RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Spreadbury, David]

John,
I must assume you are looking at Unstructured FrameMaker users. In
Structured FrameMaker, if you haven't accommodated your Character Tags
with an Element, or Elements, both of the methods you list are blown
away as soon as you reapply the EDD.

My answer is through a Phrase Element that has, as attributes, Bold,
Emphasis (Italics), etc. 

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m] On Behalf Of John Wilcox
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Subject: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your
time!

A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

_
Regards,
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Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[John Posada]

Character catalog



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Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Ron Miller]

When I started using Frame a number of years ago, I was told in no 
uncertain terms by the person who designed the template to stay away 
from the Bold and Italic buttons. In fact, I was told to assume they 
didn't exist.


So for me, at least, since I've kept that lesson with me always, it's B.

Ron



John Wilcox wrote:

This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!

A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

_
Regards,
John Wilcox, Technical Writer
Zetron, Redmond


  


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Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, John.

John Wilcox wrote:

This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!

A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.


I created specific items in the Character Catalog and apply them
as needed. The Control-B and Control-I approach is too easy to
accidentally remove.

Zaeem
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RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[rebecca officer]

Ditto, we use C. But we've managed to end up with a format named Bold too. 
We use that when we want to make something bold and one of the named formats 
doesn't apply. ;-(

Using character formats isn't necessarily foolproof. Last week, someone 
accidentally updated one of our formats and made it use a particular font etc, 
instead of being as is for everything but the property it wanted to change. 
Don't suppose anyone knows of a way to prevent that?

Cheers, Rebecca

 Joe Malin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17/01/06 10:07:42 
If the methods are
 
A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
C: Create special character formats with meta-information (purpose or
meaning).

then I use C, although it may appear sometimes that I'm using B. While
my brain was recovering from a bad sector, I named a character format
Bold rather than Strong. I also have some formats that use Italic
instead of Emphasis. The horror, the horror!

As Andrew noted, this may result in more tags or elements. Perhaps this
is a good thing, if it makes us re-examine our typographical
conventions.

 Joe Malin
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Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

John Wilcox wrote:
 This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply 
 off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your 
 time!

 A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
 B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

Or:

C: Create special character formats that indicate the purpose or meaning
of the text (rather than their intended appearance) and apply them.

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Re: I'm lazy

[John Posada]

I wanted to, but I couldn't click the link. My other hand was holding
my coffee cup and I was too lazy to put it down 

--- Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you were really lazy, you'd buy my plugin :-)
 
 http://www.frameexpert/plugins/pagelabeler/


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RE: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Kristina McCook]

Press Ctrl+B  Ctrl+I 

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Subject: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!

A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

_
Regards,
John Wilcox, Technical Writer
Zetron, Redmond


  

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Re: I'm lazy

[hedley . finger]

Cripes!  Rick must be a bigger mover and shaker than I thought.  What with 
.frameexpert being a top-level domain up there with uk, au,  cn, 
de, fr, etc!
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Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Bill Swallow]

Character catalog. Always.

On 1/16/06, John Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
 off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!

 A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
 B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

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Font substitution <sigh!> and Acrobat Distiller

[s...@e-sim.co.il]

Hi all,

I know this topic has come up repeatedly, but I still can't find
an answer to my problem.

Windows XP
FrameMaker 6.0p405
SetPrint plugin from Sundorne Communications
Acrobat Distiller 4.0

Whenever I open FM -- even when no document is opened --
and the Acrobat Distiller printer driver is chosen, the following
appears in the console:
   The "Times" Font is not available.
 It will be replaced by "Times New Roman".

To no avail, I have searched master pages, reference pages,
all tables, saved as MIF and searched the MIF files, cleared
the Remember Missing Font Names option. I can't find "Times"
anywhere.

FWIW, I don't use either font, so it does not interfere with my work.
But why do I still get this notice? What am I missing?

TIA,
Sara


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Technical Communicator
e-SIM Ltd.
Phone: +972-4-999-0044 (ex. 216)
E-mail: sara at e-sim.co.il

AW: Kerning of space in FrameMaker

[Reng, Winfried]

Hi,

> Maybe the space character itself is not part of the 256 ANSI 
> characters??? I
> definitely do not see it on the Character Map. But it is sure 
> part of the
> font when I do the kerning pairs.

The space has position 32 in the ASCII character set.

Best regards

Winfried

Stupid Formatting Question

[David Creamer]

> However, there is one problem--all the headings are coming in with an
> asterisk in front of them (*Heading1) which I guess means the paragraph
> format is overridden, and the overridden *Heading markers won't show up
> at all in the TOC.

Just double-checking...
In Word, the styles have a space in the (Heading 1), while in Frame, they
don't (Heading1). Did you rename the Word styles to match the Frame tags?
You might not be seeing overrides, but added styles/tags not in the catalog.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web
Publishing-related software
Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988)
Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
Apple Certified Consultant (since 1990)

Stupid Formatting Question

[John Huntington]

Thanks for the speedy replies!

Peter Gold wrote:
> Hi, John:
>
> Search for "Changing format overrides to new formats" in Help.
>
David Creamer wrote:
> In Word, the styles have a space in the (Heading 1), while in Frame, they
> don't (Heading1). Did you rename the Word styles to match the Frame tags?
> You might not be seeing overrides, but added styles/tags not in the catalog
You were both on to something.  

I went through and changed the format overrides to new formats as 
suggested by Mr. Gold, but (thank you Microsoft) that came out with 
about 100 (literally) different "Normal" formats (Normal1, Normal2, 
etc), about 10 "Heading 11" formats, etc etc.  

So, I went back to the original Word document and Mr. Creamer was 
exactly right--the Word styles had a space in them.  I tried to rename 
the Word styles, but whenever I would rename them, they would come out 
"Heading 1, Heading1".   This reminded me why I had moved to Framemaker 
in the first place :-)  

I gave up on that approach and realized that while the imported formats 
like *Heading 1 and *Normal were indicated in the window whenever I 
selected that text, they did not show up in the Paragraph Format 
catalog, nor did they show up in any pull down lists.  However, using 
the Global Update Options in the Paragraph Designer, I was able to 
manually type in the name of the Word format I wanted to replace into 
the "All Tagged:" box, replace all the "Normal" styles with the Body 
format (etc.) and that worked!

Thanks to everyone, I'm sure I will have many more questions :-)

John

Stupid Formatting Question

[Stuart Rogers]

John Huntington wrote:

> I gave up on that approach and realized that while the imported formats 
> like *Heading 1 and *Normal were indicated in the window whenever I 
> selected that text, they did not show up in the Paragraph Format 
> catalog, nor did they show up in any pull down lists.  

That's exactly the meaning of the asterisk: the format has been applied 
but does not exist in the catalog. This occurs in Word imports when the 
style and tag names don't match, but you can also cause this to happen 
by applying formatting from the Designers without selecting "store in 
catalog".

For further advice, have a look at
www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

[Joe Malin]

Good morning, all!

Acrobat/PDF 7 has a feature called logical page numbering. This allows
you to display the PDF page numbers starting with 1 as the first page,
and also the document's page numbers, starting with whatever number is
on the first page (usually i). This accounts for front and back matter
in a book. The document page number appears in the page display at the
bottom, followed by the PDF number in parentheses.

Does anyone know if I can set this automatically from FrameMaker? I'm
using FM 7.1, unstructured, to print .PS files which I then pass through
Distiller.

Joe 

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Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

[Combs, Richard]

Joe Malin wrote: 

> Acrobat/PDF 7 has a feature called logical page numbering.  

So did earlier versions. 

> Does anyone know if I can set this automatically from 
> FrameMaker? I'm using FM 7.1, unstructured, to print .PS 
> files which I then pass through Distiller.

Get the PageLabeler plug-in from Rick Quatro (frameexpert.com). Works
like a charm. 

Richard


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Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

[Joe Malin]

Everyone pointed me to Rick Quatro. Thanks! 


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Technical Writer
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Of Joe Malin
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:10 AM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Cc: techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

Good morning, all!

I'm lazy

[John Posada]

> See my PageLabeler plugin on the Plugins page at
> www.frameexpert.com

To everyone who posts a URL to a site, especially if you are selling
something from it

when you enter a URL that starts with www, in most cases, it appears
as plain text. However, if you precede it with http://, it will
appear as a live hyperlink.

If I have to copy the text to a browser and paste it in the address
box of my browser, I probably won't bother unless I'm motivated.

OTOH, make it a live link and I'll usualy check it out, and who
knows...I may become interested in what I see.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

ANN: Controlling Acrobat from FrameMaker

[Rick Quatro]

Hello All,

FrameScript 4 allows you to use Windows COM (or OLE) objects to control 
other applications. For example, you can control Acrobat from FrameMaker via 
FrameScript 4. If you use FrameScript for your FrameMaker to Acrobat 
workflow, you can further process the Acrobat files using FrameScript.

One example is for TimeSavers users. Usually when you use TimeSavers or 
Postscript text frames to create Acrobat objects via Distiller, the document 
needs to be opened and saved after it is created. If you use FrameScript 4 
to create the PDFs, you can open the PDF, save, and close it in the same 
script.

If you have other ideas where this kind of programming would be useful, 
please contact me offlist. Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

I'm lazy

[Rick Quatro]

If you were really lazy, you'd buy my plugin :-)

http://www.frameexpert/plugins/pagelabeler/

>> See my PageLabeler plugin on the Plugins page at
>> www.frameexpert.com
> 
> To everyone who posts a URL to a site, especially if you are selling
> something from it
> 
> when you enter a URL that starts with www, in most cases, it appears
> as plain text. However, if you precede it with http://, it will
> appear as a live hyperlink.
> 
> If I have to copy the text to a browser and paste it in the address
> box of my browser, I probably won't bother unless I'm motivated.
> 
> OTOH, make it a live link and I'll usualy check it out, and who
> knows...I may become interested in what I see.
> 
> John Posada
> Senior Technical Writer
> 
> "So long and thanks for all the fish."
>

I'm lazy

[Kristina McCook]

I use Outlook 2003 & Outlook Express. The hyperlinks come out whether the
http:// is there or not. This might be a setting on your end, John. 


"...when you enter a URL that starts with www, in most cases, it appears as
plain text. However, if you precede it with http://, it will appear as a
live hyperlink..."

Setting Logical Page Numbering from FrameMaker

[Shlomo Perets]

When the FrameMaker book has roman-numbered front-matter, followed by 
sequential page numbering, converted to a single PDF, a TimeSavers 
hypertext marker (inserted once) may also be used to set page labels, see 
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html#20 for more info / sample file.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants
Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF & Technical Indexing seminars

I'm lazy

[John Posada]

It seems to be an issue with web based mails, such as hotmail and
yahoo mail

--- Kristina McCook  wrote:

> I use Outlook 2003 & Outlook Express. The hyperlinks come out
> whether the
> http:// is there or not. This might be a setting on your end, John.


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[John Wilcox]

This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!

A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

_
Regards,
John Wilcox, Technical Writer
Zetron, Redmond

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Spreadbury, David]

John,
I must assume you are looking at Unstructured FrameMaker users. In
Structured FrameMaker, if you haven't accommodated your Character Tags
with an Element, or Elements, both of the methods you list are blown
away as soon as you reapply the EDD.

My answer is through a Phrase Element that has, as attributes, Bold,
Emphasis (Italics), etc. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.co
m] On Behalf Of John Wilcox
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:30 PM
To: 'framers at lists.FrameUsers.com'
Subject: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your
time!

A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

_
Regards,
John Wilcox, Technical Writer
Zetron, Redmond

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POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[John Posada]

Character catalog



John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[John Wilcox]

> From: Spreadbury, David [mailto:david.spreadbury at tellabs.com]

> I must assume you are looking at Unstructured FrameMaker users.

Yes, Unstructed FM. I should have specified that. :)


jw

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Andrew Becraft]

John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your  
> time!
>
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

Or:

C: Create special character formats that indicate the purpose or  
meaning of the text (rather than their intended appearance) and apply  
them.

Taking DocBook as my model, I've created GUILabel, GUIButton, and  
GUIMenu formats -- all bold. Similarly, UserInput and Filename are  
both Courier New italic. Doing it this way, I can change my mind  
about how I want to display these inline text elements without having  
to reapply character formats throughout the document. The same  
applies to single-sourcing. I might want to render elements that are  
formatted the same way in print differently in HTML.

Yes, this means I have more character formats than I might otherwise  
have. No, I'm not using Structure. :-)

Andrew Becraft
Senior Technical Writer
Singlestep Technologies, Seattle

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Ron Miller]

When I started using Frame a number of years ago, I was told in no 
uncertain terms by the person who designed the template to stay away 
from the Bold and Italic buttons. In fact, I was told to assume they 
didn't exist.

So for me, at least, since I've kept that lesson with me always, it's B.

Ron



John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!
> 
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
> 
> _
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> John Wilcox, Technical Writer
> Zetron, Redmond
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POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, John.

John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!
> 
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

I created specific items in the Character Catalog and apply them
as needed. The Control-B and Control-I approach is too easy to
accidentally remove.

Zaeem

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Joe Malin]

If the methods are

A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
C: Create special character formats with meta-information (purpose or
meaning).

then I use C, although it may appear sometimes that I'm using B. While
my brain was recovering from a bad sector, I named a character format
"Bold" rather than "Strong". I also have some formats that use Italic
instead of Emphasis. The horror, the horror!

As Andrew noted, this may result in more tags or elements. Perhaps this
is a good thing, if it makes us re-examine our typographical
conventions.

 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

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[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Andrew Becraft
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:40 PM
To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply 
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your 
> time!
>
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

Or:

C: Create special character formats that indicate the purpose or meaning
of the text (rather than their intended appearance) and apply them.

I'm lazy

[John Posada]

I wanted to, but I couldn't click the link. My other hand was holding
my coffee cup and I was too lazy to put it down 

--- Rick Quatro  wrote:

> If you were really lazy, you'd buy my plugin :-)
> 
> http://www.frameexpert/plugins/pagelabeler/


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Kristina McCook]

Press Ctrl+B & Ctrl+I 

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[mailto:framers-bounces+convextech=alltel.net at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of John Wilcox
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:30 PM
To: 'framers at lists.FrameUsers.com'
Subject: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!

A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

_
Regards,
John Wilcox, Technical Writer
Zetron, Redmond




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POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Karen L. Zorn]

Character catalog!

Karen L. Zorn
Zorn Technologies, Inc.
Mesa, AZ


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To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com; John Wilcox >> "Joe Malin"  17/01/06 10:07:42 >>>
If the methods are

A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
C: Create special character formats with meta-information (purpose or
meaning).

then I use C, although it may appear sometimes that I'm using B. While my
brain was recovering from a bad sector, I named a character format "Bold"
rather than "Strong". I also have some formats that use Italic instead of
Emphasis. The horror, the horror!

As Andrew noted, this may result in more tags or elements. Perhaps this is a
good thing, if it makes us re-examine our typographical conventions.

 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com 
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Becraft
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:40 PM
To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com 
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your 
> time!
>
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

Or:

C: Create special character formats that indicate the purpose or meaning of
the text (rather than their intended appearance) and apply them.

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POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[Bill Swallow]

Character catalog. Always.

On 1/16/06, John Wilcox  wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!
>
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

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