[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Hungary Report – March 2011
Deal all, The March report of Wikimedia Hungary is available in English at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g/March_2012 (and for your convenience, copied below). Translations, questions, comments, +1's, likes, etc. are appreciated. Best regards, Bence Damokos Wikimedia Hungary *Wikimedia Hungary Report* *Vol 5 Issue 3* *March 2012* *Prepared by: Bence Damokos* This is an update on Wikimedia Hungary's activities covering the March 2012 period. Our newest reports, originally written in English, are now translatable to any language, and we would appreciate if you found them worthwhile for translation. Earlier reports not originally published in English will not be prioritised for translation as long as the Translate extension does not support translation from source languages other than English (see bug 35489https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35489 ). Activities http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Hungary_Cake.JPG Cake to celebrate the best articles of 2011 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meeting_1032012_Budapest_2.jpg Group picture at the 10 March meetup http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Globus_Cannery_02.JPG The Globus Cannery, an example of a picture taken of a building whose article was written as a result of the photowalk http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vince_f%C3%A9nyk%C3%A9pez.JPG The ograniser of the tour is taking a picture of the interior of a church. - Building on the success of our 2010 maintenance competition we organised a big spring clean up competitionhttp://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g/Karbantart%C3%B3verseny_2012 on Hungarian Wikipedia aimed at reducing the backlog in maintenance categories. In three weeks over 1700 maintenance issues were solved: over 500 articles were provided with sources, around 250 were given an infobox and at least 300 articles were expanded. The various tasks performed by the 38 competitors were assigned 1-5 points, and the editors with the most points in the end could choose from a number of Wikipedia-themed items and shopping vouchers as their prize, while all editors who participated will receive some small gift. - On 10 March we held a community meetup in Budapest, with about 40 Wikipedians, including three people invited from the Slovene Wikipedia community. At the meetup the writers of the best Wikipedia articles of 2011http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Az_%C3%A9v_sz%C3%B3cikke/2011 were acknowledged. The best articles, written or expanded in 2011, were nominated by the community and chosen by a vote. Wikimedia Hungary provided the diplomas and celebratory cake for the award ceremony. - Vince, a community member has volunteered to systematically photograph Budapest, the capital of Hungary, and to write some of the missing articles. To make the event more fun, he has started organising photowalks in Budapest,http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wikital%C3%A1lkoz%C3%B3k/Fot%C3%B3t%C3%BAr%C3%A1k where participants photograph all the notable buildings and public features of a given part of the city. The first tour was held on 25 March with the participation of 5 people, who took about a hundred pictureshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedian_photowalks_in_Hungary and later about a dozen articles were written or improved about the buildings the photos show. The next tour is scheduled for 15 April and everyone is welcome. Wikimedia Hungary has supported the organiser in covering his transportation costs and we would be happy to fund other community-led projectshttp://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g/K%C3%B6z%C3%B6ss%C3%A9gi_t%C3%A1mogat%C3%A1si_keret, as well. - On 9 March Bence Damokos visited Bratislava to meet the Wikipedians behind the future Wikimedia Slovakiahttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Slovakia chapter. Wikimedia Slovakia held its first General Assembly with the three original members who were later joined by a few local and Austrian Wikipedians. At the meeting they discussed projects like Wiki Loves Monuments, and an outreach effort they initiated towards local schools and libraries, as well as the technicalities of running an NGO. Bence advised them that Wikimedia natonal organisations (or chapters) are usually approved when they have a membership of at least 15-20 people, but nevertheless the group could ask to be recognised as a User Grouphttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_affiliation_models, and get general support from the Wikimedia Foundation. - Gergő Tisza and Bence Damokos have participated in the Berlin Wikimedia Conference http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2012. Our annual State of the Chapter presentation is available herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki
[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Hungary Report - February 2012
Dear all,
Please find the February 2012 report of Wikimedia Hungary available at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g/February_2012.
Reports covering the September-November 2011 period have also been
published in Hungarian at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g.
We hope to use the Translate extension so that over time our Hungarian
reports can be read in English and our English reports in Hungarian. In the
mean time, we are happy to answer any questions.
For your convenience, the February report is copied below.
Best regards,
Bence Damokos
Wikimedia Hungary
'''Wikimedia Hungary Report'''
'''Vol 5 Issue 2'''
'''February 2012'''
''Prepared by: Bence Damokos''
This is an update on Wikimedia Hungary's activities covering the February
2012 period. We have recently uploaded to Meta our reports for the
September-November 2011 period in Hungarian, you can find them
[[Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimédia_Magyarország|here]].
==Activities ==
* We have awarded one small grant to buy a book to help improve articles on
[[:en:Franz Liszt|Franz Liszt]]. Furthermore, we have created info pages
about our programs to provide funding for community projects[1] and
travel[2].
* Work has been ongoing on replenishing our stock of Wikipedia themed
merchandise. Tangible results are expected by end of March, early April.
* We held two smaller scale meetups for our members, at one of them Milos
Rancic from Wikimedia Serbia was also present.
* Furthermore, a full-day board meeting was held with the main topic being
the implementation of our annual plan.[3]
* Orsolya, one of our members has participated in the Open Wiki GLAM of
Serbia event in Belgrade.[4]
* Bence, our vice-president participated in the Paris finance summit.[5]
* Bence (later joined by Ting Chen, Chair of the Wikimedia Foundation) has
spent a weekend as a guest of Slovene Wikipedians as they were celebrating
the tenth anniversary of the Slovene Wikipedia.[6] The anniversary has
garnered substantial media attention. On the visit, Bence has discussed the
idea of a Slovene Wikipedia chapter and the general process and
requirements of establishing a local Wikimedia organisation.
* Our office manager has participated in a conference and training about
the new laws and regulations governing Hungarian civil society, and has
prepared a summary of the regulatory context.[7]
* Our website was restored following a crash in January[8]
* We have started preparing a campaign to collect 1% income tax allocations
from Hungarian donors. A specialized fundraising agreement with the
Wikimedia Foundation was agreed to and (as of March 2012) signed.
* Csongor Gál has joined our ranks as a communications intern until about
April.
== Financials ==
The following financial data is provided for informational purposes only.
The data presented is not audited and may change slightly as all invoices
come in. Amounts are in Hungarian Forints.
=== Expenses ===
[[File:Wikimedia Hungary expenses in 2012.png|right|thumb|Expenses by month
of Wikimedia Hungary in 2012]]
{|
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''Category'''
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''January'''
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''February'''
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''Total YTD'''
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''Plan 2012'''
|-
| postage fees|| 18 286|| 2 315|| 20 601|| 30 000
|-
| server maintenance|| 34 375|| 34 375|| 68 750|| 420 000
|-
| employee and employment costs|| 17 705|| 235 038|| 252 743||
2 500 000
|-
| office space|| 13 875|| 9 398|| 23 273|| 60 000
|-
| telephone|| 11 553|| 5 135|| 16 688|| 100 000
|-
| printer and printing costs|| 33 610|| - || 33 610|| 70 000
|-
| debt to Wikimedia Austria|| 61 100|| - || 61 100|| 50 000
|-
| banking fees|| 7 165|| 3 850|| 11 015|| 50 000
|-
| community travel|| 4 320|| - || 4 320|| 1 725 000
|-
| board travel|| - || 119 200|| 119 200|| 650 000
|-
| board meeting|| - || 46 818|| 46 818|| 100 000
|-
| small grants programme|| - || 3 200|| 3 200|| 100 000
|-
| accountant|| 13 208|| - || 13 208|| 300 000
|-
| '''Total:'''|| '''215 197'''|| '''459 329'''|| '''674 526'''||
|}
=== Revenues===
[[File:Wikimedia_Hungary_income_in_2012.png|right|thumb|Revenues by month
of Wikimedia Hungary in 2012]]
{|
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''Category'''
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''January'''
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''February'''
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''Total YTD'''
| align=center style=background:#f0f0f0;|'''Plan 2012'''
|-
| donations|| 9 500|| 113 000|| 122 500|| -
|-
| interest|| 39 705|| 36 406|| 76 111|| -
|-
| membership fees|| 19 000|| 6 000|| 25 000
[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapters Committee update
Hi, It is with great pleasure that I can announce that following the public call for candidates, the Chapters Committee has selected five new members to serve in approving chapters and pending further discussion on movement roles, possibly other types of organisations. The new members are: - Galileo Vidoni - Lodewijk Gelauff (reelected) - Maria Sefidari - Bengt Oberger - Tomasz Kozłowski They are joined by: - Damian Finol, - Ray Saintonge, - Sebastian Moleski - Jeromy-Yu Chan - Bence Damokos (chair) We would like to express our gratitude to Austin Hair, Vladimir Medeyko and Nathan Carter who have helped scores of chapters on their way to approval in their long and dedicated service in the Committee, and their service has now ended. Delphine Ménard, one of the original members of the Chapters Committee has applied to serve on in an advisory capacity. (Read full resolution here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_Committee/Resolutions/Resolutions/Membership_March_2012_%E2%80%93_March_2012 ) We look forward to the renewed energy the new members will bring to the Committee as we take on new challenges and try to make our work as a Committee more efficient and transparent. Chapcom will hold an internal meeting in Berlin on 29th March, and members of the Committee will attend the following Chapters Meeting – please seek us out with any questions, queries, ideas or concerns during the conference. Best regards, Bence Damokos Chair, Chapters Committee ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Foundation-L, the public mailing list about the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects. For more information about Foundation-L: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Hungary Report - January 2012
Dear all, The January 2012 report of Wikimedia Hungary is now available at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g/January_2012 . For your convenience, it is reproduced below. Best regards, Bence Damokos, Wikimedia Hungary *Wikimedia Hungary Report* *Vol 5 Issue 1* *January 2011* *Prepared by: Bence Damokos* This is an update on Wikimédia Magyarország's activities covering January 2012. Reports covering the September - December 2011 period have been prepared but due to a server crashhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g/January_2012#Server_crash they will only be released at a later time. Meetings During the month of January we had one general membership meetup and a board meeting. The membership meetup was aimed at community building and discussing ongoing projects and ideas. The main reason for the board meeting was to admit three new members. With the admission of the newest members, Wikimedia Hungary now has 60 members. Employee January has been a great leap professionally for Wikimedia Hungary by hiring Tamás Mészöly as our office manager in charge of most administrative duties and special projects we assign to him. He has started working at the end of December, but due to holidays, January was his first full month. His first main tasks have been setting up the office (telephone, printer, access to the bank account), working with our accountant, members and board on closing the books on 2011 and as gesture towards our partners, ordering and sending out our greetings cards. Server crash On or around 11 January the RAID controller component of a server hosting our websites and a number of web services (like our membership application form, among others) has crashed and due to an error of the replacement controller some data has been corrupted. We have already migrated essential services (like e-mail) to our own serverhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g/February_2011#Toolserver, and are working on restoring and recreating the content that was stored on the crashed server (and obviously, implementing an off-site backup solution). In the mean time, wikimedia.hu redirects to our Meta-Wiki pagehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g . Zagreb trip Wikimedia Hungary has received much help from its partners in previous years and we wanted to contribute back this year by encouraging the self-organization of Wikimedia communities in the neighbouring countries and supporting the participation of Wikipedians in the neighbouring regions in Hungarian and regional Wikimedia events. It is this theme that the independently conceived idea of a Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees–Chapters Committeehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_Committee trips to the region fit into; and as the first step, Ting Chen from the Board of Trustees, and Miloš Rančić (Wikimedia Serbiahttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Serbia) and Bence Damokos (Wikimedia Hungary) from the Chapters Committee visited Zagreb between 20-22 January. On the trip they made contact with and between the local Wikipedians, who have already founded the not-yet-recognized Wikimedia Croatia chapter and a local hackerspace organization called MAMA. The visitors tried to encourage Croatian Wikipedians to have regular meetups (possibly facilitated by a travel costs grant from the Wikimedia Foundation) and to restart the recognition process of Wikimedia Croatiahttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Croatia . The next destination is Sloveniahttp://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Pod_lipo#Obisk_iz_Wikimedie, which we will visit on the weekend of 26 February, on the 10th anniversary celebrationhttp://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:V_%C5%BEivo/Desetletnica of the Slovenian Wikipedia. Ongoing projects and project ideas In January a number of projects have started life in the discussion phase and some have gotten to later stages of completeness, however, they will only bear fruit at later times. - We have started working on replenishing our supply of smaller value goody items (pens, pencils, yo-yos, etc.), which will probably continue in February once we find a printer who can confidently print on curving surfaces (for the pencils and other round items we were considering). - We have offered six partial scholarshipshttp://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships for Wikimania 2012, and have approved one travel support request to the Open Wiki GLAM of Serbiahttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_Wiki_GLAM_of_Serbia event in February. - Based on the suggestions of Wikimedia Estonia to have a dedicated workshop in the summer, we have begun thinking on what resources we could mobilize to help the development of Wikipedias in Finno-Ugric languages (e.g. presentations at conferences, getting students involved, etc.). - We also
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 2 February 2012 00:06, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, from the results of the least chapter and community seats election my opinion is that the former are *wyyy* more en.wiki-centered than the first. Really? How do you work that out? The current occupants of the chapter seats are one English Wikipedian and one German Wikipedians (50% en.wiki), the community seats are two English Wikipedians and one German/Chinese Wikipedian (67% en.wiki). (Judging by their biographies at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Board_of_Trustees ) He was talking about the election, not necessarily the result. But in any case, that is still a 33% difference. I think the community elections are sometimes perceived as en.wikipedia centric, even if the actual voter turnout could suggest otherwise. (I haven't been able to find voter statistics per project, so the perception might actually be correct even if the people who win are at least partially international.) Anyhow, the nice chart at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Board_of_Trustees does suggest that editors of the English Wikipedia or people of an Anglo-Saxon background tend to occupy around half of the elected seats at any time; while the majority of the appointed seats seem to be held by people who fit this category. At least this is a general perception, of course many of them edit other projects, live in different countries and speak languages, but you can't help if people have a perception that the chapter selected seats might not be as en.wiki centric (although, there is a good chance that we simply continue the pattern of choosing an English and a non-English native speaker trustee). Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:42 AM, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/1 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com that is a bit OT but... Not at all, it is a statement of fact. The continent of Africa is scarcely represented in terms of Chapters, despite being the world's largest geographically and second most populous geographically. *It is difficult to get involved in chapters when, like me, you live in Africa, and the only approved chapter for the entire continent is 8,000 kilometres away.* Create one in your country! :D That is basicaly what we are doing in IberoCoop - help groups from all over Latin World with guidance and help. And IF they want to became a chapter, we help them (talk with ChapCom members, each month we have a new request from a Latin Chapter ;) ) I rather expected you to say that. Currently the number of people on Meta who have expressed an interest (two to three years ago) does not excede 10. I daresay with help from ChapCom something could be done, though. Notwithstanding, that would leave another 54 unrepresented countries. My point is that African residents are disenfranchised virtually totally from the selection. That's nearly 15% of the world's population (though not of its readers/editors). Unfortunately, readers and editors from Africa represent only 1% and 0.6% respectively of the total traffic to Wikimedia sites ( http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerCountryOverview.htm ; http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryTrends.htm ). However, it is good news that we have a chapter in South Africa (technically still working on being incorporated) and one in Kenya (to be approved by the Board soon). Together they could represent 5% of the votes for chapter selected seats if they finish their founding process on time. Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapters Committee Call for Candidates
Dear all, The Chapters Committee[1], the committee that is mainly responsible for the preparation of approval of new chapters is looking for five new members, and we are looking for candidates. The main focus of Chapcom is to guide groups of volunteers in forming chapters. We make sure that the group is large enough (and advise them on how to get bigger), review their bylaws for compliance with the requirements for chapters and advise the Board of the Wikimedia Foundation on chapter approvals. This requires communication with chapter candidates all over the World, negotiating skills and cultural sensitivity and the ability to understand legal texts. Key skills/experience that we are looking for in new members are typically: * willingness to work in a sometimes bureaucratic process (reviewing bylaws can be somewhat boring) * 1-2 hours per week availability * international orientation * good communication skills in English * ability to work and communicate with other cultures * a strong understanding of the structure and work of both chapters and the WMF * experience with or in an active chapter * an active position in a chapter is a plus * communication skills in other major world languages are a plus The number of chapter applications is increasing and help is wanted! You can send your applications with your name, contact data, experience and motivation to the ChapCom email address, chaptercommitte...@lists.wikimedia.org by February 15. The applications will be considered by the current members. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to email me privately. I am also happy to chat with anyone about our work, if this helps them decide to apply. Please distribute this call widely among your networks, and do apply if you are interested. Best regards, Bence Damokos chair, Chapters Committee [1]: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Foundation-L, the public mailing list about the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects. For more information about Foundation-L: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Smurfs Movie is infringing on wikipedia copyright
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Well I found it disturbing, and i stlll find it disturbing. I still find that we are failing our mission if we just accept this. Someone has to stand up and say something about this, so I guess I will have to stand alone. here are some stats on the licences in general http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Metrics/License_statistics I did not find any license stats for wikipedia or commons. Also a number of images are fair usage on wikipedia. In any case, it is a bad example for kids, it is a bad example for students, it is a bad example for anyone. we should not allow the wikipedia logo and name to be used in such a manner. People need to check the license before you use them, advertising agencies cannot just take pictures off the wikipedia and copy them into your advertising, students cannot just copy them into their homework. You need to research into them first and check the license. I guess, this is just one of the times where things in Hollywood are a bit different than in real life. The students and kids will just have to realize that things in films are not always true to life... (Without having seen the movie, I guess a long sequence on proper licensing would have been very boring, and ad agencies in real life would have a legal team making sure the licences are alright and who would be sued if they aren't – it's not like they would take their cues from a short scene in a Smurfs movie.) Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I agree entirely with Risker, and I want to applaud the WM RS Board members for responding so quickly in support of the Italian Wikimedians on this issue. Milos, I missed your board's public statement -- can you send me a link so I can share it in my networks? http://rs.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2_2/2011 Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Sending announcements to this list
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 August 2011 01:24, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Hi all, Just to check: I've been assuming of late that everyone that's interested in reading announcements (including things like chapter reports, committee reports and signpost issues) is subscribed to the wikimediaannounce-l mailing list - is that a valid assumption, or should reports continue to be sent to this list? I'm not subscribed to the announcements list. The idea was that everything that goes to the announcements list would also go here (as would replies to anything on the announcements list). That was supposed to be automatic, but I think there were some problems getting it to work. Could someone have another go? There must be some way to do it... (if you can't just subscribe one list to the other, how about creating a new email address that just forwards everything to foundation-l and subscribing that to the announcements list?) Ral315 and I spent some time figuring out how, but now it seems to work: Messages from WikimediaAnnounce-l are being forwarded to Foundation-l again. And Geoff had the (unwitting) honor of re-inaugurating the gateway ;) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/068171.html It might just be me, but I think the forwarding only works if one is subscribed to the foundation-l list with the e-mail address he uses for the wikimediaannounce-l. (At least I got a notice that the letter I sent to WA-l just now was rejected due to spam.) Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: It does strike me as odd that, given the legendary openness of Wikimedia-related projects and activities, at least the basic provisions of the chapter agreement isn't widely accessible. It would be very demotivating for groups to come together, gather momentum to move toward a more formal relationship with the WMF, and then find out that their ability to form a chapter is proscribed by conflicts between local requirements and the WMF standard chapter agreement. While I recognize that such a document can't really be crowd-sourced, it might be helpful to at least have it publicly available for reading. That is, unless each chapter agreement is significantly customized for the needs of the individual chapters. Hi Risker, The chapter agreement should be public. There is a version of it at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Agreement_between_chapters_and_Wikimedia_Foundation, which might be slightly out of sync with a version on an internal wiki; most chapters sign the exact same agreement ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter_agreements). The fundraising agreement that the WMF now seems to back out of should also be public: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_agreement. The proposed grant agreement is currently on an internal wiki and not public. Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Hungary Report for April 2011
Hi Asaf, At this point it is mostly a declaration of intent to cooperate. Arcanum digitises content under various copyright regimes (some are already under public domain, some they only digitise without any rights in the work, for some they receive a fixed duration permission to use), and they agreed to give us stuff that is under PD if/when we ask for it (some of it might have made its way already to Wikipedia/Wikisource randomly, especially as some of the content digitised by Arcanum is available through the Hungarian Electronic Library or their own website, and some can be bought in the (book)shops). So far we haven't asked for any specific content, but the possibility is still open. Arcanum (http://arcanum.hu/idegennyelvu/iny_index.html) has a fascinating wealth of content, some of it available on the internet (not all of it in Hungarian), so I hope we can find the pieces in there that would be most useful for a 21st century encyclopedia and request the data. If you have any wishlist, you might help us in making this partnership more successful. Best regards, Bence On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, Bence. Could you say a little more about the partnership with Arcanum? Thanks, Asaf On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Bence Damokos bence.damo...@wiki.media.huwrote: Dear all, Please find below the report on Wikimedia Hungary's activities in April 2011. It is available online at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g/April_2011 . Best regards, -- Bence Damokos Executive Vice President, Wikimedia Hungary http://wikimedia.hu http://wiki.media.hu *Wikimedia Hungary Report* *Vol 4 Issue 4* *April 2011* *Prepared by: Bence Damokos* This is an update on Wikimédia Magyarország's activities covering April 2011. For more recent updates, you can follow our blog (in Hungarian) at http://blog.wikimedia.hu Presentations In the month of April, we have held presentations about Wikipedia on the following occasions: - 8: A presentation at the the Apáczai High School in Budapest - 13: A presentation at the Humanities Faculty of the St Stephen University in Jászberény. The audience included students of library studies. - 26: A presentation at the Budapest University of Technology and Economics Partnerships - We have discussed collaboration opportunities with Arcanum, a publisher of digitised versions of out-of-copyright books, encyclopedias, maps and similar. In this spirit we have signed a partnership agreement with the publisher at the XVIII. International Book Fair of Budapest. (Press release: http://wikimedia.hu/wiki/Egy%C3%BCttm%C5%B1k%C3%B6d%C3%A9si_meg%C3%A1llapod%C3%A1s_az_Arcanum_Adatb%C3%A1zis_Kiad%C3%B3val ) - We have also had a meeting with the researchers at the Hungarian Academy of Science (MTA-SZTAKI institute) about the possibility of using their anti-plagiarism software to detect copyright violations on Wikipedia. Grants - We have submitted a report ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_HU/Wikiconference/Report ) on our 10th anniversary conference held in January. Videos of the event are available on our YouTube channel at: http://youtube.com/WikimediaHU. - Also, we have submitted a report on the 4.3 million forint ($22000) grant we have received from the Hungarian Council of Internet Providers to buy a server (see previous coverage in August 2010: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikim%C3%A9dia_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g/August_2010#Council_of_Hungarian_Internet_Providers ) - In April we have received notification that our 0.25 million forint ($1250) grant request for the National Civil Fund was approved. The grant, covering June to September 2011 is intended to cover the costs of the development of a CiviCRM credit card gateway and the printing of outreach publications. Wikisprint http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Herbert_Marshall_McLuhan_drawing.jpg http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Herbert_Marshall_McLuhan_drawing.jpg Marshall McLuhan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan A group called Kitchen Budapest has organized a Wikipedia editing sprint at Műcsarnok, one of the biggest art exhibition halls in Budapest to celebrate the 100th anniversary of Marshall McLuhan's birthday. As part of the sprint, they created and improved the McLuhan article in the Hungarian Wikipedia. A short video and a description of the event is available in English at: http://mcluhan100.kibu.hu/wikisprint/?lang=en Meetings On 4th April we held a board meeting in a Budapest café to discuss pending projects, approve new members, the transfer of our share of the Wikimedia Fundraiser (see previous report) and similar
Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter referendum
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: I've just been looking at the image filter referendum. Could someone from the Foundation please explain what you hope to gain by holding it? The questions are extremely leading, so I doubt you will learn anything useful from it (is anyone really going to say that they don't think it's important to be culturally neutral?). Are you hoping to determine people's priorities by seeing which ones they rate as 10 and which as merely 8 or 9? If so, why? Can you not just implement them all? Aside from the definition of culturally-neutral (does it mean it should include anything that any culture would consider controversial or only things that most cultures would consider such) and the general phrasing of the questions, it seems that getting to the referendum is made quite complicated. While the eligibility rules would encourage wide participation, the 1) click on sitenotice 2) read wall of text 3) go back to your own wiki, but remember the arbitrary string Securepoll/230 that doesn't mean anything in languages other than English 4) find and use the search function 5) click the go to vote link sequence is not very user friendly or usable even for the more experienced of editors. Given the prominence it is given with the sitenotice, things could be made easier for the users (e.g. move the wall of text to the securepoll server – even if it makes localization a bit more difficult; and make the sitenotice point to the voting server directly or at least to the on-wiki redirects) with relatively little effort. Best regards, Bence My understanding was that this referendum was intended to give the community some say in what happened with this proposed feature. The questions you are asking don't do that in the slightest. If you want to be able to say the feature has community support, you need to actually ask the community whether or not they support it. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24
It might be more worthwhile to put downtime status updates on status.wikimedia.org as a logical page to display the status of the servers, and link to it from the default error messages. Given that status.wm.org is an external service, it would hopefully not be affected by any outages and the Watchmouse service probably should have the functionality to host informational messages like this and explanations for outages (like appstatus.google.com does) even if only after the fact when the ops team has time to write down what is happening. Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: A lack of newbies that stick
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 5:33 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Certainly someone else can do more formal research and come up with actual numbers. But as for me I think it's ridiculous at worst and premature at best to say that new users are becoming less sticky when, it seems to me, they have in fact never been particularly sticky. The study examined those people who have registered and made at least one edit, and the ratio of the people who stuck on after their first edit has gone down, which is the basis of concern. (There are and have always been many more people who have registered but never got to edit, and many who never registered but still edited, it would be interesting to see if there is any change in proportion over time.) Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Is Google allowing users to block Wikipedia?
2011/3/20 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com One thing that might be worth telling Google would be to have some kind of warning when one searches from something else entirely, that would say results are also present in one of the sites you blocked or something like that, so that the hurdle of looking into your preferences is not barring people from even thinking about unblocking the websites they've blocked because of one page. Apparently they show a text like 2 blocked results are not shown, click to view them either at the top or the bottom of the results page depending on the place of the blocked results. Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Is Google allowing users to block Wikipedia?
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Kul Takanao Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 3/19/11 1:56 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: 2011/3/19 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: Looks like it's one of their small percentage experiments. Haven't been able to reproduce it myself. Not clear whether it's just wikipedia.org or other/all sites. Bence pointed to this explanation: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/hide-sites-to-find-more-of-what-you.html Thx. I know about the general blocking option but wanted to know if anyone has seen other sites, besides Wikipedia, specifically called out too. I haven't seen this feature in action yet, but if I understood how it works, it gives the blocking option for the site you just visited (presuming that it was a bad result and that's why you returned to the search page), that way you wouldn't see other sites called out if you return from a Wikipedia result, but you would if you choose some other result. It is just unlucky, that Wikipedia has 10M+ pages, so a simple block based on the domain can go a huge way... Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Don�t be frigid, my sweet!. http://naaldendraadborduuratelier.nl/links.php?omaSID=404 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Again: January 15 retro?
I think the banners are already enabled in most non-cat1-chapter geographies. I think they should also be enabled in other places as/once the FR thank-you messages have run their course. I support the logo change, btw. Bence -- Sent from my phone On 2011.01.11. 14:10, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, readers may be interested in local meet-ups. A link to the Ten Wiki would be great. Come on! Involve readers in this! 2011/1/11 HW waihor...@yahoo.com.hk I perfer a global notice for all project as soon as possible since some activity is going on ... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New Wikipedia videos being released this week
Hi, For localisation purposes can we somehow enable the YouTube captions system which would allow human-checked and translated subtitles to be uploaded next to the videos? (For that to work, the account owner has to do some magic I think under YouTube's settings panels and then an actually intelligent English version has to be provided that can than be translated using some hidden Google tool.) Last I checked the set-up process was a bit difficult to set up, but then the actual translation could be done fairly easily. If we choose Youtube as a distribution channel, I think we should go the extra mile and utilize its internationalization capabilities to truly reflect our values. Best regards, Bence On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org wrote: This week the Foundation is excited to be releasing four separate videos shot at the recent Wikimania Conference in Gdansk, Poland. The first video 'Username' is now posted on the WM Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_User_Name_MEDIUM.ogv Later today the Foundation will be releasing the videos on a few other platforms as well, specifically to increase public visibility: http://www.facebook.com/wikipedia http://identi.ca/wikipedia http://www.youtube.com/wikimediafoundation http://vimeo.com/wmfoundation/ I'll be posting more about the links on the Wikimedia blog later this morning (San Francisco time) blog.wikimedia.org And maybe some others. What are these videos? They were originally produced to complement the public outreach work going on now (and in the future) and to provide a short, energetic clip for folks to use in all sorts of presentations. A very good example of that would be in Sue's keynote presentation from Wikimania, which some of you may have seen. We hope everyone in the movement may find them useful, and we're particularly hopeful that they can be easily localized and shared even more widely. They shed a new light on the passionate people behind our projects. Who made them? The clips were created for the Wikimedia Foundation (led mostly by Communications and Public Outreach) by a team that's been working with the Foundation over the past year. They were directed by Jelly Helm, produced by Noah Stanik, shot by DP Reed Harkness, and edited by Sarah Marcus. The music is by Portland, Oregon based musician Matt Carey. The Germany-based film production crew Living Colour was an essential partner in bringing everything together at the shoot in Gdansk, Poland, and Fenton Communications, who have been supporting the Foundation over the past year, were our agency partners in pulling this project together. We also owe the organizers of 2010's Wikimania conference a great deal of thanks for helping us sort out the production on the ground and for letting us borrow participants for short interviews. What's next? The remaining clips will be posted on Commons and other video sharing sites through Friday. Once they're all announced we'll share another note with all of the links. You can follow the progress and hear what the public thinks on identi.ca and twitter. We hope to see the videos make an appearance in media and other blogs too. Hope you enjoy! -- Jay Walsh Head of Communications WikimediaFoundation.org blog.wikimedia.org +1 (415) 839 6885 x 609, @jansonw ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Foundation-L, the public mailing list about the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects. For more information about Foundation-L: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia movement roles project
Dear All, I would just like to point out that this specific working group is dealing with the relationship of chapters, the Foundation and possible other forms of Wikimedia groups that have offline activities. In this sense, no outcome of the proposal put to the Board or the Charter that should come out of the process in a year's time would affect any editors directly -- it will, however affect the Foundation and the chapters and to some degree the future development of the movement. It is indeed very important that those affected are part of the process and are heard – this group of people, myself included, will not be the ones doing most or even the majority of the input that goes into the charter to be; they should be seen as the ones doing the preparational and other background work that doesn't get done otherwise. To be innovative, it is also very important that those not affiliated to any of the mentioned groups participate, as well. It is a matter of practicality of who is involved in what degree in the * preparation* of the actual work that will begin after October and be very open. (In comparison to other working groups, consider the current approach a *bit* more open – oftentimes you don't hear about the preparation that goes into establishing various new initiatives). As for the members of the group, I think I should shed some light on actual affiliations: The current membership represents the above mentioned stakeholders (chapters, WMF Board and staff), with the exception of 'other forms of 'offline Wikimedia groups'', which there aren't that many of yet. The over representation of Chapcom is just a curious coincidence: Arne, SJ and Bishakka are WMF Trustees and non-voting Chapcom liaisons, not involved in the actual work of the committee. Austin and I are indeed members of the committee, Austin being one of the longest-serving members and thus having a huge experience in handling WMF-chapter relations and me being a member only since this March (if I may be so bold, I would still consider myself a relatively fresh face in WMF comitology). The call to join the Chapters committee was public, that is how I got in. Morgan's and mine actual background - and also that of Lizzy and Galileo - is being on boards of chapters. Barry is indeed on the staff of the Foundation, his portfolio includes global development and WMF-Chapter relations. Jon is a new employee hired for this group in order to help the process and provide research and insight on the organizational questions to be discussed. In the case of the same people repeatedly showing up to these committees and groups, I would note that these groups tend to form on some form of self-nomination or public nomination and that anyone involved puts in his free time and work that should not be taken lightly. Some people do amazing and unbelievable work; their numerous group membership is a sign of their dedication not their embeddedness into some cabal. The invitation to fresh people is always open and I think their application is always encouraged. I hope this clears up those questions I think I know the answer to. Best regards, Bence On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:45 PM, who this whoth...@gmail.com wrote: why not throw in florence and aprhabhala into the mix and we can round up the same advisory group cabal. maybe they are in rotation for the next one.. anyway seeing the same names over and over again irked me and I decided to comment on the issue which like many other editors I try to avoid. looking forward to seeing more of the same Anon On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:07 AM, who this whoth...@gmail.com wrote: Lets see.. Austin- chapcom member/chair Arne Klempert-chapcom member Bence Damokos-chapcom member Samuel klein-chapcom member + many others Morgan Chan- communication committee(status unknown) bishkha datta- board member barry newstead-employee jon hugget-outside employee/contractor thats how I see the current committee same people already heavily involved either retired from community editing shifting influential positions. half this working group is made of chapcom members. As for joining..I didnt see an announce or any posting for this working group like many others. they just show up, make influential decisions and disappear into some other committee. No senior editors who are currently active on there, same ppl who would be affected most by their decision. Anon On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: Anon, The percentage of community members interested in doing meta organizing and research for the movement as a whole will always be much smaller than those interested in working on a single project (or just a single task or subject within a project). It's a fact of life when it comes to any movement, online or off, and Wikimedia is not unusual in this regard. It's important
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Board meetings, minutes and motions
Hi, Thanks for this update, On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Samuel J Klein s...@wikimedia.org wrote: At the same time, we also approved the formation of Wikimedia Eesti. Welcome to the Estonian chapter! This chapter has the distinction of having received approval without translating any of their core documents into English. (While I like this, I hope that ee. editors will find time to update the Estonian pages on Meta to reflect the current state of the projects, in the language of their choice...) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Eesti http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tell_us_about_Estonian_Wikipedia For what it's worth, the bylaws were indeed translated into English, so that Chapcom didn't need to rely on my Hi! How are you? level of Estonian to understand and review them. And fortunately, Estonian seems to be pretty easily understood by Google Translate. As for projects, you can get a glimpse by looking at their grant request at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_EE/Start_up, or at the sitenotices on the Estonian Wikipedia (they are currently running an image gathering program, and previously had a competition for IT students, if I am not mistaken). I've CC'd in Ivo from the Estonian chapter, so he can correct me if I am wrong and who hopefully will be signed up to the various mailing lists soon – I also encouraged them to send periodical chapters reports of their activities once they are settled in a bit :) Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles
-Original Message- From: Jesse (Pathoschild) Date: 2010. augusztus 26. 21:29 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone else from the language committee offer a credible explanation of their special requirement for secrecy? Surely if this is a requirement, it can be explained, as Gerard did not. Hello David, There are some cases where confidentiality is necessary. We routinely ask external experts for their evaluation of the test project content before project approval, as Yaroslav mentioned early in this discussion. These external persons are sometimes in situations where speaking negatively about the content may be seen as an attack on nationalist or culturalist interests, and put them at risk of professional or personal reprisal. These persons are offered confidentiality to protect them and to ensure we get their honest opinion. However, most content can be safely made public and is published to the public archives if the email authors agree. These have not been updated recently, but only because I have not had time to do so; they should be updated in the coming months, now that someone has joined with public archival as one of their goals. By the way, the language committee never makes official statements. Any comments from Gerard or I are our personal comments. -- Yours cordially, Jesse (Pathoschild) Thanks Jesse for this explanation. I am a still bit confused as to what is the reasoning for those members who chose not to disclose their messages publicly at all – not even on a case by case basis or at least on a summary level that would make the archives readable? (One of them apparently chose so out of a conflict with their academic career, but what is the reason behind the other person's decision: does he only quote the outside experts or does he fulfill such inside expert role where he routinely has to trample on nationalistic or cultural feelings?) Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Archive
Hi, On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:47 PM, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com wrote: I took a look at the example in the french wiki, and didnt spot a date in the archive reference. If the source changes its content, this may pose a problem. If you click on an archive link the top frame will display the exact date of the archiving - I think the reason it is not displayed by default on the French Wikipedia is because the archive links are generated by JavaScript on the fly. (At least that was the case the last time I looked at the French Wikipedia.) Having the ability to store multiple copies of the same webpage (for different dates) was one of the first feature requests we had at the Hungarian Wikipedia and it seems they are working on it. Still, Wikiwix's service is very convenient and hassle free for all the static websites or references. Webcitation.org also has a service for on-demand archiving and they do store multiple versions of the same page. Unfortunately their service is often intermittent and their website tends to go dark, but otherwise it is a convenient service for manual archiving. (I had a bot once that sent each link through its service on the Hungarian Wikipedia, and for a time the English Wikipedia had a similar bot. Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011
-Original Message- From: Osama Khalid Date: 2010. augusztus 12. 14:02 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011 I can't believe people complaining about getting the visa in their passports that will later prevent them to visit an Arab country; 20 bucks and an hour standing in line and you have a new one!! (unless you live in Cuba, or Northern Korea). I dunno about this. Yaroslav was talking about losing the passport. If you can travel to Israel but then you are afraid of problems getting into a third country (that is not your home country and not Israel) than getting a new passport after you get back home is the obvious solution. (Obviously you have to calculate in the cost of the new passport – which is usually higher with lost passports than with expired ones – into your travel budget, but the fact that you can do this will boil this issue down to one of personal choice and financial standing. Travelling to third countries is also a personal choice, so obviously this extra cost shouldn't be seen as the organizers' or the Wikimania jury's fault in any way.) On an other note I believe this thread is fastly losing its merit: Wikimania will happen in Israel in 2011 and it will happen in some other part of the world in 2012. Let's stop bemoaning the decision and start gathering the people who want to go to Haifa (a beautiful city, indeed) – I am sure the organizers will do their utmost to solve any and all travel difficulties of the people who actually want to participate in the conference. The conference will only get better if we help achieve their goal of a diverse audience, instead of discouraging potential attendees by complaining even before any problems do surface. Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation
As far as push translation goes, there are languages where it could almost work and where it couldn't. (Consider the experience of the Google team with the Bengali Wikipedia - http://googletranslate.blogspot.com/2010/07/translating-wikipedia.html ) Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: When you think that Commons is bad in supporting other languages, try to find pictures of a horse on the internet in other languages like Estonian, Nepalese ... It is not the same at all as when you are looking for images in English. Don't most Internet users know enough English to be able to search for pictures of a horse in English? (According to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage), yes... Most Internet users speak the English language as a native or secondary language.) If I read the data in the article correctly, most means 35%. If we consider that current English native speakers mostly already have internet and those without internet are likelier than not to be non-English speakers I would be careful to advocate the unilateral use of English. Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.comwrote: I would consider this state as a poor reflection on Commons' accessibility. Especially as Google image search (imho, the likeliest avenue of searching for images) gives 130 000 pictures of horses on Commons if searched in English, zero if searched in Estonian (hobu), and while it gives 160 000 results for a Hungarian search (ló) on the first page only one of it is an image that resembles a horse. Here's a thought: Enter hobu into translate.google.com, leave source language on automatic and target on English, and it will happily translate it into horse. Could we offer a translation link in search? As in, translate my query into English and try again? I'm sure we can come to an arrangement with Google (or someone else). Sorry if I misunderstand your suggestion. I'm sure power users can find any number of ways to do this (I think Google already offers a similar service somewhere hidden away) though they probably speak English as well, to reach those who do not speak English or aren't power users it has to be super obvious, I'm afraid. Google will probably reach that point sometime, but while they usually support a couple of dozen languages, we do so with a couple of hundred. I would be happy to see though some translation magic applied to Commons' category system the way templates now autotranslate - given the fact that we have a huge translation community and that interwiki links and links from Wikipedia's to Commons can be used to guess the meanings (which than could be confirmed by a human in some addictive game). I am not sure if Google would take the hint of the localized category names in their image search but it would be a start. (Having an easy, special interface -- that cuts away all the wikicode confusion leaving just the image and the existing translations and a next button, adds some AJAXy background magic,maybe suggestions through the Google Translate API - to translate image descriptions might also help drive the localisation of the image descriptions. Probably there are some userscripts that do this but they could be turned on by default or at least made more prominent.) Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Don't most Internet users know enough English to be able to search for pictures of a horse in English? (According to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage), yes... Most Internet users speak the English language as a native or secondary language.) If I read the data in the article correctly, most means 35%. Since most means more than 50%, I don't think you read it correctly. The 35% figure seems to be only native English speakers. According to the Mettiam-Webster dictionary, 'majority' is only one of the meanings of 'most' (the primary being 'greatest in quantity, extent or degree'); if you look at the second table which seems to account for non-native speaker internet users as well, English is still gets about 30% share of total users. Although,the linked Wikipedia article could use some improvement... Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Creating articles in small wikipedias based on user requirement
There is http://www.google.com/insights/search/#geo=MYcmpt=q where you have to play with the parameters (time interval, subcategories, regions) but you can probably get useful data out of it. Best, Bence On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Excirial wp.excir...@gmail.com wrote: *STOP* Two-third of this thread is already related to off-topic bickering about mailing list regulations and whatnot. Move that stuff to a separate threat if you wish to keep discussing it, but don't keep derailing a sensible thread further. Thank you. *On-Topic* We left off arguing with the suggestion that Google might be willing to share its search data. I know that there is a search trends pagehttp://www.google.com/trends/hottrendsthat details the top searches, but it seems to be US only (And the Malayalam wiki's target group isn't the US). However it does demonstrate that Google is willing to share such data, and i presume that changing country-specific data will not be overly sensitive either. Maybe they already list it somewhere? If not, it may be worth a shot to contact Google about it. Though it would be more convenient to have a list that regularly updates over a static one-time only list as interests can change over time ~Excirial On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, This is not a problem. We use the numbers that we have. We could ask Google for such numbers.. They might even be willing to share them with us. Thanks, GerardM On 12 June 2010 12:02, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: It would be indeed an useful or at least interesting tool for all Wikipedias. Though, many readers go to Wikipedia by a Google search, I don't know what that eventually would mean for the search results as we will see them. Kind regards Ziko 2010/6/12 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com: Shiju, just FYI, tool kit can be used by anyone for translation. In fact, it's good to use because (if you choose the option) it will go toward improving future machine translation capability for your language, thus expanding possibilities for monolingual speakers of your language. In addition, machine aided translation, in which an article is translated by machine and then corrections are made, can be a much speedier yet still accurate way to create articles. -m. On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: This topic came up while we were discussing about Google's translation effort. Google/Google employees are using Google tool kit to translate English Wikipedia articles to many of the Indic language Wikipedias. We are definitely more interested if Google translates these user required articles than translating the English wiki articles about all the american pop stars (For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga). Now the issue is, we don't have such list to give to Google/Google employees. On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: +1. This would be a SUPER useful tool for all Wikis. -m. On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: Recently I had a discussion with one of my fellow Malayalam wikipedian ( http://ml.wikipedia.org) about the creation of new articles in small wikipedias like ours. He is one the few users who is keen on creating new articles *based on the requirement of our readers*. (Of course we have many people who only reads our wiki) During discussion he raised this interesting point: Some feature is required in the MediaWiki software that enable us to see a list of keywords used most frequently by the users to search for non-exist articles. If we get such a list then some users like him can concentrate on creating articles using that key words. Of course, I know that this feature may not be helpful for big wikis like English. But for small wikis (especially small non-Latin language wikis), this will be of great help. It is almost like* creating wiki articles based on user requirement*. I would like to know your opinion regarding the same. Shiju ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Foundation-l] Top posting
Sorry for going off-topic again in an off-topic thread of a really interesting on-topic thread.. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kthx Time: 1 s? If you don't count the probability that one gets stuck on Wikipedia for hours on end reading fascinating articles on internet culture... I think that using eloquent expressions, cultural references and abbreviations (in the last week I have learned two new words for transparent) add to the style of conversation, which while a good thing in itself has the downside that every time one has to Google an expression the natural flow of the given thread is interrupted for them. In addressing an international audience one should be aware that certain expressions might divert the reader[1] and lead to the original message not being received by the reader as intended. Best, Bence [1] In case of kthx one might end up reading the The Fader fashion magazine, which in a recent edition used the kthx expression. In the case of the synonyms for transparent one could brush up on his reading of the English Classics: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/search/Search.aspx?SearchBy=4Word=pellucidSearch=SearchBy=0 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2
Regarding clutter and ease of finding the right language I believe it helps a lot if the user realizes that the languages are listed in their native form and are mostly in alphabetic order. What often causes difficulty for me is the fact that the languages are often in some strange order (e.g. ordered by their country code instead of the displayed text, cf. Bahasa Indonesia, which makes it harder to spot with a glance whether the article exists on my home wiki or not ). I would welcome the UX team's opinion on how to improve on the ordering and consistency of the links (e.g. where to put languages in different scripts in the order; would it be helpful if the user's suspected native tongue was offered more prominently by bolding it or putting it to the beginning of the list) without necessarily hiding the links. Could we use the technology used to guess the putative native tongue of our readers to offer them a chance to start the article in their native WP - possibly through Google Translator Toolkit, without sacrificing general usability and annoying our casual readers? Best regards, Bence Damokos ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:17 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone from the Foundation confirm whether any testing was done with people who would actually be affected by the decision to remove the language links - or only on people who wouldn't care? If only the latter, then the stated reason for removal would be in serious need of urgent review. I won't speak for the Foundation, but my understanding is that sampled click-rates were measured on the live site, so it would have been a representative sample of our visitors. In that case, I would also be interested to know whether the behaviour was any different on projects other than the English Wikipedia... (and whether there was any variation in the click rates based on country of origin or browser language). -- Bence Damokos ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: Why would anyone link me to an article on ka.wikipedia? That's not a reasonable thing to imagine. I don't think I know anyone who speaks Georgian, and if I do, they wouldn't have any reason to link me to an article in Georgian. If they did, I'd probably use Google Translate. Just to illustrate this possibility: If I search for Fizika Wikipédia (Physics Wikipedia in Hungarian) the third result from the top is the Kikongo Wikipedia article - and there are other cases where Google offers Wikipedia results in unexpected languages especially if the search term's language and the Google interface language mismatches or if accent marks are ignored. Best regards, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] drive-by site updates
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 May 2010 17:14, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 May 2010 17:12, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 15:11, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 May 2010 14:06, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: But the introduction of the new search box that practically can't search, was not part of the beta and it was a complete surprise. Am i badly mistaken? After my own attempts, I cannot find any issues with the search box. Could you describe your problems more accurately? Or better yet, file a bug report about it on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ In Vector, search for begin. You'll get to the page Begin. There's no way to actually search Wikipedia for the word begin using this search box. sigh Type begin in the box, hit the cursor-up key to select the last rows in the suggest box, hit enter. sigh That is /real/ user friendly. I bet Joe Public can figure that one out. Also, I apologise for sending this mail out too quick, but your suggestion didn't work. Unless you consider the 'AJAX-suggestions' to be 'search' (which it isn't, btw). It was kinda announced on the techblog - http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2010/05/simplified-search-for-vector/ - but I was expecting some more testing before any rollout. For example, for me the search box magic that would suggest the containing pages doesn't seem to load at all (FF 3.6.4, XP). The collapsible sidebar is actually a nice feature but as suggested above, I would probably keep the interwiki links visible (if the majority of visitors come outside the anglophone countries, which I am guessing is the case), as they can be quite useful for non native speaker visitors to find out about the Wikipedias in their own language (using some JS trick to offer the version in their browser's language more prominently would work as well). Best, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist
I actually liked the idea of a picture of the man whose making the appeal behind the text (regardless of the fact that Craigslist seemed very US-centric to me, and appreciating the fact that members of the Advisory Board would do such appeals) and I miss it from the Jimmy appeal. (It is an unsubstantiated hypotheses of mine, that probably the donor comments would also have worked with a picture of a real person as a background). Best, Bence Damokos ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits
The idea is not bad (especially on wikis that might have more low-hanging fruits), but it might need some work to make it work (e.g. anons cannot create a new article on enwiki, and seeing these red links without the ability to write the articles might be annoying to them). There is something similar on the Recent Changes page of the English Wikipedia, although I'm not sure, that the listed articles (e.g. schlepp effecthttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schlepp_effectaction=editredlink=1- Yiftach-Elhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yiftach-Elaction=editredlink=1- Shenandoah Conservatoryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shenandoah_Conservatoryaction=editredlink=1- Moldova-Suliţa, Suceavahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moldova-Suli%C5%A3a,_Suceavaaction=editredlink=1- Zanzehttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zanzeaction=editredlink=1- Gordon-Haus effecthttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gordon-Haus_effectaction=editredlink=1- Yong-Sik Jinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yong-Sik_Jinaction=editredlink=1) would bring in a very wide audience with diverse expertise. -- Bence Damokos ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 31 august, 20 years of our national holiday Our romanian language in Moldova, mo.wikipedia still in cyrillic !
I think it has been stated before on this list, that mo.wikipedia.org should be moved, alongside some other projects waiting to be removed and the staff developers seemed agreable to this apart from the fact that they didn't devote time for the necessary background work (moving and recreating databases, copying files, testing that nothing is broken, etc.) Previously it has also been stated that the Meta page for closing down projects is useless (there is no power behind it, nor is there any people or committe tasked with monitoring and implementing any community consensus that would come out from this page). Best regards, Bence Damokos ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Hungarian Wikinews licence
Hi, I would like to give a little update on the licencing status of the Hungarian Wikinews as it has come up before on this list. As some of you may know by following this mailing list that the Hungarian Wikinews was set up -- probably by accident -- with the WMF licensing resolution for new wikis licence (GFDL with the possibility of switching to CC-BY-SA 3.0). Although the error was noticed, the small wikinews community at the time opted to accept the situation as-is. Following the licence update voting, someone has updated the licence of the Hungarian Wikinews to CC-BY 2.5 a couple of weeks ago (in the server configurations, most probably), in effect retroactively relicensing the GFDL content to CC-BY 2.5. This event, and the deadlines set in GFDL 1.3 has prompted the community to resolve the licensing issue by a vote[1] on the future copyright status of the Hungarian Wikinews, with the result that the project should swich to CC BY 3.0 on August 1st. The content created before August 1 will in theory remain under the GFDL (or the CC BY SA 3.0 if the WMF decides to switch) under the above mentioned licensing resolution for new wikis. I will create a bugzilla request but I hope that some dev might be reading this list and updates the necessary server settings to reflect these results faster than I learn to navigate Bugzilla. :) Thank you, Bence Damokos [1] http://hu.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikih%C3%ADrek:Kocsmafal_(javaslatok)#D.C3.B6nt.C3.A9s_a_Wikih.C3.ADrek_licencv.C3.A1lt.C3.A1s.C3.A1r.C3.B3l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikizine at foundaiton-l?
It's a magnificent idea in my opinion, as well. Just make sure, please, that you include a prominent unsubscribe link in the first couple of issues, so those who are subscribers of this list as well as Wikizine can unsubscribe the duplicate copy. Best, Bence 2009/6/29 Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com I also think it's a good idea. It contains a lot of useful information and would be valuable for subscribers to this list. --- Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: David Gerard wrote: 2009/6/28 Walter Vermeir wal...@wikipedia.be: Probaly useful for those who do not know it; an expamle It comes out infrequently enough that I suggest that posting it here regularly would be an excellent idea. Could generate discussion, too. And reader submissions! I am in favor of this. It's certainly relevant to this list. Cary ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production
You can find the original study at: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1089/cpb.2007.0225?cookieSet=1 http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1089/cpb.2007.0225?cookieSet=1apparently they used a pre-existing questionairre called the BFI Questionnaire (probably stands for Big Five Inventory; the closest article in Wikipedia on the subject might be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits) Best regards, Bence Damokos 2009/6/28 geni geni...@gmail.com 2009/6/27 Phil Nash pn007a2...@blueyonder.co.uk: 1. Small sample, making statistical significance difficult to assess It's big enough to get some results. The ones across gender lines are more questionable. 3. If the questionnaire isn't published, it's incapable of independent analysis for bias in the questions asked It probably is published but not circulated among the general public. 4. Peer-reviewed research by whom? Whoever does the peer review for CyberPsychology Behavior I supose. and that's just for starters. I look forward to seeing the whole lot, because I, for one, disbelieve such wide conclusions. The results are hardly earth shattering as it basically adds up to wikipedia is written but people with weak social skills aka nerds -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Google Translate now assists with humantranslations of Wikipedia articles
What I see as a great feature in the toolkit is the translation memory: in practice (after you switch of the machine translation), common phrases in Wikipedia articles - like external links, notes, history, early life etc. - are pretranslated once a human has already translated them; if more then one people start working on the same article separately, they can make use of the other users' translations and build upon them (without having to explicitly 'collaborate' or 'share' for this function to work). Also, if you were to translate [[Bird species 1]], [[Bird species 2]], [[Bird species 3]], I think you would get some very useful suggestions for translating [[Bird species 4]]. Best, Bence Damokos On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Bennó benn...@freemail.hu wrote: and totally alien texts to a certain [at least minimal?] extent. This whole thing has absolutely nothing to do with 'translation/interpretation' in it's proper sense. It's a pair of crutches for those, who are otherwise helpless. ;) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Google Translate now assists with humantranslations of Wikipedia articles
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 14:46, Bence Damokosbdamo...@gmail.com wrote: What I see as a great feature in the toolkit is the translation memory: in practice (after you switch of the machine translation), common phrases in Wikipedia articles - like external links, notes, history, early life etc. - are pretranslated once a human has already translated them; if more then one people start working on the same article separately, they can make use of the other users' translations and build upon them (without having to explicitly 'collaborate' or 'share' for this function to work). Maybe, but at the very best case it can work for very short passages. Two or three sentences at most. And it would be taken out of context. If you were working on the very same article, it would obviously be in context...; and the short phrases tend to be common, especially, considering that Google treats the target of the links separately which allows for creating a sort of glossary. Best, Bence ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Google Translate now assists with human translations of Wikipedia articles
I couldn't dwelve into the TOS, but as I see it you start with a GFDL text and end up uploading a text directly to Wikipedia; which implies that Google is okay with their text being used that way (you don't have to copy-paste, google uploads the text for you, although it is saved under your username, the edit summary and the text linking back to the oiginal soure article). I guess, what's more interesting than adhering to Wikimedia's licensing terms (which is implicit in the process) is what rights does Google gain to your improved sentence-by-sentence translations. (They certainly use it as translation suggestions, for one). Best regards, Bence Damokos On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 00:54, genigeni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/9 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: We should take the ToS to make sure the translated text can be CC-BY-SA licensed. /Brian Under Google's TOS you cannot enter CC or GFDL produced by someone else into the translation tool. Where exactly do the TOS say it? I couldn't find it. They would never find out about it anyway. In the current state of things, any machine-translated text has to be edited manually and thus it is not very different from translating a text using a dictionary - and i believe that a human translator doesn't have to pay per-word royalties to the dictionary publisher. An unedited machine-translated text is likely to be speedily deleted as patent nonsense, before copyvio is even considered. -- אמיר אלישע אהרוני Amir Elisha Aharoni http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia tracks user behaviour via third party companies #2
This might be going off topic, and not really helpful in finding a solution (along the lines of wamping up WMF stats capabilities in the near future or reinstating the huwiki solution in a way accpetable to the WMF and the hu.wp community and possibly benefitting other communities, as well): On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Just to be clear, it has been claimed in this thread that the CheckUser right also gives those admins the right to collect additional data on users and analyze it. I've just read the privacy policy and that is not true. I believe there was no such claim, if anything, it was pointed out that setting up the stats engine didn't give access to information that was not accessible before by the Checkusers (even if logged), and that most fears of data being handled by the wrong hands are mitigated by the facts that the data was handled by a CheckUser (and thus a) a person already with access to said data and b) a person identified to the WMF and trusted by the community*). (*Not that I would want to introduce community trust into the argument, just pointing out the inherent properties of being a CU.) Best regards, Bence Damokos ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia tracks user behaviour via third party companies #2
I'd like to note in the interest of facts that the Huwp stats have been implemented (without complaint till now, June 2009) since October 2006; the current version of the privacy policy has been available in English since October 2008. I think it might not be very productive to judge the action of implementing a stats engine in light of a privacy policy that has been adopted later than the action was performed nor might it be fruitful to shift blame for not discussing something three years ago (which could even have been discussed in some way). Best regards, Bence Damokos On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Others have since discussed more centralised and secure methods for providing these statistics via the WMF - this is the ideal outcome, and one that might have been achieved earlier had you proposed your method rather than simply going ahead alone. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Problems with the new license TOS
Hi all, Could we please summarize the outcome of the long discussions on this subject instead of discussing different external search services to the mailing list? (No doubt one can learn a lot about the different external possibilities not offered via the list.wikimedia.org site, yet I would like to learn at least as much about the answers to the actual issues posed in the original post [even at the price of repeating previously stated conclusions]) These questions have apparently been discussed before and I am confident that they will come up again: it might be a good idea to collect the answers that came out of long, fast-paced and hard to follow mailing list threads. The FAQ and the oppositional arguments pages (cited in this thread) in my opinion don't serve the purpose and audience of the questions of this thread (the FAQ in my opinion is aimed at a less initiated audience, while the oppositional arguments deal with outright refusing this change; these questions on the other hand might stir the fantasy of those that are advanced licencwise and want to make this migration work and thus have questions that will inevitably come up in practice once the licence update has been followed through). Thank you, Bence Damokos 2009/4/14 Tisza Gergő gti...@gmail.com I found a few apparent legal problems while translating the license update documents. Apologies if these have already been discussed to death - I didn't follow earlier debates, and the archives are mostly useless as a knowledge base. == revision not specified == The TOS says that reusers have to attribute the authors by linking to the article. The problem is that such a link will actually point to a different article after each edit (that is, the text and author list will have been changed). If you find a text copied from Wikipedia on the net, and there is no date information, it is very hard to find out which version of the article it is (and thus who the authors are); if the text is a derivative work from a Wikipedia article, then it's practically impossible. Even if one argues that attributing bogus authors is not a problem as long as the real ones all appear on the list, the author list can change arbitrarily when the article is renamed or deleted and rewritten. (Neither of which is apparent even if one looks at the page history.) A few possible solutions to that: - require reusers to permalink to the revision they used; change the totally unhelpful error message that is shown when one follows a link to a deleted version. (Probably not a very good idea as it messes up caching. Also, bad usability: most of the people who click such a link don't care about authors and original version one bit, and just want to see/edit the current version of the article.) - develop some syntax that shows the current version of the article, but with a little message on top saying you have followed a link from a page reusing an older version of this article. You can see the most recent version of the article; if you want to see the original click here. (Maybe through some fragment id trick and javascript so it can go through the cache?) We would still have to address links to deleted versions. - require reusers to give date/revision of the page along with the url. Make some sort of search interface to find the text and/or author set of an article based on that information. == CC version incompatibilities == Copyright policy now says You may import any text from other sources that is available under the CC-BY-SA license, which is incorrect for to reasons. First, CC-BY-SA-1.0 (used, for example, by Wikitravel) is not compatible with anything but itself (as they forgot to include the (or any later version part). Second, different versions and jurisdictions of CC are not quite compatible: for example if a wiki has an article under CC-BY-SA-3.0-US, then uploading that to Wikipedia (which will use CC-BY-SA-3.0 unported) is actually a breach of the license. You could change the version or jurisdiction when you create an adaptation (that is, you make changes significant enough to be considered on of the authors), but not when you just redistribute the work. (I doubt anything could be done about this beyond prodding CC to release a saner version of their license soon.) == edit summary cannot contain links == The currently proposed editing policy says: If you import text under the CC-BY-SA license, you must abide by the terms of the license; specifically, you must, in a reasonable fashion, credit the author(s). Where such credit is commonly given through page histories (such as wiki-to-wiki copying), it is sufficient to give attribution in the edit summary, which is recorded in the page history, when importing the content. (which BTW should be rephrased more clearly - does it mean you can use the edit summary if you import text from another wiki, but not when you do it from any other web page
[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Hungary picture competiton
Dear All, Pray, allow me to announce the first ever international picture competition of Wikimedia Hungary. [1] The competition officially launching tomorrow, commemorating a Hungarian national holiday[2], is aimed at gathering visual representations - photographs, videos, maps, drawings, SVG graphics, etc. - that have a 'Hungarian aspect'. We are awaiting submissions in the next three months from all over the world. Apart from the endless possibilities of works created in Hungary - e.g. on a summer visit -, we hope to engage the international community of photographers, and graphic artists of Wikimedia Commons. Please take a look at our prepared list of possible works to be created all over the world (including geographical places, museums, events and suggestions for non-photographic contributions). [3] The submissions will be evaluated by the community in a way similar to the Picture of the Year competition, the authors of the best pictures will be awarded a Wikimedia gift package. For more information, please visit the competition's homepage on Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_Hungary_picture_competition Thank you, Bence Damokos Wikimédia Magyarország http://wiki.media.hu/wiki/Home P.s. I would like to ask you to forward this announcement to all whom it may concern, your local village pumps, chapters' communities, and photographers and people who might be interested in participating. [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_Hungary_picture_competition [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1848_Hungarian_Revolution [3] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_Hungary_picture_competition/list ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Here's a first crack at revised attribution language. When the language is completely finalized, I'll send a separate note explaining some of our reasoning for this general approach in more detail. In the meantime, I'd appreciate it if you could point out any bugs in this specific language, given its intent which should be self-evident. To keep the discussion focused, please read it from the perspective of a from scratch attribution model, i.e., imagine that a new encyclopedia wiki that you'd contribute to had these terms. Which problems would they cause? Are there specific third party uses that would be significantly hampered by these terms? Thanks for any constructive feedback, Erik Attribution: To re-distribute an article page in any form, provide credit to the authors either by, at your choice, including a) a link (URL) to the article or articles you are re-using, b) a link to an alternative online copy which is freely accessible and conforms with the license and includes a list a list of all authors, or c) such a list of all authors. (Any list of authors may be filtered to exclude very small or irrelevant contributions.) Rich media (images, sound, video, etc.) that are the result of substantive collaborations between at least five people can be credited in the same fashion, but must otherwise be attributed in the manner specified by the uploader. These attribution requirements apply to content developed and uploaded by the Wikimedia community. Text and rich media contributions that come from external sources may attach additional attribution requirements to the work, which we will strive to indicate clearly to you on the article or the description page for the file(s) in question. -- From the text's point of view, these observations might just be my inadequate English. a list a list of all authors is a typo; also I don't actually understand the role of such in point c) (I don't see what it could refer back to, as the requirements of a list of all authors comes in the following sentence, and not in one of the previous ones). From an attribution point of view, the definition of full list of authors that excludes very small contributions is not really acceptable to me. Imagine, that Joe only corrects spelling mistakes: arguably very small contributions - you wouldn't say he is the author of the articles. Now imagine, that you would print a hundred articles that Joe has corrected, and you omit his name from the list of authors - for he has minor contributions. I think Joe would be a bit upset that he is not credited, even though without his small contributions the articles would be unpublishable. Best regards, Bence Damokos ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The reality of printing a poster
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Sam Johnston s...@samj.net wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:43 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/3 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance between cheap and expensive. I positvely hate text on my posters. Printing on the back is two prints and that IS expensive. My point has been and still is that it is nice to come up with solutions. They have to be practical in the real world. If a proposed solution adds enough overhead, the effect will be that it will not be accepted a solution. Assuming posters are not for large scale public display sending the credits on a separate bit of paper would probably meets the requirements. I'm not aware of any print-on-demand providers who facilitate the sending of arbitrary documentation with prints so my ability to reuse is still unnecessarily restricted. Sam According to this [1], the Wikiposter service on the French Wikipedia provides attribution by printing a separate page with the license details. In reply to Huib Laurens: is this the/a right way to attribute? [1] http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Impression/en#Frequently_asked_questions Best regards, Bence Damokos ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The reality of printing a poster
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Sam Johnston s...@samj.net wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:43 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/3 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance between cheap and expensive. I positvely hate text on my posters. Printing on the back is two prints and that IS expensive. My point has been and still is that it is nice to come up with solutions. They have to be practical in the real world. If a proposed solution adds enough overhead, the effect will be that it will not be accepted a solution. Assuming posters are not for large scale public display sending the credits on a separate bit of paper would probably meets the requirements. I'm not aware of any print-on-demand providers who facilitate the sending of arbitrary documentation with prints so my ability to reuse is still unnecessarily restricted. Sam Unfortunately I do not understand the interface of Wikiposters, but reading the translated English FAQ, I got the impression, that for instance if you order a poster of a GFDL image, they will print you the text of the GFDL as well. So I assumed Wikiposters is mindful of attribution requirements. I guess, we would need someone, who has actually seen a Wikiposters poster, to tell us how they handle this -- and other licences -- in practice. Bence Damokos ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] FlaggedRevs status/news?
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hoi, I think it makes sense to have functionality like FlaggedRevs be localised prior to it being enabled. Given that it is important for the editors to understand what is intended with Flagged Revisions. I would argue that localisation prior to implementation is essential. I do appreciate discussion this. The Hebrew localisation is at 23.05%, Ukranian at 65.60%, Hungarian at 89.36%, zh-classical at 5.67%, Russian at 91.13% and Alemannisch at 0%. The German, Esperanto and French localisation are done completely. The localisation is done for other languages as well, they have not requested it for now. Thanks, GerardM http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics The Hungarian version was tested on a local wiki and so the messages needed to our particular configuration are already translated (it's actually not that an easy job, we had to really discuss what to call the different classes of pages and users to convey the right meaning): if I'm mistaken the remaining messages can be translated quickly. Full localisation did not seem to matter with other extensions (the Collections extension was enabled on all Wikibooks' with 0% Hungarian translation; all the new features of MediaWiki appear as untranslated messages (although the update cycle of the live servers allows for translating them before they go live), and still there's no outrage and once they appear on the UI they do get translated quite quickly, with the added knowledge of the context where they appear. Best regards, Bence Damokos http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Luiz Augusto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=flaggedrevs.php, FlaggedRevs is enabled on de.wikipedia, ru.wikipedia and en.wikinews. The extension is requested to get enabled on als.wikipedia (bugzilla:13968), de.wiktionary (13969), pt.wikinews (14254), en.wikibooks (14618), he.wikisource (14648), zh-classical.wikipedia (14715), eo.wikipedia (14728), ru.wikiquote (14863), ru.wikisource (15006), uk.wiktionary (15335), fr.wikinews (15346), hu.wikipedia (15568), pl.wikipedia (16177). Is there any special reason for not enabling on those wikis (like extension still needs to be fixed for security/stability issues) or it is only the usual backlog at shell requests? Is recommendable to make more requests at this time or to wait a few more months? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
