'Missing' imported files mystery, and Tuesdays

[Steve Rickaby]

Large book, many imported graphics, all imported by reference.

Today FrameMaker 7.0 (Mac) reported on saving a file that graphics information 
had been lost and asked me to report the problem to Adobe (Mac FrameMaker 
problem - Adobe - ha-ha!). On checking the document, it turned out that three 
[of many]  graphics imported by reference listed as 'No file' for 'Referenced 
file' and were grayed out.

Ok, I though - just backtrack to the previous version of the document, check 
the files' identities, and re-import them. But although the previous version 
showed the graphics correctly in the document, it also listed them as 'No file' 
under 'Referenced file'.

Puzzled, I went back to the very first [FrameMaker  6] version of the 
respective document. That was the same: the graphics showed up correctly, but 
also listed as 'No file'.

But it didn't end there: on reopening the current document that had originally 
given the graphics file save error, the problem graphics showed up correctly - 
but still listed as 'No file'.

PDFs, including pre-press PDFs, have been created from all of these books.

My questions are:

. How can FrameMaker apparently continue to work with a document with broken 
import link(s)

. How can it create Ps without error if one or more graphics appears to have a 
broken import link?

. Why did the original error appear and then disappear?

. How could this link breakage have initially occurred?

. Why hasn't the problem shown up before now?

. What is it about Tuesdays? (The above is only one of many minor hassles today)

I think it was Ford Prefect who said he could never get the hang of Thursdays. 
I fell the same way about Tuesdays.

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-- 
Steve
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Re: Page break paragraph style

[Mike Wickham]

Linda,

The method you use actually produces a column break that moves the _next_
paragraph to the top of the next column. Setting Pagination to Top of Column
(or Top of Page) moves the _current_ paragraph to the top of the next column
(or page).

I prefer your method. It works a bit like Special Page Break At Top of
Next Available Column, except that Frame doesn't see it as an override. So
Remove Overrides won't undo it. I also prefer your method because it
requires only one special paragraph format and leaves me to decide which
kind of paragraph will be at the top of the next column or page. Using the
Pagination settings requires a paragraph format for each paragraph style you
might want to have follow a break. For example, in addition to a Heading1
format that can start mid-column, you might need something like a
Heading1ColBreak format and Heading1PageBreak.

I'd keep doin' it the way you're doin' it!

Mike Wickham

- Original Message - 
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Page break paragraph style




Framers,

Years ago, I learned from this list about creating a paragraph style to
use
for page breaks. I've always done this using something like 800 pts of
space
after for the page break paragraph tag to force the new page. In talking
about this with a colleague, she asked why not set the Pagination to Top
of
Page. Hmmm. Good question.

Do you folks have any words of wisdom (pros or cons) for using one method
over the other for a page break paragraph tag?

Thanks!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates

Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
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hyperlink text in online help

[Stuart Rogers]

Jon Harvey wrote:
> 
> I am trying to create hyperlinks in nonstructured FM so that when I
> import it into Flare 2.5, the links open in a new window. The marker
> text ideas I've tried are Message URL, which opens in the same window as
> the source, and Newlink, which removes the hyperlink for the text.
> 
> I would like to solve the problem in FM rather than Flare so that I
> don't have to fix the problem in Flare each time I import the document.

I don't know Flare, but you could try some of these:

openlink
openlink firstpage
openlinkfitwin
opennew
openpage

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"It is not enough that I succeed.
  Others must fail."

-- Oscar Wilde

'Missing' imported files mystery, and Tuesdays

[Steve Rickaby]

Large book, many imported graphics, all imported by reference.

Today FrameMaker 7.0 (Mac) reported on saving a file that graphics information 
had been lost and asked me to report the problem to Adobe (Mac FrameMaker 
problem - Adobe - ha-ha!). On checking the document, it turned out that three 
[of many]  graphics imported by reference listed as 'No file' for 'Referenced 
file' and were grayed out.

Ok, I though - just backtrack to the previous version of the document, check 
the files' identities, and re-import them. But although the previous version 
showed the graphics correctly in the document, it also listed them as 'No file' 
under 'Referenced file'.

Puzzled, I went back to the very first [FrameMaker  6] version of the 
respective document. That was the same: the graphics showed up correctly, but 
also listed as 'No file'.

But it didn't end there: on reopening the current document that had originally 
given the graphics file save error, the problem graphics showed up correctly - 
but still listed as 'No file'.

PDFs, including pre-press PDFs, have been created from all of these books.

My questions are:

. How can FrameMaker apparently continue to work with a document with broken 
import link(s)

. How can it create Ps without error if one or more graphics appears to have a 
broken import link?

. Why did the original error appear and then disappear?

. How could this link breakage have initially occurred?

. Why hasn't the problem shown up before now?

. What is it about Tuesdays? (The above is only one of many minor hassles today)

I think it was Ford Prefect who said he could never get the hang of Thursdays. 
I fell the same way about Tuesdays.



-- 
Steve

'Missing' imported files mystery, and Tuesdays

[Art Campbell]

Do you have the "Save graphics as Frame Image" option turned on? If
so, that may explain how the file functioned without the graphics
files, but that only answers a few of your questions.

Assuming you have a high resolution pdf, you should be able to extract
and recover the missing files...

Art

On 4/3/07, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> Large book, many imported graphics, all imported by reference.
>
> Today FrameMaker 7.0 (Mac) reported on saving a file that graphics 
> information had been lost and asked me to report the problem to Adobe (Mac 
> FrameMaker problem - Adobe - ha-ha!). On checking the document, it turned out 
> that three [of many]  graphics imported by reference listed as 'No file' for 
> 'Referenced file' and were grayed out.
>
> Ok, I though - just backtrack to the previous version of the document, check 
> the files' identities, and re-import them. But although the previous version 
> showed the graphics correctly in the document, it also listed them as 'No 
> file' under 'Referenced file'.
>
> Puzzled, I went back to the very first [FrameMaker  6] version of the 
> respective document. That was the same: the graphics showed up correctly, but 
> also listed as 'No file'.
>
> But it didn't end there: on reopening the current document that had 
> originally given the graphics file save error, the problem graphics showed up 
> correctly - but still listed as 'No file'.
>
> PDFs, including pre-press PDFs, have been created from all of these books.
>
> My questions are:
>
> . How can FrameMaker apparently continue to work with a document with broken 
> import link(s)
>
> . How can it create Ps without error if one or more graphics appears to have 
> a broken import link?
>
> . Why did the original error appear and then disappear?
>
> . How could this link breakage have initially occurred?
>
> . Why hasn't the problem shown up before now?
>
> . What is it about Tuesdays? (The above is only one of many minor hassles 
> today)
>
> I think it was Ford Prefect who said he could never get the hang of 
> Thursdays. I fell the same way about Tuesdays.
>
> 
>
> --
> Steve

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

'Missing' imported files mystery, and Tuesdays

[Steve Rickaby]

Further... lightning fast responses from Art, Fred and Paul:

Art: might have been a 'Save FrameImage with imported graphics' option issue. 
However, this is unlikely, as I don't think I've ever enabled this option, 
either in FrameMaker 6 or 7.

Fred, Paul: this is normal for graphics imported by copy (i.e. I goofed)

So I guess I must just have imported these three files by copy accidentally in 
the original book. I've identified the originals and re-imported them by 
reference.

That leaves me only with the question of why the file errored today. It might 
have been a transient memory glitch. Or maybe it's because it's Tuesday. It's 
been quite a day.

-- 
Steve

Page break paragraph style

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Framers,

Years ago, I learned from this list about creating a paragraph style to use
for page breaks. I've always done this using something like 800 pts of space
after for the page break paragraph tag to force the new page. In talking
about this with a colleague, she asked why not set the Pagination to Top of
Page. Hmmm. Good question.

Do you folks have any words of wisdom (pros or cons) for using one method
over the other for a page break paragraph tag?

Thanks!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 

Page break paragraph style

[Stuart Rogers]

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
> Framers,
> 
> Years ago, I learned from this list about creating a paragraph style to use
> for page breaks. I've always done this using something like 800 pts of space
> after for the page break paragraph tag to force the new page. In talking
> about this with a colleague, she asked why not set the Pagination to Top of
> Page. Hmmm. Good question.

I assume you mean, "Top of Page for the following paragraph" rather than 
for the special page break tag. If you make the special tag Top of Page, 
even with the smallest allowable font size of 2pt, you'll end up with a 
ragged top margin on facing pages.

> 
> Do you folks have any words of wisdom (pros or cons) for using one method
> over the other for a page break paragraph tag?

If you don't use a dedicated pagebreak tag and instead set the next pgf 
to Top of Page, you're creating an override of its tag. Override = Bad. 
Hard to maintain.

Having a dedicated page break tag for empty pgfs means you have no 
overrides; you can also colour the empty tag differently so it's easier 
to recognize. You can search for the tags without needing a plug-in to 
find overrides.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"It is not enough that I succeed.
  Others must fail."

-- Oscar Wilde

Page break paragraph style

[Lester C. Smalley]

The difference is that adding space below the "page break" paragraph
leaves it in place on page X and forces the following paragraph (of any
style) to start at the very top of page X+1, while setting the
pagination to top of page pushes the "page break" from page X to the
start of page X+1 and then whatever follows it is below that, not at the
top of the text frame.

I have always used the added space below method, so my templates have a
single "page break" paragraph format (in fact, usually called
{_Page_Break_} as the braces force it to the end of the catalog list and
definitely make it stand out), and I do not need to have perhaps many
duplicated styles for body & top_body, etc where the only difference is
the pagination setting, or using format overrides to achieve the same
result on only selected instances to force those paragraph to start a
new page.

On Tuesday, April 03, 2007 04:31 PM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

| Years ago, I learned from this list about creating a paragraph
| style to use for page breaks. I've always done this using
| something like 800 pts of space after for the page break
| paragraph tag to force the new page. 
| In talking about this with a colleague, she asked why not set
| the Pagination to Top of Page. Hmmm. Good question.
| 
| Do you folks have any words of wisdom (pros or cons) for using
| one method over the other for a page break paragraph tag?
| 
| Thanks!

- Lester 
---
Lester C. Smalley  Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com   
Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com   
---

Page break paragraph style

[Ridder, Fred]

If you use the Top of Page pagination property for a dedicated
paragraph tag to force a page break, then the space occupied 
by this paragraph will push the following paragraph down the
page. You can play with the line spacing and space before/after
this paragraph to minimize its effect, but unless you set its
Space After to a negative value and then modify each and 
every paragraph tag that might follow it to have a similar 
amount of negative Space Before. And once you've gone to
all that trouble, you're left with a paragraph that is almost 
impossible to see or select manually. 

On the other hand, if you use the large Space After technique,
the paragraph that forces the break is always on the preceding
page so that it does not affect the vertical alignment on the
following page. And you can make the default font something
visually obvious (e.g. red and bold) so that you can see the 
paragraph easily and won't be tempted to use it as a regular
text paragraph.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:31 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Page break paragraph style

Framers,

Years ago, I learned from this list about creating a paragraph style to
use
for page breaks. I've always done this using something like 800 pts of
space
after for the page break paragraph tag to force the new page. In talking
about this with a colleague, she asked why not set the Pagination to Top
of
Page. Hmmm. Good question.

Do you folks have any words of wisdom (pros or cons) for using one
method
over the other for a page break paragraph tag?

Thanks!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC

Page break paragraph style

[Mike Wickham]

Linda,

The method you use actually produces a column break that moves the _next_
paragraph to the top of the next column. Setting Pagination to Top of Column
(or Top of Page) moves the _current_ paragraph to the top of the next column
(or page).

I prefer your method. It works a bit like Special> Page Break> At Top of
Next Available Column, except that Frame doesn't see it as an override. So
Remove Overrides won't undo it. I also prefer your method because it
requires only one special paragraph format and leaves me to decide which
kind of paragraph will be at the top of the next column or page. Using the
Pagination settings requires a paragraph format for each paragraph style you
might want to have follow a break. For example, in addition to a Heading1
format that can start mid-column, you might need something like a
Heading1ColBreak format and Heading1PageBreak.

I'd keep doin' it the way you're doin' it!

Mike Wickham

- Original Message - 
From: "Linda G. Gallagher" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Page break paragraph style


>
> Framers,
>
> Years ago, I learned from this list about creating a paragraph style to
> use
> for page breaks. I've always done this using something like 800 pts of
> space
> after for the page break paragraph tag to force the new page. In talking
> about this with a colleague, she asked why not set the Pagination to Top
> of
> Page. Hmmm. Good question.
>
> Do you folks have any words of wisdom (pros or cons) for using one method
> over the other for a page break paragraph tag?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
> WebWorks ePublisher templates
> 
> Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
> Contracting SIG
> http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
> 
>
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Page break paragraph style

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Well, I knew there was a reason, but I could not think of it. Stuart,
Lester, Fred, and Mike hit the nail on the head. I'll recommend sticking
with the page break that with the space after.

I'm not sure I'd suggest Matt's idea of resizing the page frame. That might
work in some cases, but you could end with a number of odd looking pages, in
my view.

Here's another quick one. Are there Windows keyboard shortcuts to switch
from Body pages to Master pages, etc.? I feel like I've seen someone use
something faster than Esc v B, Esc v R, and Esc v M that I found in the
help. 

Thanks all!!!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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-Original Message-
From: Mike Wickham [mailto:mewick...@compuserve.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 3:34 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; Frame Users
Subject: Re: Page break paragraph style

Linda,

The method you use actually produces a column break that moves the _next_
paragraph to the top of the next column. Setting Pagination to Top of Column
(or Top of Page) moves the _current_ paragraph to the top of the next column
(or page).

I prefer your method. It works a bit like Special> Page Break> At Top of
Next Available Column, except that Frame doesn't see it as an override. So
Remove Overrides won't undo it. I also prefer your method because it
requires only one special paragraph format and leaves me to decide which
kind of paragraph will be at the top of the next column or page. Using the
Pagination settings requires a paragraph format for each paragraph style you
might want to have follow a break. For example, in addition to a Heading1
format that can start mid-column, you might need something like a
Heading1ColBreak format and Heading1PageBreak.

I'd keep doin' it the way you're doin' it!

Mike Wickham

- Original Message - 
From: "Linda G. Gallagher" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Page break paragraph style


>
> Framers,
>
> Years ago, I learned from this list about creating a paragraph style to
> use
> for page breaks. I've always done this using something like 800 pts of
> space
> after for the page break paragraph tag to force the new page. In talking
> about this with a colleague, she asked why not set the Pagination to Top
> of
> Page. Hmmm. Good question.
>
> Do you folks have any words of wisdom (pros or cons) for using one method
> over the other for a page break paragraph tag?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
> WebWorks ePublisher templates
> 
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> Contracting SIG
> http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
> 
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Updating cross reference markers

[Kevin Hunter]

hi all,

Over the years as our documents have evolved, and headings and subheadings have 
been fine-tuned and changed, and chapters moved around and titled re-worked as 
content changes, I've had a growing problem with my cross reference markers not 
matching the text of the actual paragraph/heading. Looking in the Framemaker 7 
Ref guide, I found this helpful statement:

"For paragraph cross references, the marker test contains a number assigned to 
the marker, and the paragraph tag and text of the paragraph being cross 
referenced. (The marker text is not updated, so the tag and text may not match 
the cross-reference.)"

Is there in fact no way to update the cross reference markers across a book, so 
that they actually reflect the text of the heading/etc. that they're attached 
to? Or is it like a unique ID (key) used to establish the relationship? I would 
have expected there to be an underlying numeric key value or something, as well 
as the text itself. Or is that not the case? I couldn't find anything on this 
in the archives, nor online

Thanks,

Kevin Hunter

ExcelSystems Software Development, Inc.
BCD International, Inc.
www.bcdsoftware.com
kevinh at excelsystems.com
(250) 655-1766
Fax: (250) 655-1733

Updating cross reference markers

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Kevin,

The Cross-Ref marker text is like a unique ID that matches a hidden property 
of any cross-reference that points to it. It is not necessary for the 
Cross-Ref marker text to match the paragraph that contains it. You would not 
want to change the content of a Cross-Ref marker because it would cause any 
cross-references that point to it to become unresolved.

For a somewhat detailed discussion of this, you may want to see

http://www.frameexpert.com/tutorials/cross-references.htm

particularly under the "Paragraph Cross-References" heading.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



hi all,

Over the years as our documents have evolved, and headings and subheadings 
have been fine-tuned and changed, and chapters moved around and titled 
re-worked as content changes, I've had a growing problem with my cross 
reference markers not matching the text of the actual paragraph/heading. 
Looking in the Framemaker 7 Ref guide, I found this helpful statement:

"For paragraph cross references, the marker test contains a number assigned 
to the marker, and the paragraph tag and text of the paragraph being cross 
referenced. (The marker text is not updated, so the tag and text may not 
match the cross-reference.)"

Is there in fact no way to update the cross reference markers across a book, 
so that they actually reflect the text of the heading/etc. that they're 
attached to? Or is it like a unique ID (key) used to establish the 
relationship? I would have expected there to be an underlying numeric key 
value or something, as well as the text itself. Or is that not the case? I 
couldn't find anything on this in the archives, nor online

Thanks,

Kevin Hunter

ExcelSystems Software Development, Inc.
BCD International, Inc.
www.bcdsoftware.com
kevinh at excelsystems.com
(250) 655-1766
Fax: (250) 655-1733

Page break paragraph style

[Matt Sullivan]

So does the {Page Break} tag mirror your Body tag, or is it used on an empty
para?

1)  I find that an empty para is easier to insert, but unwieldy after
editing. It may result in unwanted breaks after editing.
2)  If the {Page Break} tag mirrors the Body, you need to ensure
consistency between the two tags, much like Numbered & Numbered1.

I suggest a third option to students:
3)  Create a Master Page override by Control-Clicking on the text frame
& adjusting the height of the page. Not only is this Paragraph Tag
independent, but when you re-import your template after formatting
revisions, you can remove all "manual page breaks" (the Page Layout
overrides) without worrying about bad breaks from the use of either
Pagination or Space Below paras. This technique also allows for an extra
line on the page if needed, something the first 2 do not.



-Matt Sullivan



GRAFIX Training, Inc.

An Adobe Authorized Training Center

www.grafixtraining.com

888 882-2819 

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From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 1:31 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Page break paragraph style

Framers,

Years ago, I learned from this list about creating a paragraph style to use
for page breaks. I've always done this using something like 800 pts of space
after for the page break paragraph tag to force the new page. In talking
about this with a colleague, she asked why not set the Pagination to Top of
Page. Hmmm. Good question.

Do you folks have any words of wisdom (pros or cons) for using one method
over the other for a page break paragraph tag?

Thanks!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
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