A strange 'debug' message, while using FrameMaker 10

2013-05-14 Thread Simon BUCH

Does anyone on the list ever receive strange error messages from FrameMaker?

I was in the middle of importing PDF files to layout in a structured 
FrameMaker document into FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 [or more accurately, 
10.0.3.419] and I happened to receive the attached error message Debug 
assertion failed, with reference to:

F:\dd\vctools\vc7libs\ship\atlmfc\src\atl\atls\atldebugapi.cpp

I don't even have Visual C++ installed on my machine!

Can anyone enlighten me with the meaning of it?

TIA
// Simon BUCH

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Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:00 +1200 14/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote:

 The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel I 
 referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and why Adobe 
 has gone direct to the market.

Ah, right - I understand. No, I don't remember anything like that here.

-- 
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FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Rob Shell
Dear Framers:
I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
reassigned or re-named.
Everything went well -- and three days later --  I had my new 64 bit machine
with 8 gigs of Ram.  All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
annual pdf project.
Finally I opened the book of books.
Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.

My questions are
How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
How did this happen?
Has anybody experienced this?
Is there anything else I can do
Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
Any ideas?


Rob

Rob Shell
Windows Seven 64 bit
TCS 4
CS4
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd






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Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Jim Owens
You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See 
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm



On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:

Dear Framers:
I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
reassigned or re-named.
Everything went well -- and three days later --  I had my new 64 bit machine
with 8 gigs of Ram.  All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
annual pdf project.
Finally I opened the book of books.
Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.

My questions are
How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
How did this happen?
Has anybody experienced this?
Is there anything else I can do
Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
Any ideas?


Rob

Rob Shell
Windows Seven 64 bit
TCS 4
CS4
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd






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Fm 11: reformatting C: destroys the path of referenced graphics if referenced graphics are on a different drive...

2013-05-14 Thread Rob Shell
Is this the cause of my nightmare?

When you import by reference with File  Import  File, the path to the text
or graphic can be either absolute or relative. A relative path begins at a
current folder or one folder up the hierarchy and specifies the file's
location from there. An absolute path begins at the root of the file system
(the topmost folder) and fully specifies the file's location from there.
Following are two examples of absolute paths.

d:\Graphics\Mountain.gif
\\DocServer\Graphics\Mountain.gif
FrameMaker stores relative paths whenever possible so that it can find an
imported file even when you move both the document and the source file-as
long as you keep the files in the same relative locations. If you save the
document in a different folder, FrameMaker adjusts the paths of the imported
files accordingly. However, if the path to the imported file traverses the
root (the topmost folder) of the file system, FrameMaker uses absolute paths
that begins at the root.

To ensure that FrameMaker uses relative paths, make sure that it does not
have to traverse the root to locate the file.

Rob



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RE: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Fred Ridder
I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, which is 
where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two partitions) to the 
same letter.

I think his only option is moving the directories to the drive letter that 
FrameMaker is expecting to use. But I'm not sure because I have *never* kept 
files for any FrameMaker project in more than one partition because I know that 
this practice forces FrameMaker to use absolute paths to the referenced files 
rather than relative paths. As much as possible (and it's not always possible 
when using any files that are shared among multiple documents) I have always 
kept all files for any given document in subdirectories within the same branch 
of my directory structure. 

-Fred Ridder

 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:36 -0400
 From: jow...@magma.ca
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive:   
 nightmare alley
 
 You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See 
 http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm
 
 
 On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
  Dear Framers:
  I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
  I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
  To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
  reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
  reassigned or re-named.
  Everything went well -- and three days later --  I had my new 64 bit machine
  with 8 gigs of Ram.  All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
  annual pdf project.
  Finally I opened the book of books.
  Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
  250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
  However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
  So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
 
  My questions are
  How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
  How did this happen?
  Has anybody experienced this?
  Is there anything else I can do
  Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
  Any ideas?
 
 
  Rob
 
  Rob Shell
  Windows Seven 64 bit
  TCS 4
  CS4
  4 GB RAM
  3 TB hd
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Lise Bible
I recall that when I've had Frame files (that had been moved) looking for
graphics in a certain directory and couldn't find them, if I pointed the
first one to the correct directory, it found the rest in that same
directory.
Now, caveats being that in my case, the frame files and the graphics files
are both on sub-directories of the same network drive name, and all the
graphics files are in one folder, so I don't know if this works if it has
to navigate to the root of a different drive, as Fred references below.
-Lise

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, which is
 where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two partitions) to
 the same letter.

 I think his only option is moving the directories to the drive letter that
 FrameMaker is expecting to use. But I'm not sure because I have *never*
 kept files for any FrameMaker project in more than one partition because I
 know that this practice forces FrameMaker to use absolute paths to the
 referenced files rather than relative paths. As much as possible (and it's
 not always possible when using any files that are shared among multiple
 documents) I have always kept all files for any given document in
 subdirectories within the same branch of my directory structure.

 -Fred Ridder

  Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:36 -0400
  From: jow...@magma.ca
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong
 drive: nightmare alley

 
  You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See
 
 http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm
 
 
  On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
   Dear Framers:
   I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
   I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
   To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
   reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
   reassigned or re-named.
   Everything went well -- and three days later -- I had my new 64 bit
 machine
   with 8 gigs of Ram. All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
   annual pdf project.
   Finally I opened the book of books.
   Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all
 under
   250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
   However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
   So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
  
   My questions are
   How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
   How did this happen?
   Has anybody experienced this?
   Is there anything else I can do
   Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
   Any ideas?
  
  
   Rob
  
   Rob Shell
   Windows Seven 64 bit
   TCS 4
   CS4
   4 GB RAM
   3 TB hd
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Jim Owens

On 2013-05-14 15:36, Fred Ridder wrote:
I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, 
which is where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two 
partitions) to the same letter.




I thought he might be able to rename the current H drive to something 
else, and then rename the G drive to H. But mabye something on the 
system cares whether the Frame files are on H -- I'm not sure.


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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Ed Nodland
I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement
below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to
read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe.

A previous post said:

The problem with customers is that they cost money to do business with.

Am I taking this out of context, or should I have it turned into a banner
that hangs near the front door or cash register.

The cost of customer management has a negative effect on share value.

I think it depends on a companies mission statement and core values.  Are
they still passionate about the product or service, or is has it become
just about the money.  I realize both forces at play and balance is
required to sustain business.

A new business model is emerging.  I've read a lot of pros and cons on this
thread. Some will prove to be real, adjustments will be made, business will
grow, decline or maybe fail.  In the perspective of things unfolding from
the creativity of the cosmos, I see this as another iteration towards cloud
computing, but rather than stepping to total cloud computing like Google
Docs/Drive where we don't have the software at all, it's just cloud
software delivery for now.  It is a systemic result that emerges from
individuals trying to make isolated business decisions based on, or
building on, ideas they see elsewhere.

I'm actually more interested in watching the open source concept grow into
an entirely new economy where the passion is about the product and the
money comes from some other offshoot, or like someone wrote about Oxygen
where the academic license allows some small scale usage while the money
comes in from other larger sources.  I think the economy is going to change
in the next 50 years in ways we can't even image due to the connectiveness
of the internet and access to free and low cost entertainment, education,
information, apps, and services.

I bet the large companies that highly control software versions like a
large aerospace firm I used to work for, medical device companies that
Craig mentioned, or other safety critical product companies, are going to
be busy figuring out how to work in this new model.

Ed
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RE: FM10 help broken?

2013-05-14 Thread Gillian Flato
Craig,
How do you download the help as a PDF?
-Gillian

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:25 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FW: FM10 help broken?

As a fallback option to online help, it's probably a good idea to download the 
help file as a PDF (it makes a  great user manual, btw). Since the PDF has the 
revision date in the footer you can update your version if a new revision is 
released. Such a search should be easy in the PDF.

Craig


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 12:59 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM10 help broken?

Did Adobe change something on their web site that broke FM10 help?
Maybe it's not just FM10?

I just did Help  Help Topics and searched for change bars with This 
reference only selected. Cold Fusion or whatever replaced the quotes and space 
with escaped HTML and the search found no results.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/search/index.cfm?cat=supportterm=%2522change%2
520bars%2522loc=en_USself=1lr=en_USsite=framemaker_10_all
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RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Gillian Flato
Isn't that what MadCap tried to do?

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:06 PM
To: Writer; craig...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I raise my hand ... :)

Now ... who is responsible for getting funding?

Z

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To: craig...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with 
me? Anyone? Anyone?

*crickets chirp*

=D

Nadine


- Original Message -
 From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM
 Subject: FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
 only
 
T his is troubling, and so one message is buy the CS software on 
CD/DVD  while you still can. A number of my friends, most connected 
with academic  institutions, are doing that.
 
 I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page as 
 regards these applications so that one set of help files defines the 
 current state
 of an application. This would help a lot in terms of expected outcomes 
 when using the product. However, it requires a constant state of 
 reeducation as new features are added and different ways of handling things 
 are introduced.
 Not that we don't have to deal with this already, but at least we know 
 if we do something in a given version, it is going to work in a way 
 that we already are familiar with.
 
 As for extending this the current version of the app beyond the 
 bounds of the Creative Suite, I rather doubt that Adobe will do that 
 anytime soon. If they have their finger on the pulse of their users 
 they must realized that, for instance, in the medical device industry, 
 all tools used to produce documentation must be validated. It would be 
 impossible  (and expensive!) to validate a moving target as the apps 
 were continually being improved and the former version made 
 unavailable.
 
 Craig Ede
 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
 Rickaby
 Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
 only
 
 I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in 
 future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?
 
 I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like 
 Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless 
 thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it
 - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as 
 soon as you stop paying for it.
 
 For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and 
 Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less 
 sure about the future, though.
 
 --
 Steve [somewhat aghast]
 
 
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Re: FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
I don't think MS's new can't-call-it-Metro UI has gotten any traction
in corporate environments. If they don't want Windows 8 to be a bigger
flop than Vista, compatibility is essential.

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Lea Rush l...@astoria-pacific.com wrote:
 I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that
 decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd
 like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to
 fruition. :)

 However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years old, and I'm a
 bit concerned about compatibility, especially in the light of some Microsoft
 engineers slipping and referring to the legacy desktop interface.
 Thoughts?
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RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Heiko Haida
 

Dear Rick, 

please allow one note about the print engine.


FrameMaker is still using the old Distiller engine (at least version
10 does).
I recently had to switch a workflow from Indesign to
FrameMaker and found it annoying that Indesign would produce a valid PDF
right away whereas with FrameMaker I have to correct all PDFs in Acrobat
to produce PDF/X3 with color profile and valid bleed box.
And as
transparency is not fully supported via the Distiller engine, the actual
PDF/X4 format cannot be produced (the favorite format for one of our
printing service companies). 

So finally, I came to think that not
FrameMaker, but Indesign may have one of the best print engines - at
least more flexible and more up to date than FrameMaker's. 

Best
regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Rick Quatro: 

 Here is my
suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor
 where
the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles

would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a
full
 copy of FrameMaker could be used as print engine. You would set
up a
 structured application in full FrameMaker, and import the XML for
print,
 etc.
 
 The reasons I favor this approach:
 
 1) FrameMaker
is currently the best print engine on the market for
 producing
high-quality print/PDF output.
 
 2) With a light-weight editor, you
would only need one copy of FrameMaker
 for output. The rest of the
writers/editors could use the light-weight
 editor.
 
 3) You could
easily exchange content with users of other XML editors as long
 as
everyone is using the same schema.
 
 4) This is a realistic first
step to a FrameMaker replacement. Anything
 more complex may be too
ambitious and not get too far.
 
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing
Inc.
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Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Ken Poshedly
I was contacted by the reseller that my company uses earlier today and it turns 
out that only it will be either all or nothing, no picking-and-choosing.

We here use FM, Acrobat Professional and may be getting into InDesign in the 
future, but we have no need -- and do not see a need in the future -- for all 
of 
the other stuff.

And it appears, from an e-mail from my reseller, that we may be SOL regarding 
upgrades to our currently licensed software in the not-too-distant future:


· * 15 new CC apps including Adobe Photoshop CC, Adobe InDesign CC, 
Adobe Illustrator CC and more will be made available to all CCT users by 
June17th
· *Adobe has confirmed any future enhancements for their creative 
products will be available through their CCT offering only (boldfacing mine)

· * CCT Packager available for centralized IT deployment
· * New LOWER price for your additional copies effective NOW thru 
8/31/2013.  ($480 MSRP)
By the way, the reseller my company uses is very straight-up and hasn't steered 
us wrong in the past, so nothing against them.

-- Ken in Atlanta





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Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-13-01T13:00Z

There's that death knell again . . ..

Dave Stamm
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Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future 
only 
on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?

I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe 
understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of 
freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then 
they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for it.

For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver have 
been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the future, 
though.

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Re: FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

2013-05-14 Thread Frank Rees

Lea,

I'm using an even older version of Frame; Frame 6.0p405 and have 
upgraded to Window 8 ( albeit without a touch screen monitor). Frame 6.0 
works fine and I have not seen any interface or other problems. O do, 
however, use the compatibility feature of Windows to launch Frame under 
Windows XP.


Frank Rees
On 5/13/2013 1:23 PM, Lea Rush wrote:

I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that
decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd
like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to
fruition. :)

However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years old, and I'm a
bit concerned about compatibility, especially in the light of some Microsoft
engineers slipping and referring to the legacy desktop interface.
Thoughts?

Thanks much,
Lea


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Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do as well as ever.

I'd

really like to get my hands on a copy of FrameMaker 8.


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Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Harro de Jong
harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com wrote:
 The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may 
 have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the 
 upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your 
 license once a new version is available.

There's nothing in the FM10 or earlier licensing agreements I've read
that would allow Adobe to revoke your right to use the software so
long as you observe the restrictions of the agreement.

The clause you're quoting means that If the currently installed and
licensed version is an update or upgrade, Adobe has no obligation to
provide the support for the earlier versions. For example, if you
upgrade to FM11 while you still have an active support contract for
FM10, the support contract is shifted to FM11, and they no longer have
any obligation to provide any support for FM10.

5. Updates. If the Software is an upgrade or update to a previous
version of Adobe software, you must possess a valid license to such
previous version in order to use such upgrade or update. After you
install such update or upgrade, you may continue to use any such
previous version in accordance with its end-user license agreement
only if (a) the upgrade or update and all previous versions are
installed on the same Computer, (b) the previous versions or copies
thereof are not transferred to another party or device unless all
copies of the update or upgrade are also transferred to such party or
device, and (c) you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may have to
support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the
upgrade or update. No other use of the previous version(s) is
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Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson chinask...@gmail.com wrote:
 ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ...

Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new
version is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell
your rights:

You may ... permanently transfer all your rights to use the Software
to another individual or legal entity ... Adobe may require that you
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Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides,
not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come
up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002.

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM,  dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote:
 The purpose of business is to make money.  The purpose of business is _not_ 
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Boston area Framers and translation

2013-05-14 Thread John Sgammato
Do any Boston-area Framers have experience with GlobalVision International
for translation projects?
We are translating 220pp unstructured FM11 into Japanese.

I am also interested in the view from the trenches on translations from FM
via machine translation vs human-guided translation memory.
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Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Windows XP SP3?

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan kristy.no...@wnco.com wrote:

 Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it 
 to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so 
 know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and 
 have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete 
 and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive 
 and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I’ve tried moving all 
 the files to an Explorer window.

 Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New 
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Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread John Sgammato
Hi Kristy,
I have been stuck with a MacBook Pro since starting a new job in November.
Until last week, I ran FM11 pretty much without incident within a
VirtualBox Win7 VM.
But the VM was confined to a single screen, and I hated jumping through the
looking-glass from Mac to Windows and back for different things.
Finally at the end of last week I threw it all away and set the Mac up with
BootCamp. Now I boot into Windows and I never see the Mac stuff anymore. I
should have done this half a year ago!


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Kristy Nolan kristy.no...@wnco.com wrote:

   Hi, all-

 ** **

 Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get
 it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old
 MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the
 trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets
 about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting
 properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple
 times. I’ve tried moving all the files to an Explorer window.

 Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New
 Mac, Windows XP.

 ** **

 Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.

 ** **

 Thanks!

 Kristy

 ** **

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RE: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread Gillian Flato

You cannot run Frame 11 directly on a Mac. You CAN download VMWare Fusion, 
create a Windows VM on the MAC and install Frame 11 on the Windows VM. That's 
how my MAC is set up. VMWare Fusion works like a champ!

-Gillian

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Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

Hi, all-

Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to 
install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know 
it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have 
Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives 
me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I 
have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an 
Explorer window.

Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, 
Windows XP.

Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.

Thanks!
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Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread MikeyShine
Sounds like the file got corrupt during download or maybe did not fully 
download. Have you tried re-downloading it yet?


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 image001.jpg
 Hi, all-
  
 Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it 
 to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so 
 know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and 
 have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete 
 and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive 
 and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I’ve tried moving all 
 the files to an Explorer window.
 
 Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New 
 Mac, Windows XP.
  
 Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.
  
 Thanks!
 Kristy
  
  
  
 
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Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread MikeyShine
Good call Jeff I had just assumed she downloaded it though the virtual machine 
but I can def see where this could create a potential issue!


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 image002.jpg
 What browser are you using to download it? You probably should use Firefox 
 from within the Windows virtual machine – I think Adobe is using 7Zip to 
 compress the files, so under WinXP you’ll need to install that to unzip it 
 (IIRC).
  
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 Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it 
 to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so 
 know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and 
 have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete 
 and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive 
 and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I’ve tried moving all 
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 Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New 
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Re: A strange 'debug' message, while using FrameMaker 10

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Look in the Programs control panel, you surely have one or more
Microsoft Visual C++ 20## Redistributable runtimes installed.

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Re: A strange 'debug' message, while using FrameMaker 10

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
That part suggests to me that FrameMaker.exe was compiled with some
debug options on, which seems odd for a GA release.

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Re: A strange 'debug' message, while using FrameMaker 10

2013-05-14 Thread Anjaneai S
Hi Simon,

Are you ware about any plug in being used in your FrameMaker or deployed by
someone else?

Does any file or this location exists on your disk?

Would it reproduce if you try the same steps again, considering both cases,
if you import it to same structured document or a new one?

Answers to these may lead to some more question :-)

Thanks,
Anjaneai


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Simon BUCH simon.b...@m-ais.com wrote:

 Does anyone on the list ever receive strange error messages from
 FrameMaker?

 I was in the middle of importing PDF files to layout in a structured
 FrameMaker document into FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 [or more accurately,
 10.0.3.419] and I happened to receive the attached error message Debug
 assertion failed, with reference to:
 F:\dd\vctools\vc7libs\ship\**atlmfc\src\atl\atls\**atldebugapi.cpp

 I don't even have Visual C++ installed on my machine!

 Can anyone enlighten me with the meaning of it?

 TIA
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Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread rebecca officer
Yes, you should only have to do the remapping once per chapter even if the 
graphics files are on a different drive ... if all the graphics are in a single 
folder. If they aren't, you have to do it once per chapter per folder. If 
you've got lots of graphics folders, that's a right pain. If possible, I'd move 
all the graphics into one folder.
 
If your graphics' source folder changes multiple times in a file, FM will try 
to get you to pick the source folder for each graphic in turn. It's quicker to 
point the first missing graphic to the correct location (say folder1), then 
skip the rest of the missing graphics. FM will fix all references to folder1. 
Then save the file, close it, reopen it, and repeat for folder2 etc.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

 Lise Bible rentagoodb...@gmail.com 15/05/13 08:12 
I recall that when I've had Frame files (that had been moved) looking for 
graphics in a certain directory and couldn't find them, if I pointed the first 
one to the correct directory, it found the rest in that same directory.
Now, caveats being that in my case, the frame files and the graphics files are 
both on sub-directories of the same network drive name, and all the graphics 
files are in one folder, so I don't know if this works if it has to navigate to 
the root of a different drive, as Fred references below.
-Lise

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:


I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, which is 
where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two partitions) to the 
same letter.

I think his only option is moving the directories to the drive letter that 
FrameMaker is expecting to use. But I'm not sure because I have *never* kept 
files for any FrameMaker project in more than one partition because I know that 
this practice forces FrameMaker to use absolute paths to the referenced files 
rather than relative paths. As much as possible (and it's not always possible 
when using any files that are shared among multiple documents) I have always 
kept all files for any given document in subdirectories within the same branch 
of my directory structure. 

-Fred Ridder

 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:36 -0400
 From: jow...@magma.ca
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: 
 nightmare alley

 
 You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See 
 http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm
 
 
 On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
  Dear Framers:
  I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
  I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
  To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
  reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
  reassigned or re-named.
  Everything went well -- and three days later -- I had my new 64 bit machine
  with 8 gigs of Ram. All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
  annual pdf project.
  Finally I opened the book of books.
  Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
  250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
  However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
  So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
 
  My questions are
  How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
  How did this happen?
  Has anybody experienced this?
  Is there anything else I can do
  Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
  Any ideas?
 
 
  Rob
 
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Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread Matt Sullivan
ditto!
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On May 13, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Gillian Flato gillian.fl...@nexenta.com wrote:You cannot run Frame 11 directly on a Mac. YouCANdownload VMWare Fusion, create a Windows VM on the MAC and install Frame 11 on the Windows VM. That’s how my MAC is set up. VMWare Fusion works like a champ!-Gillian___


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Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread Kristy Nolan



Hi, guys!


Thanks for the input! Update is that I have downloaded and installed Service Pack 3 for my Windows XP, deleted all previous attempts at downloading Frame, and re-downloaded the trial using Firefox. I made sure i was strictly on a Windows side (no coherence).
 Result is still no Frame. I tried to ask the online support at Adobe, but he took way too long to respond (and had to catch a flight).


I'll try again when I get back home (even though my trial clock is ticking). Making it hard to rationalize the idea of purchasing this on my own dime. As much as I love Frame, I may have to move to a different paradigm.


Truly appreciate all the input!

Kristy


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On May 14, 2013, at 8:58 PM, MikeyShine mikeysh...@gmail.com wrote:




Good call Jeff I had just assumed she downloaded it though the virtual machine but I can def see where this could create a potential issue!



On May 13, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com wrote:






image002.jpg

What browser are you using to download it? You probably should use Firefox from within the Windows virtual machine – I think Adobe is using 7Zip to compress the files, so under WinXP you’ll need
 to install that to unzip it (IIRC).



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Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?



Hi, all-

Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook,
 so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading
 multiple times. I’ve tried moving all the files to an Explorer window.

Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP.

Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.

Thanks!
Kristy






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RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Tino,

 

I get what you are saying. Maybe instead of print engine I should use the 
term layout engine. In my opinion, the whole EDD concept for formatting XML 
in FrameMaker is very powerful and accessible. I don't think there is anything 
quite as good in the XML world, especially if you need quality print and PDF 
output. Thanks for the feedback.

 

Rick

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Heiko Haida
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:11 PM
To: Framers
Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

 

Dear Rick,

please allow one note about the print engine.

FrameMaker is still using the old Distiller engine (at least version 10 does).
I recently had to switch a workflow from Indesign to FrameMaker and found it 
annoying that Indesign would produce a valid PDF right away whereas with 
FrameMaker I have to correct all PDFs in Acrobat to produce PDF/X3 with color 
profile and valid bleed box.
And as transparency is not fully supported via the Distiller engine, the actual 
PDF/X4 format cannot be produced (the favorite format for one of our printing 
service companies).

So finally, I came to think that not FrameMaker, but Indesign may have one of 
the best print engines - at least more flexible and more up to date than 
FrameMaker's.

Best regards -

Tino H. Haida, Berlin

 

Rick Quatro:

Here is my suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor
where the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles
would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a full
copy of FrameMaker could be used as print engine. You would set up a
structured application in full FrameMaker, and import the XML for print,
etc.
 
The reasons I favor this approach:
 
1) FrameMaker is currently the best print engine on the market for
producing high-quality print/PDF output.
 
2) With a light-weight editor, you would only need one copy of FrameMaker
for output. The rest of the writers/editors could use the light-weight
editor.
 
3) You could easily exchange content with users of other XML editors as long
as everyone is using the same schema.
 
4) This is a realistic first step to a FrameMaker replacement. Anything
more complex may be too ambitious and not get too far.
 
Rick Quatro
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Alan T Litchfield
Thanks. Those are the corporate resellers I was referring to previously. 
The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel 
I referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and 
why Adobe has gone direct to the market.

The added value is worked out in terms of training and specific industry 
support.

Alan

On 13/05/13 9:39 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote:
>
>> These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, 
>> retail channel?
>
> Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also 
> training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software. It 
> was Adobe UK that referred me to the latter.
>

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Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread Alan T Litchfield
I run FM10 on a MBP with VirtualBox and Windows 7 installed on Bootcamp. 
I boot into Windows using VB. Runs fine.

Of course, I think 10 has different registration procedures to 11.

Alan

On 14/05/13 8:46 AM, Kristy Nolan wrote:
> Hi, all-
>
> Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get
> it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old
> MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the
> trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it
> gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not
> extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried
> re-downloading multiple times. I?ve tried moving all the files to an
> Explorer window.
>
> Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening.
> New Mac, Windows XP.
>
> Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kristy
>
> 
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A strange 'debug' message, while using FrameMaker 10

2013-05-14 Thread Simon BUCH
Does anyone on the list ever receive strange error messages from FrameMaker?

I was in the middle of importing PDF files to layout in a structured 
FrameMaker document into FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 [or more accurately, 
10.0.3.419] and I happened to receive the attached error message "Debug 
assertion failed", with reference to:
 F:\dd\vctools\vc7libs\ship\atlmfc\src\atl\atls\atldebugapi.cpp

I don't even have Visual C++ installed on my machine!

Can anyone enlighten me with the meaning of it?

TIA
// Simon BUCH

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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:00 +1200 14/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote:

> The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel I 
> referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and why Adobe 
> has gone direct to the market.

Ah, right - I understand. No, I don't remember anything like that here.

-- 
Steve


FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Rob Shell
Dear Framers:
I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
reassigned or re-named.
Everything went well -- and three days later --  I had my new 64 bit machine
with 8 gigs of Ram.  All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
annual pdf project.
Finally I opened the book of books.
Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.

My questions are
How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
How did this happen?
Has anybody experienced this?
Is there anything else I can do
Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
Any ideas?


Rob

Rob Shell
Windows Seven 64 bit
TCS 4
CS4
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd








FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Jim Owens
You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See 
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm


On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
> Dear Framers:
> I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
> I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
> To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
> reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
> reassigned or re-named.
> Everything went well -- and three days later --  I had my new 64 bit machine
> with 8 gigs of Ram.  All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
> annual pdf project.
> Finally I opened the book of books.
> Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
> 250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
> However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
> So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
>
> My questions are
> How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
> How did this happen?
> Has anybody experienced this?
> Is there anything else I can do
> Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Rob
>
> Rob Shell
> Windows Seven 64 bit
> TCS 4
> CS4
> 4 GB RAM
> 3 TB hd
>
>
>
>
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Fm 11: reformatting C: destroys the path of referenced graphics if referenced graphics are on a different drive...

2013-05-14 Thread Rob Shell
Is this the cause of my nightmare?

When you import by reference with File > Import > File, the path to the text
or graphic can be either absolute or relative. A relative path begins at a
current folder or one folder up the hierarchy and specifies the file's
location from there. An absolute path begins at the root of the file system
(the topmost folder) and fully specifies the file's location from there.
Following are two examples of absolute paths.

d:\Graphics\Mountain.gif
\\DocServer\Graphics\Mountain.gif
FrameMaker stores relative paths whenever possible so that it can find an
imported file even when you move both the document and the source file-as
long as you keep the files in the same relative locations. If you save the
document in a different folder, FrameMaker adjusts the paths of the imported
files accordingly. However, if the path to the imported file traverses the
root (the topmost folder) of the file system, FrameMaker uses absolute paths
that begins at the root.

To ensure that FrameMaker uses relative paths, make sure that it does not
have to traverse the root to locate the file.

Rob





FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Fred Ridder
I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, which is 
where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two partitions) to the 
same letter.

I think his only option is moving the directories to the drive letter that 
FrameMaker is expecting to use. But I'm not sure because I have *never* kept 
files for any FrameMaker project in more than one partition because I know that 
this practice forces FrameMaker to use absolute paths to the referenced files 
rather than relative paths. As much as possible (and it's not always possible 
when using any files that are shared among multiple documents) I have always 
kept all files for any given document in subdirectories within the same branch 
of my directory structure. 

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:36 -0400
> From: jowens at magma.ca
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive:   
> nightmare alley
> 
> You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See 
> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm
> 
> 
> On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
> > Dear Framers:
> > I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
> > I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
> > To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
> > reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
> > reassigned or re-named.
> > Everything went well -- and three days later --  I had my new 64 bit machine
> > with 8 gigs of Ram.  All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
> > annual pdf project.
> > Finally I opened the book of books.
> > Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
> > 250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
> > However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
> > So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
> >
> > My questions are
> > How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
> > How did this happen?
> > Has anybody experienced this?
> > Is there anything else I can do
> > Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > Rob Shell
> > Windows Seven 64 bit
> > TCS 4
> > CS4
> > 4 GB RAM
> > 3 TB hd
> >
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FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Lise Bible
I recall that when I've had Frame files (that had been moved) looking for
graphics in a certain directory and couldn't find them, if I pointed the
first one to the correct directory, it found the rest in that same
directory.
Now, caveats being that in my case, the frame files and the graphics files
are both on sub-directories of the same network drive name, and all the
graphics files are in one folder, so I don't know if this works if it has
to navigate to the "root" of a different drive, as Fred references below.
-Lise

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, which is
> where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two partitions) to
> the same letter.
>
> I think his only option is moving the directories to the drive letter that
> FrameMaker is expecting to use. But I'm not sure because I have *never*
> kept files for any FrameMaker project in more than one partition because I
> know that this practice forces FrameMaker to use absolute paths to the
> referenced files rather than relative paths. As much as possible (and it's
> not always possible when using any files that are shared among multiple
> documents) I have always kept all files for any given document in
> subdirectories within the same branch of my directory structure.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
> > Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:36 -0400
> > From: jowens at magma.ca
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong
> drive: nightmare alley
>
> >
> > You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See
> >
> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm
> >
> >
> > On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
> > > Dear Framers:
> > > I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
> > > I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
> > > To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
> > > reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
> > > reassigned or re-named.
> > > Everything went well -- and three days later -- I had my new 64 bit
> machine
> > > with 8 gigs of Ram. All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
> > > annual pdf project.
> > > Finally I opened the book of books.
> > > Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all
> under
> > > 250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
> > > However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
> > > So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
> > >
> > > My questions are
> > > How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
> > > How did this happen?
> > > Has anybody experienced this?
> > > Is there anything else I can do
> > > Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > Rob Shell
> > > Windows Seven 64 bit
> > > TCS 4
> > > CS4
> > > 4 GB RAM
> > > 3 TB hd
> > >
> > >
> > >
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FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

2013-05-14 Thread Jim Owens
On 2013-05-14 15:36, Fred Ridder wrote:
> I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, 
> which is where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two 
> partitions) to the same letter.
>

I thought he might be able to rename the current H drive to something 
else, and then rename the G drive to H. But mabye something on the 
system cares whether the Frame files are on H -- I'm not sure.

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A strange 'debug' message, while using FrameMaker 10

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Look in the Programs control panel, you surely have one or more
Microsoft Visual C++ 20## Redistributable runtimes installed.

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Simon BUCH  wrote:
> I don't even have Visual C++ installed on my machine!


A strange 'debug' message, while using FrameMaker 10

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
That part suggests to me that FrameMaker.exe was compiled with some
debug options on, which seems odd for a GA release.

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Simon BUCH  wrote:
> F:\dd\vctools\vc7libs\ship\atlmfc\src\atl\atls\atldebugapi.cpp


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Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread Matt Sullivan
ditto!

-Matt

Matt R. Sullivan 
co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 
P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com 

@mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com 

On May 13, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Gillian Flato  wrote:

> You cannot run Frame 11 directly on a Mac. You CAN download VMWare Fusion, 
> create a Windows VM on the MAC and install Frame 11 on the Windows VM. That?s 
> how my MAC is set up. VMWare Fusion works like a champ!
>  
> -Gillian
>  

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Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Tino,



I get what you are saying. Maybe instead of "print engine" I should use the 
term "layout engine". In my opinion, the whole EDD concept for formatting XML 
in FrameMaker is very powerful and accessible. I don't think there is anything 
quite as good in the XML world, especially if you need quality print and PDF 
output. Thanks for the feedback.



Rick



From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Heiko Haida
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:11 PM
To: Framers
Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only



Dear Rick,

please allow one note about the "print engine".

FrameMaker is still using the old Distiller engine (at least version 10 does).
I recently had to switch a workflow from Indesign to FrameMaker and found it 
annoying that Indesign would produce a valid PDF right away whereas with 
FrameMaker I have to correct all PDFs in Acrobat to produce PDF/X3 with color 
profile and valid bleed box.
And as transparency is not fully supported via the Distiller engine, the actual 
PDF/X4 format cannot be produced (the favorite format for one of our printing 
service companies).

So finally, I came to think that not FrameMaker, but Indesign may have one of 
the best "print engines" - at least more flexible and more up to date than 
FrameMaker's.

Best regards -

Tino H. Haida, Berlin



Rick Quatro:

Here is my suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor
where the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles
would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a full
copy of FrameMaker could be used as "print engine". You would set up a
structured application in full FrameMaker, and import the XML for print,
etc.

The reasons I favor this approach:

1) FrameMaker is currently the best "print engine" on the market for
producing high-quality print/PDF output.

2) With a light-weight editor, you would only need one copy of FrameMaker
for output. The rest of the writers/editors could use the light-weight
editor.

3) You could easily exchange content with users of other XML editors as long
as everyone is using the same schema.

4) This is a realistic "first step" to a FrameMaker replacement. Anything
more complex may be too ambitious and not get too far.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com

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Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

2013-05-14 Thread MikeyShine
Kristy let me know if you'd rather op for FM version 10. I can get you a copy.



On May 14, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Kristy Nolan  wrote:

> Hi, guys!
> 
> Thanks for the input! Update is that I have downloaded and installed Service 
> Pack 3 for my Windows XP, deleted all previous attempts at downloading Frame, 
> and re-downloaded the trial using Firefox. I made sure i was strictly on a 
> Windows side (no coherence). Result is still no Frame. I tried to ask the 
> online support at Adobe, but he took way too long to respond (and had to 
> catch a flight).
> 
> I'll try again when I get back home (even though my trial clock is ticking). 
> Making it hard to rationalize the idea of purchasing this on my own dime. As 
> much as I love Frame, I may have to move to a different paradigm.
> 
> Truly appreciate all the input!
> 
> Kristy
> 
> Kristy Nolan
> Central Pubs - Flight Ops
> 
> On May 14, 2013, at 8:58 PM, "MikeyShine"  wrote:
> 
>> Good call Jeff I had just assumed she downloaded it though the virtual 
>> machine but I can def see where this could create a potential issue!
>> 
>> 
>> On May 13, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Jeff Coatsworth > jonassoftware.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> What browser are you using to download it? You probably should use Firefox 
>>> from within the Windows virtual machine ? I think Adobe is using 7Zip to 
>>> compress the files, so under WinXP you?ll need to install that to unzip it 
>>> (IIRC).
>>>  
>>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>>> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan
>>> Sent: May-13-13 4:47 PM
>>> To: FrameUsers List
>>> Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
>>>  
>>> Hi, all-
>>>  
>>> Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it 
>>> to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, 
>>> so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version 
>>> and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% 
>>> complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from 
>>> the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I?ve 
>>> tried moving all the files to an Explorer window.
>>> 
>>> Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New 
>>> Mac, Windows XP.
>>>  
>>> Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.
>>>  
>>> Thanks!
>>> Kristy
>>>  
>>>  
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FM10 help broken?

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/10.0/Using/framemaker_10_help.pdf

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Gillian Flato
 wrote:
> How do you download the help as a PDF?


Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
MadCap's original impetus was to create a successor to RoboHelp, which
at the time looked like it had been abandoned by its then-owner
Macromedia.

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Gillian Flato
 wrote:
> Isn't that what MadCap tried to do?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
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> To: craigede at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
>
> I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's 
> with me? Anyone? Anyone?