Funny story

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hey all:

I am currently attending a three-day FrameMaker workshop.  Here's the
setup -- we all have our own computer, and next to our computer is a
screen showing the instructor's computer screen.  So, the instructor
was researching a question, and he said, ok, here is the answer, and
I look up and there's my name on this screen.  He was accessing our
FrameMaker database and had one of my emails on the screen! (how to
rotate a text box)

So any way, I thought it was super funny that I'm taking the class and
I show up in one of the answers.

Here's what I'm learning:  1) I know a lot more than I thought I knew,
and 2) I don't know anything.

Have a good week, fine FrameMaker friends!  I will be back next week
with LOADS more questions.

Deirdre
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RE: Funny story

[Kelly McDaniel]

You sound as if you are having entirely too much fun. Remember, it's a
Framemaker workshop...Kelly.

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Reagan
 Sent: 2008-06-10 10:48
 To: Frame Users
 Subject: Funny story
 
 Hey all:
 
 I am currently attending a three-day FrameMaker workshop.  Here's the
 setup -- we all have our own computer, and next to our computer is a
 screen showing the instructor's computer screen.  So, the instructor
 was researching a question, and he said, ok, here is the answer, and
 I look up and there's my name on this screen.  He was accessing our
 FrameMaker database and had one of my emails on the screen! (how to
 rotate a text box)
 
 So any way, I thought it was super funny that I'm taking the class and
 I show up in one of the answers.
 
 Here's what I'm learning:  1) I know a lot more than I thought I knew,
 and 2) I don't know anything.
 
 Have a good week, fine FrameMaker friends!  I will be back next week
 with LOADS more questions.
 
 Deirdre
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Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

 

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Linda G. Gallagher]

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to None. 


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

 

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

 

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Combs, Richard]

Sam Beard wrote:
 
 Linda,
 
That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
 text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the
case
 may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
 text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a
graphic
 placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
 in what you've said?

I'm pretty certain Linda is right. If the Runaround Properties setting
of a graphic frame (not an anchored frame; those have no runaround
setting) is Contour or Bounding Box, then it will repel text,
regardless of what text frame or flow that text is in. That sounds like
what you've described. 

Did you try setting the graphic frame to Don't Run Around, or just
decide Linda must be wrong without testing it? 

Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm quite
certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem throughout
an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


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-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

 

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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Esc m p

[Kelly McDaniel]

Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves the
anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed from
At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.

 

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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite
certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout
an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

 

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Richard,

   I just responded to Linda's second post, saying that I misunderstood
her and tried to change the properties on the anchored frame, versus on
the graphic itself. After clicking on the graphic and selecting
Runaround Properties and changing it to Don't Run Around, the problem
seems resolved! So, much appreciation to Linda for solving this for me!

Thanks for the response, Richard!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:38 PM
To: Sam Beard; Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Sam Beard wrote:
 
 Linda,
 
That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
 text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the
case
 may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
 text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a
graphic
 placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
 in what you've said?

I'm pretty certain Linda is right. If the Runaround Properties setting
of a graphic frame (not an anchored frame; those have no runaround
setting) is Contour or Bounding Box, then it will repel text,
regardless of what text frame or flow that text is in. That sounds like
what you've described. 

Did you try setting the graphic frame to Don't Run Around, or just
decide Linda must be wrong without testing it? 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Owen, Clint]

It might not be relevant in your situation, but you don't really need a
text frame to add callouts on top of a graphic. Just use the text tool
on the graphics toolbar. You can change the font, size, and color as
necessary. You can also add arrows and simple shapes.

Clint 


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
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-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

 

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

Re: Esc m p

[Art Campbell]

Do a quick google for shrinkwrapasis plugin -- and try it out --
it's available on several sites.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves the
 anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed from
 At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.



 Kelly M. McDaniel

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Converting fm files to xml

[Daniel Osborn]

Dear Framers,

I am trying to save lots of .fm files as .xml in FM 7.2.

I've written an application and when I save a single .fm file as .xml it works 
fine.

When I use the Utility: File  Utilities  Convert structured documents, 
something goes wrong.

The conversion runs fine but the 'href' attribute for the images is not 
included in the output files.

My rules file includes the line: 
   attribute href is fm property file;

And, as I say, when I save an individual file as xml it's fine, so it looks 
like a bug.

Does anyone have any ideas how to fix or workaround this?

Thanks,
Daniel


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Large FM doc set with many, many nested and/or multiple conditions

[Ron Van de crommert]

I've recently inherited a doc set that uses 50 conditions, most of which are 
nested and/or multiple. The previous writer thought this was the best way to 
support 30 developers and 26 guides. I'm finding that this method is seriously 
prone to error as evidenced by text for guide A displaying in guide B, broken 
cross-references, etc. What is the highest number of FrameMaker conditions that 
you have personally used in an authoring set? Do you have any data that 
suggests a limit to FrameMaker conditions?  I'd like to rework everything into 
perhaps 5 conditions and output fewer guides, w/ callouts, but I'm getting 
resistance from dev that I'm shortchanging users. I'm hopeful that your help 
will help me to point out the craziness of the current setup. Theoretically, it 
makes sense, but the practical application of such a set up is dizzying. 

Thanks!
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RE: Esc m p

[Kelly McDaniel]

Found it. Works great!...tnx, Kelly.

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2008-06-10 12:46
 To: Kelly McDaniel
 Cc: Frame Users
 Subject: Re: Esc m p
 
 Do a quick google for shrinkwrapasis plugin -- and try it out --
 it's available on several sites.
 
 Art
 
 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves
the
  anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed
from
  At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.
 
 
 
  Kelly M. McDaniel
 
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RE: [BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Clint,

   Thanks for that. Yes, I'm aware that text lines would also work, but
they wouldn't work quite as well in this case. For one thing, the
callouts are text instead of a simply a number/letter that's defined
elsewhere. Secondly, the callouts have more than a single line, which is
where the text tool seems to work best. Thirdly, I also need to apply a
paragraph style to the callouts, which is not available as a text line.
Conceivably, I could also reformat the text to match the format of the
other callouts, which is what I was going to try if I didn't get a fix
to the problem otherwise. 

Thanks much for the response and suggestion!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:42 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic
Importance: Low

It might not be relevant in your situation, but you don't really need a
text frame to add callouts on top of a graphic. Just use the text tool
on the graphics toolbar. You can change the font, size, and color as
necessary. You can also add arrows and simple shapes.

Clint 


Clint Owen 
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace  Electronics 
425-743-8674


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the

RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Pinkham, Jim]

True, but the text-frame approach gives you more control over the
formatting of all of your callouts. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:42 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

It might not be relevant in your situation, but you don't really need a
text frame to add callouts on top of a graphic. Just use the text tool
on the graphics toolbar. You can change the font, size, and color as
necessary. You can also add arrows and simple shapes.

Clint 


Clint Owen
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace  Electronics
425-743-8674


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text 

Re: Esc m p

[Rene Stephenson]

Huh. This Esc m p feature doesn't cause the anchored frame to change to At 
Insertion Point in my FM7.2 on XP SP2, and I do not have ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll.  
Does Bruce Foster's ImpGraph.dll fix the Esc m p problem, too?

 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kelly McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Frame Users framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:46:21 PM
Subject: Re: Esc m p

Do a quick google for shrinkwrapasis plugin -- and try it out --
it's available on several sites.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves the
 anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed from
 At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.



 Kelly M. McDaniel

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RE: Esc m p

[Kelly McDaniel]

Don't know.  Art?

Art for art's sake.

 



From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 2008-06-10 14:30
To: Art Campbell; Kelly McDaniel
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Esc m p

 

Huh. This Esc m p feature doesn't cause the anchored frame to change
to At Insertion Point in my FM7.2 on XP SP2, and I do not have
ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll.  Does Bruce Foster's ImpGraph.dll fix the Esc m p
problem, too?

 

Rene L. Stephenson

 

- Original Message 
From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kelly McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Frame Users framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:46:21 PM
Subject: Re: Esc m p

Do a quick google for shrinkwrapasis plugin -- and try it out --
it's available on several sites.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves
the
 anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed
from
 At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.



 Kelly M. McDaniel

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Re: Esc m p

[Art Campbell]

I suppose that doesn't happen on Rene's system because he's changed
his configuration somehow, Kelly, but no way of knowing long distance.
If he has another .dll in place that manages graphic imports... that
could certainly be it, but unless you got Bruce's .dll and tested some
I don't know how you could tell which is doing what.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Kelly McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Don't know.  Art?

 Art for art's sake.



 

 From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2008-06-10 14:30
 To: Art Campbell; Kelly McDaniel
 Cc: Frame Users
 Subject: Re: Esc m p



 Huh. This Esc m p feature doesn't cause the anchored frame to change to At
 Insertion Point in my FM7.2 on XP SP2, and I do not have
 ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll.  Does Bruce Foster's ImpGraph.dll fix the Esc m p
 problem, too?



 Rene L. Stephenson



 - Original Message 
 From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Kelly McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Frame Users framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:46:21 PM
 Subject: Re: Esc m p

 Do a quick google for shrinkwrapasis plugin -- and try it out --
 it's available on several sites.

 Art

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves the
 anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed from
 At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.



 Kelly M. McDaniel

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Re: Esc m p

[Stuart Rogers]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
 Huh. This Esc m p feature doesn't cause the anchored frame to
 change to At Insertion Point in my FM7.2 on XP SP2, and I do not have
 ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll.  Does Bruce Foster's ImpGraph.dll fix the Esc m p
 problem, too?
 

Yes.

ImpGraph is a shareware plugin for FrameMaker that lets you specify the 
default settings for the anchored frame created when you import a 
graphic and for the scale and runaround settings for an imported 
graphic. ImpGraph also includes a Graphics  Shrinkwrap command that is 
an enhanced version of the native FrameMaker Esc m p command. For the 
anchored frame, all settings allowed in the Anchored Frame dialog are 
supported. In addition, you can choose between two ways to size the 
frame: setting the width and height dimensions or shrinkwrapping the 
frame to fit the imported graphic. The ImpGraph enhanced Shrinkwrap 
command lets you specify the margin between the graphic and frame, 
leaves the anchor position for the parent frame unchanged, and can 
shrinkwrap multiple graphic objects in a single frame.

http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/ImpGraph.htm

-- 
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Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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Lucy: Charlie Brown, life is like a deck chair on a cruise ship.
Passengers open up these canvas deck chairs so they can sit in the sun.
Some people place their chairs facing the rear of the ship so they can
see where they've been. Other people face their chairs forward -- they
want to see where they're going. On the cruise ship of life, which way
is your deck chair facing?

Charlie Brown: I've never been able to get one unfolded.

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OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Dave Reynolds]

Hi

Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be able to 
help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has bought an 
educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp files.  
Because she wants to import photos taken on a digital camera, she needs 
to convert them from jpg to bmp.  Can anyone recommend some 
freeware/shareware viewer/converter program that will allow her to do 
this conversion on her Mac laptop.  I know there are many programs like 
this for a PC (XnView, IrfanView, etc), but I'm a bit lost in the Mac 
world.  I did find a Mac version of XnView, but it's a beta and doesn't 
support file conversion yet.

Thanks

Dave

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MS Word vs. Frame

[Angela Akridge]

Hi,

Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text insets?
Conditional text?

I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget. I've
been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals in MS
Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.

They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an ongoing
basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases. Let me
get to the point.

I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which to
choose, given the circumstances!

Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself or
the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the Project
Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less highly
unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where there are
limited resources.

They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know anything
about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit writers when the
source is in Frame, or so I've noticed.

Angela
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Turn on track edits in all files in book?

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Framers,

This is my first try at using the new track edits feature in FM 8. Maybe you
can't do it, but is there a way to turn it on in all files in a book? Seems
awfully tedious to do in every file.

Thanks!

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RE: MS Word vs. Frame

[John Sgammato]

You're asking a biased audience here... 
IMO if they want a quality product then they should use the right tool
for the job. If their docs are in MS Word without styles, then I would
dispute the assertion that they know how to use MS Word.
With FM, Acrobat, and Mif2Go you can generate printed docs, online docs,
online help, and output to MS Word so the PM can update the docs between
releases. 
Ymmv, etc, etc
john


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Akridge
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:07 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: MS Word vs. Frame

Hi,

Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text
insets?
Conditional text?

I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget.
I've been tasked to create their online help. They currently have
manuals in MS Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.

They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an
ongoing basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance
releases. Let me get to the point.

I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which
to choose, given the circumstances!

Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself
or the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the
Project Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less
highly unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where
there are limited resources.

They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know
anything about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit
writers when the source is in Frame, or so I've noticed.

Angela
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RE: free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Sam Beard]

Dave,

   First thing we need to know is what version of Mac OS is she using.
Also, you might be able to use something in the software that comes with
the digital camera she's using. Not knowing this info, I can't say for
sure. I'm not on a Mac here at work, but I have one at home. It's
possible that Preview, software that allows for viewing PDF files and
other file types, as well, and is included with Macs using Mac OS X,
might be able to do what you're talking about. 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:04 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac

Hi

Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be able to 
help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has bought an

educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp files.

Because she wants to import photos taken on a digital camera, she needs 
to convert them from jpg to bmp.  Can anyone recommend some 
freeware/shareware viewer/converter program that will allow her to do 
this conversion on her Mac laptop.  I know there are many programs like 
this for a PC (XnView, IrfanView, etc), but I'm a bit lost in the Mac 
world.  I did find a Mac version of XnView, but it's a beta and doesn't 
support file conversion yet.

Thanks

Dave

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Re: MS Word vs. Frame

[Alan Litchfield]

I would suggest looking through this page's references
http://members.shaw.ca/philip.sharman/fm_v_wd.html

Alan

Angela Akridge wrote:
 Hi,

 Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text insets?
 Conditional text?

 I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget. I've
 been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals in MS
 Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.

 They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
 There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an ongoing
 basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases. Let me
 get to the point.

 I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which to
 choose, given the circumstances!

 Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself or
 the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the Project
 Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less highly
 unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where there are
 limited resources.

 They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know anything
 about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit writers when the
 source is in Frame, or so I've noticed.

 Angela
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Re: OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Alan Litchfield]

Dave,

Graphic Convertor is good for this kind of thing, and chances are that her
educational district may have an educational license for it. But it is demo'd
at http://www.lemkesoft.com/

Preview saves images as BMP, plus many others.

Alan

Dave Reynolds wrote:
 Hi

 Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be able to
 help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has bought an
 educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp files.
 Because she wants to import photos taken on a digital camera, she needs
 to convert them from jpg to bmp.  Can anyone recommend some
 freeware/shareware viewer/converter program that will allow her to do
 this conversion on her Mac laptop.  I know there are many programs like
 this for a PC (XnView, IrfanView, etc), but I'm a bit lost in the Mac
 world.  I did find a Mac version of XnView, but it's a beta and doesn't
 support file conversion yet.

 Thanks

 Dave

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Re: MS Word vs. Frame

[Art Campbell]

I'd agree with John...
You're in the right position to put them on the right track, for a
not-too-big investment. But if the argument is that they don't have
the time or cash to do it right the first time, you may want to look
elsewhere for a better opportunity. If they don't get started
professionally now, it's going to cost them more in time and money
further down the line.

***
And the single largest thing that I think you'd be giving up is the
ability to set and manage style for the entire doc set / help set from
book files.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:14 PM, John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You're asking a biased audience here...
 IMO if they want a quality product then they should use the right tool
 for the job. If their docs are in MS Word without styles, then I would
 dispute the assertion that they know how to use MS Word.
 With FM, Acrobat, and Mif2Go you can generate printed docs, online docs,
 online help, and output to MS Word so the PM can update the docs between
 releases.
 Ymmv, etc, etc
 john


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela
 Akridge
 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:07 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: MS Word vs. Frame

 Hi,

 Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text
 insets?
 Conditional text?

 I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget.
 I've been tasked to create their online help. They currently have
 manuals in MS Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.

 They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
 There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an
 ongoing basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance
 releases. Let me get to the point.

 I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which
 to choose, given the circumstances!

 Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself
 or the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the
 Project Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less
 highly unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where
 there are limited resources.

 They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know
 anything about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit
 writers when the source is in Frame, or so I've noticed.

 Angela
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RE: MS Word vs. Frame

[Combs, Richard]

Angela Akridge wrote:
 
 I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget.
I've
 been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals
in MS
 Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.
 
 They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
 There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an
ongoing
 basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases. Let
me
 get to the point.
 
 I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know
which to
 choose, given the circumstances!

I have to go against my fellow list-members (and my own preferences) on
this one. As John noted, they apparently don't _really_ know how to use
Word -- and thus will likely mess things up when they do the minor
updates. OTOH, learning FM is non-trivial, and if they don't use styles
in Word, they're likely to mess up FM docs, too, even after some
training. At the least, you'd have to modify the interface to disable ad
hoc formatting controls as much as possible.

And with either FM or Word, you still have to pick a help tool. For FM,
Mif2Go is inexpensive, and once you set it up, they can just turn the
crank to regenerate their output. But things will break when they
redefine formats, use overrides left and right, etc. For Word,
Doc-To-Help would be a good choice. But it's been a few years since I've
used it, and I can't say how well it would handle Word files maintained
by the less-than-skilled.

In any case, a small startup with not much money or time -- it's asking
a lot to have them learn either FM or the _right_ way to use Word, plus
the help conversion tool, and the disciplined approach needed to keep it
all working properly update after update.

If the primary deliverable is online help, you may want to consider a
lighter-weight, easier-to-learn help authoring tool like Help  Manual. 

Check out www.hat-matrix.com for info on various help authoring tools. 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Turn on track edits in all files in book?

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Oh, great. I'll check it out. I do have FrameScript.

Thanks! 


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From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:16 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Turn on track edits in all files in book?

This question just cropped up on the Adobe user forum, and one guy
posted a bit of FrameScript code that does this...
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b4b854?14  If you have,
FrameScript.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Linda G. Gallagher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Framers,

 This is my first try at using the new track edits feature in FM 8. Maybe
you
 can't do it, but is there a way to turn it on in all files in a book?
Seems
 awfully tedious to do in every file.

 Thanks!

 ~
 Linda G. Gallagher
 TechCom Plus, LLC
 lindag at techcomplus dot com
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Re: OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Paul Findon]

On 10 Jun 2008, at 22:04, Dave Reynolds wrote:

 Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be  
 able to
 help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has  
 bought an
 educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp  
 files.

As Alan says, Preview (free Mac OS X app) can save as BMP.

If your wife has many photos to convert, Automator includes a Preview  
action for converting image formats. Just tried it - works a treat,  
and much quicker than writing an AppleScript.

Paul

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Re: MS Word vs. Frame

[Alan Litchfield]

OK, but that was in 2001. Ah well life on the web.

Anyway, links that work (Googled word vs framemaker):

www.freeframers.org/inframe/archive/files/vol1/1-2/wordvsfm2.pdf
http://www.front-runner.com/pages/support/files/fm_vs_w_ar.pdf
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Adobe-Framemaker-1523/Word-Vs-Framemaker.htm
http://ezinearticles.com/?FrameMaker-versus-Wordid=369780
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/demo.html
www.bwa.org/notes/The%20Great%20Word%20vs%20Frame%20Debate.ppt

Plus many more...

Alan

On 11/06/2008, at 9:58 AM, Angela Akridge wrote:


 Most of the links don't work. :(

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Alan Litchfield  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would suggest looking through this page's references
 http://members.shaw.ca/philip.sharman/fm_v_wd.html

 Alan

 Angela Akridge wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text  
 insets?
  Conditional text?
 
  I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited  
 budget. I've
  been tasked to create their online help. They currently have  
 manuals in MS
  Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.
 
  They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this  
 time.
  There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on  
 an ongoing
  basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases.  
 Let me
  get to the point.
 
  I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know  
 which to
  choose, given the circumstances!
 
  Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want  
 myself or
  the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that  
 the Project
  Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less highly
  unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where  
 there are
  limited resources.
 
  They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know  
 anything
  about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit  
 writers when the
  source is in Frame, or so I've noticed.
 
  Angela
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RE: MS Word vs. Frame

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Ang,

You're kidding me, right?  You are actually considering Word instead of FM?

We use both here, but are working away from Word, manual by manual.  The
Word templates were created from my FM templates.  I converted FM to Word
with Mif2Go.  Yay Jeremy!

Just my 2c worth, but if there are no styles in their Word docs, I don't
think they really know how to use Word.  And I expect that they know much
about manuals either. I srongly encourage you to take the lead here and get
them on the right path.  They will luv ya in the long run.

Sure, Word sounds like the easy way at the moment, but trust me, not in the
long run. And I think the company will happier with FM too.  BTW, if you
need something to convince them, I have lots of Word vs FM comparison docs
that I've either written or collected over the last 10 years or so.  Let me
know if you need them.

Why does the project manager need to learn FM?  To comment on your docs?
No, Word is not the way.  Buy FM8 and Acrobat 8 Pro.  Get the free Acrobat 8
reader for them.  With Acrobat8 Pro, you can create PDFs that they can
commment in, highlight, edit, and more, just like they can with Word.  And
you can keep right on using FM.  BTW, if you are worried about converting
the Word docs to FM, don't.  FM8 has a great new filter that really does
convert Word docs into FM, tables and graphics and everything.  I use it all
the time.  No, not the RTF filter.  It's called Microsoft Word 7.  Sure
beats those old Mastersoft filters that Frame Technology bought to make the
sale of FM to Adobe.

If I understand your message, you will be creating both docs and online
help.  If that is the case, don't by FM and don't buy Acrobat.  Yes, I am
serious.  Don't buy them.

Huh?  What?  Don't buy FM and Acrobat?

No, don't buy them.  That is, not separately.

Instead, buy the new Adobe Techinical Communications Suite. It includes a
linked version of FM8 and Robo7, plus Acrobat NINE Pro extended (yep, 9),
and a really neat tool called Captivate.  We just bought it for several of
us and let me tell you it is fan-tastic.  We are saving lots of time and
work.  You can author in FM and convert the manual to Robo online HTML help.
TOC, index, glossary, everything.  It depends on how you set it up.  You use
conditional text in FM to set up what goes in the help an what doesn't.  You
set up the tag mapping from FM to Robo (it's easy, nothing like WWP was), do
a couple more easy setup things, hit the convert button, and presto, online
help. You can also author in Robo and import back to FM if you want, but I'd
recommend setting it up as author in FM, print docs from FM, import by
reference into Robo.

Captivate is amazing.  3D interactive graphics in a PDF file.  Live
installation demos with almost no instructions to write.  No special
viewers, just Acrobat Reader 7 or 8.  Who'd have ever thought you could do
this?  You run a GUI and record your actions.  Users can play it back as a
demo or walk themselves through it, with popup instructions guiding them
along if you want.  I'll send you a demo file I created offline 'cause the
list strips attachments.  It is really cool.

Microsoft, eat your heart out. :-)

Gee, do I sound like I'm selling it or something?  Well, that wasn't my
intent, but I gotta tellya, these toys are really fun to play with, and the
big bosses are already taking notice of what we are doing.

BTW, thank you Matt Sullivan, wheever you are.  That was a great TCS class.
We'll be hitting you with questions pretty soon.

Cheers,

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems
Santa Clara, CA

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Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:07 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: MS Word vs. Frame


Hi,

Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text insets?
Conditional text?

I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget. I've
been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals in MS
Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.

They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an ongoing
basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases. Let me
get to the point.

I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which to
choose, given the circumstances!

Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself or
the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the Project
Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less highly
unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where there are
limited resources.

They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know anything
about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit writers when the
source is in Frame, or so I've noticed.

Angela

[OT] RH 7 questions

[Neeraj Jain]

Sorry for asking the RH 7 question on the FM list. But I am caught in a 
terrible situation. I have a Word document with multiple sections. There are 
multiple headers and footers. This Word document also has screenshots. Now when 
I import this document into RH7, all screenshots (images) fail to appear. When 
I remove all the section breaks and then import the doc again, the screenshots 
appear again. I desperately want different headers and footers in my Word doc. 
I do not want to remove them because I also need to create the pdf. This 
strange behavior of RH 7 is confusing me a lot.

Can anyone please help me find a solution asap? Thanks in advance.

 


Your smile could be infectious; just give it a try.
Regards, 
N. Jain 


  
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Funny story

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hey all:

I am currently attending a three-day FrameMaker workshop.  Here's the
setup -- we all have our own computer, and next to our computer is a
screen showing the instructor's computer screen.  So, the instructor
was researching a question, and he said, "ok, here is the answer," and
I look up and there's my name on this screen.  He was accessing our
FrameMaker database and had one of my emails on the screen! (how to
rotate a text box)

So any way, I thought it was super funny that I'm taking the class and
I show up in one of the answers.

Here's what I'm learning:  1) I know a lot more than I thought I knew,
and 2) I don't know anything.

Have a good week, fine FrameMaker friends!  I will be back next week
with LOADS more questions.

Deirdre

Funny story

[Kelly McDaniel]

You sound as if you are having entirely too much fun. Remember, it's a
Framemaker workshop...Kelly.

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Reagan
> Sent: 2008-06-10 10:48
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: Funny story
> 
> Hey all:
> 
> I am currently attending a three-day FrameMaker workshop.  Here's the
> setup -- we all have our own computer, and next to our computer is a
> screen showing the instructor's computer screen.  So, the instructor
> was researching a question, and he said, "ok, here is the answer," and
> I look up and there's my name on this screen.  He was accessing our
> FrameMaker database and had one of my emails on the screen! (how to
> rotate a text box)
> 
> So any way, I thought it was super funny that I'm taking the class and
> I show up in one of the answers.
> 
> Here's what I'm learning:  1) I know a lot more than I thought I knew,
> and 2) I don't know anything.
> 
> Have a good week, fine FrameMaker friends!  I will be back next week
> with LOADS more questions.
> 
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Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.



   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 



Thanks in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

Text Frames on Graphic

[Linda G. Gallagher]

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to None. 


~
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User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.



   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 



Thanks in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.



   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 



Thanks in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Text Frames on Graphic

[Combs, Richard]

Sam Beard wrote:

> Linda,
> 
>That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
> text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the
case
> may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
> text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a
graphic
> placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
> in what you've said?

I'm pretty certain Linda is right. If the Runaround Properties setting
of a graphic frame (not an anchored frame; those have no runaround
setting) is Contour or Bounding Box, then it will "repel" text,
regardless of what text frame or flow that text is in. That sounds like
what you've described. 

Did you try setting the graphic frame to Don't Run Around, or just
decide Linda must be wrong without testing it? 

Richard


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Text Frames on Graphic

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm quite
certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem throughout
an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
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-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:sbe...@oico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.



   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 



Thanks in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Esc m p

[Kelly McDaniel]

Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves the
anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed from
At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.



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Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite
certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout
an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
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WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:sbe...@oico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.



   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 



Thanks in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Richard,

   I just responded to Linda's second post, saying that I misunderstood
her and tried to change the properties on the anchored frame, versus on
the graphic itself. After clicking on the graphic and selecting
Runaround Properties and changing it to Don't Run Around, the problem
seems resolved! So, much appreciation to Linda for solving this for me!

Thanks for the response, Richard!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:38 PM
To: Sam Beard; Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Sam Beard wrote:

> Linda,
> 
>That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
> text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the
case
> may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
> text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a
graphic
> placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
> in what you've said?

I'm pretty certain Linda is right. If the Runaround Properties setting
of a graphic frame (not an anchored frame; those have no runaround
setting) is Contour or Bounding Box, then it will "repel" text,
regardless of what text frame or flow that text is in. That sounds like
what you've described. 

Did you try setting the graphic frame to Don't Run Around, or just
decide Linda must be wrong without testing it? 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Text Frames on Graphic

[Owen, Clint]

It might not be relevant in your situation, but you don't really need a
text frame to add callouts on top of a graphic. Just use the text tool
on the graphics toolbar. You can change the font, size, and color as
necessary. You can also add arrows and simple shapes.

Clint 


Clint Owen 
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace & Electronics 
425-743-8674


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:sbe...@oico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.



   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 



Thanks in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Esc m p

[Art Campbell]

Do a quick google for "shrinkwrapasis plugin" -- and try it out --
it's available on several sites.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel  
wrote:
> Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves the
> anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed from
> At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.
>
>
>
> Kelly M. McDaniel

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Converting fm files to xml

[Daniel Osborn]

Dear Framers,

I am trying to save lots of .fm files as .xml in FM 7.2.

I've written an application and when I save a single .fm file as .xml it works 
fine.

When I use the Utility: File > Utilities > Convert structured documents, 
something goes wrong.

The conversion runs fine but the 'href' attribute for the images is not 
included in the output files.

My rules file includes the line: 
   attribute "href" is fm property file;

And, as I say, when I save an individual file as xml it's fine, so it looks 
like a bug.

Does anyone have any ideas how to fix or workaround this?

Thanks,
Daniel


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at tomtom.com | +44 (0)?161?408 7107



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Large FM doc set with many, many nested and/or multiple conditions

[Ron Van de crommert]

I've recently inherited a doc set that uses 50 conditions, most of which are 
nested and/or multiple. The previous writer thought this was the best way to 
support 30 developers and 26 guides. I'm finding that this method is seriously 
prone to error as evidenced by text for guide A displaying in guide B, broken 
cross-references, etc. What is the highest number of FrameMaker conditions that 
you have personally used in an authoring set? Do you have any data that 
suggests a limit to FrameMaker conditions?  I'd like to rework everything into 
perhaps 5 conditions and output fewer guides, w/ callouts, but I'm getting 
resistance from dev that I'm shortchanging users. I'm hopeful that your help 
will help me to point out the craziness of the current setup. Theoretically, it 
makes sense, but the practical application of such a set up is dizzying. 

Thanks!
--Ron

Esc m p

[Kelly McDaniel]

Found it. Works great!...tnx, Kelly.

> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: 2008-06-10 12:46
> To: Kelly McDaniel
> Cc: Frame Users
> Subject: Re: Esc m p
> 
> Do a quick google for "shrinkwrapasis plugin" -- and try it out --
> it's available on several sites.
> 
> Art
> 
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel
 wrote:
> > Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves
the
> > anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed
from
> > At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelly M. McDaniel
> 
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358

[BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Clint,

   Thanks for that. Yes, I'm aware that text lines would also work, but
they wouldn't work quite as well in this case. For one thing, the
callouts are text instead of a simply a number/letter that's defined
elsewhere. Secondly, the callouts have more than a single line, which is
where the text tool seems to work best. Thirdly, I also need to apply a
paragraph style to the callouts, which is not available as a text line.
Conceivably, I could also reformat the text to match the format of the
other callouts, which is what I was going to try if I didn't get a fix
to the problem otherwise. 

Thanks much for the response and suggestion!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:42 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic
Importance: Low

It might not be relevant in your situation, but you don't really need a
text frame to add callouts on top of a graphic. Just use the text tool
on the graphics toolbar. You can change the font, size, and color as
necessary. You can also add arrows and simple shapes.

Clint 


Clint Owen 
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace & Electronics 
425-743-8674


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:sbe...@oico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't 

Text Frames on Graphic

[Pinkham, Jim]

True, but the text-frame approach gives you more control over the
formatting of all of your callouts. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:42 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

It might not be relevant in your situation, but you don't really need a
text frame to add callouts on top of a graphic. Just use the text tool
on the graphics toolbar. You can change the font, size, and color as
necessary. You can also add arrows and simple shapes.

Clint 


Clint Owen
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace & Electronics
425-743-8674


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:sbe...@oico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is 

Esc m p

[Rene Stephenson]

Huh. This Esc m p "feature" doesn't cause the anchored frame to change to At 
Insertion Point in my FM7.2 on XP SP2, and I do not have ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll.  
Does Bruce Foster's ImpGraph.dll fix the Esc m p problem, too?


Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Art Campbell 
To: Kelly McDaniel 
Cc: Frame Users 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:46:21 PM
Subject: Re: Esc m p

Do a quick google for "shrinkwrapasis plugin" -- and try it out --
it's available on several sites.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel  
wrote:
> Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves the
> anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed from
> At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.
>
>
>
> Kelly M. McDaniel

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
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Esc m p

[Kelly McDaniel]

Don't know.  Art?

Art for art's sake.





From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 2008-06-10 14:30
To: Art Campbell; Kelly McDaniel
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Esc m p



Huh. This Esc m p "feature" doesn't cause the anchored frame to change
to At Insertion Point in my FM7.2 on XP SP2, and I do not have
ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll.  Does Bruce Foster's ImpGraph.dll fix the Esc m p
problem, too?



Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Art Campbell 
To: Kelly McDaniel 
Cc: Frame Users 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:46:21 PM
Subject: Re: Esc m p

Do a quick google for "shrinkwrapasis plugin" -- and try it out --
it's available on several sites.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel 
wrote:
> Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves
the
> anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed
from
> At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.
>
>
>
> Kelly M. McDaniel

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
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Esc m p

[Art Campbell]

I suppose that doesn't happen on Rene's system because he's changed
his configuration somehow, Kelly, but no way of knowing long distance.
If he has another .dll in place that manages graphic imports... that
could certainly be it, but unless you got Bruce's .dll and tested some
I don't know how you could tell which is doing what.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Kelly McDaniel  
wrote:
> Don't know.  Art?
>
> Art for art's sake.
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinnie1 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: 2008-06-10 14:30
> To: Art Campbell; Kelly McDaniel
> Cc: Frame Users
> Subject: Re: Esc m p
>
>
>
> Huh. This Esc m p "feature" doesn't cause the anchored frame to change to At
> Insertion Point in my FM7.2 on XP SP2, and I do not have
> ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll.  Does Bruce Foster's ImpGraph.dll fix the Esc m p
> problem, too?
>
>
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Art Campbell 
> To: Kelly McDaniel 
> Cc: Frame Users 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:46:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Esc m p
>
> Do a quick google for "shrinkwrapasis plugin" -- and try it out --
> it's available on several sites.
>
> Art
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kelly McDaniel 
> wrote:
>> Has anyone found a fix for shrink wrap (Esc m p) that either leaves the
>> anchored frame in place or has a config option so it can be changed from
>> At Insertion Point to something else?...thanks, Kelly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kelly M. McDaniel
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> No disclaimers apply.
> DoD 358
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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Esc m p

[Stuart Rogers]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
> Huh. This Esc m p "feature" doesn't cause the anchored frame to
> change to At Insertion Point in my FM7.2 on XP SP2, and I do not have
> ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll.  Does Bruce Foster's ImpGraph.dll fix the Esc m p
> problem, too?
> 

Yes.

"ImpGraph is a shareware plugin for FrameMaker that lets you specify the 
default settings for the anchored frame created when you import a 
graphic and for the scale and runaround settings for an imported 
graphic. ImpGraph also includes a Graphics > Shrinkwrap command that is 
an enhanced version of the native FrameMaker Esc m p command. For the 
anchored frame, all settings allowed in the Anchored Frame dialog are 
supported. In addition, you can choose between two ways to size the 
frame: setting the width and height dimensions or shrinkwrapping the 
frame to fit the imported graphic. The ImpGraph enhanced Shrinkwrap 
command lets you specify the margin between the graphic and frame, 
leaves the anchor position for the parent frame unchanged, and can 
shrinkwrap multiple graphic objects in a single frame."

http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/ImpGraph.htm

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

Lucy: Charlie Brown, life is like a deck chair on a cruise ship.
Passengers open up these canvas deck chairs so they can sit in the sun.
Some people place their chairs facing the rear of the ship so they can
see where they've been. Other people face their chairs forward -- they
want to see where they're going. On the cruise ship of life, which way
is your deck chair facing?

Charlie Brown: "I've never been able to get one unfolded."

-- Charles Schulz

MS Word vs. Frame

[Angela Akridge]

Hi,

Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text insets?
Conditional text?

I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget. I've
been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals in MS
Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.

They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an ongoing
basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases. Let me
get to the point.

I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which to
choose, given the circumstances!

Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself or
the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the Project
Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less highly
unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where there are
limited resources.

They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know anything
about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit writers when the
source is in Frame, or so I've noticed.

Angela

Turn on track edits in all files in book?

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Framers,

This is my first try at using the new track edits feature in FM 8. Maybe you
can't do it, but is there a way to turn it on in all files in a book? Seems
awfully tedious to do in every file.

Thanks!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates

MS Word vs. Frame

[John Sgammato]

You're asking a biased audience here... 
IMO if they want a quality product then they should use the right tool
for the job. If their docs are in MS Word without styles, then I would
dispute the assertion that they know how to use MS Word.
With FM, Acrobat, and Mif2Go you can generate printed docs, online docs,
online help, and output to MS Word so the PM can update the docs between
releases. 
Ymmv, etc, etc
john


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Angela
Akridge
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:07 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: MS Word vs. Frame

Hi,

Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text
insets?
Conditional text?

I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget.
I've been tasked to create their online help. They currently have
manuals in MS Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.

They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an
ongoing basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance
releases. Let me get to the point.

I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which
to choose, given the circumstances!

Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself
or the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the
Project Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less
highly unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where
there are limited resources.

They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know
anything about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit
writers when the source is in Frame, or so I've noticed.

Angela
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Turn on track edits in all files in book?

[Art Campbell]

This question just cropped up on the Adobe user forum, and one guy
posted a bit of FrameScript code that does this...
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b4b854?14  If you have,
FrameScript.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Linda G. Gallagher
 wrote:
> Framers,
>
> This is my first try at using the new track edits feature in FM 8. Maybe you
> can't do it, but is there a way to turn it on in all files in a book? Seems
> awfully tedious to do in every file.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
> WebWorks ePublisher templates
> 



-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Sam Beard]

Dave,

   First thing we need to know is what version of Mac OS is she using.
Also, you might be able to use something in the software that comes with
the digital camera she's using. Not knowing this info, I can't say for
sure. I'm not on a Mac here at work, but I have one at home. It's
possible that Preview, software that allows for viewing PDF files and
other file types, as well, and is included with Macs using Mac OS X,
might be able to do what you're talking about. 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:04 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac

Hi

Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be able to 
help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has bought an

educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp files.

Because she wants to import photos taken on a digital camera, she needs 
to convert them from jpg to bmp.  Can anyone recommend some 
freeware/shareware viewer/converter program that will allow her to do 
this conversion on her Mac laptop.  I know there are many programs like 
this for a PC (XnView, IrfanView, etc), but I'm a bit lost in the Mac 
world.  I did find a Mac version of XnView, but it's a beta and doesn't 
support file conversion yet.

Thanks

Dave

-- 
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

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Tait Electronics Ltd  Email: dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz
PO Box 1645
Christchurch
New Zealand

MS Word vs. Frame

[Art Campbell]

I'd agree with John...
You're in the right position to put them on the right track, for a
not-too-big investment. But if the argument is that they don't have
the time or cash to do it right the first time, you may want to look
elsewhere for a better opportunity. If they don't get started
professionally now, it's going to cost them more in time and money
further down the line.

***
And the single largest thing that I think you'd be giving up is the
ability to set and manage style for the entire doc set / help set from
book files.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:14 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:
> You're asking a biased audience here...
> IMO if they want a quality product then they should use the right tool
> for the job. If their docs are in MS Word without styles, then I would
> dispute the assertion that they know how to use MS Word.
> With FM, Acrobat, and Mif2Go you can generate printed docs, online docs,
> online help, and output to MS Word so the PM can update the docs between
> releases.
> Ymmv, etc, etc
> john
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Angela
> Akridge
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:07 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: MS Word vs. Frame
>
> Hi,
>
> Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text
> insets?
> Conditional text?
>
> I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget.
> I've been tasked to create their online help. They currently have
> manuals in MS Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.
>
> They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
> There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an
> ongoing basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance
> releases. Let me get to the point.
>
> I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which
> to choose, given the circumstances!
>
> Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself
> or the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the
> Project Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less
> highly unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where
> there are limited resources.
>
> They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know
> anything about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit
> writers when the source is in Frame, or so I've noticed.
>
> Angela
> ___
>
>

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

MS Word vs. Frame

[Combs, Richard]

Angela Akridge wrote:

> I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget.
I've
> been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals
in MS
> Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.
> 
> They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
> There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an
ongoing
> basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases. Let
me
> get to the point.
> 
> I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know
which to
> choose, given the circumstances!

I have to go against my fellow list-members (and my own preferences) on
this one. As John noted, they apparently don't _really_ know how to use
Word -- and thus will likely mess things up when they do the "minor
updates." OTOH, learning FM is non-trivial, and if they don't use styles
in Word, they're likely to mess up FM docs, too, even after some
training. At the least, you'd have to modify the interface to disable ad
hoc formatting controls as much as possible.

And with either FM or Word, you still have to pick a help tool. For FM,
Mif2Go is inexpensive, and once you set it up, they can just "turn the
crank" to regenerate their output. But things will break when they
redefine formats, use overrides left and right, etc. For Word,
Doc-To-Help would be a good choice. But it's been a few years since I've
used it, and I can't say how well it would handle Word files maintained
by the less-than-skilled.

In any case, a small startup with not much money or time -- it's asking
a lot to have them learn either FM or the _right_ way to use Word, plus
the help conversion tool, and the disciplined approach needed to keep it
all working properly update after update.

If the primary deliverable is online help, you may want to consider a
lighter-weight, easier-to-learn help authoring tool like Help & Manual. 

Check out www.hat-matrix.com for info on various help authoring tools. 

HTH!
Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Kelly McDaniel]

GraphicConvertor 

http://www.lemkesoft.com/

...Kelly.

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
> Sent: 2008-06-10 16:17
> To: Dave Reynolds; FrameUsers List
> Subject: RE: free viewer/converter software for Mac
> 
> Dave,
> 
>First thing we need to know is what version of Mac OS is she using.
> Also, you might be able to use something in the software that comes
with
> the digital camera she's using. Not knowing this info, I can't say for
> sure. I'm not on a Mac here at work, but I have one at home. It's
> possible that Preview, software that allows for viewing PDF files and
> other file types, as well, and is included with Macs using Mac OS X,
> might be able to do what you're talking about.
> 
> Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
> Technical Writer
> OI Analytical
> 979 690-1711 Ext. 222
> sbeard at oico.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:04 PM
> To: FrameUsers List
> Subject: OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac
> 
> Hi
> 
> Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be able
to
> help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has bought
an
> 
> educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp
files.
> 
> Because she wants to import photos taken on a digital camera, she
needs
> to convert them from jpg to bmp.  Can anyone recommend some
> freeware/shareware viewer/converter program that will allow her to do
> this conversion on her Mac laptop.  I know there are many programs
like
> this for a PC (XnView, IrfanView, etc), but I'm a bit lost in the Mac
> world.  I did find a Mac version of XnView, but it's a beta and
doesn't
> support file conversion yet.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dave
> 
> --
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> 
> Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029
> Senior Technical Author   Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632
> Tait Electronics Ltd  Email: dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz
> PO Box 1645
> Christchurch
> New Zealand
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Turn on track edits in all files in book?

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Oh, great. I'll check it out. I do have FrameScript.

Thanks! 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:16 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Turn on track edits in all files in book?

This question just cropped up on the Adobe user forum, and one guy
posted a bit of FrameScript code that does this...
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b4b854?14  If you have,
FrameScript.

Art

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Linda G. Gallagher
 wrote:
> Framers,
>
> This is my first try at using the new track edits feature in FM 8. Maybe
you
> can't do it, but is there a way to turn it on in all files in a book?
Seems
> awfully tedious to do in every file.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
> WebWorks ePublisher templates
> 



-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Text Frames on Graphic

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Sam,

You need to Control+Click on the graphic and choose Graphics > Runaround 
Properties. Set the value to Don't Run Around and click Set.

Unfortunately, the default for imported graphics is to have the Runaround 
set to Run around Contour. You might want to look at my RunaroundNone 
plugin, which remedies this problem. See http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

> Hello All,
>
>
>
>   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.
>
>
>
>   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
> some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
> text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
> I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
> an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
> also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
> the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
> being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
> on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
> underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
> text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
> tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
> different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
> I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
> a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
> Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
> display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
> indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
> nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
> frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
> graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
> graphic.
>
>
>
>   Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
>
> Technical Writer
>
> OI Analytical
>
> 979 690-1711 Ext. 222
>
> sbeard at oico.com

MS Word vs. Frame

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Ang,

You're kidding me, right?  You are actually considering Word instead of FM?

We use both here, but are working away from Word, manual by manual.  The
Word templates were created from my FM templates.  I converted FM to Word
with Mif2Go.  Yay Jeremy!

Just my 2c worth, but if there are no styles in their Word docs, I don't
think they really know how to use Word.  And I expect that they know much
about manuals either. I srongly encourage you to take the lead here and get
them on the right path.  They will luv ya in the long run.

Sure, Word sounds like the easy way at the moment, but trust me, not in the
long run. And I think the company will happier with FM too.  BTW, if you
need something to convince them, I have lots of Word vs FM comparison docs
that I've either written or collected over the last 10 years or so.  Let me
know if you need them.

Why does the project manager need to learn FM?  To comment on your docs?
No, Word is not the way.  Buy FM8 and Acrobat 8 Pro.  Get the free Acrobat 8
reader for them.  With Acrobat8 Pro, you can create PDFs that they can
commment in, highlight, edit, and more, just like they can with Word.  And
you can keep right on using FM.  BTW, if you are worried about converting
the Word docs to FM, don't.  FM8 has a great new filter that really does
convert Word docs into FM, tables and graphics and everything.  I use it all
the time.  No, not the RTF filter.  It's called Microsoft Word 7.  Sure
beats those old Mastersoft filters that Frame Technology bought to make the
sale of FM to Adobe.

If I understand your message, you will be creating both docs and online
help.  If that is the case, don't by FM and don't buy Acrobat.  Yes, I am
serious.  Don't buy them.

Huh?  What?  Don't buy FM and Acrobat?

No, don't buy them.  That is, not separately.

Instead, buy the new Adobe Techinical Communications Suite. It includes a
linked version of FM8 and Robo7, plus Acrobat NINE Pro extended (yep, 9),
and a really neat tool called Captivate.  We just bought it for several of
us and let me tell you it is fan-tastic.  We are saving lots of time and
work.  You can author in FM and convert the manual to Robo online HTML help.
TOC, index, glossary, everything.  It depends on how you set it up.  You use
conditional text in FM to set up what goes in the help an what doesn't.  You
set up the tag mapping from FM to Robo (it's easy, nothing like WWP was), do
a couple more easy setup things, hit the convert button, and presto, online
help. You can also author in Robo and import back to FM if you want, but I'd
recommend setting it up as author in FM, print docs from FM, import by
reference into Robo.

Captivate is amazing.  3D interactive graphics in a PDF file.  Live
installation demos with almost no instructions to write.  No special
viewers, just Acrobat Reader 7 or 8.  Who'd have ever thought you could do
this?  You run a GUI and record your actions.  Users can play it back as a
demo or walk themselves through it, with popup instructions guiding them
along if you want.  I'll send you a demo file I created offline 'cause the
list strips attachments.  It is really cool.

Microsoft, eat your heart out. :-)

Gee, do I sound like I'm selling it or something?  Well, that wasn't my
intent, but I gotta tellya, these toys are really fun to play with, and the
big bosses are already taking notice of what we are doing.

BTW, thank you Matt Sullivan, wheever you are.  That was a great TCS class.
We'll be hitting you with questions pretty soon.

Cheers,

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems
Santa Clara, CA

===


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Angela Akridge
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:07 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: MS Word vs. Frame


Hi,

Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text insets?
Conditional text?

I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget. I've
been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals in MS
Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet.

They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time.
There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an ongoing
basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases. Let me
get to the point.

I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which to
choose, given the circumstances!

Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself or
the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the Project
Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less highly
unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where there are
limited resources.

They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know anything
about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit writers when the
source is in Frame, or so 

[OT] RH 7 questions

[Neeraj Jain]

Sorry for asking the RH 7 question on the FM list. But I am caught in a 
terrible situation. I have a Word document with multiple sections. There are 
multiple headers and footers. This Word document also has screenshots. Now when 
I import this document into RH7, all screenshots (images) fail to appear. When 
I remove all the section breaks and then import the doc again, the screenshots 
appear again. I desperately want different headers and footers in my Word doc. 
I do not want to remove them because I also need to create the pdf. This 
strange behavior of RH 7 is confusing me a lot.

Can anyone please help me find a solution asap? Thanks in advance.




Your smile could be infectious; just give it a try.
Regards, 
N. Jain