svg
SVGCore.dll
SVGHelp.html
SVGRSRC.dll
SVGViewer.dict
After reading the ReadMe  SVGHelp.html files I'm still stuck. You
indicated three files which aren't listed. In addition, there is no
*.zip file (you and the ReadMe file indicate needing a zip file).
I've tried copying these files to the plugins directory, but Mozilla 
crashes as soon as an SVG page is loaded (the FOP logo contest page or 
the Adobe SVG Demo page). I've also tried it with just NPSVG3.dll, 
SVGCore.dll and SVGViewer.dict.

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RE: logo contest

2003-03-24 Thread Victor Mote
Scott Hofmann wrote:

 Victor, since one of my choices was also #7 with a dislike of the
 font i decided to post a revised version.

Oooh. I like that a lot. Definitely my favorite. Thanks for submitting that.

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Re: logo contest SVG question

2003-03-24 Thread J.Pietschmann
Clay Leeds wrote:
I am unable to find those files on my hard drive. I've downloaded Adobe
SVG Viewer 3.0
My SVGViewer identifies itself as
 Version 2.0 (Build 55, 03/14/01)
You'd better ask on a Mozilla  related forum for further help.

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Re: logo contest

2003-03-24 Thread J.Pietschmann
Victor Mote wrote:
Victor, since one of my choices was also #7 with a dislike of the
font i decided to post a revised version.
Oooh. I like that a lot. Definitely my favorite. Thanks for submitting that.
Me too!

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Re: logo contest

2003-03-24 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
J.Pietschmann wrote:

Victor, since one of my choices was also #7 with a dislike of the
font i decided to post a revised version.


Oooh. I like that a lot. Definitely my favorite. Thanks for submitting 
that.


Me too!
Well, I like the idea of inkstand and feather also. What about combining 
it with another logo?
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Re: logo contest SVG question (How to view SVG w Mozilla)

2003-03-24 Thread Clay Leeds
I was unable to load Adobe SVG Viewer 3.0. But Adobe SVG v2.0 is another 
story! I downloaded the archived SVG Viewer 2.0 found here:

  http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/old.html

After downloading and running the installer, I copied NPSVGvw.dll, 
SVGView.dll and SVGViewer.zip to my Mozilla Plugins directory from:

  C:\WINDOWS\system32\Adobe\SVG Viewer\

The first time I loaded the FOP logo poll page, Mozilla hung. Then I 
relaunched Mozilla, and it works! Thanks!

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RE: logo contest

2003-03-24 Thread Victor Mote
Oleg Tkachenko wrote:

 Well, I like the idea of inkstand and feather also. What about combining 
 it with another logo?

Sure. What did you have in mind?

Victor Mote

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Re: logo contest

2003-03-24 Thread Clay Leeds
I too like the re-tooled #7 by Scott Hofman. However, I am leaning 
toward a lowercase fop for the logo (as in #10). I like the feeling I 
get from the serif of the f and the p. I also like the circular o in 
#13 (although the red dot reminds me I need to use visine...)

My non-vote in order of preference:
#10 (with or without the background fo)
#7 (as modified by Scott Hofman)
#9 (the modified version--I don't recall who modified it)
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Re: logo contest

2003-03-24 Thread Ralph LaChance
Hi,

I can't recall if the first winnowing round was for 3 or 4 picks, and
I never noticed whether non-committers were even eligible to vote.
So anyway, here's my $0.02

For round I nominate:

7, 10,  21 and/or 22
13 (maybe w/out the dot - I also think of visine)
Many congratulations to all the submitters.
Who would have expected so many worthy entries!
-ralph
 committed, but not a committer  ;-)
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Re: logo contest

2003-03-24 Thread Peter B. West
As the modified logo is so popular, we should probably include it in the 
list for voting, and let those who like it change their vote.  Let's 
make it #30.

Peter

Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
J.Pietschmann wrote:

Victor, since one of my choices was also #7 with a dislike of the
font i decided to post a revised version.


Oooh. I like that a lot. Definitely my favorite. Thanks for 
submitting that.


Me too!


Well, I like the idea of inkstand and feather also. What about combining 
it with another logo?
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Re: logo contest

2003-03-23 Thread Peter B. West
My favourites

#24
#15
#16
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Re: logo contest

2003-03-23 Thread Peter B. West
Fopdevs,

Let's choose from the submissions, and if there is a consensus that some 
tweaking is required, we can go back to the designer with a request for 
a change.

Peter

Scott Hofmann wrote:
Victor, since one of my choices was also #7 with a dislike of the font i 
decided to post a revised version.
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Re: logo contest

2003-03-22 Thread Scott Hofmann
Here are my comments regarding the proposed FOP logo designs.
Number correspond to logos at 
http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/714566_ :

1. ready for a change
2. Is attractive but does not say much to me about FOP
3. Too symbolic of the ANT project
4. nice - Clean like the use of transparency
5. same as 4, like the blue on 5 better
6. not interested in this one
7. nice - but dislike the Font used for FOP.
8. not interested in this one- not elegant enough
9. not interested in this one - not elegant enough
10. nice - but concerned about the text behind that would get lost at 
a reduced logo size. I think the use of lowercase actually works in 
this logo since the spelled out version is also lower case
11. not interested in this one
12. similar to 11
13. Like this one but would like to see a different font used for the 
f and p. seems like the F,O, and P should be lowercase to match 
the bigger letters that are lowercase.
14. not interested in this one - To much flair
15. not interested in this one
16. not interested in this one
17. nice - but i think it looks to much like 3 different elements 
rather then one logo
18. like this one - but concerned again about the type in the 
background getting lost at a smaller logo size. Also it looks more 
like a layout rather then a logo.
19. not interested in this one
20. nice - i like the way this one shows a process of being empty 
then going through the apache quill, then becoming transformed into a 
filled object.
21. nice - like the way it shows the fo. could be made a little 
more compact. not sure if it would look as nice if it was converted 
to one color.
22. similar comments as 21
23. not interested in this one - does not say much to me about FOP
24. not interested in this one - does not say much to me about FOP
25. not interested in this one - imagery is not clear enough on this one
26 -29. not interested in this one - looks like something you might 
see at a tattoo parlor or on the side of a mailbox :)

top choices:
4, 7, 10, 13, 18, 20, 21
top 4+ would be:
7 (different font with the ink and quill placed artfully in front of the 'O'
10 (i'd like to see the background tags move down three lines and end 
the tags where they do currently.
13 (with a little refinement on the font for the 'f' and 'p'
20

18 (i think i would have to throw out 18 becuase it looks more like a 
layout then a logo - unless of course it were reworked)

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RE: logo contest

2003-03-22 Thread Scott Hofmann
Victor, since one of my choices was also #7 with a dislike of the 
font i decided to post a revised version.
-Scott

At 1:58 PM -0700 3/14/03, Victor Mote wrote:

If the question is how the winner should be picked, I don't know. As far as
the logo itself goes, here are my favorites (in order):
1. #7 (Tobias Muller, fountain pen feather). This is my favorite concept.
With hi-tech names  logos both, you want to go one of two directions --
either be explicitly hi-tech, or something so classic that it will never be
outdated. I generally prefer the latter, and the feather  fountain pen work
well. I think if the text and typeface were tweaked quite a bit, this would
be great. The lowercase type used in #10 looks much less imposing, and the
typeface (is that Minion?) is much better. I would like to see us ask Tobias
for some other versions with other typeface/color combinations.


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Re: logo contest

2003-03-21 Thread Clay Leeds
I continually have problems viewing SVG in Mozilla. I can see it OK in 
M$IE but I hate using it. What would it take to create JPG versions of 
the SVG submissions?

rantI definitely think that a requirement for the logo is an SVG 
version (scalability, blah blah...), but shouldn't we have the LOGO 
submissions be in JPG or GIF so that we can view them all on the same 
page without resorting to the monopoly browser? Having to go to 
Netscape.com and try to find an SVG plugin (which I never got to work 
in my browser) is a bit annoying. Every time someone e-mailed a JPG or 
GIF file, I looked at it and thought... cool. Every time someone 
e-mailed an SVG, I thought $#%! I can't view the darn thing! I 
must've gone to the Netscape plugin page 5 times trying to get SVG to 
work in Mozilla's browser/Messenger but to no avail. My $.02/rant

p.s. Please forgive the rant! The coffee's still brewing... ;-)

J.Pietschmann wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:

This will have to wait until Joerg gets back from London.


...and until a SVG viewer is up and running :-/

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Re: logo contest SVG question

2003-03-21 Thread J.Pietschmann
Clay Leeds wrote:
As a side note, does anyone know how to get SVG to display in Mozilla 
(1.3b). I tried installing the SVG plugin, but I can't get it to work.
Works with 1.2.1: copy NPSVGvw.dll, SVGView.dll and SVGViewer.zip into
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Re: logo contest

2003-03-21 Thread J.Pietschmann
Peter B. West wrote:
This will have to wait until Joerg gets back from London.
Ok, my favorites:
#7, although I'd like it much more with a more classic typeface
  (a serif font, or even Fractur).
#10 nice and clean
#2 the foparrot :-)
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Re: logo contest

2003-03-20 Thread Christian Geisert
J.Pietschmann wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:

This will have to wait until Joerg gets back from London.
...and until a SVG viewer is up and running :-/
Have you tried Squiggle (Batik's SVG viewer) ?
You just have to copypaste the URLs from the HTML source.
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Re: logo contest

2003-03-19 Thread J.Pietschmann
Peter B. West wrote:
This will have to wait until Joerg gets back from London.
...and until a SVG viewer is up and running :-/

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Re: logo contest

2003-03-17 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Peter B. West wrote:
Let's do some elimination rounds.  Everyone pick a small number of 
favourites, say 3.  Eliminate anything that doesn't get 2 votes.  Do the 
same, specifying 2 favourites.  Eliminate.  Then vote for 1 logo.  Most 
votes wins.  In the event of a tie, there's a run-off for the winner.
Good idea, Peter.

This will have to wait until Joerg gets back from London.
Sure.

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Re: logo contest

2003-03-16 Thread Peter B. West
Let's do some elimination rounds.  Everyone pick a small number of 
favourites, say 3.  Eliminate anything that doesn't get 2 votes.  Do the 
same, specifying 2 favourites.  Eliminate.  Then vote for 1 logo.  Most 
votes wins.  In the event of a tie, there's a run-off for the winner.

This will have to wait until Joerg gets back from London.

Peter

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RE: logo contest

2003-03-14 Thread Victor Mote
Oleg Tkachenko wrote:

 So, we've got 28 logos [1] submitted. Now lets pick out the
 winner somehow.
 Comments?

If the question is how the winner should be picked, I don't know. As far as
the logo itself goes, here are my favorites (in order):

1. #7 (Tobias Muller, fountain pen feather). This is my favorite concept.
With hi-tech names  logos both, you want to go one of two directions --
either be explicitly hi-tech, or something so classic that it will never be
outdated. I generally prefer the latter, and the feather  fountain pen work
well. I think if the text and typeface were tweaked quite a bit, this would
be great. The lowercase type used in #10 looks much less imposing, and the
typeface (is that Minion?) is much better. I would like to see us ask Tobias
for some other versions with other typeface/color combinations.

2. #10 (Andre Halama, lower-case text, feather, xml in background). I am
afraid background xml isn't going to scale well. Maybe leave that out, or
have another version without it for small-scale stuff. As mentioned above, I
like the text very much.

3. #2 (Bernd Brandstetter, parrot looking over shoulder).

4. #13 (Lars Wallin, clockwise circle around red dot). The contents of the
o look too much like an eye to me. I think removing the red dot makes this
a nice candidate.

5. #21b (Andy Joslin). I like the idea of setting the fo in a different
color from the p. Nice clean design.

6. #24 (Pavol Vaskovic). This doesn't fit with my classic preference, but
I like it a lot.

There are several others that are really quite good as well, but the above
are my favorites.

Victor Mote


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Re: logo contest

2003-03-14 Thread Jeremias Maerki
FWIW I've played a bit with Chuck White's logo and here's the results:
http://cvs.apache.org/~jeremias/fop2-by-Chuck-White-modified.pdf

The logo on the web poll looks huge and bulky compared to others, but
when looked at from a distance, it looks even better.

Does that sound like I like this design very much? :-)

On 13.03.2003 19:28:17 Jeremias Maerki wrote:
 My favourite is the green design by Chuck White (#9) most. Reasons:
 - It emphasizes on FO be playing with the color, showing that FOP is
   not a Fop, but a FO P, an FO processor.
 - I like the pencil that is nicely integrated with the logo. Very nice
   idea.
 - The logo scales well and has good contrast, making it possible to
   create a good grayscale or b/w version for printing on laser printers.
 - I'm not 100% sure about the color though. Green, I don't know. Maybe
   we should play with it and see if different coloring improves it.


Jeremias Maerki

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logo contest

2003-03-13 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Hello!

So, we've got 28 logos [1] submitted. Now lets pick out the winner somehow.
Comments?
[1] http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/714566
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Re: logo contest

2003-03-13 Thread Jeremias Maerki
My favourite is the green design by Chuck White (#9) most. Reasons:
- It emphasizes on FO be playing with the color, showing that FOP is
  not a Fop, but a FO P, an FO processor.
- I like the pencil that is nicely integrated with the logo. Very nice
  idea.
- The logo scales well and has good contrast, making it possible to
  create a good grayscale or b/w version for printing on laser printers.
- I'm not 100% sure about the color though. Green, I don't know. Maybe
  we should play with it and see if different coloring improves it.

I also like the one from Lars Vallin with the red dot in the o (#13).
But somehow I've got the impression that I've seen this design already
somewhere. But I can't hit home, yet.

Also, the one by Pavol Vaskovic (#23,#24) is pretty good.

I wonder what your favourites are...

On 13.03.2003 19:10:36 Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
 So, we've got 28 logos [1] submitted. Now lets pick out the winner somehow.
 Comments?


Jeremias Maerki


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Re: logo contest

2003-03-13 Thread Clay Leeds
Oleg,

I just voted and noticed that there're already a bunch of votes. Perhaps 
 it would be good to clear all of the votes and have everyone vote--now 
that all of the submissions have been made.

BTW, I see a _bunch_ of very nice logos here! It'll be a tough choice, 
and I'm sure it'll be neck  neck for a few of them. Do we have to 
choose only one? ;-p

Web Maestro Clay

Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
Hello!

So, we've got 28 logos [1] submitted. Now lets pick out the winner somehow.
Comments?
[1] http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/714566


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Re: logo contest SVG question

2003-03-13 Thread Clay Leeds
I like Andy Joslin's #21  #22 for some of the same reasons Jeremias 
likes Chuck White's (FO P). I also like Andy Joslin's because they are 
SVG and the colors are relatively easy to adjust to match the document 
design (this could be bad, too!). Machael Schnuerle's are fun as well. 
His integration of Escher's hands writing each other (pencil ** Apache 
feather!) is great! Andre Halama's #10 is simple but elegant and shows 
xsl-fo in the background, along with the Apache feather. It's hard to 
pick a favorite, but I chose Tobias Muller's #7 for its simplicity.

As a side note, does anyone know how to get SVG to display in Mozilla 
(1.3b). I tried installing the SVG plugin, but I can't get it to work. I 
have to unfortunately launch Micro$loth Internet Exploiter to view the 
poll in all its glory. ;-\

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