Re: Framers Digest, Vol 30, Issue 2

[John Pilla]

Our Co. just went from FM 7 to FM 8. 
I've had no problems. 
We have templates and all seem to work. 
I kept FM 7 on my 'puter, just-in-case. 
(You might want to keep both FM 7  FM 8 on for a while, 
if you think there might be some issues. 
Older FM 7 files seem to open just fine in FM 8.
As far as Acrobat, after Frame installation, 
you now have option to install Acrobat or not. 
 
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IBM Certified Deployment Professional - Maximo V6 ITSM 
Foundation Certificate in IT Service Management 
 



   7. installing Frame 8 (Dave Reynolds)

- Message from Dave Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, 02 Apr 
2008 16:42:35 +1300 -
To:
FrameUsers List framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject:
installing Frame 8

Hi Folks

I'm the first in our team who will install Frame 8 - so I'm the lucky 
guinea pig who will be testing our templates to see how they behave in 
the new version.

Although I've been keeping a record of bugs and problems reported on the 
list, I can't find anything about the actual installation (and 
FrameUsers is down at the moment).

So, are there any problems or gotchas I should be aware of before I 
install Frame 8?  I currently have Frame 6 and Acrobat 7 Pro installed. 
Will Frame 8 try to install a version of Acrobat (as happened with 
previous versions), and if so, can I cancel that so I don't lose my 
already installed Acrobat?

Any advice much appreciated.

Cheers

Dave

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extract changed texts

[Gunnar Carlsson]

Hi,
One client ask me to extract all lines that have any changes (=marked 
with change bars) to get a rough idea about the amount of text to 
translate.  Anyone has an idea?  There are many many pages, so manual 
mark-copy-paste is not what I would like to do.

Regards

Gunnar 


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Moving from Frame 7.1 and Webworks to Adobe Technical Communication Suite

[Jim Owens]

Hello, I'm new to this list. A colleague forwarded kimwrites' question 
about migrating from FM 7.1 / WWP to ACTS.

We're contemplating exactly the same migration, for the same reasons, 
and I've been evaluating ATCS with RH 7.0.1 for the past week. Our aim 
is to produce a merged context-sensitive CHM file. Overall RH is easy to 
use and well-supported by the RH community. However, compared to WWP it 
has some limitations. Here are my concerns so far:


- Ordered lists: Our Frame source uses complex autonumbering. RH does 
not interpret them successfully into ol elements.

- Context-sensitivity: In the RH output, the TOC selection is not 
updated to match the topic. (This is because the alias file includes an 
anchor.)

- Merged context-sensitivity: As with WWP, this requires post-processing 
of the alias files.

- Merged index: If an index entry is linked to more than one topic, so 
that a secondary list appears, all the entries in the secondary list 
show the original index entry repeatedly instead of the individual topic 
titles.

- Graphics support: TIF files from PaintShop Pro screen captures are not 
converted successfully in the RH output.

- Drop-down hotspots: These cannot be generated automatically from FM tags.

- Breadcrumbs: These cannot be inserted automatically into the RH HTML 
output. (In WWP we could do this using macros. RH does not have a macro 
or scripting language.)

- Browse sequences: RH is supposed to be able to generate them 
automaticaly from the TOC, but so far it hasn't worked for me. (I have 
an open thread about this at the Adobe forum for FrameMaker Integration, 
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid=65catid=680flcache=6886628.)

- Related Topics buttons: These cannot be generated automatically from 
FM tags.

- Stability: I have had a dozen crashes during the evaluation, and I 
have had to abandon four projects because they could not be revived 
after a crash.


I haven't investigated the style control features, DHTML options, or 
topic layout controls. These are generic to HTML and I assume RH has 
done a good job there.









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Upgrade to Frame 8

[Jeff Schweiner]

Hi Joyce,

I've also experienced this feature and have come across a repeatable pattern 
of failure.
Can others try this and report back whether it fails for them also?

I'm experiencing problems with dropped characters in text lines. Also, I've 
noticed the history doesn't seem to log all changes made to text lines. The 
problem can be duplicated as follows: 

1. Open a new portrait blank document and add an anchored frame. (recorded in 
history) 
2. Add a text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette. In the 
text line, type 1234 (recorded in history). 
3. Save the file. (history cleared) 
4. Click the cursor after the 4 in the text line and hit a carriage return to 
create a new text line. (not recorded in history) 
5. In the new text line, type 1234567890(not recorded in history) 
6. Save the file. 
7. Refresh the screen (cntl l) and the second text line now reads 12346890 
(dropped the 5 and 7). Printing the file in steps 5 and 6 also show the 5 and 7 
are missing. 
8. Add a new text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette. In the 
text line, type 12345 (recorded in history). 
9. Save the file. (history cleared) 
10. Click the cursor after the 5 in the text line from step 8 and hit a 
carriage return to create a new text line. (not recorded in history) 
11. In the new text line, type 1234567890(not recorded in history) 
12. Save the file. 
13. Refresh the screen and the second text line now reads 12345790 (dropped 
the 6 and 8). 

I get this to fail every time running the trial version 8.0p273 on two 
different XP SP2 systems.



Joyce wrote:

All -

I have noticed both the issues reported by John, and have another to
add.

When I use the text tool to add a callout inside an anchored frame - as
I've done for years with previous versions of FrameMaker - the text
changes. That is, random letters disappear. I've seen it happen several
times, even after saving. But if I place the callout inside a text frame
(inside the anchored frame), it's OK.  

Has anyone else experienced this feature?

Joyce


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Cray Inc.
(715) 726-4801

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Re: extract changed texts

[martin . smith]

Hi Gunnar,

This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.

Using FrameScript you would would do the following:

Loop for every chapter in a book:
--Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
If a change bar is detected:
Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document

If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
(www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.

If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
contact me off list.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
www.golehtek.com

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Re: Upgrade to Frame 8

[Jim Owens]

I just tried this with my trial FM 8.0p273, and it is exactly as you 
describe.

Jeff Schweiner wrote:

 I've also experienced this feature and have come across a repeatable 
 pattern of failure.
 Can others try this and report back whether it fails for them also?
 
 I'm experiencing problems with dropped characters in text lines. Also, I've 
 noticed the history doesn't seem to log all changes made to text lines. The 
 problem can be duplicated as follows: 
 
 1. Open a new portrait blank document and add an anchored frame. (recorded in 
 history) 
 2. Add a text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette. In the 
 text line, type 1234 (recorded in history). 
 3. Save the file. (history cleared) 
 4. Click the cursor after the 4 in the text line and hit a carriage return 
 to create a new text line. (not recorded in history) 
 5. In the new text line, type 1234567890(not recorded in history) 
 6. Save the file. 
 7. Refresh the screen (cntl l) and the second text line now reads 12346890 
 (dropped the 5 and 7). Printing the file in steps 5 and 6 also show the 5 and 
 7 are missing. 
 8. Add a new text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette. In 
 the text line, type 12345 (recorded in history). 
 9. Save the file. (history cleared) 
 10. Click the cursor after the 5 in the text line from step 8 and hit a 
 carriage return to create a new text line. (not recorded in history) 
 11. In the new text line, type 1234567890(not recorded in history) 
 12. Save the file. 
 13. Refresh the screen and the second text line now reads 12345790 (dropped 
 the 6 and 8). 
 
 I get this to fail every time running the trial version 8.0p273 on two 
 different XP SP2 systems.
 

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Frame 8 issues

[Fred Wersan]

Although I've had Frame 8 since last summer, I've only just now migrated 
my files to it. I've noticed three things that I don't recall seeing in 
other people's complaints these last few months.

1. in the graphics Tools palette, the display of the current line 
thickness and tint is busted.

2. Sometimes when I open the files in a book, the menu bar seems to go 
crazy. I suspect this is related to Frame or one or more of the plug-ins 
I have running figuring out the context.

3. I had hoped that the crash when searching through closed files was 
fixed, but it still seems to be around.

If anyone has any fixes to these, I'd appreciate hearing about them. I 
am upgraded to p273.

Fred
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MAK Technologies
68 Moulton St.
Cambridge, MA 02138
617-876-8085
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Re: extract changed texts

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the 
same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Gunnar,

 This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
 powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.

 Using FrameScript you would would do the following:

 Loop for every chapter in a book:
 --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
 Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
 If a change bar is detected:
 Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document

 If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
 are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
 FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
 (www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.

 If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
 contact me off list.

 Best regards,

 Martin

 Martin R. Smith
 www.golehtek.com

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RE: Upgrade to Frame 8

[Syed.Hosain]

I see the same problem ... quite repeatable. Characters get eliminated
from the text line following a carriage return (even later entries!).

1. Doing a control-L before the save does NOT show any problems.

2. Starting, saving a file, closing it, and then re-opening the file (no
control-L) shows the problem.

3. A single line by itself (1234567890) does NOT show problem.

Basically, to me, it appears that the act of entering a carriage return
at the end of a textline, entering a new line, and saving the file is
causing the problem ...

Definitely a bug of some sort!!! Needs a fix.

Z

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Jeff Schweiner
 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:49 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Upgrade to Frame 8
 
 Hi Joyce,
 
 I've also experienced this feature and have come across a repeatable
pattern of failure.
 Can others try this and report back whether it fails for them also?
 
 I'm experiencing problems with dropped characters in text lines. Also,
I've noticed the history
 doesn't seem to log all changes made to text lines. The problem can be
duplicated as follows:
 
 1. Open a new portrait blank document and add an anchored frame.
(recorded in history)
 2. Add a text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette.
In the text line, type 1234
 (recorded in history).
 3. Save the file. (history cleared)
 4. Click the cursor after the 4 in the text line and hit a carriage
return to create a new text
 line. (not recorded in history)
 5. In the new text line, type 1234567890(not recorded in history)
 6. Save the file.
 7. Refresh the screen (cntl l) and the second text line now reads
12346890 (dropped the 5 and 7).
 Printing the file in steps 5 and 6 also show the 5 and 7 are missing.
 8. Add a new text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools
Palette. In the text line, type
 12345 (recorded in history).
 9. Save the file. (history cleared)
 10. Click the cursor after the 5 in the text line from step 8 and
hit a carriage return to create a
 new text line. (not recorded in history)
 11. In the new text line, type 1234567890(not recorded in history)
 12. Save the file.
 13. Refresh the screen and the second text line now reads 12345790
(dropped the 6 and 8).
 
 I get this to fail every time running the trial version 8.0p273 on two
different XP SP2 systems.
 


 
 Joyce wrote:
 
 All -
 
 I have noticed both the issues reported by John, and have another to
 add.
 
 When I use the text tool to add a callout inside an anchored frame -
as
 I've done for years with previous versions of FrameMaker - the text
 changes. That is, random letters disappear. I've seen it happen
several
 times, even after saving. But if I place the callout inside a text
frame
 (inside the anchored frame), it's OK.
 
 Has anyone else experienced this feature?
 
 Joyce
 
 
 --
 Jeff Schweiner
 Hardware Engineering Writer
 Cray Inc.
 (715) 726-4801
 
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RE: Upgrade to Frame 8

[Syed.Hosain]

One additional observation:

The previous line where you do the carriage return, has to be shorter
than the next line to see the problem.

I.e., 12345, cr, 1234567890 shows the problem, but 1234567890,
cr, 12345 does NOT.

Z

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 Chief Technical Officer

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 -Original Message-
 From: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:05 AM
 To: 'Jeff Schweiner'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Upgrade to Frame 8
 
 I see the same problem ... quite repeatable. Characters get
eliminated from the text line following
 a carriage return (even later entries!).
 
 1. Doing a control-L before the save does NOT show any problems.
 
 2. Starting, saving a file, closing it, and then re-opening the file
(no control-L) shows the problem.
 
 3. A single line by itself (1234567890) does NOT show problem.
 
 Basically, to me, it appears that the act of entering a carriage
return at the end of a textline,
 entering a new line, and saving the file is causing the problem ...
 
 Definitely a bug of some sort!!! Needs a fix.
 
 Z
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of
  Jeff Schweiner
  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:49 AM
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Upgrade to Frame 8
 
  Hi Joyce,
 
  I've also experienced this feature and have come across a
repeatable pattern of failure.
  Can others try this and report back whether it fails for them also?
 
  I'm experiencing problems with dropped characters in text lines.
Also, I've noticed the history
  doesn't seem to log all changes made to text lines. The problem can
be duplicated as follows:
 
  1. Open a new portrait blank document and add an anchored frame.
(recorded in history)
  2. Add a text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette.
In the text line, type 1234
  (recorded in history).
  3. Save the file. (history cleared)
  4. Click the cursor after the 4 in the text line and hit a
carriage return to create a new text
  line. (not recorded in history)
  5. In the new text line, type 1234567890(not recorded in history)
  6. Save the file.
  7. Refresh the screen (cntl l) and the second text line now reads
12346890 (dropped the 5 and 7).
  Printing the file in steps 5 and 6 also show the 5 and 7 are
missing.
  8. Add a new text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools
Palette. In the text line, type
  12345 (recorded in history).
  9. Save the file. (history cleared)
  10. Click the cursor after the 5 in the text line from step 8 and
hit a carriage return to create
 a
  new text line. (not recorded in history)
  11. In the new text line, type 1234567890(not recorded in history)
  12. Save the file.
  13. Refresh the screen and the second text line now reads 12345790
(dropped the 6 and 8).
 
  I get this to fail every time running the trial version 8.0p273 on
two different XP SP2 systems.
 
 

 
  Joyce wrote:
 
  All -
 
  I have noticed both the issues reported by John, and have another to
  add.
 
  When I use the text tool to add a callout inside an anchored frame -
as
  I've done for years with previous versions of FrameMaker - the text
  changes. That is, random letters disappear. I've seen it happen
several
  times, even after saving. But if I place the callout inside a text
frame
  (inside the anchored frame), it's OK.
 
  Has anyone else experienced this feature?
 
  Joyce
 
 
  --
  Jeff Schweiner
  Hardware Engineering Writer
  Cray Inc.
  (715) 726-4801
 
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Re: PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks

[Art Campbell]

Referenced graphic file would be pretty standard.

OLE isn't reliable, and copying the graphic in makes the files too large.

Art

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 How do you import them into FrameMaker?  Do you link or what!



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Re: extract changed texts

[Jim Owens]

Hello, Gunnar. We have a REXX script that processes MIF files to extract 
only the changebar text. We use it to get a rough word counts for 
translation. You're welcome to it if you don't find anything else.

To run the script you'd need to install a free REXX interpreter (I use 
Regina).

Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
 Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the 
 same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.
 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Gunnar,

 This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
 powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.

 Using FrameScript you would would do the following:

 Loop for every chapter in a book:
 --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
 Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
 If a change bar is detected:
 Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document

 If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
 are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
 FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
 (www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.

 If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
 contact me off list.

 Best regards,

 Martin

 Martin R. Smith
 www.golehtek.com

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Error Window in Frame PC

[Scott White]

Is there a setting to turn on that lets you see errors while importing  
a file into framemaker on the PC? On the MAC I see a window pop up  
when there is a problem importing a file, but on the PC I do not. I'm  
trying to trouble shoot a file a client has forwarded me and would  
like to see if I get the same errors as on the MAC.
I have show file translation errors on for both MAC and PC Framemaker  
applications.
Thanks.

Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
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Re: installing Frame 8

[Dave Reynolds]

Thanks to those who have replied.  It might have seemed like an odd 
question, now that I know there are 2 discs.  However, we've bought some 
sort of corporate licence and all I have is an exe file that our IT 
people have provided - I assume they have downloaded it.  I will see if 
I can get hold of the actual discs etc.

Thanks

Dave

Pete Rourke wrote, on 3/04/2008 6:52 a.m.:
 Mine came with 2 discs, I loaded the PDF Printer (from the 2nd)
 Following the standard installation, it would be wise to do the updates (at
 least 2) from the help menu before use.
 Pete
 Chandler, AZ

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:43 PM
 To: FrameUsers List
 Subject: installing Frame 8

 Hi Folks

 I'm the first in our team who will install Frame 8 - so I'm the lucky 
 guinea pig who will be testing our templates to see how they behave in 
 the new version.

 Although I've been keeping a record of bugs and problems reported on the 
 list, I can't find anything about the actual installation (and 
 FrameUsers is down at the moment).

 So, are there any problems or gotchas I should be aware of before I 
 install Frame 8?  I currently have Frame 6 and Acrobat 7 Pro installed.  
 Will Frame 8 try to install a version of Acrobat (as happened with 
 previous versions), and if so, can I cancel that so I don't lose my 
 already installed Acrobat?

 Any advice much appreciated.

 Cheers

 Dave

   

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Fwd: Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...

[Peter Gold]

Sent before complete
Hi, Syed:


   In tables that do not stretch over the entire page width, table
   footnotes do not stretch to the page width either. They wrap --- pretty
   much at the right edge of the rightmost table column.
 
   Is there a way to change this? I.e., have the table be relatively narrow
   and yet have the table footnote go all the way across the page (or to
   some other setting point)?

 You can imitate table footnotes:

 * Change the table footnote paragraph format to white text, 2pt, no
 space above/below, run-into paragraph. This makes them very small, all
 on one line below the table.

 * Delete or rename the Reference-page table footnote separator frame.
 This eliminates space between the table and the tiny invisible
 footnotes.

 * Create a new paragraph format for your fake table footnotes.

 * Create a new cross-reference format for your fake table footnotes,
 with the building block $paranumonly. Precede it with a
character-format building block if you like, for example
Emphasis$paranumonly.

It works like this:

* Create a table footnote in a cell. The footnote's reference symbol,
number, or letter appears at the insertion point. The actual footnote
symbol, number, or letter appears below the table, white and tiny -
almost invisible. Because its paragraph format is run-into, additional
table footnotes will appear on the same line, until there are so many
that they wrap to the next line.

* Below the invisible table footnote indicators, create a new blank
paragraph tagged with your new table footnote paragraph format.

* Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph in the table that has the
table footnote reference.

* The table footnote's reference symbol, number, or letter appears at
the beginning of the paragraph.

* Type the footnote text; it wraps at the right margin as expected,
independent of the table width.

NOTES:

* If you rearrange the order of the table footnote sources, or
add/delete table footnotes, you'll need to use Edit  Update
References All Cross-References to update the cross-references.

* If you insert new footnotes in cells before, or between others in
the table, you'll need to create their fake paragraphs at the
corresponding place in the footnote list that follows the table.

* Depending on your needs, you may want to create your fake table
footnotes in a text frame in an anchored frame you create below the
table.

You can find more about the principle involved here by reading the
topic Inserting more than one reference to a footnote, in FM Help.

Please report back to this list about your progress and results.
Others on the list may have other suggestions, or improvements to add.

HTH

 Regards,

 Peter
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RE: Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...

[Syed.Hosain]

Thanks! I will give this a shot.

Z

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:26 PM
 To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Fwd: Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...
 
 Sent before complete
 Hi, Syed:
 
 
In tables that do not stretch over the entire page width, table
footnotes do not stretch to the page width either. They wrap --- pretty
much at the right edge of the rightmost table column.
  
Is there a way to change this? I.e., have the table be relatively narrow
and yet have the table footnote go all the way across the page (or to
some other setting point)?
 
  You can imitate table footnotes:
 
  * Change the table footnote paragraph format to white text, 2pt, no
  space above/below, run-into paragraph. This makes them very small, all
  on one line below the table.
 
  * Delete or rename the Reference-page table footnote separator frame.
  This eliminates space between the table and the tiny invisible
  footnotes.
 
  * Create a new paragraph format for your fake table footnotes.
 
  * Create a new cross-reference format for your fake table footnotes,
  with the building block $paranumonly. Precede it with a
 character-format building block if you like, for example
 Emphasis$paranumonly.
 
 It works like this:
 
 * Create a table footnote in a cell. The footnote's reference symbol,
 number, or letter appears at the insertion point. The actual footnote
 symbol, number, or letter appears below the table, white and tiny -
 almost invisible. Because its paragraph format is run-into, additional
 table footnotes will appear on the same line, until there are so many
 that they wrap to the next line.
 
 * Below the invisible table footnote indicators, create a new blank
 paragraph tagged with your new table footnote paragraph format.
 
 * Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph in the table that has the
 table footnote reference.
 
 * The table footnote's reference symbol, number, or letter appears at
 the beginning of the paragraph.
 
 * Type the footnote text; it wraps at the right margin as expected,
 independent of the table width.
 
 NOTES:
 
 * If you rearrange the order of the table footnote sources, or
 add/delete table footnotes, you'll need to use Edit  Update
 References All Cross-References to update the cross-references.
 
 * If you insert new footnotes in cells before, or between others in
 the table, you'll need to create their fake paragraphs at the
 corresponding place in the footnote list that follows the table.
 
 * Depending on your needs, you may want to create your fake table
 footnotes in a text frame in an anchored frame you create below the
 table.
 
 You can find more about the principle involved here by reading the
 topic Inserting more than one reference to a footnote, in FM Help.
 
 Please report back to this list about your progress and results.
 Others on the list may have other suggestions, or improvements to add.
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RE: Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, all.

I decided not to try this one from Peter, because I received another suggestion 
off-line that did exactly what I wanted. Since it was a private communication, 
I will not identify who it came from, but the idea was very easy to do (in my 
own words here):

Just add another column to the right of the table - extended
to the page column boundary - that does not show borders or
any fill pattern. Then the table width is effectively across
the whole page column width, and the footnote stretches out
to the page column size.

This worked very well for what I was trying to achieve!

Thanks,

Z

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:26 PM
 To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Fwd: Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...
 
 Sent before complete
 Hi, Syed:
 
 
In tables that do not stretch over the entire page width, table
footnotes do not stretch to the page width either. They wrap --- pretty
much at the right edge of the rightmost table column.
  
Is there a way to change this? I.e., have the table be relatively narrow
and yet have the table footnote go all the way across the page (or to
some other setting point)?
 
  You can imitate table footnotes:
 
  * Change the table footnote paragraph format to white text, 2pt, no
  space above/below, run-into paragraph. This makes them very small, all
  on one line below the table.
 
  * Delete or rename the Reference-page table footnote separator frame.
  This eliminates space between the table and the tiny invisible
  footnotes.
 
  * Create a new paragraph format for your fake table footnotes.
 
  * Create a new cross-reference format for your fake table footnotes,
  with the building block $paranumonly. Precede it with a
 character-format building block if you like, for example
 Emphasis$paranumonly.
 
 It works like this:
 
 * Create a table footnote in a cell. The footnote's reference symbol,
 number, or letter appears at the insertion point. The actual footnote
 symbol, number, or letter appears below the table, white and tiny -
 almost invisible. Because its paragraph format is run-into, additional
 table footnotes will appear on the same line, until there are so many
 that they wrap to the next line.
 
 * Below the invisible table footnote indicators, create a new blank
 paragraph tagged with your new table footnote paragraph format.
 
 * Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph in the table that has the
 table footnote reference.
 
 * The table footnote's reference symbol, number, or letter appears at
 the beginning of the paragraph.
 
 * Type the footnote text; it wraps at the right margin as expected,
 independent of the table width.
 
 NOTES:
 
 * If you rearrange the order of the table footnote sources, or
 add/delete table footnotes, you'll need to use Edit  Update
 References All Cross-References to update the cross-references.
 
 * If you insert new footnotes in cells before, or between others in
 the table, you'll need to create their fake paragraphs at the
 corresponding place in the footnote list that follows the table.
 
 * Depending on your needs, you may want to create your fake table
 footnotes in a text frame in an anchored frame you create below the
 table.
 
 You can find more about the principle involved here by reading the
 topic Inserting more than one reference to a footnote, in FM Help.
 
 Please report back to this list about your progress and results.
 Others on the list may have other suggestions, or improvements to add.
 
 HTH
 
  Regards,
 
  Peter
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Re: Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...

[Peter Gold]

I like it, too!

Simpler is usually better.

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

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 Hi, all.

  I decided not to try this one from Peter, because I received another 
 suggestion off-line that did exactly what I wanted. Since it was a private 
 communication, I will not identify who it came from, but the idea was very 
 easy to do (in my own words here):

 Just add another column to the right of the table - extended
 to the page column boundary - that does not show borders or
 any fill pattern. Then the table width is effectively across
 the whole page column width, and the footnote stretches out
 to the page column size.

  This worked very well for what I was trying to achieve!

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RE: PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks

[Combs, Richard]

Boone Severson had some questions for Art:
  Hello Art,
 
   Can you clarify reliable? Prone to corruption, crashing, 
 etc? After years of using FrameMaker's internal drawing tool, 
 we're going to adopt an external diagramming tool. To keep 
 the usability the same, we were going to use OLE.

I've used OLE successfully in docs that only contain one or two Visio
drawings. I'd never use it in docs that contain many. 

   I've seen the file size grow quite a bit (172k .fm7 file + 
 200k Visio file turns into a 4.4 MB .fm7 file using OLE), but 
 it's still the most user friendly. If someone needs to update 
 a drawing, they double-click and do it right there.

So that saves you Alt-Tabbing to your file manager, drilling down a
level to the book's graphics folder, and double-clicking the Visio
source file -- maybe seven seconds? That little bit of convenience isn't
worth the corruption/crash risk, massive file bloat, and slowing of the
system, IMHO.

   For those that link in PDF conversions, what kind of 
 filename conventions are being used? Figure 6 isn't always 
 going to be Figure 6, and due to some refactoring that 
 sub-section could be moved to another file in the book.

Filename conventions? My PDFs have the same name as the Visio file from
which they're created, but with a .pdf extension. You do have Visio
files from which you create your linked OLE objects, don't you? (If not
-- if the drawing only exists as an embedded, not linked, object in the
FM file, you're _really_ living on the edge.) 

There are probably only slightly fewer graphics file naming conventions
than tech writers. I'm sure some work better than others, but any one of
them is better than not having your graphics source files at all.

   I guess the question is: If OLE has showstopping faults, 
 what's the next best thing for usability?

For Visio drawings, a PDF workflow works wonderfully for me. It's
rock-solid, and the FM file size is unchanged. 

Visio itself is great. If you have it installed when you install
Acrobat, the latter puts its PDFMaker plugin into Visio just like it
does into Word or Excel. So creating a PDF is as easy as clicking a
toolbar button. 

Visio files can contain multiple drawing pages, and PDFMaker will
dutifully produce multi-page PDFs from them. When you import a
multi-page PDF into FM (File  Import  File, By Reference), FM lets you
pick a page (by scrolling or entering a page number) and even shows you
a thumbnail. 

I have some Visio files that contain 20 or 30 call flow diagrams each.
Their page size is 6 x 8.5, so they fit nicely in my FM page layout,
one per page with a figure caption above. The initial import of the PDF
pages went quite quickly, really, and updates are cake. 

The steps in updating a drawing are: (1) open the Visio file; (2) edit
and save it; (3) make PDF. Since they're imported by reference, whenever
the PDF changes, the FM file is updated automatically. 

For any workflow using files imported by reference, you need at least
minimal file management skills and discipline -- everything's not in one
file, so you have to keep track of the pieces and not break the links.
But at its simplest, that just means creating a graphics subdirectory
for each FM book directory and putting all the book's referenced
graphics in it. Not exactly rocket science. :-)

HTH! 
Richard 


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installing Frame 8

[Dave Reynolds]

Hi Folks

I'm the first in our team who will install Frame 8 - so I'm the lucky 
guinea pig who will be testing our templates to see how they behave in 
the new version.

Although I've been keeping a record of bugs and problems reported on the 
list, I can't find anything about the actual installation (and 
FrameUsers is down at the moment).

So, are there any problems or gotchas I should be aware of before I 
install Frame 8?  I currently have Frame 6 and Acrobat 7 Pro installed.  
Will Frame 8 try to install a version of Acrobat (as happened with 
previous versions), and if so, can I cancel that so I don't lose my 
already installed Acrobat?

Any advice much appreciated.

Cheers

Dave

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Framers Digest, Vol 30, Issue 2

[John Pilla]

Our Co. just went from FM 7 to FM 8. 
I've had no problems. 
We have templates and all seem to work. 
I kept FM 7 on my 'puter, just-in-case. 
(You might want to keep both FM 7 & FM 8 on for a while, 
if you think there might be some issues. 
Older FM 7 files seem to open just fine in FM 8.
As far as Acrobat, after Frame installation, 
you now have option to install Acrobat or not. 
 
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   7. installing Frame 8 (Dave Reynolds)

- Message from Dave Reynolds  on Wed, 02 Apr 
2008 16:42:35 +1300 -
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extract changed texts

[Gunnar Carlsson]

Hi,
One client ask me to extract all lines that have any changes (=marked 
with change bars) to get a rough idea about the amount of text to 
translate.  Anyone has an idea?  There are many many pages, so manual 
mark-copy-paste is not what I would like to do.

Regards

Gunnar 

Moving from Frame 7.1 and Webworks to Adobe Technical Communication Suite

[Jim Owens]

Hello, I'm new to this list. A colleague forwarded kimwrites' question 
about migrating from FM 7.1 / WWP to ACTS.

We're contemplating exactly the same migration, for the same reasons, 
and I've been evaluating ATCS with RH 7.0.1 for the past week. Our aim 
is to produce a merged context-sensitive CHM file. Overall RH is easy to 
use and well-supported by the RH community. However, compared to WWP it 
has some limitations. Here are my concerns so far:


- Ordered lists: Our Frame source uses complex autonumbering. RH does 
not interpret them successfully into  elements.

- Context-sensitivity: In the RH output, the TOC selection is not 
updated to match the topic. (This is because the alias file includes an 
anchor.)

- Merged context-sensitivity: As with WWP, this requires post-processing 
of the alias files.

- Merged index: If an index entry is linked to more than one topic, so 
that a secondary list appears, all the entries in the secondary list 
show the original index entry repeatedly instead of the individual topic 
titles.

- Graphics support: TIF files from PaintShop Pro screen captures are not 
converted successfully in the RH output.

- Drop-down hotspots: These cannot be generated automatically from FM tags.

- Breadcrumbs: These cannot be inserted automatically into the RH HTML 
output. (In WWP we could do this using macros. RH does not have a macro 
or scripting language.)

- Browse sequences: RH is supposed to be able to generate them 
automaticaly from the TOC, but so far it hasn't worked for me. (I have 
an open thread about this at the Adobe forum for FrameMaker Integration, 
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid=65=680=6886628.)

- Related Topics buttons: These cannot be generated automatically from 
FM tags.

- Stability: I have had a dozen crashes during the evaluation, and I 
have had to abandon four projects because they could not be revived 
after a crash.


I haven't investigated the style control features, DHTML options, or 
topic layout controls. These are generic to HTML and I assume RH has 
done a good job there.

Upgrade to Frame 8

[Jeff Schweiner]

Hi Joyce,

I've also experienced this "feature" and have come across a repeatable pattern 
of failure.
Can others try this and report back whether it fails for them also?

I'm experiencing problems with dropped characters in text lines. Also, I've 
noticed the history doesn't seem to log all changes made to text lines. The 
problem can be duplicated as follows: 

1. Open a new portrait blank document and add an anchored frame. (recorded in 
history) 
2. Add a text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette. In the 
text line, type "1234" (recorded in history). 
3. Save the file. (history cleared) 
4. Click the cursor after the "4" in the text line and hit a carriage return to 
create a new text line. (not recorded in history) 
5. In the new text line, type "1234567890"(not recorded in history) 
6. Save the file. 
7. Refresh the screen (cntl l) and the second text line now reads "12346890" 
(dropped the 5 and 7). Printing the file in steps 5 and 6 also show the 5 and 7 
are missing. 
8. Add a new text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette. In the 
text line, type "12345" (recorded in history). 
9. Save the file. (history cleared) 
10. Click the cursor after the "5" in the text line from step 8 and hit a 
carriage return to create a new text line. (not recorded in history) 
11. In the new text line, type "1234567890"(not recorded in history) 
12. Save the file. 
13. Refresh the screen and the second text line now reads "12345790" (dropped 
the 6 and 8). 

I get this to fail every time running the trial version 8.0p273 on two 
different XP SP2 systems.



Joyce wrote:

All -

I have noticed both the issues reported by John, and have another to
add.

When I use the text tool to add a callout inside an anchored frame - as
I've done for years with previous versions of FrameMaker - the text
changes. That is, random letters disappear. I've seen it happen several
times, even after saving. But if I place the callout inside a text frame
(inside the anchored frame), it's OK.  

Has anyone else experienced this "feature"?

Joyce


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Cray Inc.
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extract changed texts

[martin.sm...@golehtek.com]

Hi Gunnar,

This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.

Using FrameScript you would would do the following:

Loop for every chapter in a book:
--Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
If a change bar is detected:
Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document

If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
(www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.

If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
contact me off list.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
www.golehtek.com

Upgrade to Frame 8

[Jim Owens]

I just tried this with my trial FM 8.0p273, and it is exactly as you 
describe.

Jeff Schweiner wrote:

> I've also experienced this "feature" and have come across a repeatable 
> pattern of failure.
> Can others try this and report back whether it fails for them also?
> 
> I'm experiencing problems with dropped characters in text lines. Also, I've 
> noticed the history doesn't seem to log all changes made to text lines. The 
> problem can be duplicated as follows: 
> 
> 1. Open a new portrait blank document and add an anchored frame. (recorded in 
> history) 
> 2. Add a text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette. In the 
> text line, type "1234" (recorded in history). 
> 3. Save the file. (history cleared) 
> 4. Click the cursor after the "4" in the text line and hit a carriage return 
> to create a new text line. (not recorded in history) 
> 5. In the new text line, type "1234567890"(not recorded in history) 
> 6. Save the file. 
> 7. Refresh the screen (cntl l) and the second text line now reads "12346890" 
> (dropped the 5 and 7). Printing the file in steps 5 and 6 also show the 5 and 
> 7 are missing. 
> 8. Add a new text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette. In 
> the text line, type "12345" (recorded in history). 
> 9. Save the file. (history cleared) 
> 10. Click the cursor after the "5" in the text line from step 8 and hit a 
> carriage return to create a new text line. (not recorded in history) 
> 11. In the new text line, type "1234567890"(not recorded in history) 
> 12. Save the file. 
> 13. Refresh the screen and the second text line now reads "12345790" (dropped 
> the 6 and 8). 
> 
> I get this to fail every time running the trial version 8.0p273 on two 
> different XP SP2 systems.
> 

Frame 8 issues

[Fred Wersan]

Although I've had Frame 8 since last summer, I've only just now migrated 
my files to it. I've noticed three things that I don't recall seeing in 
other people's complaints these last few months.

1. in the graphics Tools palette, the display of the current line 
thickness and tint is busted.

2. Sometimes when I open the files in a book, the menu bar seems to go 
crazy. I suspect this is related to Frame or one or more of the plug-ins 
I have running figuring out the context.

3. I had hoped that the crash when searching through closed files was 
fixed, but it still seems to be around.

If anyone has any fixes to these, I'd appreciate hearing about them. I 
am upgraded to p273.

Fred
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Senior Technical Writer
MAK Technologies
68 Moulton St.
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617-876-8085

extract changed texts

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the 
same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
> Hi Gunnar,
>
> This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
> powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.
>
> Using FrameScript you would would do the following:
>
> Loop for every chapter in a book:
> --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
> Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
> If a change bar is detected:
> Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document
>
> If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
> are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
> FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
> (www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.
>
> If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
> contact me off list.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin
>
> Martin R. Smith
> www.golehtek.com
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Upgrade to Frame 8

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

I see the same problem ... quite repeatable. Characters get "eliminated"
from the text line following a carriage return (even later entries!).

1. Doing a control-L before the save does NOT show any problems.

2. Starting, saving a file, closing it, and then re-opening the file (no
control-L) shows the problem.

3. A single line by itself ("1234567890") does NOT show problem.

Basically, to me, it appears that the act of entering a carriage return
at the end of a textline, entering a new line, and saving the file is
causing the problem ...

Definitely a bug of some sort!!! Needs a fix.

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Jeff Schweiner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:49 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Upgrade to Frame 8
> 
> Hi Joyce,
> 
> I've also experienced this "feature" and have come across a repeatable
pattern of failure.
> Can others try this and report back whether it fails for them also?
> 
> I'm experiencing problems with dropped characters in text lines. Also,
I've noticed the history
> doesn't seem to log all changes made to text lines. The problem can be
duplicated as follows:
> 
> 1. Open a new portrait blank document and add an anchored frame.
(recorded in history)
> 2. Add a text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette.
In the text line, type "1234"
> (recorded in history).
> 3. Save the file. (history cleared)
> 4. Click the cursor after the "4" in the text line and hit a carriage
return to create a new text
> line. (not recorded in history)
> 5. In the new text line, type "1234567890"(not recorded in history)
> 6. Save the file.
> 7. Refresh the screen (cntl l) and the second text line now reads
"12346890" (dropped the 5 and 7).
> Printing the file in steps 5 and 6 also show the 5 and 7 are missing.
> 8. Add a new text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools
Palette. In the text line, type
> "12345" (recorded in history).
> 9. Save the file. (history cleared)
> 10. Click the cursor after the "5" in the text line from step 8 and
hit a carriage return to create a
> new text line. (not recorded in history)
> 11. In the new text line, type "1234567890"(not recorded in history)
> 12. Save the file.
> 13. Refresh the screen and the second text line now reads "12345790"
(dropped the 6 and 8).
> 
> I get this to fail every time running the trial version 8.0p273 on two
different XP SP2 systems.
> 
>

> 
> Joyce wrote:
> 
> All -
> 
> I have noticed both the issues reported by John, and have another to
> add.
> 
> When I use the text tool to add a callout inside an anchored frame -
as
> I've done for years with previous versions of FrameMaker - the text
> changes. That is, random letters disappear. I've seen it happen
several
> times, even after saving. But if I place the callout inside a text
frame
> (inside the anchored frame), it's OK.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this "feature"?
> 
> Joyce
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Schweiner
> Hardware Engineering Writer
> Cray Inc.
> (715) 726-4801
> 
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Upgrade to Frame 8

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

One additional observation:

The previous line where you do the carriage return, has to be shorter
than the next line to see the problem.

I.e., "12345", , "1234567890" shows the problem, but "1234567890",
, "12345" does NOT.

Z

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> -Original Message-
> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:05 AM
> To: 'Jeff Schweiner'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Upgrade to Frame 8
> 
> I see the same problem ... quite repeatable. Characters get
"eliminated" from the text line following
> a carriage return (even later entries!).
> 
> 1. Doing a control-L before the save does NOT show any problems.
> 
> 2. Starting, saving a file, closing it, and then re-opening the file
(no control-L) shows the problem.
> 
> 3. A single line by itself ("1234567890") does NOT show problem.
> 
> Basically, to me, it appears that the act of entering a carriage
return at the end of a textline,
> entering a new line, and saving the file is causing the problem ...
> 
> Definitely a bug of some sort!!! Needs a fix.
> 
> Z
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Jeff Schweiner
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:49 AM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Upgrade to Frame 8
> >
> > Hi Joyce,
> >
> > I've also experienced this "feature" and have come across a
repeatable pattern of failure.
> > Can others try this and report back whether it fails for them also?
> >
> > I'm experiencing problems with dropped characters in text lines.
Also, I've noticed the history
> > doesn't seem to log all changes made to text lines. The problem can
be duplicated as follows:
> >
> > 1. Open a new portrait blank document and add an anchored frame.
(recorded in history)
> > 2. Add a text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools Palette.
In the text line, type "1234"
> > (recorded in history).
> > 3. Save the file. (history cleared)
> > 4. Click the cursor after the "4" in the text line and hit a
carriage return to create a new text
> > line. (not recorded in history)
> > 5. In the new text line, type "1234567890"(not recorded in history)
> > 6. Save the file.
> > 7. Refresh the screen (cntl l) and the second text line now reads
"12346890" (dropped the 5 and 7).
> > Printing the file in steps 5 and 6 also show the 5 and 7 are
missing.
> > 8. Add a new text line inside the anchored frame from the Tools
Palette. In the text line, type
> > "12345" (recorded in history).
> > 9. Save the file. (history cleared)
> > 10. Click the cursor after the "5" in the text line from step 8 and
hit a carriage return to create
> a
> > new text line. (not recorded in history)
> > 11. In the new text line, type "1234567890"(not recorded in history)
> > 12. Save the file.
> > 13. Refresh the screen and the second text line now reads "12345790"
(dropped the 6 and 8).
> >
> > I get this to fail every time running the trial version 8.0p273 on
two different XP SP2 systems.
> >
> >

> >
> > Joyce wrote:
> >
> > All -
> >
> > I have noticed both the issues reported by John, and have another to
> > add.
> >
> > When I use the text tool to add a callout inside an anchored frame -
as
> > I've done for years with previous versions of FrameMaker - the text
> > changes. That is, random letters disappear. I've seen it happen
several
> > times, even after saving. But if I place the callout inside a text
frame
> > (inside the anchored frame), it's OK.
> >
> > Has anyone else experienced this "feature"?
> >
> > Joyce
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Schweiner
> > Hardware Engineering Writer
> > Cray Inc.
> > (715) 726-4801
> >
> > ___
> >
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PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks

[Art Campbell]

Referenced graphic file would be pretty standard.

OLE isn't reliable, and copying the graphic in makes the files too large.

Art

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Carole Johnson
 wrote:
>
> How do you import them into FrameMaker?  Do you link or what!
>


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 DoD 358

extract changed texts

[Jim Owens]

Hello, Gunnar. We have a REXX script that processes MIF files to extract 
only the changebar text. We use it to get a rough word counts for 
translation. You're welcome to it if you don't find anything else.

To run the script you'd need to install a free REXX interpreter (I use 
Regina).

Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the 
> same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 
> 
> martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
>> Hi Gunnar,
>>
>> This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
>> powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.
>>
>> Using FrameScript you would would do the following:
>>
>> Loop for every chapter in a book:
>> --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
>> Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
>> If a change bar is detected:
>> Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document
>>
>> If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
>> are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
>> FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
>> (www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.
>>
>> If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
>> contact me off list.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Martin R. Smith
>> www.golehtek.com
>>
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extract changed texts

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Gunnar:

One approach that might work is to use File > Utilities > Document
Reports > Word Count to compare the changed documents to their
originals.

If the originals aren't available, another approach might be to use
Find/Replace to replace all change-bar-marked text with nothing, and
compare the word count after the replacement with the word count
before. For this method:

* Make copies before proceeding
* Turn off Format > Text Options > Change Bars > Create Automatic Change Bars
* Click the insertion pointer into blank space, then open Edit > Find.
Choose Find > Character Format (not Character Tag), turn ON Change
Bars (all others should be As Is or display a gray square in their
checkbox). Replace With should be empty (no space or other character).
Replace All.
* Compare the word count after this replacement with the word count before.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Error Window in Frame PC

[Art Campbell]

In File > Preferences > General, select Show File Translation Errors

You may need to reboot FM after you change this, but when you do, the
Console window should be available.

Art

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Scott White  wrote:
> Is there a setting to turn on that lets you see errors while importing
>  a file into framemaker on the PC? On the MAC I see a window pop up
>  when there is a problem importing a file, but on the PC I do not. I'm
>  trying to trouble shoot a file a client has forwarded me and would
>  like to see if I get the same errors as on the MAC.
>  I have show file translation errors on for both MAC and PC Framemaker
>  applications.
>  Thanks.
>
>  Scott White
>  Media Production Manager
>  Implementation Coordinator
>  210-704-8239
>  swhite at alamark.com
>
>




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 DoD 358

installing Frame 8

[Pete Rourke]

Mine came with 2 discs, I loaded the PDF Printer (from the 2nd)
Following the standard installation, it would be wise to do the updates (at
least 2) from the help menu before use.
Pete
Chandler, AZ

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:43 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: installing Frame 8

Hi Folks

I'm the first in our team who will install Frame 8 - so I'm the lucky 
guinea pig who will be testing our templates to see how they behave in 
the new version.

Although I've been keeping a record of bugs and problems reported on the 
list, I can't find anything about the actual installation (and 
FrameUsers is down at the moment).

So, are there any problems or gotchas I should be aware of before I 
install Frame 8?  I currently have Frame 6 and Acrobat 7 Pro installed.  
Will Frame 8 try to install a version of Acrobat (as happened with 
previous versions), and if so, can I cancel that so I don't lose my 
already installed Acrobat?

Any advice much appreciated.

Cheers

Dave

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[Peter Gold]

Hi, Dave:

Dave Reynolds  wrote:

>  Hi Folks
>
>  I'm the first in our team who will install Frame 8 - so I'm the lucky
>  guinea pig who will be testing our templates to see how they behave in
>  the new version.
>
>  Although I've been keeping a record of bugs and problems reported on the
>  list, I can't find anything about the actual installation (and
>  FrameUsers is down at the moment).
>
>  So, are there any problems or gotchas I should be aware of before I
>  install Frame 8?  I currently have Frame 6 and Acrobat 7 Pro installed.
>  Will Frame 8 try to install a version of Acrobat (as happened with
>  previous versions), and if so, can I cancel that so I don't lose my
>  already installed Acrobat?
>
>  Any advice much appreciated.

There have been issues related to FM8's UniCode support. One example I
recall is that some Acrobat Bookmarks are garbled by UniCode that
didn't appear in FM 7.x conversions does appear in FM8 conversions.

Whatever replies you get on this list shouldn't stop you from
searching the whole 'Net with Google or other tools.

Regards,

Peter
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PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks

[Art Campbell]

My expience has been both prone to corruption, and because it's in the
OS, able to crash the whole system, not just the application.

Embedding graphics by reference works with the linked application just
as OLE does --  a PDF opens in Acrobat, an AI or EPS in Illustrator, a
PSD in Photoshop, and so on. So you're not giving up any usability.
The reason that PDF was mentioned in this thread is because the
original thread was related to Solidworks, and you don't want to try
to fire that up to edit a file.

I don't think any particular graphic file naming convention is
necessary, other than a description of the content.

Cheers,
Art

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Boone Severson  wrote:
> Hello Art,
>
>  Can you clarify "reliable"? Prone to corruption, crashing, etc? After years 
> of using FrameMaker's internal drawing tool, we're going to adopt an external 
> diagramming tool. To keep the usability the same, we were going to use OLE.
>
>  I've seen the file size grow quite a bit (172k .fm7 file + 200k Visio file 
> turns into a 4.4 MB .fm7 file using OLE), but it's still the most user 
> friendly. If someone needs to update a drawing, they double-click and do it 
> right there.
>
>  For those that link in PDF conversions, what kind of filename conventions 
> are being used? Figure 6 isn't always going to be Figure 6, and due to some 
> refactoring that sub-section could be moved to another file in the book.
>
>  I guess the question is: If OLE has showstopping faults, what's the next 
> best thing for usability?
>
>  Thanks!
>  Boone
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:09 PM
>  To: Carole Johnson
>  Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>  Subject: Re: PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks
>
>
>
> Referenced graphic file would be pretty standard.
>
>  OLE isn't reliable, and copying the graphic in makes the files too large.
>
>  Art
>
>
>



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 DoD 358

extract changed texts

[Jim Owens]

REXX is a general-purpose interpretive scripting language developed by 
IBM. They bundled it with OS/2, which is where I picked it up. As 
scripting languages go, it's not bad. Some of the commands are difficult 
to remember (if you want to open a file, you CALL STREAM), the syntax is 
a bit finicky, there's no regexp support (not out of the box anyway), 
and although there are support groups and libraries out there, they're 
pretty thin on the ground compared to more mainstream scripting 
languages like Perl. But the documentation is good, and the language is 
flexible and powerful (and non-typed).

Regina is an open-source REXX interpreter for the Windows platform.

These days I use AutoIT for scripting. I have no experience with 
FrameScript, but if I had a copy I'd undoubtedly prefer it for FM work, 
if only to save myself from working with MIF.



Rene Stephenson wrote:
> Jim:
> I've never heard of REXX or Regina. Is it like FrameScript? as powerful? 
> limited to working only with FM?
>  
> */Rene L. Stephenson/*
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Jim Owens 
> To: Shmuel Wolfson 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 1:11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: extract changed texts
> 
> Hello, Gunnar. We have a REXX script that processes MIF files to extract
> only the changebar text. We use it to get a rough word counts for
> translation. You're welcome to it if you don't find anything else.
> 
> To run the script you'd need to install a free REXX interpreter (I use
> Regina).
> 
> Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>  > Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the
>  > same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Shmuel Wolfson
>  >
>  >
>  > martin.smith at golehtek.com  wrote:
>  >> Hi Gunnar,
>  >>
>  >> This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a 
>  >> powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.
>  >>
>  >> Using FrameScript you would would do the following:
>  >>
>  >> Loop for every chapter in a book:
>  >> --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
>  >> Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
>  >> If a change bar is detected:
>  >> Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document
>  >>
>  >> If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there 
>  >> are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of 
>  >> FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site 
>> > (www.golehtek.com ). I also develop custom 
> scripts for my clients.
>  >>
>  >> If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to 
>  >> contact me off list.
>  >>
>  >> Best regards,
>  >>
>  >> Martin
>  >>
>  >> Martin R. Smith
>> > www.golehtek.com 
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Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Hi, all.

In tables that do not "stretch" over the entire page width, table
footnotes do not stretch to the page width either. They wrap --- pretty
much at the right edge of the rightmost table column.

Is there a way to change this? I.e., have the table be relatively narrow
and yet have the table footnote go all the way across the page (or to
some other setting point)?

For some of my narrower tables, the table footnotes appear wrap too
"quickly" and take more vertical space than necessary. Yes, I could
shorten the footnotes a bit, but the purpose is useful and necessary in
my case.

Z

extract changed texts

[martin.sm...@golehtek.com]

The primary difference between FrameScript and other scripting  
languages is that FrameScript provides direct access to the internals  
of FrameMaker itself. FrameScript exposes the FrameMaker API (which  
you can also manipulate by downloading the Frame Developers Kit and  
programming in C).

FrameScript also allows you to extend FrameMaker by linking to OCX  
controls. FrameScript also provides direct access to relational  
database systems through ODBC. We make extensive use of the MSXML OCX  
control for XML parsing and have developed solutions for content reuse  
by encoding sections of FrameMaker documents in XML and uploading them  
to a relational database.

Best regards,

Martin

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installing Frame 8

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

I have to chime in here.

Am 02.04.2008 um 20:23 schrieb Peter Gold:
> There have been issues related to FM8's UniCode support.

Yes.

> One example I
> recall is that some Acrobat Bookmarks are garbled by UniCode that
> didn't appear in FM 7.x conversions does appear in FM8 conversions.


I do not really get what you mean exactly, but I cannot recall any  
problems with Acrobat bookmarks created from FM8 *unless* you compare  
it with non-Unicode hacks in previous versions.

In FM 7.x you could not (out of the box) have Cyrillic or Baltic or  
Greek headings appear correctly as bookmarks.

In FM 8 you can, as long as you use a Unicode font to create the  
Cyrillic, Baltic or Greek text.

- Michael

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Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Syed:

>  In tables that do not "stretch" over the entire page width, table
>  footnotes do not stretch to the page width either. They wrap --- pretty
>  much at the right edge of the rightmost table column.
>
>  Is there a way to change this? I.e., have the table be relatively narrow
>  and yet have the table footnote go all the way across the page (or to
>  some other setting point)?

You can imitate table footnotes:

* Change the table footnote paragraph format to white text, 2pt, no
space above/below, run-into paragraph. This makes them very small, all
on one line below the table.

* Delete or rename the Reference-page table footnote separator frame.
This eliminates space between the table and the tiny invisible
footnotes.

* Create a new paragraph format for your fake table footnotes.

* Create a new cross-reference format for your fake table footnotes,
with the building block <$paranumonly>.


Regards,

Peter
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Fwd: Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...

[Peter Gold]

Sent before complete
Hi, Syed:


 >  In tables that do not "stretch" over the entire page width, table
 >  footnotes do not stretch to the page width either. They wrap --- pretty
 >  much at the right edge of the rightmost table column.
 >
 >  Is there a way to change this? I.e., have the table be relatively narrow
 >  and yet have the table footnote go all the way across the page (or to
 >  some other setting point)?

 You can imitate table footnotes:

 * Change the table footnote paragraph format to white text, 2pt, no
 space above/below, run-into paragraph. This makes them very small, all
 on one line below the table.

 * Delete or rename the Reference-page table footnote separator frame.
 This eliminates space between the table and the tiny invisible
 footnotes.

 * Create a new paragraph format for your fake table footnotes.

 * Create a new cross-reference format for your fake table footnotes,
 with the building block <$paranumonly>. Precede it with a
character-format building block if you like, for example
<$paranumonly>.

It works like this:

* Create a table footnote in a cell. The footnote's reference symbol,
number, or letter appears at the insertion point. The actual footnote
symbol, number, or letter appears below the table, white and tiny -
almost invisible. Because its paragraph format is run-into, additional
table footnotes will appear on the same line, until there are so many
that they wrap to the next line.

* Below the invisible table footnote indicators, create a new blank
paragraph tagged with your new table footnote paragraph format.

* Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph in the table that has the
table footnote reference.

* The table footnote's reference symbol, number, or letter appears at
the beginning of the paragraph.

* Type the footnote text; it wraps at the right margin as expected,
independent of the table width.

NOTES:

* If you rearrange the order of the table footnote sources, or
add/delete table footnotes, you'll need to use Edit > Update
References All Cross-References to update the cross-references.

* If you insert new footnotes in cells before, or between others in
the table, you'll need to create their fake paragraphs at the
corresponding place in the footnote list that follows the table.

* Depending on your needs, you may want to create your fake table
footnotes in a text frame in an anchored frame you create below the
table.

You can find more about the principle involved here by reading the
topic "Inserting more than one reference to a footnote," in FM Help.

Please report back to this list about your progress and results.
Others on the list may have other suggestions, or improvements to add.

HTH

 Regards,

 Peter
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Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Thanks! I will give this a shot.

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhowpro at gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Gold
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:26 PM
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Fwd: Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...
> 
> Sent before complete
> Hi, Syed:
> 
> 
>  >  In tables that do not "stretch" over the entire page width, table
>  >  footnotes do not stretch to the page width either. They wrap --- pretty
>  >  much at the right edge of the rightmost table column.
>  >
>  >  Is there a way to change this? I.e., have the table be relatively narrow
>  >  and yet have the table footnote go all the way across the page (or to
>  >  some other setting point)?
> 
>  You can imitate table footnotes:
> 
>  * Change the table footnote paragraph format to white text, 2pt, no
>  space above/below, run-into paragraph. This makes them very small, all
>  on one line below the table.
> 
>  * Delete or rename the Reference-page table footnote separator frame.
>  This eliminates space between the table and the tiny invisible
>  footnotes.
> 
>  * Create a new paragraph format for your fake table footnotes.
> 
>  * Create a new cross-reference format for your fake table footnotes,
>  with the building block <$paranumonly>. Precede it with a
> character-format building block if you like, for example
> <$paranumonly>.
> 
> It works like this:
> 
> * Create a table footnote in a cell. The footnote's reference symbol,
> number, or letter appears at the insertion point. The actual footnote
> symbol, number, or letter appears below the table, white and tiny -
> almost invisible. Because its paragraph format is run-into, additional
> table footnotes will appear on the same line, until there are so many
> that they wrap to the next line.
> 
> * Below the invisible table footnote indicators, create a new blank
> paragraph tagged with your new table footnote paragraph format.
> 
> * Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph in the table that has the
> table footnote reference.
> 
> * The table footnote's reference symbol, number, or letter appears at
> the beginning of the paragraph.
> 
> * Type the footnote text; it wraps at the right margin as expected,
> independent of the table width.
> 
> NOTES:
> 
> * If you rearrange the order of the table footnote sources, or
> add/delete table footnotes, you'll need to use Edit > Update
> References All Cross-References to update the cross-references.
> 
> * If you insert new footnotes in cells before, or between others in
> the table, you'll need to create their fake paragraphs at the
> corresponding place in the footnote list that follows the table.
> 
> * Depending on your needs, you may want to create your fake table
> footnotes in a text frame in an anchored frame you create below the
> table.
> 
> You can find more about the principle involved here by reading the
> topic "Inserting more than one reference to a footnote," in FM Help.
> 
> Please report back to this list about your progress and results.
> Others on the list may have other suggestions, or improvements to add.

Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Hi, all.

I decided not to try this one from Peter, because I received another suggestion 
off-line that did exactly what I wanted. Since it was a private communication, 
I will not identify who it came from, but the idea was very easy to do (in my 
own words here):

Just add another column to the right of the table - extended
to the page column boundary - that does not show borders or
any fill pattern. Then the table width is effectively across
the whole page column width, and the footnote stretches out
to the page column size.

This worked very well for what I was trying to achieve!

Thanks,

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhowpro at gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Gold
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:26 PM
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Fwd: Stretching a table footnote to the column width ...
> 
> Sent before complete
> Hi, Syed:
> 
> 
>  >  In tables that do not "stretch" over the entire page width, table
>  >  footnotes do not stretch to the page width either. They wrap --- pretty
>  >  much at the right edge of the rightmost table column.
>  >
>  >  Is there a way to change this? I.e., have the table be relatively narrow
>  >  and yet have the table footnote go all the way across the page (or to
>  >  some other setting point)?
> 
>  You can imitate table footnotes:
> 
>  * Change the table footnote paragraph format to white text, 2pt, no
>  space above/below, run-into paragraph. This makes them very small, all
>  on one line below the table.
> 
>  * Delete or rename the Reference-page table footnote separator frame.
>  This eliminates space between the table and the tiny invisible
>  footnotes.
> 
>  * Create a new paragraph format for your fake table footnotes.
> 
>  * Create a new cross-reference format for your fake table footnotes,
>  with the building block <$paranumonly>. Precede it with a
> character-format building block if you like, for example
> <$paranumonly>.
> 
> It works like this:
> 
> * Create a table footnote in a cell. The footnote's reference symbol,
> number, or letter appears at the insertion point. The actual footnote
> symbol, number, or letter appears below the table, white and tiny -
> almost invisible. Because its paragraph format is run-into, additional
> table footnotes will appear on the same line, until there are so many
> that they wrap to the next line.
> 
> * Below the invisible table footnote indicators, create a new blank
> paragraph tagged with your new table footnote paragraph format.
> 
> * Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph in the table that has the
> table footnote reference.
> 
> * The table footnote's reference symbol, number, or letter appears at
> the beginning of the paragraph.
> 
> * Type the footnote text; it wraps at the right margin as expected,
> independent of the table width.
> 
> NOTES:
> 
> * If you rearrange the order of the table footnote sources, or
> add/delete table footnotes, you'll need to use Edit > Update
> References All Cross-References to update the cross-references.
> 
> * If you insert new footnotes in cells before, or between others in
> the table, you'll need to create their fake paragraphs at the
> corresponding place in the footnote list that follows the table.
> 
> * Depending on your needs, you may want to create your fake table
> footnotes in a text frame in an anchored frame you create below the
> table.
> 
> You can find more about the principle involved here by reading the
> topic "Inserting more than one reference to a footnote," in FM Help.
> 
> Please report back to this list about your progress and results.
> Others on the list may have other suggestions, or improvements to add.
> 
> HTH
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Peter
>  ___
>  Peter Gold
>  KnowHow ProServices
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> p...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter
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> KnowHow ProServices

PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks

[Combs, Richard]

Boone Severson had some questions for Art:
> > Hello Art,
> >
> >  Can you clarify "reliable"? Prone to corruption, crashing, 
> etc? After years of using FrameMaker's internal drawing tool, 
> we're going to adopt an external diagramming tool. To keep 
> the usability the same, we were going to use OLE.

I've used OLE successfully in docs that only contain one or two Visio
drawings. I'd never use it in docs that contain many. 

> >  I've seen the file size grow quite a bit (172k .fm7 file + 
> 200k Visio file turns into a 4.4 MB .fm7 file using OLE), but 
> it's still the most user friendly. If someone needs to update 
> a drawing, they double-click and do it right there.

So that saves you Alt-Tabbing to your file manager, drilling down a
level to the book's graphics folder, and double-clicking the Visio
source file -- maybe seven seconds? That little bit of convenience isn't
worth the corruption/crash risk, massive file bloat, and slowing of the
system, IMHO.

> >  For those that link in PDF conversions, what kind of 
> filename conventions are being used? Figure 6 isn't always 
> going to be Figure 6, and due to some refactoring that 
> sub-section could be moved to another file in the book.

Filename conventions? My PDFs have the same name as the Visio file from
which they're created, but with a .pdf extension. You do have Visio
files from which you create your linked OLE objects, don't you? (If not
-- if the drawing only exists as an embedded, not linked, object in the
FM file, you're _really_ living on the edge.) 

There are probably only slightly fewer graphics file naming conventions
than tech writers. I'm sure some work better than others, but any one of
them is better than not having your graphics source files at all.

> >  I guess the question is: If OLE has showstopping faults, 
> what's the next best thing for usability?

For Visio drawings, a PDF workflow works wonderfully for me. It's
rock-solid, and the FM file size is unchanged. 

Visio itself is great. If you have it installed when you install
Acrobat, the latter puts its PDFMaker plugin into Visio just like it
does into Word or Excel. So creating a PDF is as easy as clicking a
toolbar button. 

Visio files can contain multiple drawing pages, and PDFMaker will
dutifully produce multi-page PDFs from them. When you import a
multi-page PDF into FM (File > Import > File, By Reference), FM lets you
pick a page (by scrolling or entering a page number) and even shows you
a thumbnail. 

I have some Visio files that contain 20 or 30 call flow diagrams each.
Their page size is 6 x 8.5", so they fit nicely in my FM page layout,
one per page with a figure caption above. The initial import of the PDF
pages went quite quickly, really, and updates are cake. 

The steps in updating a drawing are: (1) open the Visio file; (2) edit
and save it; (3) make PDF. Since they're imported by reference, whenever
the PDF changes, the FM file is updated automatically. 

For any workflow using files imported by reference, you need at least
minimal file management skills and discipline -- everything's not in one
file, so you have to keep track of the pieces and not break the links.
But at its simplest, that just means creating a graphics subdirectory
for each FM book directory and putting all the book's referenced
graphics in it. Not exactly rocket science. :-)

HTH! 
Richard 


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PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks

[Carole Johnson]

How do you import them into FrameMaker?  Do you link or what!




"Art Campbell"  
Sent by: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
03/11/2008 03:47 PM

To
"Linda G. Gallagher" 
cc
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject
Re: PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks






I just ended a year-long gig that included this, and the workflow we
developed was:
1. Get the free Solidworks viewer application. (There's a free
explorer tool that's also useful.)
2. From the Viewer, print the Solidworks file to an Acrobat printer
instance to create a PDF using the appropriate job options (high
quality print, press quality) .
3. When the PDF opens in Acrobat, optimize the file, but go easy on
the compression and downsampling. This is the key task to reduce the
file size & bloat. I don't think it would work as well on a PDF
produced directly from
4. Import into FM.

I don't have any idea if Acrobat 6 is up to the task. We used 7 pro,
and migrated to 8 pro and then 8 3D. So that would be the component
I'd upgrade.

Art


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Linda G. Gallagher
 wrote:
> Framers,
>
>  FM 7.0
>  Acrobat 6.0
>  Win XP
>
>  I appreciated all the help a couple of weeks ago on text insets and
>  scripting. Now I have new questions related to a new client that is 
using
>  SolidWorks CAD to create graphics for me to use in FM.
>
>  So far I've tried importing graphics saved from SolidWorks as .tif at 
50 dpi
>  (was the default) and 600 dpi. Neither looked good after I created a 
PDF
>  from the FM file. I've asked him to save at 150 and 300 dpi, but don't 
have
>  those yet.
>
>  My client also sent me a PDF of the graphic. When I imported that into 
FM
>  and created a PDF, the graphic looked great, but it took 8 minutes to 
create
>  the .ps file of just the one page with the one graphic and the 
resulting .ps
>  file was more than 55 MB. I envision having lots of graphics in this
>  document, so I don't think the PDF format is going to work that well.
>
>  Here are my specific questions.
>
>  - Is it common when using PDF files for graphics for the writing to .ps
>  process to take so long and for the resulting .ps file to be so huge?
>
>  - Anyone have experience getting graphics from SolidWorks? I'm told the
>  graphic formats it can produce are .tif, .PDF, .jpg, and .dwg.
>
>  Thanks for any advice you can offer.
>
>  ~
>  Linda G. Gallagher
>  TechCom Plus, LLC
>  lindag at techcomplus dot com
>  www.techcomplus.com
>  303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
>  User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
>  WebWorks ePublisher templates
>  
>
>
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PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks

[Boone Severson]

Hello Art,

Can you clarify "reliable"? Prone to corruption, crashing, etc? After years of 
using FrameMaker's internal drawing tool, we're going to adopt an external 
diagramming tool. To keep the usability the same, we were going to use OLE.

I've seen the file size grow quite a bit (172k .fm7 file + 200k Visio file 
turns into a 4.4 MB .fm7 file using OLE), but it's still the most user 
friendly. If someone needs to update a drawing, they double-click and do it 
right there.

For those that link in PDF conversions, what kind of filename conventions are 
being used? Figure 6 isn't always going to be Figure 6, and due to some 
refactoring that sub-section could be moved to another file in the book.

I guess the question is: If OLE has showstopping faults, what's the next best 
thing for usability?

Thanks!
Boone

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:09 PM
To: Carole Johnson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDFs as graphics and graphics out of SolidWorks

Referenced graphic file would be pretty standard.

OLE isn't reliable, and copying the graphic in makes the files too large.

Art